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#1 Nov 19 2010 at 5:36 PM Rating: Good
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Your limonite/salt cod/straw/bone ring/shard/paper plate filled retainers,

Get them the **** out of the Battlecraft ward.

Just because it's the first ward, doesn't mean you should put everything there, if we are there, we are looking for weapons, not your stupid rock/stick/grass/waffles.

Edited, Nov 19th 2010 3:40pm by RamseySylph
#2 Nov 19 2010 at 5:48 PM Rating: Good
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What if the one weapon in that bazaar has already been sold and only the other stuff remains?
#3 Nov 19 2010 at 5:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Rinsui wrote:
What if the one weapon in that bazaar has already been sold and only the other stuff remains?


This is not what I am talking about, I'm talking about obvious miss-use of the ward, people with full bazaars of non-weapon crap, check any Battlecraft Ward, in any city, at least on Lindblum - 8/10 retainers never had a weapon on them, or had maybe had an arrow and 9 materials. It takes about 30 minutes just to go through one ward due to the amount of chafe. Happy Friday though, or frustrating Friday, as is my case.
#4 Nov 19 2010 at 5:57 PM Rating: Excellent
It will be interesting to see how the search feature possibly changes this. I do tend to agree though. Just NPC that marmot meat, people.
#5 Nov 19 2010 at 6:16 PM Rating: Decent
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RamseySylph wrote:
Your limonite/salt cod/straw/bone ring/shard/paper plate filled retainers,

Get them the **** out of the Battlecraft ward.

Just because it's the first ward, doesn't mean you should put everything there, if we are there, we are looking for weapons, not your stupid rock/stick/grass/waffles.


Funny how people have all that stuff in the Battlecraft Ward. You'd think that it was best place to put your retainer to get your stuff sold! You'd think people actually buy the stuff! You'd think its SE's fault for implementing such a retarded scheme that makes Battlecraft the best place to sell your crap! You'd be right!!
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#6 Nov 19 2010 at 6:25 PM Rating: Good
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For what it is worth, I place my retainer in the ward of which she has the highest gil item for sale. I whip up a batch of blinding daggers she goes in battle ward. I price them low to blow them out so I can put up more and continue my crack, I'm sorry, craft habit.

Without fail on an overnight bazaar in battlecraft I will sell 50% of my 'crap' (thats 5 of 10 bazaar slots for you math impaired) compared to 2 or 3 slots if she is in the correct ward (plus my daggers sell as well).

Do I just drop my girl in battlecraft for this reason? No. I agree with the OP. As a buyer I would like to see materials properly placed so I can find them. However, it does not change the fact that I will sell out overnight of junk if I put her in BC

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#7 Nov 19 2010 at 6:28 PM Rating: Good
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rikkuotaku wrote:
RamseySylph wrote:
Your limonite/salt cod/straw/bone ring/shard/paper plate filled retainers,

Get them the **** out of the Battlecraft ward.

Just because it's the first ward, doesn't mean you should put everything there, if we are there, we are looking for weapons, not your stupid rock/stick/grass/waffles.


Funny how people have all that stuff in the Battlecraft Ward. You'd think that it was best place to put your retainer to get your stuff sold! You'd think people actually buy the stuff! You'd think its SE's fault for implementing such a retarded scheme that makes Battlecraft the best place to sell your crap! You'd be right!!


If any crafter goes looking for Limonite/Paper Plates/Waffle Irons they're smart enough to go to the Chirugeron's/Ironmongers/Woodcutters Ward (not respectively, obviously), trust me if you're trying to move a lot of random crap you'll sell it better in the proper ward. I'm not complaining about people having leftovers there, I'm talking about the 8/10 people who have absolutely no weapons and never did.

No - it's not the best place to sell anything, the system isn't broken, the people who miss use it are.

Edited, Nov 19th 2010 4:29pm by RamseySylph
#8 Nov 19 2010 at 6:51 PM Rating: Decent
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There are two things here - design, and incentive.

The design of the wards is to allow a player the option of placing their retainer in any ward, there is just now some incentive to place them in certain places over others. However, if there is more perceived incentive to place items for sale in an unrelated ward (convenience, faster turn-around, etc.), than there is to place items in their respective wards (reduced taxes), then items will be placed in the unrelated ward.

Yes, it is inconvenient for the buyer at times, but I can't fault sellers for using the market ward the way it was designed, and to their best perceived advantage.
#9 Nov 19 2010 at 7:50 PM Rating: Default
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RamseySylph wrote:

No - it's not the best place to sell anything, the system isn't broken, the people who miss use it are.


The system is clearly broken and that's what SE, thankfully, is going to try and fix it. I imagine it will take them several times, but don't fool yourself into thinking the present situation is any kind of 'solution'.
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#10 Nov 19 2010 at 8:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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rikkuotaku wrote:
RamseySylph wrote:

No - it's not the best place to sell anything, the system isn't broken, the people who miss use it are.


The system is clearly broken and that's what SE, thankfully, is going to try and fix it. I imagine it will take them several times, but don't fool yourself into thinking the present situation is any kind of 'solution'.


I'm not implying it's perfect, but it works at least to a degree with most wards - barring Battlecraft - everywhere else, you can go and find something you want, or at least similar things.

Placing all of your random crap in Battlecraft is not a better idea, it is not helping improve the experience for anyone. The perceived value of "my limonite sells faster here than in Ironmongers" is bull crap, I would bet most things except perhaps crystals, (is there a crystal ward?) and weapons sell slower in the Battlecraft ward than most other places. It's just easier for the tl;dr crowd to click the first option because they're too lazy to understand the concept and drop everything in the first ward they see. The first ward should be "Garbage Ward," +10% sales tax on all items for failing to read.

Edited, Nov 19th 2010 6:46pm by RamseySylph
#11 Nov 19 2010 at 8:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Lol, thanks Ramsey. :D
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#12 Nov 20 2010 at 2:55 AM Rating: Good
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I feel the OP's rant
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#14 Nov 20 2010 at 2:58 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know about the increased tax but it would probably do worlds of good to have the first ward a miscellaneous, junk, randomness, ect. Type ward
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Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
It will be interesting to see how the search feature possibly changes this. I do tend to agree though. Just NPC that marmot meat, people.


I go one better, actually.

Until they get the retainers and market system up to snuff, I NPC everything but crystals/shards.

Those I only sell on my bazaar while I'm playing.

Lot of good stuff I could have sold for good gil. But not wanting to mess with the hassle of the current system along with my utter refusal to leave my PC on all day/night just to sell crap from my bazaar AFK has made me decide the most efficient and expedient way of clearing my inventory is to simply vendor everything so I can get back to the game.
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I don't buy anything, even if it's cheap and I want it, if it's obvious the person selling it is just stuck his retainer in Battlecraft Ward to sell random junk.

I'm a little more lenient if they have maybe 3 non-ward items for sale and the rest in empty... Maybe they had weapons, I don't know.

I go the extra step and put my stuff up for sale in the appropriate wards. Yes, it takes a little longer but I fell better that if someone's actually looking for something I might have helped a little.
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First, I agree wholeheartedly with the OP. Secondly, if SE would just swap the churigans ward or hunters ward with the battlecraft ward, I'd be 100% ok with what these douchebags who can't read are doing.


...sorry if I offended anyone, but the actions of these idiots **** me off to no end. So many people complain about the broken wards; a lot of those very same people are the ones making the system worse than it has to be.
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#18 Nov 20 2010 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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Zorvan wrote:
Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
It will be interesting to see how the search feature possibly changes this. I do tend to agree though. Just NPC that marmot meat, people.


I go one better, actually.

Until they get the retainers and market system up to snuff, I NPC everything but crystals/shards.

Those I only sell on my bazaar while I'm playing.

Lot of good stuff I could have sold for good gil. But not wanting to mess with the hassle of the current system along with my utter refusal to leave my PC on all day/night just to sell crap from my bazaar AFK has made me decide the most efficient and expedient way of clearing my inventory is to simply vendor everything so I can get back to the game.


I agree it could use some improvement, but it's really not as god awful as you're making it out to be. If you have an item/items that actually sell well (mind you, they sell well... People, you still need to know what the going price of an item is, or whether it's in demand, the only thing that's slightly harder to figure out is the going price, and there are enough websites to help you with that) and you place them up in the proper ward for a decent price, you're going to move that product.

It doesn't actually take any longer to run to the market ward and place the items on sale on your retainer than it would to place them on sale on an Auction House, on the Auction House they might sell marginally faster, but you are being saved from the incessant undercutting. This post isn't about Auction House vs Market Wards though, I don't care if you wanted a croissant for breakfast, we all got cereal, nothings going to change that, especially not you taking a **** in it.
#19 Nov 20 2010 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
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The first ward on the list should have been made a Miscellaneous Ward--end of story, end of discussion. You can not fault the community for correcting SE's boneheaded mistakes.
#20 Nov 20 2010 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
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...nothings going to change that, especially not you taking a **** in it.


Too funny.
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#21 Nov 20 2010 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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Zorvan wrote:
Those I only sell on my bazaar while I'm playing.

Lot of good stuff I could have sold for good gil. But not wanting to mess with the hassle of the current system along with my utter refusal to leave my PC on all day/night just to sell crap from my bazaar AFK


The stuff on your retainer sells when you shut down your computer. It's server-side. I've logged on many times to set up my NPC, logged off and came back 2 days later to him only having one item left on bazaar.

So no worries. Your bazaar, on retainer, will sell if you shut down the PC.
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#22 Nov 20 2010 at 2:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Personally I stick to my guns and don't buy things that are obviously and intentionally in the wrong ward, even if it's a good price and I need it.

There are exceptions, like the chimichanga ward or whatever it's called. Whatever the goldsmith one is. For instance: technically bone shards, soiled femurs, wind rocks etc should be in other wards, but considering the amount of goldsmith recipes and repair that require them it's perfectly understandable to have them there.

That being said, I have since taken up every crafting skill because I can never find what I need.

Edited, Nov 20th 2010 3:38pm by BullMagnus

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#23 Nov 20 2010 at 9:33 PM Rating: Decent
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RamseySylph wrote:
Zorvan wrote:
Osarion, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
It will be interesting to see how the search feature possibly changes this. I do tend to agree though. Just NPC that marmot meat, people.


I go one better, actually.

Until they get the retainers and market system up to snuff, I NPC everything but crystals/shards.

Those I only sell on my bazaar while I'm playing.

Lot of good stuff I could have sold for good gil. But not wanting to mess with the hassle of the current system along with my utter refusal to leave my PC on all day/night just to sell crap from my bazaar AFK has made me decide the most efficient and expedient way of clearing my inventory is to simply vendor everything so I can get back to the game.


I agree it could use some improvement, but it's really not as god awful as you're making it out to be. If you have an item/items that actually sell well (mind you, they sell well... People, you still need to know what the going price of an item is, or whether it's in demand, the only thing that's slightly harder to figure out is the going price, and there are enough websites to help you with that) and you place them up in the proper ward for a decent price, you're going to move that product.

It doesn't actually take any longer to run to the market ward and place the items on sale on your retainer than it would to place them on sale on an Auction House, on the Auction House they might sell marginally faster, but you are being saved from the incessant undercutting. This post isn't about Auction House vs Market Wards though, I don't care if you wanted a croissant for breakfast, we all got cereal, nothings going to change that, especially not you taking a **** in it.
Yes. Yes it is. When your entire market system is based on blindly going from NPC to NPC, hundreds of times only in the hopes of finding the item you're looking for, which actually may not be there at all and you just wasted an hour+ looking through NPCs selling salt and bamboo sticks, it is as god awful as people make it seem, if not more.

Know what else would solve people selling stuff in the wrong ward? Search function. That way you don't waste hours a week(which could be spent advancing your character and, you know... having fun) going through people selling all this crap you don't need.

Yes it's bad practice to sell in the wrong ward, but what's even worse practice is developing a system with such painfully obvious flaws in it.
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RamseySylph wrote:
The first ward should be "Garbage Ward," +10% sales tax on all items for failing to read.


I second this.
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Maybe they were thinking FF fans would have a little more self discipline than your average MMO...
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RamseySylph wrote:
Your limonite/salt cod/straw/bone ring/shard/paper plate filled retainers,

Get them the **** out of the Battlecraft ward.

Just because it's the first ward, doesn't mean you should put everything there, if we are there, we are looking for weapons, not your stupid rock/stick/grass/waffles.

YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH ABOUT MY DELICIOUS WAFFLES!

Just kidding, man. I miss seein' you guys from Gigglesnorts in FFXI.
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#27 Nov 21 2010 at 12:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Wrds are a good idea, and are getting better. People misusing it is killing it off. SE didn't make a mistake on adding them. It would be a mistake if they didn't. They learned the wards from ffxi. So bazaars would have a set place. instead of over crowding the towns with bazaars. And made retainers for those who can't leave their ps3/ pc running.
The wards are working, just no one is working with the wards. Don;t over crowd a location try to be neat in placement. Sell stuff in the correct wards. And if you got 1 weapon and 5 stacks of meat. Just vender the weapon and sell meat on your retainer.
All SE dod was make the wards, its the communities job to run it. So really don;t blame SE for your faults. :)
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#28 Nov 25 2010 at 5:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Totally agree with the OP.

From last week I've been trying to put my retainer full of weapons for sale in the Battlecraft ward where it suppose to go. Unfortunately, the Battlecraft ward are always full of those retainers selling junks and no more slot for me to place my retainer in there. Therefore, I'm kinda forced to place my retainer in other ward, which i refuse to, since I'm against the idea of putting my retainer in the wrong ward. (I have a lot of trouble about those retainers in the wrong ward and simply don't want to be a part of that problem) Until today, every single piece of those weapon is still there in my retainer bazaar. (well... I guess, no good deed goes unpunished)

Personally, I think market ward concept is not that bad, but clearly, it's an interesting idea with bad execution. For SE to believe that all player will co-operate and put they things in the rightward is just too naive. Since there're always be plenty of people who just lazy/don't care/don't know.

To make the market ward work like it intended to be, SE should be more aggressive toward the seller who put retainer where it don't belong. Because obviously people don't really care about that little amount of tax they lose as long as they got their junks off their inventory with some gil return.

In my opinion, SE should make the first ward a 'Junk Ward' like some previous post suggested and the item that place in the wrong ward should get severe punishment. Something like 80-90% tax! or in other word they'll lose their items for close to nothing in return. Or may be make the price of the item in the wrong ward drop automatically to very low price (like 1 gil >_<) regardless of what price the seller key in, then the first person who see those item will pull it off the shelf and get some item that's 1 gil worth as reward for help clearing the ward. That they may then use the item, put it on sale in the right ward or even sell to NPC to make some money.

I know that it sound a bit extreme, but I think that'll definitely solve the problem.

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implement search function within the ward and allow employment of multiple retainer.
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As of yet, I have never found what I am looking for in the correct Ward... although I have found things that I did buy just because it was something I would need in a Rank or two. Mostly clothing items, still have not found any tools or weapons that I need. Lift would be so much easier if the stuff for Rank 14 did not require Rank 25 crafting.

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I also dismiss any Retain with the name "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" or such.

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I can't believe how many people use the Wards incorrectly. Especially after the complaint about them, then SE organizes it for us and still, no one uses them right. Putting your retainer in the first ward no matter what it is selling is not going to sell your stuff faster. It does not mean more people will see it(if they can even find it in that mess). All it does is make the ward unbearable and people give up after checking a few retainers.

These wards would be so much easier if all I would have to do to find a helmet is to go to the Hatters ward. But no, there is like 2 retainers in there selling crystals and everyone else selling helmets are in the battlecraft wards. I believe your stuff would sell much faster if they were in the correct ward. This stuff should be easy to find, which it isn't in the Battlecraft ward when only 2% of the people there are using it for the right gear/items.
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I read all the posts here and agree with most people, what I do miss do is this suggestion : The stick ! Were talking about carrots when people pay less for selling the correct item. I would like to implement the stick : Just make it impossible to sell anything not belonging to that ward.

Yesterday I spend 4,5 hours finding a dodo field belt on Karnak. I looked into all 3 cities wards and the right ward for this jeweler's but these were close to abandend. And interesting enough no one in any of the 3 cities was in here selling ANY items appropriate to that ward. So I spend all my time going through battle craft wards not finding a single dodo field belt.

Like some other poster suggested, please people NPC all those gridanian walnuts, marmot meats etc etc. And yes if you have 5 diiferent items to sell all belonging to different wards you will have to make a choice, what item do I want sold the most..... SE says they use the ward system to improve crafting and benefit crafters. If you need to make a certain item to levelup you won't make just one or two.

Oh and SE if you would pick up on this , please auto disconnect retainers that are empty....and make players bazaars that happen to be or stand there also accesible in the same fashion.

Although I would prefer a AH I do applaude you for trying to make something new, but please make this a bit more accesable for us.
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