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#52 Nov 30 2010 at 1:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm 26, so a year younger than you.

A few things:

1) I think we remember older games more fondly than newer ones. Could be cause we're jaded or because we were less critical of games in our younger years and had fewer expectations of them.

2) FFXIV hasn't been out long enough to have a lot of really strong content. For me, FFXI was fun at first but didn't really get GOOD until I started doing RoZ and CoP, which wasn't until my mid 60s.

3) Single player games are a lot easier to "draw players in" with than MMORPGs are. It's just the nature of the beast when you're writing a story around one character versus trying to write a story with multiple characters.

4) Holy crap spoilers. I mean, most people who would care know this all but a warning might be nice for anyone who hasn't :P
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#53 Nov 30 2010 at 1:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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A part of that could just be nostalgia...

When graphics were limited they had to do more to draw you into the game. Personally, music is what I relate to most in older games... Chrono trigger, secret of mana, final fantasy 3(6) and 7... any songs from them can bring me immediately back into whatever was going on in the game when they were playing... Leo dying in 3... zeal being destroyed... being kicked out of potos (that was at the start of the game, btw.) Aeris dying...

Or in a weird twist, music i listened to while playing a game can bring me back into whatever would go on in the game when I listened to a song.

When I was playing through Illusion of Gaia my sister would play "They Might Be Giants'" album "Flood" so I can't hear istanbul without thinking about angkor wat in that game. Or there is a Foo Fighters song that was always on the radio around the time I was playing through castlevania: sotn. so when i hear it now I flash back to climbing the cathedral steps...

I do have to admit that the story in ffxiv has been pretty lackluster... but i think it has more to do with pacing and poor quest layout... I do love the game's theme... and I can't hear it without thinking of the goobbue run amok in ul'dah or leviathan leaping over the boat in limsa...

But the story hasn't reached anything close to the memorable moments from 11. But at the same time... the earlier missions in 11 were pretty lame too, so we will just have to see what they do.

I won't speak to 8 or 10 or 12 since I can't muster the will to finish any of them.


I just want to say the same thing happens to me on my drive home from work when a song from Gran Turismo comes up on the radio. Nothing like actually hitting 100 mph on the freeway when "Dragula" is playing!
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i am not getting younger.. 3 gonna meet 0 next year (guess my age -_- ).

my first RPG was FF 6 ..played it when it was out(10 plus yrs ago?? can't remember)... that was the first RPG that got me hook on RPG...the story revolving around edgar, sabin, locke, celest,shadow,terra,cyan,gau,setza,mog,umaro,gogo and the all funny strago and relm was epic...and the annoying laughter that kafka make...still feel like punching him in his sorry face...

i played thru alot of RPG games like mother,suikoden,YS,shining force,inido, breath of fire,romancing saga, secret of mana, chrono trigger, valkrie profile,DQ,lufia,legend of zelda, FF, phantasy star,buck roger,terriganma, tales of phantasia series, bahamut lagoon,orge battle and alot more...

i still enjoy thinking back those plots, those endless hours of trying to get every thing in the game, owning the boss...or letting them own me...

i enjoy all of the RPG that i played.. all those plot... it like reading a book.. it just that it is visually imprint into you and you are involved...be it good or bad...new or old...

and to T/S... ya i got what you mean... it hard for me to find a game nowadays which can come close to my heart... maybe it is just me..

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#55 Dec 01 2010 at 1:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Ostia wrote:
Kachi wrote:
I know the feeling, and sometimes I wonder if I just don't enjoy these games anymore due to the hedonic adaptation (when things you enjoyed when they were relatively new become less enjoyable due to increasing familiarity, as in the case of cliches). And then I wonder if it isn't just poor implementation, because I see the flaws and I can envision solutions.

So at the risk of derailing a bit, does anyone have any recommendations for us older folks who have played many of the classics? e.g., excluding obvious titles like FF series and ChronoTrigger.

I'm thinking mostly of newer titles, because quality JRPGs in particular seem to be a dying breed. But I haven't tried that many-- I just see the decline in my enjoyment of SE titles and in the back of my mind have to imagine that if SE isn't doing it right, no one else is.


Xenogears (Best games hands down ever)
Ogre battle Tactics, Knight of lodis, Ogre battle 64 (Psx,)
Infinite Space (Ds)
Suikoden 1-2-3-5(hated IV and 2 and 5 are pretty close in epicnes)
Lufia 2
Breath of Fire 2-3
Tales of Phantasia, Tales of abyss, Tales of vesperia
Lost Oddessy
Legend of legaia
Legend of Dragon
Secret of mana 1-2
Romancing saga 3 (And the one for the PS2 the bard one is pretty good pretty old school)
Vanguard Bandits
Lunar 1-2
Star ocean 1-2(PSP remakes and 3)
Front mission 1-3-4-5
Behamut lagoon
Tresures of Rudra

Those games are all pretty solid Rpg's


I wanted to add Persona 3 & 4. Not everyone loves them and they are kind of quirky, but they are among my favorites.
#56 Dec 01 2010 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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Calispel wrote:
Ostia wrote:
Kachi wrote:
I know the feeling, and sometimes I wonder if I just don't enjoy these games anymore due to the hedonic adaptation (when things you enjoyed when they were relatively new become less enjoyable due to increasing familiarity, as in the case of cliches). And then I wonder if it isn't just poor implementation, because I see the flaws and I can envision solutions.

So at the risk of derailing a bit, does anyone have any recommendations for us older folks who have played many of the classics? e.g., excluding obvious titles like FF series and ChronoTrigger.

I'm thinking mostly of newer titles, because quality JRPGs in particular seem to be a dying breed. But I haven't tried that many-- I just see the decline in my enjoyment of SE titles and in the back of my mind have to imagine that if SE isn't doing it right, no one else is.


Xenogears (Best games hands down ever)
Ogre battle Tactics, Knight of lodis, Ogre battle 64 (Psx,)
Infinite Space (Ds)
Suikoden 1-2-3-5(hated IV and 2 and 5 are pretty close in epicnes)
Lufia 2
Breath of Fire 2-3
Tales of Phantasia, Tales of abyss, Tales of vesperia
Lost Oddessy
Legend of legaia
Legend of Dragon
Secret of mana 1-2
Romancing saga 3 (And the one for the PS2 the bard one is pretty good pretty old school)
Vanguard Bandits
Lunar 1-2
Star ocean 1-2(PSP remakes and 3)
Front mission 1-3-4-5
Behamut lagoon
Tresures of Rudra

Those games are all pretty solid Rpg's


I wanted to add Persona 3 & 4. Not everyone loves them and they are kind of quirky, but they are among my favorites.


An absolutely amazing rpg is Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. I have it on my 360 and have replayed it 6 times or so now. I'll go a year w/out playing and then start a new char and roll through it. The expansions for it are amazing!
The graphics are jaw-dropping!! The quests are phenomenal and fun, especially the entire Thieves Guild quest line!
It won so many awards the year it was released.
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#57 Dec 01 2010 at 2:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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As a real old ****** who played prob one of the first "MMOs" with the Bristol Uni MUD - FOD spells / extortionate PSS lines and all the rest of it, I'm still just waiting for FFXIV to prove its potential.

One thing I think SE have now learned is that they can't ignore their fanbase - so kudos to them for that, Pity they didn't think of that a few years ago when they were nerfing FFXI classes left right and centre, and then "un-nerf" them a few years later to please the masses...



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#58 Dec 01 2010 at 3:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Calispel wrote:
Ostia wrote:
Kachi wrote:
I know the feeling, and sometimes I wonder if I just don't enjoy these games anymore due to the hedonic adaptation (when things you enjoyed when they were relatively new become less enjoyable due to increasing familiarity, as in the case of cliches). And then I wonder if it isn't just poor implementation, because I see the flaws and I can envision solutions.

So at the risk of derailing a bit, does anyone have any recommendations for us older folks who have played many of the classics? e.g., excluding obvious titles like FF series and ChronoTrigger.

I'm thinking mostly of newer titles, because quality JRPGs in particular seem to be a dying breed. But I haven't tried that many-- I just see the decline in my enjoyment of SE titles and in the back of my mind have to imagine that if SE isn't doing it right, no one else is.


Xenogears (Best games hands down ever)
Ogre battle Tactics, Knight of lodis, Ogre battle 64 (Psx,)
Infinite Space (Ds)
Suikoden 1-2-3-5(hated IV and 2 and 5 are pretty close in epicnes)
Lufia 2
Breath of Fire 2-3
Tales of Phantasia, Tales of abyss, Tales of vesperia
Lost Oddessy
Legend of legaia
Legend of Dragon
Secret of mana 1-2
Romancing saga 3 (And the one for the PS2 the bard one is pretty good pretty old school)
Vanguard Bandits
Lunar 1-2
Star ocean 1-2(PSP remakes and 3)
Front mission 1-3-4-5
Behamut lagoon
Tresures of Rudra

Those games are all pretty solid Rpg's


I wanted to add Persona 3 & 4. Not everyone loves them and they are kind of quirky, but they are among my favorites.


Ah yeah, persona 2,3 & 4 are very solid game's, i would say Vandal Heart's 1 & 2 where also very good Rpg's tho they are more like FFT/OGT in gameplay
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ThinkDeeply wrote:
Calispel wrote:
Ostia wrote:
Kachi wrote:
I know the feeling, and sometimes I wonder if I just don't enjoy these games anymore due to the hedonic adaptation (when things you enjoyed when they were relatively new become less enjoyable due to increasing familiarity, as in the case of cliches). And then I wonder if it isn't just poor implementation, because I see the flaws and I can envision solutions.

So at the risk of derailing a bit, does anyone have any recommendations for us older folks who have played many of the classics? e.g., excluding obvious titles like FF series and ChronoTrigger.

I'm thinking mostly of newer titles, because quality JRPGs in particular seem to be a dying breed. But I haven't tried that many-- I just see the decline in my enjoyment of SE titles and in the back of my mind have to imagine that if SE isn't doing it right, no one else is.


Xenogears (Best games hands down ever)
Ogre battle Tactics, Knight of lodis, Ogre battle 64 (Psx,)
Infinite Space (Ds)
Suikoden 1-2-3-5(hated IV and 2 and 5 are pretty close in epicnes)
Lufia 2
Breath of Fire 2-3
Tales of Phantasia, Tales of abyss, Tales of vesperia
Lost Oddessy
Legend of legaia
Legend of Dragon
Secret of mana 1-2
Romancing saga 3 (And the one for the PS2 the bard one is pretty good pretty old school)
Vanguard Bandits
Lunar 1-2
Star ocean 1-2(PSP remakes and 3)
Front mission 1-3-4-5
Behamut lagoon
Tresures of Rudra

Those games are all pretty solid Rpg's


I wanted to add Persona 3 & 4. Not everyone loves them and they are kind of quirky, but they are among my favorites.


An absolutely amazing rpg is Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. I have it on my 360 and have replayed it 6 times or so now. I'll go a year w/out playing and then start a new char and roll through it. The expansions for it are amazing!
The graphics are jaw-dropping!! The quests are phenomenal and fun, especially the entire Thieves Guild quest line!
It won so many awards the year it was released.


Three things:

1) Oblivion isn't really a JRPG :) but I agree that it's awesome.

2) If you like Oblivion, you should try Morrowind (its predecessor; older graphics but same world and lore) or Fallout 3/Fallout New Vegas (same type of game but in a different world setting).

3) Those types of games are almost always better on PC for the sole reason of mods. Plus, I'm a cheating *******, so console as well.

Also, I'm glad to see Lunar on that list (Lunar Silver Star Harmony for the PSP is highly advised if you weren't able to play Silver Star Story or Silver Star Story complete on their original systems before Working Designs went out of business. Eternal Blue Complete (Lunar 2) is semi-affordable on PS1. Man, I loved Lunar.

Loser points: I went as Ghaleon to Otakon 2004. My first attempt at ever making a costume, so it didn't turn out great, but it was good enough that I got recognized. You might still be able to find photos of me floating around on the interwebs. There was a girl who also cosplayed Ghaleon that same year; I think her costume looked a lot better than mine overall.
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Loser points: I went as Ghaleon to Otakon 2004. My first attempt at ever making a costume, so it didn't turn out great, but it was good enough that I got recognized. You might still be able to find photos of me floating around on the interwebs. There was a girl who also cosplayed Ghaleon that same year; I think her costume looked a lot better than mine overall.


I think this was it. Mikhalia? I also can't remember if you were the one on the left or right. Smiley: lol

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#61 Dec 01 2010 at 3:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Geffe the Meaningless wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Loser points: I went as Ghaleon to Otakon 2004. My first attempt at ever making a costume, so it didn't turn out great, but it was good enough that I got recognized. You might still be able to find photos of me floating around on the interwebs. There was a girl who also cosplayed Ghaleon that same year; I think her costume looked a lot better than mine overall.


I think this was it. Mikhalia?


Yeah. That was taken much later in the afternoon, after I had gone and sweated off most of my cheap face paint. Also, she has a bit of a derp face going on in that pic too.

EDIT: I'm the one on the left; the one with the ******** costome and the completely out of place sword that doesn't match my costume. I'm still not sure why I had that. Actually, that's a lie; I didn't feel like making one and so I grabbed a ****** one that didn't look right with the costume at all.

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#62 Dec 01 2010 at 3:52 PM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
EDIT: I'm the one on the left; the one with the sh*ttier costome and the completely out of place sword that doesn't match my costume. I'm still not sure why I had that. Actually, that's a lie; I didn't feel like making one and so I grabbed a sh*tty one that didn't look right with the costume at all.


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#63 Dec 01 2010 at 4:20 PM Rating: Good
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Hrmm. I've always wanted to get into Lunar, some of the other Phantasy Star games, and the older Dragon Quest games.

I remember wanting to play a game called Arc the Lad, but it was only released in Japan. :(

Oh and Wild Arms was good (at the time) too, the anime cutscenes were pretty good. And so was the music. Inspired by Elmer Bernstein; western themed.
#64 Dec 01 2010 at 4:22 PM Rating: Good
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Kierk wrote:
Hrmm. I've always wanted to get into Lunar, some of the other Phantasy Star games, and the older Dragon Quest games.

I remember wanting to play a game called Arc the Lad, but it was only released in Japan. :(

Oh and Wild Arms was good (at the time) too, the anime cutscenes were pretty good. And so was the music. Inspired by Elmer Bernstein; western themed.


Arc the Lad is available in the US; it's really hard to find, but it's there. I actually bought Arc the Lad for PS1 and PS2. I've never played either and don't remember which games I even have; I just remember seeing them and buying them because I had heard that they were really good and that they were really rare.

As for Lunar, play 1 and then 2. Don't play them backwards. Ditto for Chrino Trigger and then Chrono Cross.
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#65 Dec 01 2010 at 4:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Kierk wrote:
Hrmm. I've always wanted to get into Lunar, some of the other Phantasy Star games, and the older Dragon Quest games.

I remember wanting to play a game called Arc the Lad, but it was only released in Japan. :(

Oh and Wild Arms was good (at the time) too, the anime cutscenes were pretty good. And so was the music. Inspired by Elmer Bernstein; western themed.


Arc the Lad is available in the US; it's really hard to find, but it's there. I actually bought Arc the Lad for PS1 and PS2. I've never played either and don't remember which games I even have; I just remember seeing them and buying them because I had heard that they were really good and that they were really rare.

As for Lunar, play 1 and then 2. Don't play them backwards. Ditto for Chrino Trigger and then Chrono Cross.


I actually bough arc the lad collection on release date, that trilogy is awesome, IMO they are games that are very underrated, they have a deep storyline, a lot of character development, and are very well done, Arc the lad 1 will feel very old, but just beat it quick, so you can use your save in arc the lad 2 and then on 3.

As for Wild Arms(One of my favorite series) it was a masterpiece when the game came out, the music is epic, the storyline was epic, the amount of sidequest it had was good(For its time atleast) plus they had boomerang. Wild Arms 2 is i think the better game out of all of them, while part 3 is more of a going back to part 1 kind of, the other 2 i dunno i never beat them, but for as far as i got in 5, they where also kinda going back to the series roots.

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#66 Dec 01 2010 at 5:05 PM Rating: Decent
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2 is probably my favorite Wild Arms as well, pretty much improves upon 1 in every way. I liked 3 too, but that was the last I played. I hear 4 is good but short and a departure from the series.
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Hmm! I liked 1 more storywise, 2 was good but i probably dint liked it because i was expecting it to follow 1's storyline or a prequel of it <.<

4 was different, but it stands on its own, i liked it, dint finish it but maybe i'll give it another shot lol
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I think there is a definite difference in the final fantasy series from the old compared to the new. I think its due to the merger of Squaresoft and Enix. FF10 was the last game completely developed by Squaresoft, and i bet FF11 was being developed in the beginning by just Squaresoft. So im pretty sure the merger is ruining the series, but thats just my two cents.
#69 Dec 01 2010 at 9:46 PM Rating: Good
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Well, this turned into a nostalgia thread fast :)
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It annoys me (no offense to those in this thread personally, but you did annoy me) when people attribute nostalgia as the catch-all substitute for quality in any game over 5 yrs old.

Honestly, I remember the first time I played (insert game here; list to follow)* and I remember how I felt. How I soaked in the characters and the story and the environment and the pacing and the progression and the grinding. I remember DISTINCTLY how it felt and I can honestly and easily say that I RARELY (if at all) feel that way about a game. So I'm telling you (for me specifically) it is not nostalgia, but my age (in particular) may have a lot to do with it. I'm not a kid in a candy store anymore and I've turned into quite the cynic - so age of player would be what I might accept as an answer, but not fond memories of yesteryear.

*FF, FFIV. FFVI, FFVII, FFIX, Xenogears, Chrono Trigger, Super Mario 3, Super Mario World, Ico, Shadow of Colossus - the list goes on of games over the years that have actually "struck" me and others that I just played and left on the wayside of history - and most of those games (on & off the list) weren't in the last decade.
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hehe, you guys are making me feel all nostalgic. Talking about all these games coupled with the recent Distant Worlds concert over the weekend, it really makes me remember all these games. Thumbs up everyone
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You must have nostalgia confused with rose-tinted glasses Kirutaru
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I just wish we had a few boss battles by now, especially by Rank 20. In XI, we'd have killed a giant dragon along with a few Beastmen mid-bosses(quest NMs) by now. How can you have Uematsu compose for the game, and not have at least one boss fight early on lol. Seriously though, if the game had more in the way of quests or chain quests with mini storylines...or even party based story battles, that would help.

Being able to do certain missions solo is fine and all, but with the supposed danger from nearby beastmen and the Garlean empire...you'd think we'd have done abit more by now.
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#74 Dec 01 2010 at 11:31 PM Rating: Good
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I just don't like when people try to negate an opinion by saying "nostalgia!" clause.

The only one that's worse is when someone says "That's just your opinion." <- I feel like I'm in a day and age when people can't figure out the difference between facts and opinions (both of which are relative anyway) and so they blurt it out like it's contradictory to the statement.

I can say FFVII is the best FF. I don't need to say "in my opinion" nor do I need the next person to tell me. The statement is an opinion statement.

Just 2 pet peeves of mine.

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I can say I believe games 2000-2010 (all around, not just SE) are not as good (quality) as 1990-2000.
It's not based on nostalgia. Nostalgia is wishing you could be at a different time or place when you were happier. It's true I was happier with those games, but I can still play them! and I still think they're better. The only exception is gameplay (due to clunky controls, like FFVII or NES Mario Bros) and graphics which is superficial (to me). I think VII was a gem in its day but I can't even play it now because I'm so used to better controls. Updating the controls (adding analog stick, really) would fix this for me.

Anyway, when I say FF1 is better than FF12, it's not nostalgia talking. You can think it is but I know how I feel and what I like and it's not because I wish for a return to "glory days."
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#75 Dec 01 2010 at 11:37 PM Rating: Good
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I just wish we had a few boss battles by now, especially by Rank 20. In XI, we'd have killed a giant dragon along with a few Beastmen mid-bosses(quest NMs) by now. How can you have Uematsu compose for the game, and not have at least one boss fight early on lol. Seriously though, if the game had more in the way of quests or chain quests with mini storylines...or even party based story battles, that would help.


I agree with this whole-heartedly. I like the part where they said "You can even link leves together to build an epic campaign!" That's one of my favorite promotional lines. I told my wife & best friend my paraphrase: "You can get some friends and do your leves + their leves together! It will be epic! not." Lo and behold it's exactly as I thought. I love when devs say dumb stuff like that. Using buzz words like "epic" to describe a mundane grind. lol

It needs some kind of quest chain, some sequence and consequence - the story itself is good but its so far and few between. It really does need the Star Onion Brigade (and what have you) to add to the plot as stand alone side-quests. It's really shooting itself in the foot without this and without epic fights.

My R20 Conjurer quest had me kill a bunch of wolves that I 1-shot. I killed the Alpha only healing myself 1x. That's the opposite of epic. That's sad.
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#76 Dec 02 2010 at 12:08 AM Rating: Default
games these days dont seem to have the appeal of older generation games. back then it was all story and character development, graphics were as good as they could be for the time and it was good.

newer games are all about looks and itisdissapoint. while i understood the plot of XIII i didnt really enjoy the game as much as i thought i would. first off, and deadhorse alert, way too linear. i want to be able to stop ina nearby town and do sidequests at my leasure and just explore the world. combat was fun but no real strategy involved, buff, debuff, stagger, heal on occasion, kill.

also just wanna add that i havent seen anyone mention FF: tactics, great game if you havent played it.

as far as other older RPG's go, The legend of dragoon is by far my all time favorite game of all time, ive never played a game with a better..... well everything, the plot, characters, and combat system were all so amazing, i wish this game were on the PSN so i could play it again.

also worthy of note, and these are only games i have played:

legend of legaia
front mission 3 and 4
lost odyssey
the last remnant
kingdom hearts 1 and 2
grandia 3

edit: also want to add the .hack series

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#77 Dec 02 2010 at 12:14 AM Rating: Good
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Actually I just admitted to my brother that NIS has become my favorite developer (and a decent publisher) in an absence of one (since I lost faith in SE around FF12 and nailed that coffin shut with FF13).

I am not "blinded" by my nostalgia for sprites. I just appreciate their characters, their brand of humor, their recurring jokes, the recurring cameo appearances, the battle systems, the tons and tons of optional content and hours upon mind numbing hour of grinding (if I choose to do so, which I often do - depends on the game).

Their games are often hit or miss with me - but usually only applies to "post game." I liked Makai Kingdom (for example) but I couldn't get into the post-game cause it didn't "grab" me as much as Disgaea (1) and Phantom Brave.

All around, though, I have moved on and I appreciate a company which is constantly slapped with "Game would be great if the graphics didn't suck" reviews. News flash: Graphics aren't what make a game great.
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#78 Dec 02 2010 at 12:16 AM Rating: Good
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You should play Grandia (1) if you like 3.

Assuming you can handle the dated graphics and gameplay issues. ^^
I really can't recommend Grandia 2, though. Grandia (1) is one of my favorite games of its era.
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#79 Dec 02 2010 at 5:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Man, it's great to meet some people from the older generation.
Especially those who have the same tastes as me and can look at games critically instead of turning everything into a flame.

I agree with most of you, FFXIV is still an infant, it has potential, let's be patient and see what it turns in to.

Also the games some of you guys mentioned which I forgot all about.

Xenogears - Dude...ID's music?! The ultimate bad ***, Fei being ID?! oh...my....god....
Front Mission 3 - Hmmmm....this was hit and miss, honestly I wasn't so interested in the story, but LOVED doing up my Wanzers, there were so many things you could customize !
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When I was a teenager - Xenogears was to mind-blowing as Chrono Trigger was to ridiculous fun.

I never played the Xenosaga games (I was **** hurt on his behalf that Square and the lead couldn't work out a way to let him finish his work when Xenogears was one of the best PS1 games ever made). I don't know much about them - so those games aside, I always wondered why (J)RPG strayed away from the combat system of Xenogears which was ... pretty original and certainly nothing like that since - maybe Jade Empire in a dumbed down way.
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#81 Dec 02 2010 at 5:10 AM Rating: Decent
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You should play Grandia (1) if you like 3.

Assuming you can handle the dated graphics and gameplay issues. ^^
I really can't recommend Grandia 2, though. Grandia (1) is one of my favorite games of its era.


<.< Grandia 2 was epic, the music, the characters, and melfice!!!
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#82 Dec 02 2010 at 5:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Junghwa wrote:
Man, it's great to meet some people from the older generation.
Especially those who have the same tastes as me and can look at games critically instead of turning everything into a flame.

I agree with most of you, FFXIV is still an infant, it has potential, let's be patient and see what it turns in to.

Also the games some of you guys mentioned which I forgot all about.

Xenogears - Dude...ID's music?! The ultimate bad ***, Fei being ID?! oh...my....god....
Front Mission 3 - Hmmmm....this was hit and miss, honestly I wasn't so interested in the story, but LOVED doing up my Wanzers, there were so many things you could customize !


It's not so much that FFXIV is an infant as much as it's a Fetus! Really the game launched the way it did cause SE dint give a **** period.

As for Xenogears! Yes Id's music as epic, also Grahf's was pretty awesome too
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#83 Dec 02 2010 at 5:16 AM Rating: Good
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<.< Grandia 2 was epic, the music, the characters, and melfice!!!


I didn't mean to imply it wasn't worthy.

I simply didn't play it beyond the first 10-15 minutes.
It was stolen shortly after I started it in a (childish) divorce.

Bitter memory keeps me from re-playing it. Same with Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire.

(Fortunately I did get/play Emerald though).
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#84 Dec 03 2010 at 3:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have been reading all the posts from you young whippersnappers. Let me tell you old.

My first game console was an Atari 1200
My first PC was an Atari 800
My first games was Pong
My first RPG was Ultima. <Liesure Suite Larry was too riaque>
I actually learned how to navigate in a PC using DOS.
I have played almost every RPG that has came out. The one thing I have learned is that things change, usually for the better, in gaming. Unfortunately this does not apply to Square since they became SE. In the past, while there where improvements in graphics their most compelling attraction was their innovative content. This changed after FFIX. Since then they have been completely enamored with the technical aspects of gaming, especially graphics. I do not know if they have have had a new idea since IX. I see so many carryovers from XI that I want to call XIV XIa. Hopefully with their new found openness they will read these posts and others and return to doing the things that made their RPGs enjoyable.

P.S. for those who ask I am 63 and retired. <don't feel a day over 43>. I still onjoy video games.

Edited, Dec 3rd 2010 5:06am by Rizon538
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I have been reading all the posts from you young whippersnappers. Let me tell you old.

My first game console was an Atari 1200
My first PC was an Atari 800
My first games was Pong
My first RPG was Ultima. <Liesure Suite Larry was too riaque>
I actually learned how to navigate in a PC using DOS.
I have played almost every RPG that has came out. The one thing I have learned is that things change, usually for the better, in gaming. Unfortunately this does not apply to Square since they became SE. In the past, while there where improvements in graphics their most compelling attraction was their innovative content. This changed after FFIX. Since then they have been completely enamored with the technical aspects of gaming, especially graphics. I do not know if they have have had a new idea since IX. I see so many carryovers from XI that I want to call XIV XIa. Hopefully with their new found openness they will read these posts and others and return to doing the things that made their RPGs enjoyable.

P.S. for those who ask I am 63 and retired. <don't feel a day over 43>. I still onjoy video games.

Apologize forthe double post. P/C glitch

Edited, Dec 3rd 2010 4:56am by Rizon538
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I agree that XIV is too young to judge. When XI first came out it had a lot of work to do also. It turned into my all time favorite, but I was saying some of these same statements then. So I am sure they will be adding content as we go. :) Hopefully sooner than later.

I am also an older gamer. (33 in Jan.) I'll be right there with Rizon. :p Playing ALL the time when I can retire. :)
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#87 Dec 03 2010 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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I think one problem with Character development / Story in newer games is just like movies, most angles of story and Development have already been done, so newer games might try a new aspect of an old story. Sometimes they do really well, sometimes it just seems so over done.
FFVI (favorite FF) Yeah! I get to kill Kefka... WTF? the world gets destroyed.... and Its only half over... EXCELLENT!
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P.S. for those who ask I am 63 and retired. <don't feel a day over 43>. I still onjoy video games.


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FFX was interesting. FFVII was crazy. But by far, XI takes the thundermelon pie for its character and plot development. Heck, the sense of accomplishment in getting certain gears was great- I refer to the hours and hours I spent crying in the temple of uggelepih, searching for a coffer. But I got that armor.

And I watched a goblin child die for his hope to have peace between beastmen and the other 5 races.

I helped overthrow a nefarious scheme to kill all "inferior" sentient species, and witness a woman sacrifice herself to ensure my victory.

I discovered the secrets of the strange buildings and "bones" that stretch across Vana'diel.

I'll never hate and love a tarutaru more than Dr. Shantotto, who made me laugh my **** off many times, while also giving me ridiculous errands to run.

And how could I forget that gang of onion taru kids (don't remember what it was called)? I will always cherish my <Fake Mustache>.

I /really/ hope that as FFXIV evolves, it will come to life just as FFXI did. I'll simply have to wait and hope, and quit, if it fails =(

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Oh and Wild Arms was good (at the time) too, the anime cutscenes were pretty good. And so was the music.


Oh gosh, Wild Arms for the win! I loved that game when it came out; I replayed it six months ago and still loved it. Nice turn-based combat, interactive over-world, great music, charming, coherent story, and pretty sprites. What more do you need?

Bah, now I want to replay it again, thanks a lot. >:[
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#91 Dec 06 2010 at 2:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Is FFXIV not as touching as FFXI?
Mind you, i'm not talking only about FFXIV, It's generally about all the newer Final Fantasy's.

I'm 27 years old and I've played a lot of Final Fantasy's, a lot of them had some really touching moments;

Final Fantasy IV:
When Cecil turns into a PLD, when Pollum/Proum die

Final Fantasy VI:
When Terra finds out shes a 'esther'?, Each time Shadow pops up, when Sabins family dies.

Final Fantasy VII:
When you meet Sephiroth, When Aeris dies, when you fight the weapons, when nanaki finds out the truth about his dad (too many to mention here)

Final fantasy VIII:
When you fight your first summon (Ifrit?) The music in those caves, Time travelling, going into space, getting frustrated at Squall not confessing his love.

Final Fantasy X:
Zanarkand...ZANARKAND! But...that's about it for me.

Final Fantasy XI:
Getting lost in Sarutabaruta, Using skillchains, Getting Sky, Sea etc, Getting required level for new gear/weapons.

I played these games years ago and these moments still stick with me, with the newer FF's though, FFXII, FFXIII, FFXIV it doesn't feel as touching.

Maybe it's age, maybe it's quality, I'm not sure.

What are your thoughts and opinions on this?


Do you know the only difference between then and now? SE had an extra S back then and one less E. Ya I may be making it out to be more than it really is but since SS merged they have not made a 'great' game
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#92 Dec 06 2010 at 2:12 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm totally in agreement. ^^ FFXI will always stick with me and for me every MMO after will be compared to it.
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Rizon538 wrote:
I have been reading all the posts from you young whippersnappers. Let me tell you old.

My first game console was an Atari 1200
My first PC was an Atari 800
My first games was Pong
My first RPG was Ultima. <Liesure Suite Larry was too riaque>
I actually learned how to navigate in a PC using DOS.
I have played almost every RPG that has came out. The one thing I have learned is that things change, usually for the better, in gaming. Unfortunately this does not apply to Square since they became SE. In the past, while there where improvements in graphics their most compelling attraction was their innovative content. This changed after FFIX. Since then they have been completely enamored with the technical aspects of gaming, especially graphics. I do not know if they have have had a new idea since IX. I see so many carryovers from XI that I want to call XIV XIa. Hopefully with their new found openness they will read these posts and others and return to doing the things that made their RPGs enjoyable.

P.S. for those who ask I am 63 and retired. <don't feel a day over 43>. I still onjoy video games.

Edited, Dec 3rd 2010 5:06am by Rizon538


I loved this post! My first gaming system was the TI99-4A Home computer. This is back before computer monitors existed and you had to hook it up to your television (I think that is right). My first game on that was Chess, I believe. Then I got a Coleco Vision with games like Q-Bert, Donkey Kong, the infamous Zaxxon, etc. I also got the atari expansion module for the Coleco Vision so I could play Space Invaders, Missile Command, etc. But
Zelda was the game that changed my life forever. It is because of that game that to this day, I am still playing RPG's. That, along with Dragon Warrior 1, was how my life became shaped, to this very day.
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What about ffxiii when hope confronts snow about his mom's death awesome scene.

Or when Sazh confronts Vanille right before gaining his Eidolon.

Losts of ppl hate on FFxiii but I think those are the ones that wanted to explore more than a good story.

Oh well to each their own.


I have to agree. FF13 definitely had some memorable "holy $h!+" moments. And, I'll try to not to spoil anything here for people who haven't played yet, but when you finally get Vanille back to her home village... that was pretty heart wrenching. There were a few places there where I would just stand there and soak in what was going on.


Overall though, I'd have to agree that the RPG genre in general is losing its touch. There were plenty of games that even the opening cutscene alone would draw you in. But many games these days... I just don't know what it is... obnoxious characters, boring stories... theres definitely a lull happening.
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#95 Dec 06 2010 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
You left out FFIX, at the end, when Zidane goes back to save his brother Kuja. That got me. Also, the end of X had lots of touching moments-- Tidus fighting Jecht as Sin, Tidus disappearing into the ether.
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I never meant to imply that the nostalgia I feel toward older games meant they were lacking in quality. Personally, I have been aware of a trend that as graphics become more complicated, things I remember fondly about games I used to play are being marginalized to make room for better visuals. And retrospectively it makes me admire what was accomplished with such limited means.

The SNES, even though it was limited to MIDI sound, had remarkably well done music and sound, the composers for some of my favorite games did phenomenal things. There are very few sounds tracks for games now that strike me the same way as the music from chrono trigger or secret of mana, but those games are so memorable because of the entire ensemble that was the game. The story tied to the characters tied to the music.

I think that the feeling of cynicism or being jaded comes from how off kilter the technological progression for games has been. I feel that every aspect of games should be growing and becoming better when really it just seems like the only thing that improves are the visuals, often to the detriment of other things.

Watching Chrono disintegrate during that first confrontation with lavos in chrono trigger, or learning all the back story for Glenn and Cyrus, or Robo... all draw you in... I can't hear Frog's theme without being reminded of his personal story from the game...

If you were to play me the music from final fantasy 13 where Whatever her name is gets turned into a crystal... I probably couldn't even tell you that it was from final fantasy 13... I might be able to hazard a guess that it was from A Final Fantasy game, but I doubt I could say which one or what was going on in the game when it plays.

The song that plays in the background when you are doing Ul'dah main story missions sounds so much like a song from final fantasy 7 that I actually felt the need to play through ff7 again.

That is the magic that most games don't possess anymore. It is nostalgia... but it hardly means the games I remember were lacking quality, or that I am somehow remembering them as better than they really are.
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Final Fantasy went from being a series primarily concerned with telling a story to a series that's primarily concerned with pulling in big numbers of sales via watered down stories and generic characters that appeal to the widest audience possible.

Edited, Dec 6th 2010 7:59pm by ghosthacked
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ghosthacked wrote:
Final Fantasy went from being a series primarily concerned with telling a story to a series that's primarily concerned with pulling in big numbers of sales via watered down stories and generic characters that appeal to the widest audience possible.

Edited, Dec 6th 2010 7:59pm by ghosthacked


That is true with gaming in general today, not just SE
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ghosthacked wrote:
Final Fantasy went from being a series primarily concerned with telling a story to a series that's primarily concerned with pulling in big numbers of sales via watered down stories and generic characters that appeal to the widest audience possible.

Edited, Dec 6th 2010 7:59pm by ghosthacked


That is true with gaming in general today, not just SE


I can't rate the two of you up hard enough.
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ghosthacked wrote:
Final Fantasy went from being a series primarily concerned with telling a story to a series that's primarily concerned with pulling in big numbers of sales via watered down stories and generic characters that appeal to the widest audience possible.

Edited, Dec 6th 2010 7:59pm by ghosthacked


tylerbee wrote:
ghosthacked wrote:
Final Fantasy went from being a series primarily concerned with telling a story to a series that's primarily concerned with pulling in big numbers of sales via watered down stories and generic characters that appeal to the widest audience possible.

Edited, Dec 6th 2010 7:59pm by ghosthacked


That is true with gaming in general today, not just SE


My bad i tho you said western instead of wider lol

i agree then

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Yeah... Activision doesn't even bother to hide the fact that all they care about is cranking out crap titles as fast as possible. Games are big business now... and when your goal is profit, quality takes a back seat. As long as people are willing to line up every year for Call of duty and Halo it really isn't going to change.
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