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#1 Nov 27 2010 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
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This has probably been posted before, I didn't go through all the post before. So if it has, just point me towards it, that would be appreciated.

I'm new to the game, didn't play much during OB, just got it to see what it was like from OB to the Nov patch.

Now on to my question, is crafting necessary to get armor completely? Do mobs drop any armor, I know you can get some from guildleve quest, but I never seem to get those. So is the only way to achieve getting armor, weapons, and so on from crafting? Because if so that kinda sucks.

I despise crafting, I find it rather boring. I tried to do it, but it just gets on my nerves. It seems to take a lot of items just to make one item. Was gonna try for some Hand to Hand weapons for my Pugilist. Yeah to make one item I gotta level an alchemist up to 14, then another class up to a certain level and so on. All this for like a level 6 item. Seriously, that is pretty fail.

There is no search function at the moment for searching for gear from retainers, and going from bazaar to bazaar takes forever. And some of the prices are ridiculous.

So am I out of luck and will have to craft or is there hope yet to get gear?

Sorry for the rant it seems, and thanks for the help in advance.
#2 Nov 27 2010 at 12:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Crafting is not a requirement

HOWEVER

youll find your life is easier in the game if you do also craft in addition to other things


as far as prices, while they do seem rediculous on some stuff, one thing to remember, alot of those prices are high because the people selling the crafters the materials, have set the materials at a rediculous high price.

money isnt an issue in this game anyway, you should be making more then enough off selling shards if you are not a crafter. if you are somehow still always broke after selling what you farm while leveling...something is seriously wrong with you.

Just a note, shards go for 200 each, average, you can get 0-12 per fight, that adds up real quick.
Crystals can drop 0-6 per fight also, those sell upwards of 2-4k each....

as i said, if you arent making money, you have issues by saying everything cost too much as a battlecraft
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#3 Nov 27 2010 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
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I'll sell my crystals and see what I can get, but I refuse to overpay for an item just because I can, that is partially the problem, people have the money so they over pay for items. I saw it in FFXI and it is happening here.

But I don't think I have issues when I see a pair of 19 weapons going for 100k, that is sad. I can see maybe 50k, but 100k, or I've seen it for more actually. That is wrong. Come on now, have we got so greedy in games that everything must be in the hundreds of thousands or more. Just because money is easy to make, or easier to make than FFXI doesn't mean price gouging needs to go on. Yes I've seen this in other games that just started out too, and it always happens. So don't say I have issues or something is wrong with me just because I refuse to overpay for an item just because I can.

I appreciate the help, but don't insult me at the same time


Edited, Nov 27th 2010 12:12pm by DecendentMonk
#4 Nov 27 2010 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
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DecendentMonk wrote:
Haven't sold my crystals yet, just in case I did need them for a craft. But I will put them up and see what I can get out of it. I have tons so hopefully I'll be able to afford some upgraded gear.

But I don't think I have issues when I see a pair of 19 weapons going for 100k, that is sad. Come on now, have we got so greedy in games that everything must be in the hundreds of thousands or more. Just because money is easy to make, or easier to make than FFXI doesn't mean price gouging needs to go on. Yes I've seen this in other games that just started out too, and it always happens. So don't say I have issues or something is wrong with me just because I refuse to overpay for an item just because I can.

I appreciate the help, but don't insult me at the same time


some people are purely greedy on some costs of items

youll always see those who mark them up 3-4 times as much as other people are selling for


but another thing to think about, that 19 weapon...how much did it cost to make, and how much time

if it requires 15+ synths to make a final product(some actualy do btw) thatl be a good 20-30 minutes of time, time that coulda been spent leveling or something else
add in the fact of all the crystals and shards used to make each piece up til the finished product, and youd be surprised what the cost can actualy end up being to the crafter to make such a piece.



another thing to mention, it really doesnt hurt to work your crafts up little by little, i strongly suggest picking up strarter tools, and just doing local leves to level them. Youll get extra cash in the process, extra mats you can use or sell, and youll get physical exp which will benefit your fighting class

and thats another thing too, crafting greatly increases your physical level....


addition: just did some research, that level 19 pug weapon....actualy cost 88k from a NPC...so the person you saw selling it for 100k was retarded

Edited, Nov 27th 2010 10:17am by Vedis
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#5 Nov 27 2010 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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Give him a break, he's new. I'm sure he'll figure it out.

As Vedis said crystals and shards do drop off of mobs that you'll be fighting quite regularly and they can make you some good money. Crafting isn't a necessity, but it would make you're life easier as well as give you an opportunity to meet other crafters to do some co-benefit crafting. I've found that since I know several crafters and I craft myself we can easily trade items/materials or have each other synth the materials needed for items that we would like to make.

For example I have a friend that weaves and I do goldsmithing. I supply him with silver breastpins FOR FREE and he often throws me a few pieces of new gear when I need it FOR FREE. I've been working on making my crafter friends new gem chokers. I give my armorer friend the silver ingots, he synths them for me to make the silver plates I need for the chokers. I, in turn, gave him one of the chokers I made FOR FREE and synth things he asks for when he needs them, usually for free and without charging him a shard cost.

This game is about a give and take. You don't have to do absolutely everything in order to succeed, but it gives you the opportunity to do as much as you're willing to. If you don't want to craft, that's fine. I have a friend that just likes to play lancer and fish. He supplies fish to the people that cook, they give him free food. He gives his crystals to his crafting buddies, they supply free gear and weapons. If you have a system like this, the game works out very well and you spend very little money. It also doesn't require you to level absolutely everything if you don't want to.

The trick is making the connections you need to get the job done. Be willing to work with people, help them, and you'll find that nothing is out of your reach.

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I'll sell my crystals and see what I can get, but I refuse to overpay for an item just because I can, that is partially the problem, people have the money so they over pay for items. I saw it in FFXI and it is happening here.

But I don't think I have issues when I see a pair of 19 weapons going for 100k, that is sad. I can see maybe 50k, but 100k, or I've seen it for more actually. That is wrong. Come on now, have we got so greedy in games that everything must be in the hundreds of thousands or more. Just because money is easy to make, or easier to make than FFXI doesn't mean price gouging needs to go on. Yes I've seen this in other games that just started out too, and it always happens. So don't say I have issues or something is wrong with me just because I refuse to overpay for an item just because I can.

I appreciate the help, but don't insult me at the same time


As Vedis stated it takes a lot to go into each item that you're buying. I would also like to point out that 100k might have been a lot of money in FFXI, but in FFXIV it's not worth nearly as much. Also r19 isn't extremely low lvl in this game, like it was in FFXI. You're comparing apples to string pees; these games are two different games. The worst thing you can do in FFXIV is say, 'well in FFXI it was this way, therefore that's how it should be in FFXIV.' You're severally handicapping yourself when you do that.

That being said, when money is easier to make what it's actual value goes down. One gil in FFXI is not worth the same amount as it is worth in FFXIV. For the most part, people are not price gouging, they're asking for the going rate of materials and time.

Edited, Nov 27th 2010 11:29am by Joscerelle
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#6 Nov 27 2010 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Sometimes, for example, lv 7 , lv 22 weapon is cheap but lv 15 is expensive like **** because it require some ridiculous material either drop fm high lvl monster(40+) or require a very high lvl crafter to make.

#7 Nov 27 2010 at 12:32 PM Rating: Default
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crafting make it easier to repair your weapon for nothing, since most likely you'll have the loot or can make it.
items will come down thats why im not buying sh*t yetwhen theres more of each type we should have no prob.

Edited, Nov 27th 2010 1:32pm by mitmystria
#8 Nov 27 2010 at 12:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you all, and yes I can see the point of an item having a time to cost ratio, or a this many synths to one item ration. Its understandable. I think its retarded the way SE made the synthing in this game. I really do. I don't think it should take 20 synths to make one item. And have one craft level 40 to make a level 10 item. That is pure retarded right there. But I do agree a price should go with the synth itself. As you said (and I wasn't aware of that) the level 19 weapon cost 88k from NPC, yet someone was selling for 100k, that seems a wee greedy. But I'm sure there are alot that aren't like that.

I do understand this isn't FFXI, because in that game you were lucky to have 100k by level 20. It took me a good while to make my first 1mil, and I got my first I'd say 6 mil off camping HNM's. But the logic is the same. People are people, no matter where or what game they play. There is always a group that try to price gouge. It's was that way in WoW, LoTRo, VG, EQ, and so on. I've played tons of games and they are all the same, some group does it and eventually, as odd as it seems it sets the market. Because people will pay for it. I just really hope that doesn't happen here.

I'm not comparing the FFXI to FFXIV, because they are two separate games, but they have the same characteristics. A level 70 weapon may cost 20k in FFXI, that would equate to what level 30 or 35 here. So that would put a weapon here at what I'd say 175-200k. But then again I'm not gonna compare that from there to here. Takes alot more to make a weapon or armor here then it does in FFXI. The last thing I want is FFXIV to be FFXI, although it really is FFXI with better graphics. But that is for a different thread.
#9 Nov 27 2010 at 1:04 PM Rating: Good
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Is it necessary? ****, no. Is it helpful? Hells yeah.

That being said, nobody has to level a craft if they don't want to. There's tons of other people who are happy to work on that because it's what they like to do, so you just need to go out, meet them, become their very special friend and then roll in profit for the rest of your game life. You can trade your shards/crystals/gil for everything you need to outfit your Archer of Amazing and keep your stuff repaired and in good working condition.

FFXIV absolutely rewards socialization as a business model. It will also reward you for Doing It All Yourself, so you've got some choices.
#10 Nov 27 2010 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
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Crafting is about as optional as owning a car is. Technically you don't have to get one, but good luck not having it.
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