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#1 Nov 22 2010 at 4:46 AM Rating: Default
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So! I joined a skill point part with jp players. They told me in ( ) what camp they're at so i ran there. I got there and was asked if i could speak jp. Of course I responded no and then was ousted from the party. Wow really? Why would jp players play on a na server and oust na players. Especially after I had been responding in ( ) which is a good sign I don't speak jp. Made me run all the way there just to rub it in I suppose. It's getting better by the second.
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So! I joined a skill point part with jp players. They told me in ( ) what camp they're at so i ran there. I got there and was asked if i could speak jp. Of course I responded no and then was ousted from the party. Wow really? Why would jp players play on a na server and oust na players. Especially after I had been responding in ( ) which is a good sign I don't speak jp. Made me run all the way there just to rub it in I suppose. It's getting better by the second.


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#3 Nov 22 2010 at 4:50 AM Rating: Good
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i didnt thin kthere was such thing as a NA server... they are all hosted in Japan.
Although i agree the need to speak JP is a bit harsh as everything i have done in game has required 0 communication
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There are no designated NA servers. As for what they did to you yeah I would be angry too and I don't agree with making you come out and then asking if you were jp with the intent if you were not that you would be ousted. They should have asked you first before making you come out.

Edited, Nov 22nd 2010 5:52am by MrStyles
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#5dethbysnusnu, Posted: Nov 22 2010 at 4:55 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Thanks for the reply :D. Seeing if all servers are based in jp that would make more sense as to why I'd be ousted. thanks :)
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Why would jp players play on a na server and oust na players.


Didn't know there was a NA server. What's it called? "George Bush Camp Clueless"?

Seems like they weren't too bright not to realize you used autotranslate. In my
LS, it often is my (very questionable) task to politely turn down people who want
to join our LS only / JP only party. I don't like doing it, but better me politely
than anyone else via autotrans.

Why I stick to a xenophobic LS, you ask? Because I know those guys from closed beta,
and really like playing with them. I actually did invite two NA players not shortly
after launch. Ended with one of them leaving and calling us "f*cking ricecakes".

The reason: He spammed comments in suburban slang (which most of us didn't understand),
went ahead and started killing random mobs. By the time I tried to make him understand
we actually had a plan for effective fighting, it was too late (I had to translate in
two directions).

At that point I realized that, from the exclusive standpoint of efficiency, the game at
it's current state/level range favours a well-rounded experienced 13-man/woman Japanese
party over a 15-man/woman mixed mob.

Personally I don't mind whom I party with; be it black, white or green (the latter of which
I have a certain preference for). But I fully understand those of my LS who aren't as fluent
in English as I am.
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I work a lot of second shift, so I tend to play through the night when I get off work.

It is a little harder to find parties, but I enjoy trying to communicate. I think its really cool that I can share something with someone half the world away and we don't even speak the same language.

Take last night for example. I was in this party and we were pounding the crap out of bones in Nanawa Mines for like 3 hours. They're all chatting away, and I just follow along. At the end of the night I get 4 of the 6 other players in party chat.

<Good night!>
<Conjurer><Good job>
( =w=)<Conjurer>
and another something like that.

It can be difficult, but when it works out, its so worth it.
Though, I'm sure if a japanese conjurer had been available, I wouldn't have been invited.

I mean, if you had a choice between a party member you can communicate and work with, and a party member
that you'd just have to trust knew how to do its job with zero direction.... which would you choose?

I don't get too angry about it. I understand why they do it. I tend to level DoH, DoL at night, and DoM on the weekends.
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#8 Nov 22 2010 at 5:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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dethbysnusnu wrote:
Thanks for the reply :D. Seeing if all servers are based in jp that would make more sense as to why I'd be ousted. thanks :)


Nah, still doesn't make any sense. All servers are world wide not Japanese only. They should have let you know beforehand that they wanted a Japanese player to join them. It's the polite thing to do.
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Although i agree the need to speak JP is a bit harsh as everything i have done in game has required 0 communication


That's what I meant with "15-man/woman mixed mob" ;)

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Nah, still doesn't make any sense. All servers are world wide not Japanese only. They should have let you know beforehand that they wanted a Japanese player to join them. It's the polite thing to do.


Well, for me his story sounds a little like "I joined some PT and didn't bother to read the comments stating it's a JP party and didn't contact the PT leader beforehand either"...?

Edited, Nov 22nd 2010 6:05am by Rinsui
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Didn't know there was a NA server. What's it called? "George Bush Camp Clueless"?


LOL ^.^
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Didn't know there was a NA server. What's it called? "George Bush Camp Clueless"?

LOL ^.^


Couldn't resist. That guy really is a stain on your history.
On the other hand, our prime ministers are replaced faster than underwear.
I actually forgot who was in charge before the current one >.>/

Edited, Nov 22nd 2010 6:08am by Rinsui
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our prime ministers are replaced faster than underwear.


You don't happen to be living in Thailand, do you? >.>
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#13 Nov 22 2010 at 5:38 AM Rating: Decent
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On the other hand, our prime ministers are replaced faster than underwear.
I actually forgot who was in charge before the current one >.>/


Well we're due for another one next week so I wouldn't worry about it.
#14 Nov 22 2010 at 5:39 AM Rating: Excellent
If you get invited to a JP party, and are rude, even if you don't think you are being rude, you will get ousted. A little politeness goes a long way.
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does bowing count as being rude >.>
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depends if you got the bow height correct or not...
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I like grouping with the japanese players. I rarely meet rude ones. Unlike the english players. I think what gets on ppl nerves is jp are really NOT racist. Its the english being racist to the japanese. I lost count how many times I'd see a rude comment about jp only. its about communication. They like talking and having fun in groups as much as we do.

like earlier i was on ffxi. Doing my first weapon trial thing. I had to kill 50 skele on any weather. I get there and I see a player attacking the skele. I try to find other places to leave him be. And found a spot. Then he came into my spot. I figure i may as well tell him i need skele for my trail. I asked english and he said nope japanese. i said << skele weapon break. And he then invite me to a party and helps me out. :) I thanked him and got some pretty cute "team work" pics. and thanked him for the help.
like ppl say lil kindness goes a long way.
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I like grouping with the japanese players. I rarely meet rude ones. Unlike the english players. I think what gets on ppl nerves is jp are really NOT racist. Its the english being racist to the japanese. I lost count how many times I'd see a rude comment about jp only. its about communication. They like talking and having fun in groups as much as we do.

like earlier i was on ffxi. Doing my first weapon trial thing. I had to kill 50 skele on any weather. I get there and I see a player attacking the skele. I try to find other places to leave him be. And found a spot. Then he came into my spot. I figure i may as well tell him i need skele for my trail. I asked english and he said nope japanese. i said << skele weapon break. And he then invite me to a party and helps me out. :) I thanked him and got some pretty cute "team work" pics. and thanked him for the help.
like ppl say lil kindness goes a long way.


Sadly not all of them are like that though. :(
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There are no designated NA servers. As for what they did to you yeah I would be angry too and I don't agree with making you come out and then asking if you were jp with the intent if you were not that you would be ousted. They should have asked you first before making you come out.

Edited, Nov 22nd 2010 5:52am by MrStyles


I think there may be more to the story... Some JPs (and some of every other nationality) can be a bit prickish when it comes to the makeup of a given PT, but even the pricky one's I've dealt with wouldn't even invite you.
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#20 Nov 22 2010 at 4:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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*Facepalm*

...So before this ridiculousness goes any further let me clear something up. There are NO language or country exclusive servers. Everyone from everywhere (except China) plays on the same servers. There are no servers designated for JP players or NA players or UK players, only those decided by the player-base to be the unofficial servers.

In other words, no matter what server you were on, they were acting like jerks. Or perhaps just being incredibly thoughtless with an extremely poor sense of judgment and a lack of foresight that even someone with ADHD would envy...
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How is you getting booted from the party "another game killer"? Bad title for thread...

On another note, I've had some great gaming experiences with folks who don't speak English. It's amazing how much strategy and communication you can do with /point /nod /panic /laugh /etc... and the use of marks on targets during leves (which they need to make always available in my mind).
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I know this is going to scome off sounding bad, but I personally HATE grouping with JP players. In my experiences in ffxi I found the majority of them to be condescending pricks who think all NA players suck. Like I said, this is just what I noticed from MY personal experiences. Even so, I certainly wouldn't kick someone that was JP. That's just incredibly rude and unfortunately fits what I've seen from their playerbase far too often...
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the use of marks on targets during leves (which they need to make always available in my mind).


YES. Why the heck can't you use marks all the time - make them only visible to party members! I know there would be some coding involved with that but boy would it be nice.
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Didn't know there was a NA server. What's it called? "George Bush Camp Clueless"?

LOL ^.^


Couldn't resist. That guy really is a stain on your history.
On the other hand, our prime ministers are replaced faster than underwear.
I actually forgot who was in charge before the current one >.>/

Edited, Nov 22nd 2010 6:08am by Rinsui
wasn't the loopy one? I'm totally disconnected from the TV now days ;P

O.P. I think the bottom like is that ppl have the right to party with who ever they feel like, although they shouldn't make you run to the camp and then dump you, that's plain rude, however let me assure it's not a Japanese trait, you will find stupid people everywhere, just ignore them and move on.

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#25 Nov 22 2010 at 5:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Irishclass777 wrote:
I like grouping with the japanese players. I rarely meet rude ones. Unlike the english players. I think what gets on ppl nerves is jp are really NOT racist. Its the english being racist to the japanese. I lost count how many times I'd see a rude comment about jp only. its about communication. They like talking and having fun in groups as much as we do.

like earlier i was on ffxi. Doing my first weapon trial thing. I had to kill 50 skele on any weather. I get there and I see a player attacking the skele. I try to find other places to leave him be. And found a spot. Then he came into my spot. I figure i may as well tell him i need skele for my trail. I asked english and he said nope japanese. i said << skele weapon break. And he then invite me to a party and helps me out. :) I thanked him and got some pretty cute "team work" pics. and thanked him for the help.
like ppl say lil kindness goes a long way.



The English being racist??? I'm English and I'm offended by this statement. I think you are just biased against the English judging by your name. Also have you ever been to Japan??? If you had you would know about the Japanese only policies that alot of retail buisnesses employ.
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Quite retarded to turn down anyone due to language barrier right now due to there being NO SKILL in parties.

Those that do aren't worth partying with, so it works out for everyone :D

Edited, Nov 22nd 2010 5:56pm by LyleVertigo
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dethbysnusnu wrote:
Why would jp players play on a na server and oust na players.


/facepalm
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dethbysnusnu wrote:
Why would jp players play on a na server and oust na players.


/facepalm


lol, people still think they are in WoW XD
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Irishclass777 wrote:
I like grouping with the japanese players. I rarely meet rude ones. Unlike the english players. I think what gets on ppl nerves is jp are really NOT racist. Its the english being racist to the japanese. I lost count how many times I'd see a rude comment about jp only. its about communication. They like talking and having fun in groups as much as we do.

like earlier i was on ffxi. Doing my first weapon trial thing. I had to kill 50 skele on any weather. I get there and I see a player attacking the skele. I try to find other places to leave him be. And found a spot. Then he came into my spot. I figure i may as well tell him i need skele for my trail. I asked english and he said nope japanese. i said << skele weapon break. And he then invite me to a party and helps me out. :) I thanked him and got some pretty cute "team work" pics. and thanked him for the help.
like ppl say lil kindness goes a long way.


Yea I agree, I've grouped countless times with JP players in FFXI and never a bad experience. One thing that defines these people well is this one time In FFXI I was sending something to my mule (I think his name was Remnant) and I did and It was valuable and I log off to get it off my mule and sell it or do something with it...point being, I never found it in the mail box so i quickly do a /sea all rem and I found someone with a name close enough for me to have made a mistake typing - it was a Japanese person and I asked him if he could return them to me, he teleported to Jeuno from Ghelsba and quickly returned the item (iirc it was leaping boots, before they were rare/ex, because at the time i was making a thief with my mule). So these people are generous for the most past and personally never gave me any problems.
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I'm always courteous and have been expelled from every Japanese party I've joined as soon as they found out I couldn't speak the language...I had much better luck in FFXI, in one instance an amazing Japanese Taru Beastmaster helped me duo "Wings of Fury" and I got an astral ring, but I digress...
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I have made tons of JP friends now on Melmond server, one of them sold me a Battle Lance for a seriously low price.

I highly recommend using this guide and try talking in romaji.

It's worked for me and they really appreciate the effort.

http://shigemo.com/FFXI/nihongo_guide.html



Edited, Nov 22nd 2010 10:04pm by MisterGaribaldi
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I have made tons of JP friends now on Melmond server, one of them sold me a Battle Lance for a seriously low price.

I highly recommend using this guide and try talking in romaji.

It's worked for me and they really appreciate the effort.

http://shigemo.com/FFXI/nihongo_guide.html



Edited, Nov 22nd 2010 10:04pm by MisterGaribaldi



Needs more d.e.s.u.

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Folks, this kind of crap will happen, and the people being rude to you will be from **** near everywhere the game can be played. The ones who stand out the most are those who don't speak your language, those barriers seem to magnify negative experiences. Best advice you can take is to chalk it up to that particular person being a ****, and move on with life. It really isn't worth getting worked up over.
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dethbysnusnu wrote:
So! I joined a skill point part with jp players. They told me in ( ) what camp they're at so i ran there. I got there and was asked if i could speak jp. Of course I responded no and then was ousted from the party. Wow really? Why would jp players play on a na server and oust na players. Especially after I had been responding in ( ) which is a good sign I don't speak jp. Made me run all the way there just to rub it in I suppose. It's getting better by the second.


This sounds shockingly like a JP Onry post... 10 years later and we still can't all get along. Somethings never change, I guess.
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#35 Nov 23 2010 at 3:04 AM Rating: Decent
:) You got the boot, this does suck but life goes on. No one should judge another player for playing the game within his or her comfort zone. In WoW I was kicked from a raid despite doing my job, healing the raid group because someone found out I was not in vent. I explained I was deaf, they did not care. Was I ******* Sure. Could I help it? No. That is how they enjoy the game.

In your case it was rude of them (if that is the whole story), but the question you should ask is; did you buy the game for them? I'm sure the answer is no, so I do not think you or anyone else should judge them because they wanted to stay within their safety net.


[quote=MisterGaribaldi]I have made tons of JP friends now on Melmond server, one of them sold me a Battle Lance for a seriously low price.

I highly recommend using this guide and try talking in romaji.

It's worked for me and they really appreciate the effort.

http://shigemo.com/FFXI/nihongo_guide.html

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Sorry for the poor use of grammar I am not that fluent with the language (English). I will be honest with you, stuff like this makes me laugh, if you are picking it because you have a genuine interest more power to you, but if you doing just to get buddy buddy with JP players, you should stop. You do not have to try so hard to make friends with JP players. Same rules apply everyone else, kindness goes a long way.

Sorry for the rant, but one thing that really rubs me the wrong way is that everyone thinks us JP players are god's gift to exp parties. Just like everywhere else we also have our fair share of jerks and rude players. WE ARE THE SAME, PLACE OF ORIGIN DOES NOT CHANGE SKILL LEVEL! :)Just for the record among the the many JP only parties I have with my friends often times we rag on the foreign player, it is more common then you think.
#36 Nov 23 2010 at 5:44 AM Rating: Excellent
Here's my little story…

In FFXI I got into a party of 4 JP players, 1 European (me) and 1 US player.
Party was going fine and the JP players were talking to each other while the 2 of us non JP people were just playing the game.
Then suddenly I started seeing a lot of 'W' in the chat and then one of the JP guys said in perfect English "does it annoy you that we speak in Japanese?" Where I responded that it didn't bother me the slightest. Then he asked me if I think he was better than me at playing the game, where I responded that I didn't really have an opinion as I was playing a mage and he was a melee job. The party was going ok, so I didn't have complaints.
Then I saw loads of 'W' in the chat again and some more Japanese ramble… I did think it was a bit weird thing to ask but didn't let it get to me.

Few mobs later he asks again if I think Japanese players play the game better than the Americans, where I said that in my opinion nationality doesn't really matter in things like that… (besides I am from Finland!)
He started laughing at me and explained to me that all (well, this was his view on things) Japanese players think they play FFXI better than anyone else since they take the games a lot more serious than other nationalities do and that's why they don't want to party with non-JP players.

Then he went back to chatting away with his JP buddies and I felt mentally raped at that point. I had been healing these people to the best of my abilities for the past hour, exp was good, everyone was hasted and refreshed, buffed and all the whole time and yet this guy decided to completely take down my morale by saying that.

A bit later I left the party (didn't say anything rude)… got on my lvl 75 Bard - went to Whitegate at JP primetime and turned on my party flag with a search comment (translated by my friend who speaks Japanese) saying "No Japanese party please" and went to bed. - In case you don't know, Bards at least back those days didn't need to seek for a party for more than a minute as they were very wanted in parties… even in the ones that said JP-Only… I know it was a bit cheeky but at least I got my sweet revenge.

However, in the years of FFXI that I played I also came across some Germans who can be labelled bricks just like Japanese can… what a bunch of rude people!! And the people from US… NO MANNERS what so ever, they think everything should be in their timezones. I also met some cheaters and thieves that were from UK and some elitist from France who made my friend to go look for Sandworm (even though it had already popped 15 mins before) because they didn't like my friends character…

Basically, the solution to this is… We need to realize that we play with different cultures and cultures are VERY complicated.
I come from a tiny nation and no one gives a f#ck about me if I want to speak my own language or if things aren't done my way (Yes even small countries have their own ways). I have adapted myself to work with all cultures and I think all Japanese, American, German… etc. players should really do the same. If you don't want to party with people who aren't from your culture, then please say so in the first place to save people from wasting time or upsetting others over a game. Or actually… if you are so inclined to stay in your own comfort zone, why not play something else than a MMORPG since in online communities you might have to learn something new about other cultures and even about yourself.

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#38 Nov 23 2010 at 10:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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i've played XI and XIV with people from all over the world and culture and nationality do come into the party and I love it.

But in regards to douchey players no matter where they hail from a douche or douche group is always what it is. Heck with them and move on someone will get them eventually karma is always a *****!!!
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I've yet to come across it in FFXIV but in FFXI i've seen it both ways. Been in some really fun and functional JP parties and have been denied part of the group because I didn't speak japanese. The only sh*tty thing about this situation is that you made the trip to get there before getting ousted.

If they were wanting a JP only group they should have let you known before you wasted your time/anima getting there. I can't say i've ever been in the situation where I made the trip before getting ousted for not speaking JP, but bad on them for waiting that long before ousting you. Lol and we're the impolite ones >.>

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My only advice on this is if the Party Recruit message is in Japanese - always, always ask the party leader if it is okay for you to join. Use the auto-translate if you have to. On another note, for those who don't speak Japanese or don't speak fluently, you can copy and paste in-game text and put it into a translation program (Google translate is a decent enough free one) which will at least give you the gist of what they are trying to say. However I don't recommend trying to communicate the other way around (i.e. typing English into the translate program and copy+pasting the resulting Japanese) since a lot of the time the machine translation will be garbage and it makes you look foolish.

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This is why most mmos have separate servers specifically for English speaking, Japanese speaking, German speaking, etc.
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most mmo's also have thousands of players online at any givin time..

if ffxiv were to separate jp eu and NA then we would have 100 or less ppl online at night here in the US ect and that wouldnt be very fun.. itd be the equivilent of a WoW private server, few players and nothing to do
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I think a lot of these 'culture misunderstandings' are caused by stereotypes. People have pigeonholed the Japanese as polite, quiet and well-behaved. The truth is that JP players are the same as every other group. Some are friendly and wonderful, some are quiet or shy, some are @#%^s.

There are many German or Spanish speaking players that rarely, if ever, invite English speaking players to party. But no one ever complains about them because they don't have the same kind of ridiculous expectations of them as they do of JP players.

I never understood why anyone would expect JP people to be more polite than everyone else...



Edited, Nov 23rd 2010 4:17pm by SickleSageKiroh
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#44 Nov 23 2010 at 3:27 PM Rating: Default
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They probably took one look at the crafting gear you where wearing and died a little inside man.
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#45thehellfire, Posted: Nov 23 2010 at 3:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) While not all are so, its been my experience from 11 and here that that **** are inherently racist. They hate the fact FF is multinational. they refuse to use auto translate.
#46 Nov 23 2010 at 4:02 PM Rating: Default
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それはあなたが少し日本語を知っている場合に役立ちます
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#47 Nov 23 2010 at 4:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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As part of their "culture", Japanese are primarily known worldwide as a xenophobic society. If you aren't Japanese, you will not be liked by most ( or at the very least not trusted). Feel free to google "japanese xenophobic", there's pages of documentation.

Of course, in regards to their reaction to Americans, I guess if someone dropped tons of fire and radiation on my ***, I'd be a little leary of them too. But then again, the Japanese started it.:p


Galkaholics wrote:
それはあなたが少し日本語を知っている場合に役立ちます


For what? Just to talk to some people? Last I checked, English was the international language of trade. And from my recollection, English is taught in Japan for just that reason.



Edited, Nov 23rd 2010 5:46pm by Zorvan
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#48 Nov 23 2010 at 4:10 PM Rating: Decent
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being half jp myself i have to say its true most jp HATE america. the japanese side of my family makes it very vocal and did all my life. as a child when id go visit the grandparents for summer vacation ect and theyd rub my face in how in japan there was no 3 month summer vacation and how kids went to school 7 days a week unlike the fat lazy americans like me ect ect blah blah

i just figured it was just them but its the majority.. if you visit japan.. and arent in a "tourist" area or in a big city. prepare for alot of cold stares and ppl talking bout you ... if you understand what they are saying lol
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#49 Nov 23 2010 at 4:53 PM Rating: Good
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Rinsui wrote:
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Why would jp players play on a na server and oust na players.


Didn't know there was a NA server. What's it called? "George Bush Camp Clueless"?

Seems like they weren't too bright not to realize you used autotranslate. In my
LS, it often is my (very questionable) task to politely turn down people who want
to join our LS only / JP only party. I don't like doing it, but better me politely
than anyone else via autotrans.

Why I stick to a xenophobic LS, you ask? Because I know those guys from closed beta,
and really like playing with them. I actually did invite two NA players not shortly
after launch. Ended with one of them leaving and calling us "f*cking ricecakes".

The reason: He spammed comments in suburban slang (which most of us didn't understand),
went ahead and started killing random mobs. By the time I tried to make him understand
we actually had a plan for effective fighting, it was too late (I had to translate in
two directions).

At that point I realized that, from the exclusive standpoint of efficiency, the game at
it's current state/level range favours a well-rounded experienced 13-man/woman Japanese
party over a 15-man/woman mixed mob.

Personally I don't mind whom I party with; be it black, white or green (the latter of which
I have a certain preference for). But I fully understand those of my LS who aren't as fluent
in English as I am.


If we were to exclude JP players we would be called racist, but it's ok for you guys, regardless of the circumstances. You call it a preference when you do it, we catch all kinds of flack, yeah, eat me. Yay! for double standards. ***** you, ***** you LS buddies, and I think "f*cking ricecakes" was pretty funny myself.
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