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#1 Nov 27 2010 at 2:52 PM Rating: Sub-Default
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Lots of Botters now since the patch like they are enboldened there are the same people 24/7 in caves we report them and they are still there.

Is SE even checking RMT reports?
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#2 Nov 27 2010 at 3:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Not to rain on your soapbox or anything, but don't expect mass ban waves until the game is in the black financially.
It's just not feasible to take the risk of accidentally banning a legitimate player or two along with the hundreds of botters until the game is making a profit (i.e. once the free trial extensions end.)
#3 Nov 27 2010 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Honestly, who cares? In my experience, caves are only decent sp for solo grinding. Leves are where it's at right now, and botters can't take your leve targets. Also, it's not like gil buyers would have any significant advantage in this game anyway, gil is so easy to come by.
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#4 Nov 27 2010 at 3:56 PM Rating: Default
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You make the most interesting threads Cortneybob.
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#5 Nov 27 2010 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
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@Jefro

The worries about RMT impacting the game are quite validated by previous Christmas-time economy issues with FFXI. Sure, 1m or so isn't so hard to get...but what happens when the most basic of items suddenly costs 100k ea? Ya, that's what people are scared about, and with good reason. It's sort of obvious that SE is waiting to catch both the buyers and sellers at the same time, though.
#6 Nov 27 2010 at 4:10 PM Rating: Decent
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With the markets such that they are, I don't see prices getting out of control. Therefore, I don't see the issue. I played XI for a few years, so I'm fully aware of the issues the economy in that game had.
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#7 Nov 27 2010 at 4:11 PM Rating: Good
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What about when the December update hits and introduces world NMs, which will be botted by the cave-dwellers? Do you not see an issue at that point?
#8 Nov 27 2010 at 8:26 PM Rating: Good
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That all depends on how SE implements NMs. I'm sure they are aware of the issues in XI with botters and NMs. It seems to me like they have taken significant countermeasures against RMT in every other way, what makes you think they wouldn't do something similar with NMs?

Because they have yet to add any to the game, it makes me think that SE has something up their sleeves in terms of anti-RMT again. Otherwise they could have just added some harder/rarer mobs with better drops. Fortunately, that doesn't quite fit the pattern for XIV.
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#9 Nov 27 2010 at 8:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Uryuu wrote:
What about when the December update hits and introduces world NMs, which will be botted by the cave-dwellers? Do you not see an issue at that point?


Aren't the NMs supposed to be tuned for groups? Kind of hard to bot group content unless it's faceroll easy. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm rather hoping SE's idea of group content isn't faceroll easy.
#10 Nov 27 2010 at 8:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Keep in mind that NMs and HNMs in FFXI were also tuned for small and/or large groups...
It didn't stop the RMT botters from doing their thing 90% of the time.
#11 Nov 27 2010 at 9:39 PM Rating: Excellent
Cornyboob, if RMT were windmills, you would be Don Quixote.
#12 Nov 27 2010 at 9:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Uryuu wrote:
Keep in mind that NMs and HNMs in FFXI were also tuned for small and/or large groups...
It didn't stop the RMT botters from doing their thing 90% of the time.


EVERYTHING in FFXI was tuned for small and/or large groups.

This is not FFXI.
#13 Nov 27 2010 at 10:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Solo ENM (Pulling the Strings)
Maat Battle
90% of the Magian Trial targets
NPC Companion Quests
Fields of Valor
Any HNM or NM vs a Lvl 100 Job
Summoner Solo fights
Solo BCNMs
Red Mages vs Anything
Any Low Lev NM vs a 50+ (Argus, Leech King, Punisher, etc)
Beastmasters

Point is, FFXI WAS balanced completely around party play...until halfway into Rise of the Zilart, at which point certain solo activities began being implemented in a very limited fashion, and then quite rapidly after Wings of the Goddess, to the point where it is now feasible to solo to maximum level, more or less.
Keep in mind that a level 50 /rank 50 bot will decimate just about any lower level content, and most likely anything at their level. If one isn't enough, they will just steal/bot some more...
The current game is balanced around the monsters being soloable if they are an even rank/level as a player, however if they are much higher they will kill that player quite easily. Simply put, if a mob isn't soloable by one bot, they will just make more...hence the reminder that they will not be deterred by mob strength in the least, and that the only way to prevent them from botting NMs is to make the items EX. Not just the equipment, but EVERYTHING the NMs drop. If there is even a hint of profit to be made from an ingame item, RMT will monopolize it when given the opportunity.
#14 Nov 27 2010 at 10:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Uryuu wrote:
Solo ENM (Pulling the Strings)
Maat Battle
90% of the Magian Trial targets
NPC Companion Quests
Fields of Valor
Any HNM or NM vs a Lvl 100 Job
Summoner Solo fights
Solo BCNMs
Red Mages vs Anything
Any Low Lev NM vs a 50+ (Argus, Leech King, Punisher, etc)
Beastmasters

Point is, FFXI WAS balanced completely around party play...until halfway into Rise of the Zilart, at which point certain solo activities began being implemented in a very limited fashion, and then quite rapidly after Wings of the Goddess, to the point where it is now feasible to solo to maximum level, more or less.
Keep in mind that a level 50 /rank 50 bot will decimate just about any lower level content, and most likely anything at their level. If one isn't enough, they will just steal/bot some more...
The current game is balanced around the monsters being soloable if they are an even rank/level as a player, however if they are much higher they will kill that player quite easily. Simply put, if a mob isn't soloable by one bot, they will just make more...hence the reminder that they will not be deterred by mob strength in the least, and that the only way to prevent them from botting NMs is to make the items EX. Not just the equipment, but EVERYTHING the NMs drop. If there is even a hint of profit to be made from an ingame item, RMT will monopolize it when given the opportunity.


Lots of delicious assumptions on your part. Please, just be a sport and stop pretending like what SE did with FFXI is automatically going to carry forward into FFXIV "just because".
#15 Nov 27 2010 at 11:15 PM Rating: Decent
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http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=cb4dc09784bc24b4fde2e45de9f018ec5fb504d2

Under Combat.

November and December
The implementation of notorious monsters

2011
The addition of notorious monsters (NMs)

The addition of new battle content
The addition of notorious monster-related battle content

Which means there will, in fact, be free-world, non-leve notorious monsters.
That is what you were arguing against, correct? Unless they're completely EX,as well as gear crafted from the mats they drop being EX, I see no way that they will not be botted to some extent, be it by RMT or "paying customers"...
Heck, even if they're EX, they'll still be botted by less-than-honest people who want the gear without putting in the effort.
#16 Nov 27 2010 at 11:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Uryuu wrote:
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=cb4dc09784bc24b4fde2e45de9f018ec5fb504d2

Under Combat.

November and December
The implementation of notorious monsters

2011
The addition of notorious monsters (NMs)

The addition of new battle content
The addition of notorious monster-related battle content

Which means there will, in fact, be free-world, non-leve notorious monsters.
That is what you were arguing against, correct?


No, I wasn't. I was arguing against the wisdom of worrying about what MIGHT happen with bots when SE adds the NMs.

If you guys want to get all worked up worry worry worry omg what if worry worry...

Pffft...be my guest.
#17 Nov 27 2010 at 11:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Why isn't there an auto-mute feature on Alla for people whose
threads end up Sub-default in 90% of all cases?
#18 Nov 27 2010 at 11:37 PM Rating: Good
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I've yet to see any evidence of RMT in this game, and this is coming from Aion previously where RMT was everywhere and you got 5 whispers an hour trying to sell you RMT.

I think Square MUST have counter-measures in place already, otherwise we'd be seeing the RMT in force already.

As for NMs, can groups of bots heal each other and behave like an actual party? I would think that NMs would devastate groups without dedicated healers...
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#19 Nov 27 2010 at 11:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Destian, generally what happens in PvE worlds is that the botter goes and does something else while the bot camps something, and then when it gets a claim (or the party gets a claim, etc) a sort of alarm goes off to alert the botters to the NM's presence. This allows for RMT sweatshops to have 1 person working multiple games, as well as accounts, at the same time.
As to there being or not being botters in this game..that isn't up to SE. It is entirely up to the playerbase if they will or will not bot and/or pay RMT for items and other things. Considering at least 5 bot programs already exist for the game, I get the distinct feeling that the player base is the same player base that other MMOs have... no better than, and no worse than (except in the case of WOW's playerbase.../shudder) any other. You have the good, you have the bad, you have the ones that just go with the flow.

Edited, Nov 27th 2010 11:49pm by Uryuu
#20 Nov 27 2010 at 11:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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How many sub defaults before this guy can't make any more threads? FFS.
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#21 Nov 28 2010 at 12:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Just because he likes making posts that end up in heated discussion, with or without malicious intent doesn't give us, as his "equals", the right to ban him. That is entirely up to the admins.
If sub-defaults could result in a ban, everyone who liked the game at launch would be silenced...me included.

Edited, Nov 28th 2010 12:13am by Uryuu
#22 Nov 28 2010 at 12:33 AM Rating: Good
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Why isn't there an auto-mute feature on Alla for people whose
threads end up Sub-default in 90% of all cases?

You mean like the little filter option at the top that makes sub-d threads and posts grey out and shrink so you can easily avoid them?
#23 Nov 28 2010 at 12:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Caesura wrote:
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Why isn't there an auto-mute feature on Alla for people whose
threads end up Sub-default in 90% of all cases?

You mean like the little filter option at the top that makes sub-d threads and posts grey out and shrink so you can easily avoid them?
Or the 'Ignore' feature?

Hover over a poster's name and click Ignore.
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#24cornyboob, Posted: Nov 28 2010 at 1:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I should auto mute you.
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How many sub defaults before this guy can't make any more threads? FFS.


This is atually my second sub default . I guess you would be for taking away peoples rights if your for censorship. You are such a nice guy. a Real Role Model.
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#26 Nov 28 2010 at 1:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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This is atually my second sub default . I guess you would be for taking away peoples rights if your for censorship. You are such a nice guy. a Real Role Model.

Why are the people who invoke their rights so often the ones who understand their rights the least?

Alla is private property. You have no right to expression here, any more than I have a right to stand beside you in your mom's basement and sing old KISS songs in your ear while you play. You're a guest here, and can do only what the site's owners and delegated administrators allow. That said, they're not going to ban you; the karma system is "working as intended."
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Or the 'Ignore' feature?

Well, he specifically asked for an "auto-mute" for habitual sub-d posters, and the karma filter does a better job of doing that automatically than the manual "ignore" feature does. I liked it better when filtered content was completely invisible, though. Now, I'm always tempted to take a look and see what was so unpopular.
#27Ponderosa, Posted: Nov 28 2010 at 9:00 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) First off, this is a FAN site, so expect some censorship.
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Ponderosa wrote:
Secondly, IMHO, most of the FANs on this site are IDIOTS, so just ignore them.


You trying to compete with cornbob to see who can get sub-d'd faster? He already won. Bu you'll easily come in second.
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