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#302 Nov 24 2010 at 11:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Apparently Irishclass777 didn't understand what I meant in my PM and my post about not posting in this thread anymore.
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Oh really! hah, so he was PMing you too? Nice. I love it when they try to play multiple admin roulette.
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#304 Nov 24 2010 at 7:33 PM Rating: Default
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You mean...it's finally over? No one else is gonna try to convince someone who doesn't even play FFXIV that their perceived reality is really all just a dream within a dream within a dream?

Don't let the terrorists win!

Taruly yours,
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#305 Nov 26 2010 at 12:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Pikko wrote:
Apparently Irishclass777 didn't understand what I meant in my PM and my post about not posting in this thread anymore.


Mejiro wrote:
You mean...it's finally over? No one else is gonna try to convince someone who doesn't even play FFXIV that their perceived reality is really all just a dream within a dream within a dream?

Don't let the terrorists win!

Taruly yours,
Mejiro


So here we go
Having the same old fight again
There she goes
Same old game that never ends If I could say
The right words
I know I could make you stay
If I could say
The right words
Things would work out all right

And if you go
I won‘t believe
That it‘s forever

And you can go
But I‘ll never leave
Cause it‘s not over


Edited, Nov 26th 2010 2:07am by MisterRandy
#306 Nov 26 2010 at 2:44 AM Rating: Default
on topic: OP thank you for that post. When i play this game I'd do some crafting to help others out.
Off topic: @ other posters: i think you guys were to harsh. Just because they didn't get what you guys were saying, don't mean you can make personal attacks. But all and all everyone is entited to their opinion.
@ the mods... I think you guys should step down, from what i See that person PM you having issues with said posters. And you bring those PM here. Aren't mods suppose to be unbais or don't take sides? Bringing in those PM an imature move. And from what I gather. said person didn't start anything it was everyone else. But i digress.
Back on topic: What is the typical repair fee? I want to know before joining. So I know what to charge and ask for when i need it.
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#307 Nov 26 2010 at 2:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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KekkaishiDarkness13 wrote:
on topic: OP thank you for that post. When i play this game I'd do some crafting to help others out.
Off topic: @ other posters: i think you guys were to harsh. Just because they didn't get what you guys were saying, don't mean you can make personal attacks. But all and all everyone is entited to their opinion.
@ the mods... I think you guys should step down, from what i See that person PM you having issues with said posters. And you bring those PM here. Aren't mods suppose to be unbais or don't take sides? Bringing in those PM an imature move. And from what I gather. said person didn't start anything it was everyone else. But i digress.
Back on topic: What is the typical repair fee? I want to know before joining. So I know what to charge and ask for when i need it.


I smell.....

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.......sock?
#308 Nov 26 2010 at 2:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Welcome back Irish
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#309 Nov 26 2010 at 2:58 AM Rating: Decent
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And a pretty stinking one at that.
#310 Nov 26 2010 at 3:05 AM Rating: Default
A sock you say? Maybe you should clean your house.
Kidding, but really what is a sock? I'm new to these forum things, I only found out about this one from kids I look after. I'm a nanny, I was somewhat shocked to what I found here. That is why I said something. I'm not trying to pick a fight, just saying something from observation. I see the type of fighting all the time with first graders. the "I'm smarter then you" fights.
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#311 Nov 26 2010 at 3:06 AM Rating: Decent
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again why should I pay for repairs, when i did most of the work to get it repaired, all you are doing is providing the skill I lack. How bout this DO NOT BE GREEDY.
You guys will make money MAKING items. repairing is more or less a side skill. I love you you guys think its unfair. When you guys are the ones being unfair. With the carpenter. If you give him the wood all you do is pay for labor. Which based on how long, its about a week. And because he is physically doing stuff that can be dangerous. there is no danger in item repair.
And like i said if i am not providing you the mats you do get payed for the price of said mats. That is due to you are doing more work then myself.


Since, as you claim, you have already done all the 'hard work', then it's no trouble to fix it yourself. Right?
Here's how this works:

1. Some people are trying to level up and will do it for free.

2. The worth of someone else's time and effort is up to them, not you, to determine.

3. If you don't want to pay, you have the following options:
- Find someone else (good luck with that).
- Pay the NPC a pile of Gil and deal with the lower repair value.
- Level the craft & do it yourself.
- Get used to busted Gear.
- Buy a new one.

Most people aren't going to be very willing to help when you come up and DEMAND that they do you a FAVOR. In fact, you're going to have better luck Begging for help than demanding it.
I personally charge 100gil per level of the item as a baseline (assuming mats supplied), if I'm in town or one of the "noob" camps. The price goes up the further away I get.

But if the person is a Jerk, I'll just tell them "Hey, with that kind of attitude I'm not gonna help you for ANY amount of money".
#312 Nov 26 2010 at 5:04 AM Rating: Good
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on topic: OP thank you for that post. When i play this game I'd do some crafting to help others out.
Off topic: @ other posters: i think you guys were to harsh. Just because they didn't get what you guys were saying, don't mean you can make personal attacks. But all and all everyone is entited to their opinion.
@ the mods... I think you guys should step down, from what i See that person PM you having issues with said posters. And you bring those PM here. Aren't mods suppose to be unbais or don't take sides? Bringing in those PM an imature move. And from what I gather. said person didn't start anything it was everyone else. But i digress.
Back on topic: What is the typical repair fee? I want to know before joining. So I know what to charge and ask for when i need it.


KekkaishiDarkness13 wrote:
A sock you say? Maybe you should clean your house.
Kidding, but really what is a sock? I'm new to these forum things, I only found out about this one from kids I look after. I'm a nanny, I was somewhat shocked to what I found here. That is why I said something. I'm not trying to pick a fight, just saying something from observation. I see the type of fighting all the time with first graders. the "I'm smarter then you" fights.


Someone mind comparing the two posts here for me please? Hope I'm not the only one here who suddenly noticed it...

Anyway can't believe this topic is going on this long. But since we're talking about crafting and such here I'm going to ask a question:

Seeing as I no longer play my other character I've been focusing on a character that I play as an Archer. Lately I've had no real luck finding any actual bows so I'm now looking to craft and start making my own. That said, I'm also wondering as to what crafts I should probably pick up with it. Woodworking is a given but what other crafts might an Archer benefit from most? Thanks in advance.

Edited, Nov 26th 2010 3:07am by SamusKnight
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#313 Nov 26 2010 at 6:00 AM Rating: Good
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KekkaishiDarkness13 wrote:
A sock you say? Maybe you should clean your house.
Kidding, but really what is a sock? I'm new to these forum things, I only found out about this one from kids I look after. I'm a nanny, I was somewhat shocked to what I found here. That is why I said something. I'm not trying to pick a fight, just saying something from observation. I see the type of fighting all the time with first graders. the "I'm smarter then you" fights.


Hi irish. You doing well? Good good! Why the new name? Oh mods band you last one? Good Good Good. Well hope you have a good one!
#314 Nov 26 2010 at 6:25 AM Rating: Good
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Sir SamusKnight wrote:
Seeing as I no longer play my other character I've been focusing on a character that I play as an Archer. Lately I've had no real luck finding any actual bows so I'm now looking to craft and start making my own. That said, I'm also wondering as to what crafts I should probably pick up with it. Woodworking is a given but what other crafts might an Archer benefit from most? Thanks in advance.


All depends on how self-sufficient you intend to be on it I guess. 1st of all the r8 maple longbow can be purchased from NPC in Gridania and you can often find them cheaper in bazaars. I used that one for a long time.

Some others who are actually doing archer and being self-sufficient can answer in much better detail, but it looks like mostly Goldsmith with some Blacksmith on the arrowheads. Weaver for fletchings & bowstrings. Alchemy for the glues. Certain bows use BSM/ARM/GS mats like rivets & squares, etc. Seems like you could get away with just buying a good bit of those smaller mats instead of crafting them all on your own. All on how you wanna go about it...

For any craft one suggestion I always give is to level Alchemy to 10 for the Preserve ability. Quite handy. And then perhaps take it further into the teens so you can break your own crystals into shards.

Edited, Nov 26th 2010 7:31am by TwistedOwl
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#315 Nov 26 2010 at 11:35 AM Rating: Decent
How about focus on what I said, rather then whom I'm not. I'm a nanny, and I dislike seeing people be crude to each other. I feel it isn't needed. I just stated I like and thank the OP for making the post. It was well writen, and easy to read for anyone. I also asked a simple question, so when I play I know how much to keep on me when I need repairs. Does that call for a witch hunt? No nothing does.

Edited, Nov 26th 2010 12:37pm by KekkaishiDarkness13
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#316 Nov 26 2010 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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ZOMG... can you drink water when doing that?

Okay, but seriously...

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I also asked a simple question, so when I play I know how much to keep on me when I need repairs


This really is going to vary wildly depending on how you get your repairs and the level of your gear...
Low level gear = cheap
High level gear = expensive
Repairs from players w/mats = very reasonable
Repairs from players w/o mats = reasonable
Repairs from NPC = bend over, he'll let you know when he's done. :P

Sincerely,
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#317 Nov 26 2010 at 12:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the info. And LOL at the npc repairs part. How much will that hurt my backside, just asking incase I find no crafter to help?
And thats pretty good. I'm a very good tipper. And infact I tend to give out stuff for free if others need it. I only keep enough in game money, for me to survive in game. So to the crafters, try to free up your time for me. You will be rewarded greatly when I come to play when the ps3 version is out.
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#318 Nov 26 2010 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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There is another thread someone started to talk about this because this one got out of hand. Can we have a lock on this one please because I'm sure it wont end
#319 Nov 26 2010 at 12:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Sorry, but there is no typical charge; it's whatever the player asks.
That can range from the cost of materials all the way up to what an
NPC charges. It will all depend upon who's playing when you're on.

The crudeness that you are referring to was due to the fact that
irishclass777 was of the opinion that by throwing mats at a crafter
and demanding repairs she was doing the crafter a favor. She would
not budge on that point. She viewed supplying mats as payment
while crafters disagreed. No crafters are obliged to repair any gear
for another player; her insistence to the contrary set some people off.
Talking to a brick wall has that effect on people sometimes. People
were throwing up their hands in frustration.

Play the game; see who you run into and go from there. The game is an
adventure, is it not?
#320 Nov 26 2010 at 1:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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The crudeness that you are referring to was due to the fact that
irishclass777 was of the opinion that by throwing mats at a crafter
and demanding repairs she was doing the crafter a favor. She would
not budge on that point. She viewed supplying mats as payment
while crafters disagreed. No crafters are obliged to repair any gear
for another player; her insistence to the contrary set some people off.
Talking to a brick wall has that effect on people sometimes. People
were throwing up their hands in frustration.



Actually I think that was another poster as Irish had mentioned in several other threads that he has never even played the game.

Interesting that this thread has gone to 7 pages, and nearly half of the posts are all by someone who has never even played the game, defending things he knows nothing about.

I second the motion for a lock.
#321 Nov 26 2010 at 1:37 PM Rating: Default
I don't play the game, never gave my opinon on the game. Gave my opinion based on what was said and done. And I think from all sides Irish included, it could have been handled better.
From what i can tell, yes you are correct irish demaned stuff for "free" but you guys also demaned payment. I think this is what set eveything off no one wanted to find a middle ground. I pretty much don't care. I just had a nanny moment that is all. The only on topic opinion i gave was a thank you and asked a question. And now saying I am greatful for the replays to my question. When i do play I'll be sure to have enough gil and supplies to reward who i as to repair my gear. :) good work should always be rewarded. I vote to keep thread open if other posters are willing to stay on topic or add to what op had stated. Like how much they charge for repairs and what server. That would be some helpful info.
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#322 Nov 26 2010 at 2:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm irish777's sockpuppet.


The next one results in a call to your ISP to have your account shut off for violation of the spamming clause of your terms of service.

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#323 Nov 26 2010 at 4:40 PM Rating: Default
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
KekkaishiDarkness13 wrote:
I'm irish777's sockpuppet.


The next one results in a call to your ISP to have your account shut off for violation of the spamming clause of your terms of service.

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LOL!
#324 Nov 26 2010 at 10:28 PM Rating: Good
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
KekkaishiDarkness13 wrote:
I'm irish777's sockpuppet.


The next one results in a call to your ISP to have your account shut off for violation of the spamming clause of your terms of service.

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None shall feel the rage more potent than an admin's! Sorry you guys gotta deal with this kinda stuff, isn't right...

To the one who answered my question thanks for the info, I considered it and actually may just use one character dedicated to DoW, and use another as purely DoH and DoL. Once SE introduces retainers I can toss my gear that needs to be repaired on a retainer, have my crafting alt repair it, then return to my main character. I think it'll work best for me as I'm always leveling a craft then end up stopping halfway thru to do something else. If I actually dedicate one character to do specifically this then maybe I can keep myself on track and make progress. And as always, thanks for the advice!
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