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#1 Nov 23 2010 at 1:00 AM Rating: Default
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Dear SE,

I can live with minimal content.
I can live with the bad battle system.
I can live with how SP is gained.

But one thing killed this game for me: The community is dead (that or they are zombies).
I mean, its difficult to get parties set up that isnt from your linkshell. Also, if you visit a camp and look around, everyone stands there idle... so even though people are online, they are AFKing or zombieing. It gives the illusion that the population is there, but theres nothing living.

I can cuss out someone and slap them and they will stand there and then move away.
I feel SE, that it is your fault that the community is behaving this way.
Can you do something about it?
Can you make the party finding UI better? Can you make it like in FFXI where we can /sea all 20-25 and send tells to people that show up on the list? Can you also add that green LFG bubble? Thank you.
#2 Nov 23 2010 at 1:10 AM Rating: Good
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What you can "live with" is also the reason for your problems.

Leve sharing is not worth the hassle (now). I sure would group with people but it's just a pain in the *** for minimal gain (if you don't go out there grinding normal mobs).
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#3 Nov 23 2010 at 1:19 AM Rating: Good
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I'm quite confident this weeks patch is going to address the problem with finding parties.

Right now noone parties because SP is too random and broken, hence why you see heaps of people crafting but barely run into anyone on the world map grinding, because that and gathering are the only things that are working properly. You'll also notice that this is the reason why shards and crystals cost so much, crafters far outweigh the amount of battle classes right now.

Once people venture out after the patch and realize that they can level quickly and efficiently due to the SP changes you'll see alot more parties forming. You'll also see alot more leve parties because of the bonus to SP from leves plus the changes made to SP which will make them THE way of leveling.

Things are about to get about ten times better, so i'd hold my breath if I were you.
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The community is dead because of the lack of interested people...
Look up the word logic. That might help you understand what is going on...
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#5 Nov 23 2010 at 1:25 AM Rating: Good
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I hear the top complaints are lack of content, next to no reason to party, poor market system since there is still no search function.

So the community is dead because people are waiting to see if it is worth playing. Most are thinking "Why put hours upon hours of playing only to quit in like 4 to 6 months for good when SE fails to provide by the PS3 release?"

I personally stop playing because I want to level as a caster and the SP gaining is awful soloing and people do not party. I was an unlucky one to not have a good LS to join on Saronia. So I am waiting till the end of this week for the changes to make it better and hopefully the update in Dec gets some good reason to party.
#6 Nov 23 2010 at 1:36 AM Rating: Good
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The party system is, admittedly pretty good in theory. It's the reverse of FFXI except SE failed to explain how to use it. It does need some tweaks (like a search among other things), but really people need to start using it. And people will start using it when there's an incentive to use it.

The low-population of servers, guildleves, crafting emphasis, the lack of defined goals (as mentioned; rank missions, etc...) and the SP problems are killing PT grouping. There needs and I hope will be some bonuses to emphasize party play.

At 20 soloing my Pugilist is hair-pullingly slow and there are virtually no parties forming. I've seen one here and there but that's it.

I hope with the upcoming changes, like in FFXI, that we will have the option to join PUGs for a couple of hours and be on our way.
#7 Nov 23 2010 at 1:38 AM Rating: Good
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This is also for me the main reason to not login at moment so i just don't repeat it.

I really hope the patch will get things started into another direction. I for my part will play more active the next few weeks and check out things and i hope many of you people will do the same and give the game another chance.
#8 Nov 23 2010 at 2:09 AM Rating: Good
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I just think that people are not wasting their time atm and do something else. When it gets better (24th update), we can only hope for the best...
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#9 Nov 23 2010 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
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you want parties to happen SE needs only do two things.

Leave leve's easy for the casual player, and then crank up most of the open world mobs to force party play and make SP gained to equal to all classes except glad where they can get shield and glad skill evenly.

That will really bring people together.

Last night on my conj i was solo'ing dark orange crabs . . . . and got almost 800 shards and was getting 300 phys exp and 100-300 rank sp why should i party?

I like the idea behind OP's post and they are right, the current game is single player mostly with some community elements.

I think this game needs more of a party focus rather then an even solo/party split for things like xp.
#10 Nov 23 2010 at 7:49 AM Rating: Good
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I am the opposite to the OP

I cannot live with no content, bad battle and broken SP. However, I can deal with no community for a period of time if the game itself is fun, inspiring and full of mystery waiting to be explored. I was the funder of a social LS on FFXI and I have never liked HNM LS so I couldn't care less.
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#12 Nov 23 2010 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
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I've been blaming it partially on the near useless chat window. I've missed dozens of tells & messages because of the difficulty in distinguishing battle messages from chat (especially around Ul'dah with the text colors blending into the landscape). Trying to keep track of what's going on in a party can be near impossible the way it's set up currently.

I hate to make the comparison but, in XI it was easy to give/take commands or just BS with other party members and still keep track of what was going on in battle to properly time that WS/MB or keep your Refresh cycle going.
Personally, it frustrates me to all heck attempting to keep track of everything in XIV. I'd rather just solo. At least then I know what's going on.
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#13 Nov 23 2010 at 8:43 AM Rating: Good
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The chat window is ridiculously basic. Filtering is fine but what about the horribly blurry huge font?

Personally i think the party system works ok although it would be nice if the translator worked in the message box (correct me if thats wrong). I don't see why a LFP tag would hurt though.

I don't agree that no one parties. They do on Palmecia anyway; i see/can join a party every night. Random sp gain fix tomorrow should certainly help tho.

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#14 Nov 23 2010 at 9:09 AM Rating: Decent
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I can live with minimal content.
I can live with the bad battle system.
I can live with how SP is gained.


Sounds like you can live without an MMO then.

Seriously, these are all glaring gameplay flaws. To me, it barely qualifies as a game-- it feels more like a rudimentary exercise. Sudoku is more engaging.

If you're not enjoying the game, why not just join a chat/forum community (like this one)? You can find people to talk about pretty much whatever you want if it's talking you want.
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#15 Nov 23 2010 at 9:14 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't know what you guys are talking about. I've found that the community in this game is fantastic. Maybe you just need a better linkshell, if you happen to be on Fabul, swing by Abaddon.us and fill out an application.
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#16 Nov 23 2010 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know what you guys are talking about. I've found that the community in this game is fantastic. Maybe you just need a better linkshell, if you happen to be on Fabul, swing by Abaddon.us and fill out an application.


Applications? lol

Though I do agree with your statement. I am also on fabul, and I've had no problems finding parties. Sometimes I craft for 20 minutes or so while I check the party search. Sometimes I happen to be near the popular partying spot, so I just run out there and get tossed an invited when I ask.

I've found dozens of helpful, social people who have similar goals as me.

I think you just need to find a better linkshell. It really makes all the difference in the world.
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#17 Nov 23 2010 at 10:22 AM Rating: Decent
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I agree. For me it's because I find the chat to be broken. I can't do anything while I type, so half the time I don't bother typing. Also, with such a small chat box and no way to filter the chat, I miss half the stuff people say and it's hard to have conversations while fighting/crafting.
#18 Nov 23 2010 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Cyrus11 wrote:
I agree. For me it's because I find the chat to be broken. I can't do anything while I type, so half the time I don't bother typing. Also, with such a small chat box and no way to filter the chat, I miss half the stuff people say and it's hard to have conversations while fighting/crafting.

You will find that if you work around the broken chat system the community is quite good. ;)
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#19 Nov 23 2010 at 10:35 AM Rating: Decent
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TaigaHalak wrote:
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I don't know what you guys are talking about. I've found that the community in this game is fantastic. Maybe you just need a better linkshell, if you happen to be on Fabul, swing by Abaddon.us and fill out an application.


Applications? lol

Though I do agree with your statement. I am also on fabul, and I've had no problems finding parties. Sometimes I craft for 20 minutes or so while I check the party search. Sometimes I happen to be near the popular partying spot, so I just run out there and get tossed an invited when I ask.

I've found dozens of helpful, social people who have similar goals as me.

I think you just need to find a better linkshell. It really makes all the difference in the world.

Yes, applications. But there is a method to our madness. Truth be told, we haven't denied an application yet. The application process serves to drive people to our linkshell website, where members can find our log in info for our ventrilo server as well as an event calendar where we have numerous events created by our members.
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#20 Nov 23 2010 at 10:40 AM Rating: Good
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At this point, the only people really playing are the ones who WANT to be here. It really isn't really hard to get involved in the community.


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That being said, I'm not sure you can complain about a lack of community if you aren't willing to interact with other players....
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#21 Nov 23 2010 at 10:40 AM Rating: Good
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See being apart of the community is easy if you are resourceful. I go to the guild for the things i need.

For me I just want an easier party creation mechanic because if I wanted to wait at bloodshore with my party open for hours on end I may as well have stayed on XI. I would prefer having the current system with easier chat, targetting, and LFP. That will bring everyone together alongside battle balance which needs adjusting.

I am really banking on thursday, I have so much fun already improve those things and I am not leaving :P
#22 Nov 23 2010 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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Thats strange O.o well i can tell that sometimes it's hard to find some party members but usually most of the time I'm playing and that is most of most (like 90% of times) i have no problems finding party, and i even don't party with my LS just a random people, now some of them in my Social List. But if the system of finding people to party will be even much easier and faster, i won't complain :D But i also don't complain on current party finding system, I fully understand it (how it works) and use it compared to some other players.

Edited, Nov 23rd 2010 1:44pm by EmiyaShirou
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EmiyaShirou wrote:
Thats strange O.o well i can tell that sometimes it's hard to find some party members but usually most of the time I'm playing and that is most of most (like 90% of times) i have no problems finding party, and i even don't party with my LS just a random people, now some of them in my Social List. But if the system of finding people to party will be even much easier and faster, i won't complain :D But i also don't complain on current party finding system, I fully understand it (how it works) and use it compared to some other players.

Edited, Nov 23rd 2010 1:44pm by EmiyaShirou

Agreed, I seem to find parties even when I'm not looking, and Fabul is one of the lower pop servers. I think some people just need to make more of an effort and be a little more outgoing. On a few occasions when I'm running to bloodshore, I've got a random /tell from someone I've grouped with in the past that sees me run by and subsequently get an invite. I'm thinking that if you're struggling to find grinding parties then you're either doing something wrong, or not doing something that you should be doing.
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#24 Nov 23 2010 at 1:47 PM Rating: Good
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yeah I find parties when I want them or I get a tank and a dd (I'm a healer) and start one with the search function up and viola! A party! It isn't that hard. Just go with two other people to a zone near a telepoint - and start on easier mobs - then change prey as the party grows.
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#25 Nov 23 2010 at 3:45 PM Rating: Default
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Imaboomer wrote:
Dear SE,

I can live with minimal content.
I can live with the bad battle system.
I can live with how SP is gained.

But one thing killed this game for me: The community is dead (that or they are zombies).
I mean, its difficult to get parties set up that isnt from your linkshell. Also, if you visit a camp and look around, everyone stands there idle... so even though people are online, they are AFKing or zombieing. It gives the illusion that the population is there, but theres nothing living.

I can cuss out someone and slap them and they will stand there and then move away.
I feel SE, that it is your fault that the community is behaving this way.
Can you do something about it?
Can you make the party finding UI better? Can you make it like in FFXI where we can /sea all 20-25 and send tells to people that show up on the list? Can you also add that green LFG bubble? Thank you.


I love how trolls disguise their trolling as letters to SE, knowing that SE doesnt care about the haters.
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Community is what YOU as a player make of it.

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#27 Nov 23 2010 at 5:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Imaboomer wrote:

Can you do something about it?



The social aspects of these games is entirely on the playerbase and not the developer.

Even if they forced partying people who are not social people would still ignore you or say minimal things to you.

Granted, it does not help that combat tends to require keystrokes every couple of seconds. But this is not a driving factor, but still worth noting.
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#28 Nov 23 2010 at 8:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Imaboomer wrote:
Dear SE,

I can live with minimal content.
I can live with the bad battle system.
I can live with how SP is gained.
Thank you.


Its an interesting view point but one that I can completely understand. THe purpose of online games in many peoples view is for the social interaction that comes with actually playing the game. To that extent it is a critical factor.

What somewhat surprises me though Imaboomer is that you and I have "discussed" the game on several occasions on the past on these boards, with me trying to present an optimistic view as I have generally enjoyed my experience to date and you have been very vocal in your criticisms of the game (which I agree are generally very well founded).

Most of your criticisms however have been of minimal content, bad battle system and the SP gain.

Has your experience in the game now changed your view and are you starting to accept these three areas that were previously what broke the game for you?
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#29 Nov 23 2010 at 8:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Get wha?
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#30 Nov 24 2010 at 12:28 AM Rating: Good
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Here's the thing, aside the roleplayers, most people are logging on to craft, gather or fight. While you're doing that your attention is generally on the task at hand or split between the task at hand and a movie/tv. It takes some skill to talk and do one of those three effectively.

I'm optimistic that over the next few months we'll start to see a positive influx of people and the LSes will start to fill up some, get people who log on and spend time chatting and such.
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