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#1 Nov 27 2010 at 6:33 PM Rating: Default
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I played FFXI exclusively on laptops. I’ve gone through several models though the years and have learned that 17” notebooks are too big; it’s like putting a desktop on your lap.

I was very disappointed to learn my current laptop, the Alienware m11x, does not stand a chance playing FFXIV. Out of pure frustration I ran to best buy and bought the ASUS G73JH (ATI 5870). It (barely) plays the game and we’re back into 17” notebook gaming…

CLEVO finally started releasing the Nvidia GTX 470m in their 15” model W86CU and the results are impressive! Here you go.

Important specs:
• 15.6” FHD 16:9 LED Backlit Wide screen (1920x1080)
• Intel® Core™ i7-940XM Extreme, 2.13-3.33GHz, (45nm, 8MB L3 cache)
• nVidia GeForce GTX 470M 1.5GB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11
• 8GB DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory
• 500GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)

FFXIV Benchmark (low)
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[3000-4499] Fairly High Performance
Capable of running the game on default settings. Consider switching to a higher resolution depending on performance.


Well that’s good enough, MUCH higher than anything else in a 15” notebook I’ve seen.
What new (and great) about the GTX 470m is it features the GF104 core vs. the GF100 core seen in the GTX 480m. This newer core runs cooler and leaves plenty of room for overclocking. Here are the results at 732/1735/1465.
One note, I did change the CPU TDP from 40 to 80, to ensure turbo mode kicked in easily. I did not change any CPU frequency, only the GPU.

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[4500-5499] High Performance
Easily capable of running the game. Should perform well, even at higher resolutions.


So if you’re looking for a sub 17” laptop for FFXIV, I would recommend this model, or any upcoming model supporting the GTX 470m.

For those of you fellow geeks out there, here are some technical specs.

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#2 Nov 27 2010 at 6:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Is price not mentioned for a reason??

My laptop with a Radeon 5750 runs it fine, i'm just wondering XD
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#3sideways, Posted: Nov 27 2010 at 6:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Cool deal! For me, when it comes to Final Fantasy, price is irrelevant, but I can respect not everyone is as fortunate (but why would you bring that up?)
#4 Nov 27 2010 at 6:53 PM Rating: Good
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(but why would you bring that up?)

Probably because the information you gave is pretty much useless without a price and a place to buy it. Why would you recommend something without giving people the information that lets them decide if they want it?

It's not hard to find a good laptop for FFXIV at any price, after all.
#5 Nov 27 2010 at 6:59 PM Rating: Good
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I bought a laptop for gaming once (Asus G1S) and I'm NEVER going to do it again.
Even with extra coolers, modified drivers, windows 7 and oc'ing it's no match for a real rig at the same cost.

However, if you got extra dough and you _must_ have a laptop it's an option. 8)



Edited, Nov 28th 2010 3:00am by GoldenArrow
#6sideways, Posted: Nov 27 2010 at 7:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well, I don’t want to come off as an advertiser for any specific vendor…
#7 Nov 27 2010 at 7:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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However, by your posts I think you're either to cheap, to young, or to unsuccessful to afford this one and feel the need to justify what you have...

See, now you're just being odd. At first, I thought you were really making a thread to be helpful and recommend a good laptop, and you just forgot to give some information. But, after that post, it's hard not to see you as just coming in here to brag.

I found your laptop, by the way. It's very nice. Mine is both better and more expensive, and I didn't even have to pay for it because it's from my employer. However, I wouldn't particularly recommend mine, because it's not especially good for the price; it's just very expensive, and for enough money you can get a very good laptop.

Your post isn't a recommendation. It's you announcing, "for enough money, laptops can be quite good." Well, duh.

Edited, Nov 27th 2010 8:13pm by Caesura
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However, by your posts I think...


No one is giving away anything about themselves here but you, kiddo.
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#9 Nov 28 2010 at 12:41 AM Rating: Decent
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So no one is going to share with us the price and vendor to pick this up?
I'm in the market for a decent gaming laptop for gaming while traveling,
However I already have a great rig at home and this laptop would only
Get minimal use.

I wouldn't spend more than 500-600 dollars on this toy
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#10 Nov 28 2010 at 12:42 AM Rating: Good
I was just browsing this thread, (it made me smile) I was thinking if you can go out and buy a number of laptops at will for whatever price they are asking, you might want to get yourself a Falcon-Northwest and forget your worries about performance. I drool regularly over their gaming rigs, if i7-950 six core desktop-class 2 graphics cards and 3 hard drives in a laptop don't get your gibbly bits moving, nothing will.
So just in case you are serious about having a brag worthy performance laptop you should check them out. http://www.falcon-nw.com/laptops/drx

I don't have one they are well out of my price range Smiley: grin
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#11 Nov 28 2010 at 12:53 AM Rating: Good
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I don't understand the draw of finding a smaller screen to play on, especially if you care that much about good performance.
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#12 Nov 28 2010 at 1:45 AM Rating: Good
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good chance its gonna melt down on you. 7200rpm, i7, gtx470 gpu, tiny heatsink all in a compact area.

could of built a SLI desktop for about that with similar stuff and bigger bandwith & better cooling. and save you alienware for laptop things.

looks like 720p res?

Edited, Nov 28th 2010 2:57am by mitmystria
#13 Nov 28 2010 at 2:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kardgar wrote:
So no one is going to share with us the price and vendor to pick this up?
I'm in the market for a decent gaming laptop for gaming while traveling,
However I already have a great rig at home and this laptop would only
Get minimal use.

I wouldn't spend more than 500-600 dollars on this toy


Well, you're almost certainly looking at least $2000+ USD for those specs. But, as the OP mentioned, the GTX470M (gf104)core is better because it's specifically targeted for the high end gamer and his OC benchmarks are VERY good. Clevo got the jump but look for various vendors popping these out shortly. It really is a good find for both 15" or 17" preferences. It's important to note that unless you're specifically getting it for gaming, the gf104 core is not necessarily a step up from the gf100.

I am personally running the G73JH from Newegg, a different flavor of the one the OP impulse bought from Best Buy. He is correct, at stock the benchmark runs around 3300 (low setting) for me and I haven't been bothered to make any modifications since it's been running all my favorite games, including FFXIV, wonderfully so far. It cost me $1400USD.

It's unlikely you'll find a FFXIV laptop in the $500-600 range this year and probably still unlikely through 2011, however I will be *pleasantly* surprised to be wrong about this.

For anyone interested... my laptop specs:
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EDIT: clarification

Edited, Nov 28th 2010 12:07am by Gutspraygore
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#14 Nov 28 2010 at 4:33 AM Rating: Good
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FYI that CLEVO got pretty mediocre reviews for gaming purposes, it ticks alot of boxes from a distance but the reviews said that some of the parts don't function at the level they should. I'd be a bit hesitant, but I'm glad to see that you got better results, which is odd as I figured XIV is the most taxing game I have on my system.
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sideways wrote:
However, by your posts I think you're either to cheap, to young, or to unsuccessful to afford this one and feel the need to justify what you have...


Congratulations, you've just purchased two ****** products. This game can't keep people's attention even when it's free, yet you suggest that they should spend way too much money for a laptop with decent performance to play a game? Knowing how to spend money doesn't make you cheap, throwing your money around doesn't make you mature and if you need some clarity on what unsuccessful is; look no further than FFXIV.

Before you attack my rig, I'll just say that it is more than enough to handle any of today's newer games on high settings. Games that are coded properly, come with content at release and are, you know.. actually fun.


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#17 Nov 28 2010 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
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sideways wrote:
rikkuotaku wrote:
Is price not mentioned for a reason??

My laptop with a Radeon 5750 runs it fine, i'm just wondering XD


Cool deal! For me, when it comes to Final Fantasy, price is irrelevant, but I can respect not everyone is as fortunate (but why would you bring that up?)

One thing i've learned in 10 years of IT is that almost every individual has different expectations when it comes to performance. Unfortunately, mine are extremely high and hit me in the $$$.


Thanks? for nothing?

Here is a vendor link.... seems he paid $1500 for it, which is really not a lot for a gaming notebook so I'm not sure what the big deal is. Personally I would have gone for the 17" version with the GTX480 but I guess my 'expectations when it comes to performance' are a bit more refined from my 15 years in IT.

http://notebooks.avadirect.com/Gaming_Notebooks

Edited, Nov 28th 2010 9:15am by rikkuotaku
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rikkuotaku wrote:

Here is a vendor link.... seems he paid $1500 for it, which is really not a lot for a gaming notebook so I'm not sure what the big deal is. Personally I would have gone for the 17" version with the GTX480 but I guess my 'expectations when it comes to performance' are a bit more refined from my 15 years in IT.

http://notebooks.avadirect.com/Gaming_Notebooks


I priced the OP's specs through that link and it turns out to be more around $2900.

Probably not what I'd spend for a 15", personally. To each their own, though.
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#19 Nov 28 2010 at 5:30 PM Rating: Good
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Gutspraygore wrote:
rikkuotaku wrote:

Here is a vendor link.... seems he paid $1500 for it, which is really not a lot for a gaming notebook so I'm not sure what the big deal is. Personally I would have gone for the 17" version with the GTX480 but I guess my 'expectations when it comes to performance' are a bit more refined from my 15 years in IT.

http://notebooks.avadirect.com/Gaming_Notebooks


I priced the OP's specs through that link and it turns out to be more around $2900.

Probably not what I'd spend for a 15", personally. To each their own, though.


Ah I was just looking at the starting price. >.< In that case, LOL @ spending $380 just going from a GTX460 to a GTX470. Further LOL for the $1000 CPU upgrade which does nothing since the GPU is the bottleneck long before the CPU makes any difference.

Also what's the point of getting such a high end laptop and not getting an SSD?? That is the largest performance increase I see in any machine. I am outfitting any new laptops or PCs I get with SSDs immediately - I recommend OCZ Vertex 2....
I mean a 240GB is only another 4-500 dollars. xD
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#20 Nov 29 2010 at 1:11 AM Rating: Default
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Laptops were and will never be meant for current gaming. The key word is on current not old past dead games.
#21 Nov 29 2010 at 1:35 AM Rating: Good
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rikkuotaku wrote:
Also what's the point of getting such a high end laptop and not getting an SSD?? That is the largest performance increase I see in any machine. I am outfitting any new laptops or PCs I get with SSDs immediately - I recommend OCZ Vertex 2....
I mean a 240GB is only another 4-500 dollars. xD
Signed. Switching to SSD from a hard drive was a huge performance gain for me. It really makes a big difference, especially with the processing power that exists now, still using a 7200 rpm HD is an enormous bottleneck. Personally I got the Intel x25-m. Very satisfied.

Edited, Nov 29th 2010 1:38am by bsphil
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#22 Nov 29 2010 at 8:00 AM Rating: Decent
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I was very disappointed to learn my current laptop, the Alienware m11x, does not stand a chance playing FFXIV. Out of pure frustration I ran to best buy and bought the ASUS G73JH (ATI 5870). It (barely) plays the game and we’re back into 17” notebook gaming…


I'm playing right now on the original m11x. It got maybe a 1300 on the benchmark, but it plays the game well enough. I'd say give it a try before buying a new laptop.
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I don't understand the draw of finding a smaller screen to play on, especially if you care that much about good performance


The draw isn't because of the gaming itself - it's because many of us are working professionals who take our lives with us as we travel the world map. Smaller is better - and I nearly bought an M11x myself for this reason. I have a desktop at home, but I'm rarely actuall "at" home and I certainly can't take an entire entertainment system with me.

There is a guide someone wrote for how to eek the last bit of performance out of the m11x specifically for FFXIV - google it; it's out there. You can get good deals at Delloutlet on refurbs. Today they ran a 12 hour special trying to offload them for 500 bucks a piece. All that was left within 5 minutes were core2 duo models, but they frequently have i5 models in stock and if you wait for a coupon (twitter is how I get them) you can take a very nice portable home for ~600.

M15x's got for ~1400ish.
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I use an ASUS g50vt. I overclock with the built in overclocking and I overclock my nvidia card using the nvidia system tools. My benchmark sucked around 1300 but I have no trouble with the game. Some lag in town but once you get past that really no problems.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

- Laptop
- Affordable computer
- Plays high end games like XIV well


Pick two. Actually, for that matter...

- Prebuilt system
- Affordable price
- Plays high end games well

Pick two.

Edited, Nov 29th 2010 3:43pm by Mikhalia
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i use to play 11 on a laptop about 30% of the time. and i can see why people want to be able to do it. personally i found it nice to be able to take my laptop to work and still do limbus and stuff or basic crafting farming etc.

my current laptop is bit dead though wont even load the xiv benchmark and has a fairly crappy windows experience rating of 2.3 lol. my desktop has windows 7 experience or 6.2 though everything except the harddrive is at 7.6.

there are times where id like to play xiv on a laptop. do some crafting or something. nothing to demanding on visual performance but from what i've seen looking at close to £1500 for anything that can play the game with even basic settings. certainly alot more than im willing to pay for the convienience of bit of crafting at work or something.

chances are in a year or so i could pick up a laptop that could run xiv for £400 maybe £500 at which point i might grab one if my current ones about dead.

the ops spec does look kinda good. but cost is the deciding factor.
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i use to play 11 on a laptop about 30% of the time. and i can see why people want to be able to do it. personally i found it nice to be able to take my laptop to work and still do limbus and stuff or basic crafting farming etc.

my current laptop is bit dead though wont even load the xiv benchmark and has a fairly crappy windows experience rating of 2.3 lol. my desktop has windows 7 experience or 6.2 though everything except the harddrive is at 7.6.

there are times where id like to play xiv on a laptop. do some crafting or something. nothing to demanding on visual performance but from what i've seen looking at close to £1500 for anything that can play the game with even basic settings. certainly alot more than im willing to pay for the convienience of bit of crafting at work or something.

chances are in a year or so i could pick up a laptop that could run xiv for £400 maybe £500 at which point i might grab one if my current ones about dead.

the ops spec does look kinda good. but cost is the deciding factor.


I believe the goal for FFXIV was that in 3-5 years, an average computer should be able to play it at max settings.
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