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To all the former XIV Players, please come backFollow

#1 Nov 25 2010 at 8:16 PM Rating: Good
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Give the game another try. The recent Nov 25th update is full of win, I urge those that quiet to give it another try. The game is still free for another month, so you don't lose anything but a little time.

Kudos to SE for the recent patch.
Kudos to SE for bringing the patch out when they said they would.

#2 Nov 25 2010 at 8:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

The patch is fantastic, but most people I know left due to lack of content, which most likely won't be addressed in detail until March.
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Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

The patch is fantastic, but most people I know left due to lack of content, which most likely won't be addressed in detail until March.



They added new content in this patch....
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Amazing update is amazing.
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Came back, played for an hour and came to the same conclusion that I already did a month ago. Theres not enough content to keep me interested in this game. I don't enjoy crafting and theres not much to do besides grind, do repetitive leves, and the occasional quest. The UI improvement is nice, but its not enough to make me play again when the reason I'm not playing can't really be resolved in a single patch. Its gonna take at least a year to get enough content into this game to make it interesting to me and a lot of the other people who quit for lack of content.
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Technolust wrote:

Kudos to SE for bringing the patch out when they said they would.

I can tell you're excited, but don't bend the truth.. The patch was delayed so it was not out when they said they would.

Not that I'm complaining as I agree with most other people when they say that it's better to wait a day or two and release something that works than it is to create yet another thing that's broken.
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Sidicas wrote:
Technolust wrote:

Kudos to SE for bringing the patch out when they said they would.

I can tell you're excited, but don't bend the truth.. The patch was delayed so it was not out when they said they would.

Not that I'm complaining as I agree with most other people when they say that it's better to wait a day or two and release something that works than it is to create yet another thing that's broken.


Nah actually I'm not when they originally announced the update it was slated for Nov 25th, they changed it to the 24th, pushed it back to the 26th, and then moved it back to the original date of the 25th.

So all in all they did release the patch in time.

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I frankly hope they stay away, they won't be content with a single quest line or UI updates. They expect 5+ years of content within a couple months, which simply cannot be done, so better they stay away to prevent more waaawaa on the linkshell.

No offense but you just cannot compare this to something with years development behind it, even FFXI at the west start had a year of release in japan and a full expansion when it was released in the west.
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I'm coming back right now to try it out.
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#10 Nov 25 2010 at 8:43 PM Rating: Good
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Came back, played for an hour and came to the same conclusion that I already did a month ago. Theres not enough content to keep me interested in this game. I don't enjoy crafting and theres not much to do besides grind, do repetitive leves, and the occasional quest. The UI improvement is nice, but its not enough to make me play again when the reason I'm not playing can't really be resolved in a single patch. Its gonna take at least a year to get enough content into this game to make it interesting to me and a lot of the other people who quit for lack of content.


A lot of people throw this "content" word around and different people mean different things by it.. For you, I'm guessing you just mean storyline / single player stuff / main quests?

I think participating in multiple linkshells and making friends with different groups of people really adds a lot of "fun content". But if you're looking for storyline stuff then yea, I definitely agree FFXIV leaves most players expecting much more than it delivers.. The mainline quests are just too short and too far between.. By the time you get to the next segment of your mainline quest, you can't even remember what the last quest was about and right when you start getting into it, it's over.. And you have to wait 5 more levels to do the next one..


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They fixed what they said they would,

December is the 'content patch'

SE, you did what you said you would, and I thank you for it.
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Sidicas wrote:

I definitely agree FFXIV leaves most players expecting much more than it delivers.. The mainline quests are just too short and too far between.. By the time you get to the next segment of your mainline quest, you can't even remember what the last quest was about and right when you start getting into it, it's over.. And you have to wait 5 more levels to do the next one..


The game is less then 3 months old...lmao it's not going to have tons of content right away.
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WillCider wrote:
Came back, played for an hour and came to the same conclusion that I already did a month ago. Theres not enough content to keep me interested in this game. I don't enjoy crafting and theres not much to do besides grind, do repetitive leves, and the occasional quest. The UI improvement is nice, but its not enough to make me play again when the reason I'm not playing can't really be resolved in a single patch. Its gonna take at least a year to get enough content into this game to make it interesting to me and a lot of the other people who quit for lack of content.

Have you tried the missions?

Did you do the class quests? I laughed my *** off from the rank 30 fish class, it wasn't until the rank 36 class quest that I knew why he made me do what he made me do.

There's plenty of content but what SE wants you to do is explore the whole of the game, experience different classes.

I was quite surprised to learn of the little red riding hood link in the rank 20 weaver quest when I got to 20 weaver, so much content there allready, I can't wait for my carpenter and leatherworker to get to 20.
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Technolust wrote:
Sidicas wrote:

I definitely agree FFXIV leaves most players expecting much more than it delivers.. The mainline quests are just too short and too far between.. By the time you get to the next segment of your mainline quest, you can't even remember what the last quest was about and right when you start getting into it, it's over.. And you have to wait 5 more levels to do the next one..


The game is less then 3 months old...lmao it's not going to have tons of content right away.


Why not? WoW shiped with tons of content. CoH shiped with tons of content. LoRO EQ2 L2 D&D online all shiped with tons of content. most mmo's fail becuse of bugs not lack of content. They fail becuse of bugs.

I am going to give FFXIV another chance when I get home. But I have a feeling its the same game. Bug/bad ui I can live with. No real story to an RPG world I can't!
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Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:

The game is less then 3 months old...lmao it's not going to have tons of content right away.


Why not? WoW shiped with tons of content. CoH shiped with tons of content. LoRO EQ2 L2 D&D online all shiped with tons of content. most mmo's fail becuse of bugs not lack of content. They fail becuse of bugs.

I am going to give FFXIV another chance when I get home. But I have a feeling its the same game. Bug/bad ui I can live with. No real story to an RPG world I can't!



Did you actually play any of those games when they launched? Because they didn't have much for content when they launched.

I think people just like to complain because it gets them attention.
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WillCider wrote:
Came back, played for an hour and came to the same conclusion that I already did a month ago. Theres not enough content to keep me interested in this game. I don't enjoy crafting and theres not much to do besides grind, do repetitive leves, and the occasional quest. The UI improvement is nice, but its not enough to make me play again when the reason I'm not playing can't really be resolved in a single patch. Its gonna take at least a year to get enough content into this game to make it interesting to me and a lot of the other people who quit for lack of content.


This is the primary reason I left. I have never liked crafting. I think my FFXI fishing was lvl 47, GS was low 40's. The stuff I liked were HELM and choco digging which provided me with enough gil for my needs, and allowed me to contribute to the economy with basic raw materials. I didn't see anything like that being possible in FFXIV so far. I also cannot deal with the lack of an AH, no mail system, and the zombies...er, retainers. Those are the things that are keeping me away, if they're changed (which I think is unlikely since I've felt they were designed as anti-rmt measures) maybe I'll come back.
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#17 Nov 25 2010 at 9:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Technolust wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:

The game is less then 3 months old...lmao it's not going to have tons of content right away.


Why not? WoW shiped with tons of content. CoH shiped with tons of content. LoRO EQ2 L2 D&D online all shiped with tons of content. most mmo's fail becuse of bugs not lack of content. They fail becuse of bugs.

I am going to give FFXIV another chance when I get home. But I have a feeling its the same game. Bug/bad ui I can live with. No real story to an RPG world I can't!



Did you actually play any of those games when they launched? Because they didn't have much for content when they launched.

I think people just like to complain because it gets them attention.


Really? WoW did not ship with tons of content? Are you sure on this? Can you back this up? Becuse I know you can't. WoW Shiped with thousands of quest. dungens for just about every 10 lvls. and Raids! all of witch also had there own quest lines. EQ2 Shiped with a veary large amount of quest and story arcs. COH D&D L2 LoRO the same maby not as many as WoW but still tuns of content.

Did you play any of the games on that list? or are you just stating what you think to be true to defend FFXIV?

Edited, Nov 25th 2010 10:06pm by Sethern79
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Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:

The game is less then 3 months old...lmao it's not going to have tons of content right away.


Why not? WoW shiped with tons of content. CoH shiped with tons of content. LoRO EQ2 L2 D&D online all shiped with tons of content. most mmo's fail becuse of bugs not lack of content. They fail becuse of bugs.

I am going to give FFXIV another chance when I get home. But I have a feeling its the same game. Bug/bad ui I can live with. No real story to an RPG world I can't!



Did you actually play any of those games when they launched? Because they didn't have much for content when they launched.

I think people just like to complain because it gets them attention.


Really? WoW did not ship with tons of content? Are you sure on this? Can you back this up? Becuse I know you can't. WoW Shiped with thousands of quest. dungens for just about every 10 lvls. and Raids! all of witch also had there own quest lines. EQ2 Shiped with a veary large amount of quest and story arcs. COH D&D L2 LoRO the same maby not as many as WoW but still tuns of content.

Did you play any of the games on that list? or are you just stating what you think to be true to defend FFXIV?

Edited, Nov 25th 2010 10:06pm by Sethern79


Yeah actually I did, lets do this. Lets just agree that both of our definitions of content are different. As I'm sure we both like different aspects of those games. Yes I did play them though. You obviously don't like this game that much so why even bother mucking up our threads? Is it because your just bitter?

I'm asking honestly, not trying to pick a fight, but we are all entitled to our opinions.
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Return for what? there was Zero content added in this "magic" update just UI/bugs/etc fixes and enhancements
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logged in, did a party search rank 10-30, not a single party. logged out. permanently.
#21 Nov 25 2010 at 9:17 PM Rating: Good
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I'm having fun right now, did a few battle leves and was getting a good amount of SP from each mob, the UI is so much smoother and so is battle. I was very pessimistic about this game but I am impressed with what i've seen so far with this update so I'm going to give it another shot.
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#22 Nov 25 2010 at 9:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Vorkosigan wrote:
I also cannot deal with the lack of an AH, no mail system, and the zombies...er, retainers. Those are the things that are keeping me away, if they're changed (which I think is unlikely since I've felt they were designed as anti-rmt measures) maybe I'll come back.

SE allready said that, once they go on sale, as long as they sell retainers they won't even think of adding an Auction House, so if that is really a prime concern then I'm sure you can find the interview in question somewhere around here on ZAM or on bluegartr for sure. People in game tell me they can't wait until they can buy extra retainers so I don't see an AH coming anytime soon.
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Technolust wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:

The game is less then 3 months old...lmao it's not going to have tons of content right away.


Why not? WoW shiped with tons of content. CoH shiped with tons of content. LoRO EQ2 L2 D&D online all shiped with tons of content. most mmo's fail becuse of bugs not lack of content. They fail becuse of bugs.

I am going to give FFXIV another chance when I get home. But I have a feeling its the same game. Bug/bad ui I can live with. No real story to an RPG world I can't!



Did you actually play any of those games when they launched? Because they didn't have much for content when they launched.

I think people just like to complain because it gets them attention.


Really? WoW did not ship with tons of content? Are you sure on this? Can you back this up? Becuse I know you can't. WoW Shiped with thousands of quest. dungens for just about every 10 lvls. and Raids! all of witch also had there own quest lines. EQ2 Shiped with a veary large amount of quest and story arcs. COH D&D L2 LoRO the same maby not as many as WoW but still tuns of content.

Did you play any of the games on that list? or are you just stating what you think to be true to defend FFXIV?

Edited, Nov 25th 2010 10:06pm by Sethern79


Yeah actually I did, lets do this. Lets just agree that both of our definitions of content are different. As I'm sure we both like different aspects of those games. Yes I did play them though. You obviously don't like this game that much so why even bother mucking up our threads? Is it because your just bitter?

I'm asking honestly, not trying to pick a fight, but we are all entitled to our opinions.


Your telling me Quest are not content? Dungens are not content? Story arcs are not content? BTW its the lack of just this kind of content that made a lot of people quit FFXIV. You can say we have difrent definition of content all you want. its my definition that has lost a lot of players for FFXIV.

You ask most people why they droped FFXIV and I bet you they will say Lack of content. Chating with friends is not game content. I can do that on forums and chat rooms. Grinding for 8 hours a day is not content I do that every day at work!

I am still here becuse I loved FFXI. I would love to see FFXIV become a good game. And SE is working on it. But this patch is not the fix that will save the game. This patch is a bandaid that will stop the bleeding. I was hoping for quest/leves that would give me something to do other than grind untill my eyes bleed. But from the looks of it that will not come untill december.
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#25 Nov 25 2010 at 9:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:

The game is less then 3 months old...lmao it's not going to have tons of content right away.


Why not? WoW shiped with tons of content. CoH shiped with tons of content. LoRO EQ2 L2 D&D online all shiped with tons of content. most mmo's fail becuse of bugs not lack of content. They fail becuse of bugs.

I am going to give FFXIV another chance when I get home. But I have a feeling its the same game. Bug/bad ui I can live with. No real story to an RPG world I can't!



Did you actually play any of those games when they launched? Because they didn't have much for content when they launched.

I think people just like to complain because it gets them attention.


Really? WoW did not ship with tons of content? Are you sure on this? Can you back this up? Becuse I know you can't. WoW Shiped with thousands of quest. dungens for just about every 10 lvls. and Raids! all of witch also had there own quest lines. EQ2 Shiped with a veary large amount of quest and story arcs. COH D&D L2 LoRO the same maby not as many as WoW but still tuns of content.

Did you play any of the games on that list? or are you just stating what you think to be true to defend FFXIV?

Edited, Nov 25th 2010 10:06pm by Sethern79


Yeah actually I did, lets do this. Lets just agree that both of our definitions of content are different. As I'm sure we both like different aspects of those games. Yes I did play them though. You obviously don't like this game that much so why even bother mucking up our threads? Is it because your just bitter?

I'm asking honestly, not trying to pick a fight, but we are all entitled to our opinions.


Your telling me Quest are not content? Dungens are not content? Story arcs are not content? BTW its the lack of just this kind of content that made a lot of people quit FFXIV. You can say we have difrent definition of content all you want. its my definition that has lost a lot of players for FFXIV.

You ask most people why they droped FFXIV and I bet you they will say Lack of content. Chating with friends is not game content. I can do that on forums and chat rooms. Grinding for 8 hours a day is not content I do that every day at work!

I am still here becuse I loved FFXI. I would love to see FFXIV become a good game. And SE is working on it. But this patch is not the fix that will save the game. This patch is a bandaid that will stop the bleeding. I was hoping for quest/leves that would give me something to do other than grind untill my eyes bleed. But from the looks of it that will not come untill december.

What will it take to make people happy?

What if the December update brings, say, 2 new leves for each city with NM's in them, will that be enough?

What if they added more class quests, other then the numerous ones allready in game, to enrich the background, will that be enough?

I fear what most people are looking for isn't coming until the first 2011 update, which is in march if i'm not mistaken.
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#26 Nov 25 2010 at 9:34 PM Rating: Default
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This patch sucked.

I only played for about an hour after the patch, but I was less than impressed by what I "experienced".

They nerfed HP VIT DEF PROTECT SHELL and who knows what else.

It's a crafting game, and I'm not into crafting, so GOODBYE.



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What will it take to make people happy?

What if the December update brings, say, 2 new leves for each city with NM's in them, will that be enough?

What if they added more class quests, other then the numerous ones allready in game, to enrich the background, will that be enough?

I fear what most people are looking for isn't coming until the first 2011 update, which is in march if i'm not mistaken.


No Im sorry but 2 new leves for each city will not do it. if they only add 6 new leves to the game that will be a killing blow for me. the class quest are only numerous if you play every class. So there to they will need to add a lot to get this game going IMO. I am sorry but just look at the people posting in this thred alone saying they will not come back with out content. This is where the game is lacking and this is what SE truly needs to work on.

Im sure the UI/bug fix they did today are great for the people still playing. But its going to take more than that to get a lot of us back.
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Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:

The game is less then 3 months old...lmao it's not going to have tons of content right away.


Why not? WoW shiped with tons of content. CoH shiped with tons of content. LoRO EQ2 L2 D&D online all shiped with tons of content. most mmo's fail becuse of bugs not lack of content. They fail becuse of bugs.

I am going to give FFXIV another chance when I get home. But I have a feeling its the same game. Bug/bad ui I can live with. No real story to an RPG world I can't!



Did you actually play any of those games when they launched? Because they didn't have much for content when they launched.

I think people just like to complain because it gets them attention.


Really? WoW did not ship with tons of content? Are you sure on this? Can you back this up? Becuse I know you can't. WoW Shiped with thousands of quest. dungens for just about every 10 lvls. and Raids! all of witch also had there own quest lines. EQ2 Shiped with a veary large amount of quest and story arcs. COH D&D L2 LoRO the same maby not as many as WoW but still tuns of content.

Did you play any of the games on that list? or are you just stating what you think to be true to defend FFXIV?

Edited, Nov 25th 2010 10:06pm by Sethern79


Yeah actually I did, lets do this. Lets just agree that both of our definitions of content are different. As I'm sure we both like different aspects of those games. Yes I did play them though. You obviously don't like this game that much so why even bother mucking up our threads? Is it because your just bitter?

I'm asking honestly, not trying to pick a fight, but we are all entitled to our opinions.


Your telling me Quest are not content? Dungens are not content? Story arcs are not content? BTW its the lack of just this kind of content that made a lot of people quit FFXIV. You can say we have difrent definition of content all you want. its my definition that has lost a lot of players for FFXIV.

You ask most people why they droped FFXIV and I bet you they will say Lack of content. Chating with friends is not game content. I can do that on forums and chat rooms. Grinding for 8 hours a day is not content I do that every day at work!

I am still here becuse I loved FFXI. I would love to see FFXIV become a good game. And SE is working on it. But this patch is not the fix that will save the game. This patch is a bandaid that will stop the bleeding. I was hoping for quest/leves that would give me something to do other than grind untill my eyes bleed. But from the looks of it that will not come untill december.


This game has quests, it has dungeons, it has story arcs. My whole point, that I think you seem to have lost sight on, all those games you listed didn't have anywhere near the 'content' they have now.
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UI fast. Sort. I'm loving this :)
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Technolust wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:

The game is less then 3 months old...lmao it's not going to have tons of content right away.


Why not? WoW shiped with tons of content. CoH shiped with tons of content. LoRO EQ2 L2 D&D online all shiped with tons of content. most mmo's fail becuse of bugs not lack of content. They fail becuse of bugs.

I am going to give FFXIV another chance when I get home. But I have a feeling its the same game. Bug/bad ui I can live with. No real story to an RPG world I can't!



Did you actually play any of those games when they launched? Because they didn't have much for content when they launched.

I think people just like to complain because it gets them attention.


Really? WoW did not ship with tons of content? Are you sure on this? Can you back this up? Becuse I know you can't. WoW Shiped with thousands of quest. dungens for just about every 10 lvls. and Raids! all of witch also had there own quest lines. EQ2 Shiped with a veary large amount of quest and story arcs. COH D&D L2 LoRO the same maby not as many as WoW but still tuns of content.

Did you play any of the games on that list? or are you just stating what you think to be true to defend FFXIV?

Edited, Nov 25th 2010 10:06pm by Sethern79


Yeah actually I did, lets do this. Lets just agree that both of our definitions of content are different. As I'm sure we both like different aspects of those games. Yes I did play them though. You obviously don't like this game that much so why even bother mucking up our threads? Is it because your just bitter?

I'm asking honestly, not trying to pick a fight, but we are all entitled to our opinions.


Your telling me Quest are not content? Dungens are not content? Story arcs are not content? BTW its the lack of just this kind of content that made a lot of people quit FFXIV. You can say we have difrent definition of content all you want. its my definition that has lost a lot of players for FFXIV.

You ask most people why they droped FFXIV and I bet you they will say Lack of content. Chating with friends is not game content. I can do that on forums and chat rooms. Grinding for 8 hours a day is not content I do that every day at work!

I am still here becuse I loved FFXI. I would love to see FFXIV become a good game. And SE is working on it. But this patch is not the fix that will save the game. This patch is a bandaid that will stop the bleeding. I was hoping for quest/leves that would give me something to do other than grind untill my eyes bleed. But from the looks of it that will not come untill december.


This game has quests, it has dungeons, it has story arcs. My whole point, that I think you seem to have lost sight on, all those games you listed didn't have anywhere near the 'content' they have now.


Im not talking about now! Im talking about at lanch! I played every one of the games I listed day one. and every one of them had more than enof content to keep a guy going for quite a long time. FFXIV has maby a month of content and thats only becuse It would take you that long to get to the lvl 50 stuff.
#31 Nov 25 2010 at 9:46 PM Rating: Good
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What will it take to make people happy?

What if the December update brings, say, 2 new leves for each city with NM's in them, will that be enough?

What if they added more class quests, other then the numerous ones allready in game, to enrich the background, will that be enough?

I fear what most people are looking for isn't coming until the first 2011 update, which is in march if i'm not mistaken.


No Im sorry but 2 new leves for each city will not do it. if they only add 6 new leves to the game that will be a killing blow for me. the class quest are only numerous if you play every class. So there to they will need to add a lot to get this game going IMO. I am sorry but just look at the people posting in this thred alone saying they will not come back with out content. This is where the game is lacking and this is what SE truly needs to work on.

Im sure the UI/bug fix they did today are great for the people still playing. But its going to take more than that to get a lot of us back.

That's what I thought. Well I can tell you now to not get your hopes up, I work in development myself but what you want is something like a whole new storyline like CoP, such things just take time and won't happen in a month I can tell you that.

I don't do game development, but I'm into development for a living and things like a whole new storyline with a whole new set of objects just take time to create and introduce.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it, I loved getting sky/moon/sea access back in the day, but you're talking whole new zones with new monsters and that might be a long way off.
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#32 Nov 25 2010 at 9:47 PM Rating: Default
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Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:

The game is less then 3 months old...lmao it's not going to have tons of content right away.


Why not? WoW shiped with tons of content. CoH shiped with tons of content. LoRO EQ2 L2 D&D online all shiped with tons of content. most mmo's fail becuse of bugs not lack of content. They fail becuse of bugs.

I am going to give FFXIV another chance when I get home. But I have a feeling its the same game. Bug/bad ui I can live with. No real story to an RPG world I can't!



Did you actually play any of those games when they launched? Because they didn't have much for content when they launched.

I think people just like to complain because it gets them attention.


Really? WoW did not ship with tons of content? Are you sure on this? Can you back this up? Becuse I know you can't. WoW Shiped with thousands of quest. dungens for just about every 10 lvls. and Raids! all of witch also had there own quest lines. EQ2 Shiped with a veary large amount of quest and story arcs. COH D&D L2 LoRO the same maby not as many as WoW but still tuns of content.

Did you play any of the games on that list? or are you just stating what you think to be true to defend FFXIV?

Edited, Nov 25th 2010 10:06pm by Sethern79


Yeah actually I did, lets do this. Lets just agree that both of our definitions of content are different. As I'm sure we both like different aspects of those games. Yes I did play them though. You obviously don't like this game that much so why even bother mucking up our threads? Is it because your just bitter?

I'm asking honestly, not trying to pick a fight, but we are all entitled to our opinions.


Your telling me Quest are not content? Dungens are not content? Story arcs are not content? BTW its the lack of just this kind of content that made a lot of people quit FFXIV. You can say we have difrent definition of content all you want. its my definition that has lost a lot of players for FFXIV.

You ask most people why they droped FFXIV and I bet you they will say Lack of content. Chating with friends is not game content. I can do that on forums and chat rooms. Grinding for 8 hours a day is not content I do that every day at work!

I am still here becuse I loved FFXI. I would love to see FFXIV become a good game. And SE is working on it. But this patch is not the fix that will save the game. This patch is a bandaid that will stop the bleeding. I was hoping for quest/leves that would give me something to do other than grind untill my eyes bleed. But from the looks of it that will not come untill december.


This game has quests, it has dungeons, it has story arcs. My whole point, that I think you seem to have lost sight on, all those games you listed didn't have anywhere near the 'content' they have now.


Im not talking about now! Im talking about at lanch! I played every one of the games I listed day one. and every one of them had more than enof content to keep a guy going for quite a long time. FFXIV has maby a month of content and thats only becuse It would take you that long to get to the lvl 50 stuff.


Yeah I know what your talking about, and in my opinion FFXIV at launch had enough content for me to be happy.
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DJvGalen wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
DJvGalen wrote:
What will it take to make people happy?

What if the December update brings, say, 2 new leves for each city with NM's in them, will that be enough?

What if they added more class quests, other then the numerous ones allready in game, to enrich the background, will that be enough?

I fear what most people are looking for isn't coming until the first 2011 update, which is in march if i'm not mistaken.


No Im sorry but 2 new leves for each city will not do it. if they only add 6 new leves to the game that will be a killing blow for me. the class quest are only numerous if you play every class. So there to they will need to add a lot to get this game going IMO. I am sorry but just look at the people posting in this thred alone saying they will not come back with out content. This is where the game is lacking and this is what SE truly needs to work on.

Im sure the UI/bug fix they did today are great for the people still playing. But its going to take more than that to get a lot of us back.

That's what I thought. Well I can tell you now to not get your hopes up, I work in development myself but what you want is something like a whole new storyline like CoP, such things just take time and won't happen in a month I can tell you that.

I don't do game development, but I'm into development for a living and things like a whole new storyline with a whole new set of objects just take time to create and introduce.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it, I loved getting sky/moon/sea access back in the day, but you're talking whole new zones with new monsters and that might be a long way off.


That is veary true. and why I feel this game should not have shiped untill this time next year. They spent way too much time making the game look good. and they did a **** of a job on that. For the most part they did a great job of shiping a game with out game braking bugs. But 1 more year to simply flesh out the world with quest and chalenging fights would have gone a long way to make this a great game.

Edited, Nov 25th 2010 10:51pm by Sethern79
#34 Nov 25 2010 at 9:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Technolust wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:

The game is less then 3 months old...lmao it's not going to have tons of content right away.


Why not? WoW shiped with tons of content. CoH shiped with tons of content. LoRO EQ2 L2 D&D online all shiped with tons of content. most mmo's fail becuse of bugs not lack of content. They fail becuse of bugs.

I am going to give FFXIV another chance when I get home. But I have a feeling its the same game. Bug/bad ui I can live with. No real story to an RPG world I can't!



Did you actually play any of those games when they launched? Because they didn't have much for content when they launched.

I think people just like to complain because it gets them attention.


Really? WoW did not ship with tons of content? Are you sure on this? Can you back this up? Becuse I know you can't. WoW Shiped with thousands of quest. dungens for just about every 10 lvls. and Raids! all of witch also had there own quest lines. EQ2 Shiped with a veary large amount of quest and story arcs. COH D&D L2 LoRO the same maby not as many as WoW but still tuns of content.

Did you play any of the games on that list? or are you just stating what you think to be true to defend FFXIV?

Edited, Nov 25th 2010 10:06pm by Sethern79


Yeah actually I did, lets do this. Lets just agree that both of our definitions of content are different. As I'm sure we both like different aspects of those games. Yes I did play them though. You obviously don't like this game that much so why even bother mucking up our threads? Is it because your just bitter?

I'm asking honestly, not trying to pick a fight, but we are all entitled to our opinions.


Your telling me Quest are not content? Dungens are not content? Story arcs are not content? BTW its the lack of just this kind of content that made a lot of people quit FFXIV. You can say we have difrent definition of content all you want. its my definition that has lost a lot of players for FFXIV.

You ask most people why they droped FFXIV and I bet you they will say Lack of content. Chating with friends is not game content. I can do that on forums and chat rooms. Grinding for 8 hours a day is not content I do that every day at work!

I am still here becuse I loved FFXI. I would love to see FFXIV become a good game. And SE is working on it. But this patch is not the fix that will save the game. This patch is a bandaid that will stop the bleeding. I was hoping for quest/leves that would give me something to do other than grind untill my eyes bleed. But from the looks of it that will not come untill december.


This game has quests, it has dungeons, it has story arcs. My whole point, that I think you seem to have lost sight on, all those games you listed didn't have anywhere near the 'content' they have now.


Im not talking about now! Im talking about at lanch! I played every one of the games I listed day one. and every one of them had more than enof content to keep a guy going for quite a long time. FFXIV has maby a month of content and thats only becuse It would take you that long to get to the lvl 50 stuff.


Yeah I know what your talking about, and in my opinion FFXIV at launch had enough content for me to be happy.


That great. It's good that you found what you need to be happy with this game. Im not going to say your opinion is not valid becuse its just that, your opinion.

In my opinion there was not the content needed to keep me happy. I wish there was. And im sure in a year or so SE will have this all worked out. They took a big step today with all the ui/bug fix they put in. But for me thats not what Im looking for. I can live with the bugs/crapy UI.
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I was really expecting a retainer search function this update. It was the one thing I was looking forward to above everything else.

I can't express enough how much I dislike having to search **** near every retainer to find what I'm looking for with a chance to not even find it. It takes way too much time and effort and you don't always find what you're looking for.

The rest of the update is great but this seriously ruins it for me. I hate not being able to find gear for my class because of this. I've been using outdated gear and didn't make certain gear because I couldn't be bothered to search the ocean of retainers.

I think I may have to wait yet again for the December update. I can't bring myself to log in knowing that I'll have to go through the horror show of searching for what I need.

I said it before and I'll say it again, I don't want to play a shopping simulator, I want to play Final Fantasy XIV.


WANT SEARCH FUNCTION NAO!

Seriously though, I guess I'm waiting for the December patch. To me it remains a major issue that should have been dealt with in this patch. All I can say is that they **** well better have it come December or I'm through with this game.
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Sethern79 wrote:
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I definitely agree FFXIV leaves most players expecting much more than it delivers.. The mainline quests are just too short and too far between.. By the time you get to the next segment of your mainline quest, you can't even remember what the last quest was about and right when you start getting into it, it's over.. And you have to wait 5 more levels to do the next one..


The game is less then 3 months old...lmao it's not going to have tons of content right away.


Why not? WoW shiped with tons of content. CoH shiped with tons of content. LoRO EQ2 L2 D&D online all shiped with tons of content. most mmo's fail becuse of bugs not lack of content. They fail becuse of bugs.

I am going to give FFXIV another chance when I get home. But I have a feeling its the same game. Bug/bad ui I can live with. No real story to an RPG world I can't!


Most the games you just mentioned didn't ship with half the content this game has. You just don't know where to look I guess. This game is comparable with wow for quest content at launch. 5ooish . WoW's were easier to get to. That's about it. IF you mention that WOW came with a raid you should, and if I see you will, be slapped. Look at when anything actually got downed for a small clue as to why. Also, No, wow didn't have 1500 quests at launch. I know you wanna say it. It didn't tho. LoRO im assuming is LOTRO... It is STILL failing from a lack of content this many years later. EQ yeah i remember the 90s too. D&D... please... just stop.

More games fail because of bugs than anything tho. Conan ROM are 2 semi recent examples. Tho conan didn't have content either. Just tits. Even with tits the bugs made people leave tho. This in a world of basement dwelling gamer virgins should tell you all you need to know.

The problem with FFXIV so far is you have to do a significant amount of progression before you see all it has to offer. There will be more, but I'm grateful that they're gonna build a solid base then add to it. If you coded you would understand why having a buggy base and then piling content doesn't work. *CoughWarhammer betaCough* That's most definitely how you fail hardcore. ****, come to think of it even WoW was bugged with real game breakers for YEARS before most got fixed.

I can't tell you you will enjoy it or that it is your thing. I can tell you that it is a FF game. It will do as FF games do. Just a matter of time.
#38 Nov 25 2010 at 10:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:
Sidicas wrote:

I definitely agree FFXIV leaves most players expecting much more than it delivers.. The mainline quests are just too short and too far between.. By the time you get to the next segment of your mainline quest, you can't even remember what the last quest was about and right when you start getting into it, it's over.. And you have to wait 5 more levels to do the next one..


The game is less then 3 months old...lmao it's not going to have tons of content right away.


Why not? WoW shiped with tons of content. CoH shiped with tons of content. LoRO EQ2 L2 D&D online all shiped with tons of content. most mmo's fail becuse of bugs not lack of content. They fail becuse of bugs.

I am going to give FFXIV another chance when I get home. But I have a feeling its the same game. Bug/bad ui I can live with. No real story to an RPG world I can't!


Most the games you just mentioned didn't ship with half the content this game has. You just don't know where to look I guess. This game is comparable with wow for quest content at launch. 5ooish . WoW's were easier to get to. That's about it. IF you mention that WOW came with a raid you should, and if I see you will, be slapped. Look at when anything actually got downed for a small clue as to why. Also, No, wow didn't have 1500 quests at launch. I know you wanna say it. It didn't tho. LoRO im assuming is LOTRO... It is STILL failing from a lack of content this many years later. EQ yeah i remember the 90s too. D&D... please... just stop.

More games fail because of bugs than anything tho. Conan ROM are 2 semi recent examples. Tho conan didn't have content either. Just tits. Even with tits the bugs made people leave tho. This in a world of basement dwelling gamer virgins should tell you all you need to know.

The problem with FFXIV so far is you have to do a significant amount of progression before you see all it has to offer. There will be more, but I'm grateful that they're gonna build a solid base then add to it. If you coded you would understand why having a buggy base and then piling content doesn't work. *CoughWarhammer betaCough* That's most definitely how you fail hardcore. ****, come to think of it even WoW was bugged with real game breakers for YEARS before most got fixed.

I can't tell you you will enjoy it or that it is your thing. I can tell you that it is a FF game. It will do as FF games do. Just a matter of time.


BS thats all i need to say BS. WoW had 2x the content day one from lvl 1-30 that FFXIV has now from lvl 1-50. LoTRO is failing becuse of bad dising not content. and for that matter it is not really failing it is now Free to play and has had a good number of new players. LoTRO had veary close to the amount of quest that WoW did.

And slap me. come on do it! Your full of crap and you know it. WoW had 2 full raids open day one! You know nothing of mmos do you? FFXIV is your first im beting.

Edited, Nov 25th 2010 11:46pm by Sethern79
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I think I'll take a little ride
I'm gonna light up everything in sight
I'll drive on by your yard
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Then another in the local bar

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Ignition
They call it an obsession but I think it's kinda ********
I think it's kinda neat
Yeah, I'm a pyro
I wanna burn it up
Yeah, I'm a pyro

Tonight this 'hood will be a pyre
I'm gonna set your house on fire
I'll dance around the pretty flames
Such a wonderful game!

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I want to make a tiki torch
I'm gonna throw it on your porch
Then I'm gonna run away
And come back another day
So many houses, so little time
So many reasons, I'm not a crime
I'd like to set you up
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#40 Nov 25 2010 at 11:06 PM Rating: Decent
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For people who thin FFXIV has more or evon the same amount of quest that WoW did i give you this. Its a list of quest from one zone UN'goro crater. Every one of the quest listed here where in the game day one! This is only one zone that you could lvl in from 50-56 57ish. It shows about 1/4 the quest open at this level range. If you think any of them are fake had on over to http://thottbot.com and check them out for your self.

Defending FFXIV is one thing. Making crap up to do it is another!

50 Williden's Journal Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater A Mangled Journal
360-6120 XP

3882
51 Roll the Bones Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Spark Nilminer
Un'Goro Crater or
700-8460 XP

4503
51 Shizzle's Flyer Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Shizzle
Un'Goro Crater or or
700-8460 XP

3909
52 The Videre Elixir Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Donova Snowden
Winterspring 2050-8450 XP

3883
52 Alien Ecology Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Hol'anyee Marshal
Un'Goro Crater 40 Silver
500-8841 XP
40 Silver
4141
52 Muigin and Larion Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Muigin
Un'Goro Crater 2050-5100 XP

4143
52 Haze of Evil (Dungeon) Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Gregan Brewspewer
Feralas 75 Silver
500-2200 XP
75 Silver
3844
52 It's a Secret to Everybody Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater A Wrecked Raft
Un'Goro Crater 500-1250 XP

3845
52 It's a Secret to Everybody Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater A Small Pack
Un'Goro Crater 2050-7350 XP

3908
52 It's a Secret to Everybody Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Linken
Un'Goro Crater 500-8841 XP

3912
52 Meet at the Grave Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Donova Snowden
Winterspring 2050-9000 XP

3913
52 A Grave Situation Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater A Conspicuous Gravestone
Tanaris 1000-2550 XP

3914
52 Linken's Sword Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Linken
Un'Goro Crater 75 Silver
2050-5100 XP
75 Silver
3941
52 A Gnome's Assistance Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Linken
Un'Goro Crater 130-1850 XP

4142
52 A Visit to Gregan Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Muigin
Un'Goro Crater 1500-3800 XP

4145
52 Larion and Muigin Horde
Un'Goro Crater Larion
Un'Goro Crater 75 Silver
2050-8150 XP
75 Silver
4147
52 Marvon's Workshop Horde
Un'Goro Crater Larion
Un'Goro Crater 1000-8150 XP

4243
53 Chasing A-Me 01 Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Karna Remtravel
Un'Goro Crater 1600-5100 XP

4284
53 Crystals of Power Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater J.D. Collie
Un'Goro Crater 80 Silver
525-9120 XP
80 Silver
4290
53 The Fare of Lar'korwi Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Torwa Pathfinder
Un'Goro Crater 3150-5250 XP

4244
53 Chasing A-Me 01 Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater A-Me 01
Un'Goro Crater 575-8150 XP

4291
53 The Scent of Lar'korwi Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Torwa Pathfinder
Un'Goro Crater 3150-5250 XP

3881
53 Expedition Salvation Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Williden Marshal
Un'Goro Crater 40 Silver
525-9120 XP
40 Silver
4285
53 The Northern Pylon Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater J.D. Collie
Un'Goro Crater 400-6840 XP

4287
53 The Eastern Pylon Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater J.D. Collie
Un'Goro Crater 400-6840 XP

4288
53 The Western Pylon Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater J.D. Collie
Un'Goro Crater 400-6270 XP

4321
53 Making Sense of It Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater J.D. Collie
Un'Goro Crater
55-900 XP

4245
53 Chasing A-Me 01 Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater A-Me 01
Un'Goro Crater 1 Gold 60 Silver
650-9500 XP
1 Gold 60 Silver
4382
53 Crystal Force Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Eastern Crystal Pylon
Un'Goro Crater x6

4385
53 Crystal Charge Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Northern Crystal Pylon
Un'Goro Crater x6
4050 XP
Cenarion Circle +150
Cenarion Circle +150
4381
53 Crystal Restore Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Northern Crystal Pylon
Un'Goro Crater x6

13903
53 Gorishi Grub (Daily) Horde
Un'Goro Crater
Cast Venomhide Counter

4144
53 Bloodpetal Sprouts Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Muigin
Un'Goro Crater 400-575 XP

4384
53 Crystal Yield Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Western Crystal Pylon
Un'Goro Crater x6

4383
53 Crystal Ward Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Western Crystal Pylon
Un'Goro Crater x6

4386
53 Crystal Spire Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Eastern Crystal Pylon
Un'Goro Crater x6

4148
53 Bloodpetal Zapper (Dungeon) Horde
Un'Goro Crater Larion
Un'Goro Crater
1 Gold 60 Silver
400-5700 XP
1 Gold 60 Silver
13850
53 Toxic Tolerance Horde
Un'Goro Crater Mor'vek
<Ravasaur Trainers>
Un'Goro Crater 80 Silver
80 Silver
13887
53 Venomhide Eggs Horde
Un'Goro Crater Mor'vek
<Ravasaur Trainers>
Un'Goro Crater 80 Silver
80 Silver
13906
53 They Grow Up So Fast Horde
Un'Goro Crater Mor'vek
<Ravasaur Trainers>
Un'Goro Crater
-80 Gold
950 XP
-80 Gold
13889
53 Hungry, Hungry Hatchling (Daily) Horde
Un'Goro Crater
Cast Venomhide Counter

13916
53 Poached, Scrambled, Or Raw? (Daily) Horde
Un'Goro Crater
Cast Venomhide Counter

13914
53 Searing Roc Feathers (Daily) Horde
Un'Goro Crater
Cast Venomhide Counter

13915
53 Hungry, Hungry Hatchling (Daily) Horde
Un'Goro Crater
Cast Venomhide Counter

13917
53 Gorishi Grub (Daily) Horde
Un'Goro Crater
Cast Venomhide Counter

13905
53 Searing Roc Feathers (Daily) Horde
Un'Goro Crater
Cast Venomhide Counter

13904
53 Poached, Scrambled, Or Raw? (Daily) Horde
Un'Goro Crater
Cast Venomhide Counter

4084
54 Silver Heart Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Eridan Bluewind
<Emerald Circle>
Felwood 4350-5450 XP

4005
54 Aquementas Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Eridan Bluewind
<Emerald Circle>
Felwood 550-9480 XP

3942
54 Linken's Memory Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater J.D. Collie
Un'Goro Crater 4350-5450 XP

3961
54 Linken's Adventure Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater J.D. Collie
Un'Goro Crater 850-2700 XP

4289
55 The Apes of Un'Goro Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Torwa Pathfinder
Un'Goro Crater 85 Silver
500-9780 XP
85 Silver
4502
55 Volcanic Activity Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Liv Rizzlefix
<Workshop Assistant>
Northern Barrens 85 Silver
824-9780 XP
Ratchet +250
Booty Bay +125
Everlook +125
Gadgetzan +125
Ratchet +250
Booty Bay +125
Everlook +125
Gadgetzan +125 85 Silver
980
55 The New Springs Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Krakle
Un'Goro Crater 2800 XP

4491
55 A Little Help From My Friends Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Ringo
Un'Goro Crater or or
575-9780 XP

4301
55 The Mighty U'cha Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Torwa Pathfinder
Un'Goro Crater or
575-9780 XP

974
55 Finding the Source Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Krakle
Un'Goro Crater 5650-8150 XP

4501
55 Beware of Pterrordax Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Beware of Pterrordax
Un'Goro Crater or
575-9780 XP

4492
55 Lost! Horde and Alliance
Un'Goro Crater Spraggle Frock
Un'Goro Crater 280-8150 XP

5150
55 Dadanga is Hungry! Horde and Alliance
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#41 Nov 25 2010 at 11:10 PM Rating: Decent
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zoltanrs wrote:

Most the games you just mentioned didn't ship with half the content this game has.

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#42lolwut5, Posted: Nov 25 2010 at 11:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LOL,even the 50-57 lvl range had more quests than FFXIV has in the whole game!
#43 Nov 25 2010 at 11:19 PM Rating: Default
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Bottom line is that the people who quit, please give it another shot. It's still free so you don't lose anything but time. This isn't a competition with other MMO's and I don't care what WoW is doing. This is a **** FFXIV thread. So stop fracking up this thread with stuff that doesn't even relate to the forumn. Sheesh.
#44 Nov 25 2010 at 11:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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WoW and FF are 2 different game style though. I don't know why people try to compares them like apples and oranges. Mind you, you could try to press an apple to make apple juice, it won't taste, nor be the same texture as orange.



WoW is a quest-based game. Except for high-end content and dungeon leveling, that's the way to go. WoW Lore and history comes from doing those quests and you gain knowledge of the content's lore slowly and steadily as your character approach the everchanging endgame. Unlocking new content was necessery back in the day...and soon too with Cataclysm (you're actually obligated to visit the new dungeons/raids areas in Cata to be able to PUG/Random/Go inside them)

FF XI was grind-based. You could also do it in a "quest-based" kind of way (I don't necesserly means FoV, mostly the "regular" quests(I did some kind of guide out of it and it's laying somewhere in my old comp)). Lore/Storyline is event based, even though quests will give you some external insights. You get a more condensed storyline than WoW, group-based advancement and long cutscenes and that way, at least for ZM and CoP, unlock new content.

FF XIV is a mix of daily-like-WoWesque-quest and FFXI-like-grinding. Otherwise it is/it will be like FFXI for storylien and stuff, in my opinion.


Bunch of different MMOs right now on the market, bunch of different approaches, bunch of opinions about whichever is better than the other. Opinions stays opinions, and once again, I don't think you should mix "fruits".

EDIT: Grammar. Its midnight and english is my second language...give me a break.

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#45 Nov 25 2010 at 11:27 PM Rating: Decent
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MisterRandy wrote:
WoW and FF are 2 different game style though. I don't know why people try to compares them like apples and oranges. Mind you, you could try to press an apple for to make apple juice, it won't taste, nor be the same texture as orange.



WoW is a quest-based game. Except for high-end content and dungeon leveling, that's the way to go. WoW Lore and history comes from doing those quests and you gain knowledge of the content's lore slowly and steadily as your character approach the everchanging endgame. Unlocking new content was necessery back in the day...and soon too with Cataclysm (you're actually obligated to visit the new dungeons/raids areas in Cata to be able to PUG/Random/Go inside them)

FF XI was grind-based. You could also do it in a "quest-based" kind of way (I don't necesserly means FoV, mostly the "regular" quests(I did some kind of guide out of it and it's laying somewhere in my old comp)). Lore/Storyline is event based, even though quests will give you some external insights. You get a more condensed storyline than WoW, group-based advancement and long cutscenes and that way, at least for ZM and CoP, unlock new content.

FF XIV is a mix of daily-like-WoWesque-quest and FFXI-like-grinding. Otherwise it is/it will be like FFXI for storylien and stuff, in my opinion.


Bunch of different MMOs right now on the market, bunch of different approaches, bunch of opinions about whichever is better than the other. Opinions stays opinions, and once again, I don't think you should mix "fruits".

EDIT: Grammar. Its midnight and english is my second language...give me a break.

Edited, Nov 26th 2010 12:24am by MisterRandy

Edited, Nov 26th 2010 12:24am by MisterRandy

Edited, Nov 26th 2010 12:25am by MisterRandy

But I like apple juice in my orange juice!
#46 Nov 25 2010 at 11:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Well...I'm not here to defend FFXIV at all...but seriously, stop using WoW as a "shiny" knight who made everything right. The game launched with a sh*tload of quests...who were all completely soulless! I could count on one hand of quests who were actually telling you something worthwhile listening to. The list of Ungoro Quests you posted...half of them is "kill 10 of these, bring me 5 of those"...WoW did a massively terrible job when "bringing lore to the player"...and ffs they still do. WotLK introduced pretty much the first real story driven quests in the history of WoW...and that took them 5 years...not to mention that still 3/4 of all quests are "kill x of these, bring me Y of those"...the game had a sh*tload of bugs too btw...

2nd 2 whole raids from day one? Are you just ignoring the past? Molten Core and Onyxias Lair were just unplayable at launch...hence it took months for Blizzard to patch everything that it was at least playable to a degree where ppl were not quitting raids after a few mins. Molten Core was a no go until Decursive was made.
Not to mention Molten Core and Onys Lair were the only raids for almost a year...

Class balance of WoW was horrible and it stayed horrible until BC came out. Most talent trees were just completely useless in vanilla WoW...each class had like one spec to go...all other specs were inferior by a ton.

So...all I'm trying to say is...FFXIV launched terribly...nobody can't deny that...but ffs WoW was not doing better in any way, so stop bringin it up as the "positive" example.

edit: And what everyones seems to forget as well is...WoW is based on a world and lore that was created and build up for several years before WoW launched. They had a ton of lorewise things to add and the worls was pretty much completed before they even started developing WoW...so "content" is not that hard to implement, when you have an existing world right from the start...FFXIV is based of nothing, it started from scratch and everything that is build in, needs to be build first at all...

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#47 Nov 25 2010 at 11:30 PM Rating: Default
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I am tired of people saying there is a lack of content, you are not allowed to say this unless you have a rank 50 job. Every MMO that comes out especially at first all the content is leveling up, sure it lacks end game content but by time enough people are r50 and able to do it Ps3 version will be out cap will be raised to 75 and tons of new content will be out.
#48 Nov 25 2010 at 11:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Most the games you just mentioned didn't ship with half the content this game has. You just don't know where to look I guess. This game is comparable with wow for quest content at launch. 5ooish . WoW's were easier to get to. That's about it. IF you mention that WOW came with a raid you should, and if I see you will, be slapped. Look at when anything actually got downed for a small clue as to why. Also, No, wow didn't have 1500 quests at launch. I know you wanna say it. It didn't tho. LoRO im assuming is LOTRO... It is STILL failing from a lack of content this many years later. EQ yeah i remember the 90s too. D&D... please... just stop.

More games fail because of bugs than anything tho. Conan ROM are 2 semi recent examples. Tho conan didn't have content either. Just tits. Even with tits the bugs made people leave tho. This in a world of basement dwelling gamer virgins should tell you all you need to know.

The problem with FFXIV so far is you have to do a significant amount of progression before you see all it has to offer. There will be more, but I'm grateful that they're gonna build a solid base then add to it. If you coded you would understand why having a buggy base and then piling content doesn't work. *CoughWarhammer betaCough* That's most definitely how you fail hardcore. ****, come to think of it even WoW was bugged with real game breakers for YEARS before most got fixed.

I can't tell you you will enjoy it or that it is your thing. I can tell you that it is a FF game. It will do as FF games do. Just a matter of time.


I'm going to attempt to clear some misinformation. For WoW, pre-BC devs stated that there were well over 2k+ quests, which I'll believe as the Loremaster achievement actually has a numerical count of quests available in each vanilla zone. As for WoW raid content, it launched with the most endgame content I have ever seen in an MMORPG to this day (such that I really don't consider it the norm). UBRS was cleared with a 40man raid in December. Onyxia was downed in January (almost exactly 2 months after WoW's launch) and Ragnaros was killed in April. If I remember correctly, Blackwing Lair, the next raid dungeon, came out 2-3 months after that.

You mention Age of Conan losing subscriptions due to bugs. While that was certainly one of the reasons why they bled subscribers the main reason why people left was because of lack of content, which was a **** shame because the first 20 levels of AoC were absolutely fantastic. Warhammer Online suffered the same problem: lack of content. Warcraft didn't really have a whole lot of gamebreaking bugs that I can recall (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), it was more that their servers were imploding as they were unable to sustain the amount of players that flooded in.

I'm sort of in limbo when it comes to FFXIV right now. I logged in after my Thanksgiving dinner and played around a bit. The UI definitely felt much smoother, which is a huge plus for me. On the downside, there's nearly zero drive for me to actually "play the game"; partially because most of my LS and friends have all either temporarily or permanently quit and partially because there's really nothing to do at max level anyways. Seriously, the only reason why I didn't go insane after grinding so many Efts was because of the entertaining LS Ventrilo chat.
#49 Nov 25 2010 at 11:38 PM Rating: Good
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zoltanrs wrote:
Sethern79 wrote:
Technolust wrote:
Sidicas wrote:

I definitely agree FFXIV leaves most players expecting much more than it delivers.. The mainline quests are just too short and too far between.. By the time you get to the next segment of your mainline quest, you can't even remember what the last quest was about and right when you start getting into it, it's over.. And you have to wait 5 more levels to do the next one..


The game is less then 3 months old...lmao it's not going to have tons of content right away.


Why not? WoW shiped with tons of content. CoH shiped with tons of content. LoRO EQ2 L2 D&D online all shiped with tons of content. most mmo's fail becuse of bugs not lack of content. They fail becuse of bugs.

I am going to give FFXIV another chance when I get home. But I have a feeling its the same game. Bug/bad ui I can live with. No real story to an RPG world I can't!


Most the games you just mentioned didn't ship with half the content this game has. You just don't know where to look I guess. This game is comparable with wow for quest content at launch. 5ooish . WoW's were easier to get to. That's about it. IF you mention that WOW came with a raid you should, and if I see you will, be slapped. Look at when anything actually got downed for a small clue as to why. Also, No, wow didn't have 1500 quests at launch. I know you wanna say it. It didn't tho. LoRO im assuming is LOTRO... It is STILL failing from a lack of content this many years later. EQ yeah i remember the 90s too. D&D... please... just stop.

More games fail because of bugs than anything tho. Conan ROM are 2 semi recent examples. Tho conan didn't have content either. Just tits. Even with tits the bugs made people leave tho. This in a world of basement dwelling gamer virgins should tell you all you need to know.

The problem with FFXIV so far is you have to do a significant amount of progression before you see all it has to offer. There will be more, but I'm grateful that they're gonna build a solid base then add to it. If you coded you would understand why having a buggy base and then piling content doesn't work. *CoughWarhammer betaCough* That's most definitely how you fail hardcore. ****, come to think of it even WoW was bugged with real game breakers for YEARS before most got fixed.

I can't tell you you will enjoy it or that it is your thing. I can tell you that it is a FF game. It will do as FF games do. Just a matter of time.


Fanboi troll is trolling. I'd respond more maturely if I wasn't wildly cackling at how ridiculous this whole response is.
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#50 Nov 25 2010 at 11:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I betaed it, was severely disappointed (and I really wanted to play a cat girl too), and decided the soonest this game is going to be fixed is in 6 months to a year. Because usually a bad release, and ff14 is a bad release, takes that long to fix if it's going to happen. IMO it's way too soon for people to come back to it.

Honestly SE has been on a general downward slope for awhile now and after a lackluster ff12 and ff13 this game took me off the SE fan bus and put me on the SE isn't that great bus. They followed up DQ8 (one of the best in the series) with DQ9 which is meh at best. They can make a game look and sound pretty but that's about it.

Here are some basic problems I have with the game:
-levequests take too long until you can repeat
-crafting sucks in both how it operates, how long it takes to try and make an item, how hard it is to get what you need, and I haven't even tried selling anything because I couldn't either grind through the boredom or get the blasted crystals I needed to keep going
-It's practically 2011 and SE couldn't be bothered to include an AH
-I've got a feeling this game is based on the idea of forced socialization
-you have to pay for every bleedin' character you want to have (seriously, you pay 10 bucks a month for the game and you don't even get a single character slot, I'm afraid if someone got this for me I'd have to pay just to make a PC). At least in GW you pay $10 once and you never have to pay again.
-I heard the CC company they use charges you $3 just to sign up (what's the deal with that, so if you buy the game that's now $6 extra down the drain).
-Combat is boring and takes too long
-I still haven't forgotten about the "let's call chocobos horsebirds" thing and Mithra is a cooler name than Miqote.
-They still haven't fixed that awful patcher??? Pathetic.

Two of those things on the list are never going to be fixed, the others fixable things won't be in soon I think. Frankly I'd rather either stick to GW for the moment or play EVE if I wanted a P2P game.


EDIT: stupid patcher

Edited, Nov 26th 2010 12:44am by KingWinterclaw
#51 Nov 25 2010 at 11:42 PM Rating: Decent
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braingame wrote:
I am tired of people saying there is a lack of content, you are not allowed to say this unless you have a rank 50 job. Every MMO that comes out especially at first all the content is leveling up, sure it lacks end game content


This is a discussion for another thread, but I think that what you said is one of the big problems with MMOs these days. They mistake leveling/grind for genuine content.
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