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#1 Dec 02 2010 at 3:29 PM Rating: Decent
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So i had a problem with my pc last night a virus protection system update corrupted registry oh joy.

I fixed the problem with a simple system restore but as is the case with windows 7 you dont get to choose what date you restore to. It arbitrarily chose a day beffore nov 24.

To my surprise when i attempted to launch FFXIV that a patch started downloading... The Nov 25th patch, and subsequently will most likely download the nov30 bug fix patch again too. Suffice to say its taking forever and a day again even on non patch day...

My complaint i guess is why they dont check the files first to determine if you already have the patch downloaded before it automatically downloads it again, all i was missing is a registry entry that has the corect version number in it. And now because the patching system is so very basic and has no inteligence built in I have to wait 3 hours because it stops downloading for 2-4 minutes every 5% and does nothing yet i am uploading at full speed the entire time..

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#2 Dec 02 2010 at 3:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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I really think these update issue have to do with routers or ISP issues. Even on the biggest patches it has taken me about an hour at most to download and patch.
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#3 Dec 02 2010 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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All you were missing was a Registry entry... containing a version code... that is a critical piece of data for the updater.

And you f'd with it and then complain the software sucks. I think a PS3 is a bit easier for simple folk to work. No big bad computer for U.

PalidorC - I won't argue your point in your post below. Unfortunately SE didn't crowd-source the developement of their updater piece (or hire anyone with any insight to what is best vs. what is the norm).

Edited, Dec 2nd 2010 5:07pm by drogier
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#4 Dec 02 2010 at 4:00 PM Rating: Good
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From a programming perspective, I would guess the devs thought they would be "malicious" and hide the patch system from the user in a way that makes it hard to trick or tamper with, such as replacing these files with ones you got off of another torrent. It's a way for them to have more control than you, which in my opinion is not a good tactic nowadays. You want to give the user as much freedom and control as you can so that they trust you and come back for more because of the ease of use and flexibility. Using the registry, you'd have to find the values and edit it yourself, which most people don't really know how to do that unless they are computer savvy, thus getting rid of a good chunk of the population as it is. Id say this is more of an Eastern development decision versus Western development.

I do agree that this is pretty stupid though. Not to compare, but I do believe WoW uses a similar system, but it takes the user friendly route and lets you download patch files and apply them manually to the game. Correct me if i'm wrong though, but weren't you able to download torrent files of the patches awhile back and place them in the patch folder and it would recognize them, or are you talking about something slightly different?
#5 Dec 02 2010 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
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look for the mass of port forwarding posts to find out how to open the right ports in your router firewall.

If you have done that you can download with utorrent, when you run the patcher it downloads a torrent file, then go to my documents > my games > final fantasy xiv > downloads > ffxiv > the either 48eca647 or 2d2a390f > metainfo and open the torrent file with the same update name and ensure you save it in the same file with the same hex name > patch.

What I do is save it into another file and copy to the patch file, I then have another copy of the patch file so i only need to download it once.

When theres another update I will make a more indepth guide to doing this.
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#6 Dec 02 2010 at 4:26 PM Rating: Good
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What version of Windows 7 do you have?

I can choose what ever restore point I want.

Windows 7 should have it set up to create one every 7 days if nothing has created one unless you changed it. If you want to have one created every day you can schedule it to do so. You can also set it up to manually create one when ever you want.

Tutorial here
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/697-system-restore-point-create.html

After every update to ffxiv you can create your own restore point if you want.

I don't know if I can explain to you the time savings between scanning your hard drive and checking a reg entry. Especially since SE put everything in as a gajillion independent files. Having said that every updater should have a check all button.
#7 Dec 02 2010 at 4:36 PM Rating: Decent
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I have used two different routers and setup port forwarding with both and i never ever once got a remote connection which is required for a download to be fast and not stop all the time. Using 7 64 bit but i have wondows firewall disabled.
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#8 Dec 02 2010 at 4:50 PM Rating: Good
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Windows restore affects more than registry entries.

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What files are changed during a system restore?

System Restore affects Windows system files, programs, and registry settings. It can also make changes to scripts, batch files, and other types of executable files on your computer.


The changes made to the FFXIV application would be reversed. Because the update process deletes the patch files after they are applied, the updater has no choice but to download them again.

Updater is looking for the application version, then looks to see if it has the patch. It doesn't just check the registry. If that was the case, then using a 3rd party bittorrent client wouldn't work instead of using the game's crappy client.

It is much faster to use a third party client to do an update. I posted a thread on how to do that here.
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#9 Dec 02 2010 at 5:00 PM Rating: Decent
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awesome thanks man ill use torrent next time
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#10 Dec 02 2010 at 5:37 PM Rating: Good
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I have used two different routers and setup port forwarding with both and i never ever once got a remote connection which is required for a download to be fast and not stop all the time. Using 7 64 bit but i have wondows firewall disabled.


Who is your ISP? Some ISP's are known to throttle, if not disable, torrent traffic.

Edited, Dec 2nd 2010 6:44pm by Teneleven
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#11 Dec 02 2010 at 5:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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What I don't understand is why we can't have comprehensive updates, where everything is in one download. Like check the version of the client, if it's 1.1.1 or whatever, then it puts everything into one download and installs in the correct order.
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#12 Dec 02 2010 at 5:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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What I don't understand is why we can't have comprehensive updates, where everything is in one download. Like check the version of the client, if it's 1.1.1 or whatever, then it puts everything into one download and installs in the correct order.


I have to agree with this. Also, when downloading a full game client, why they can't let you download an already patched client. Rather than downloading the client, then patch it for 4 hours. Boggles the mind.
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#13 Dec 02 2010 at 5:50 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't know, but I wish they would get it together already. The last patch I had to pull down in torrent after I thought I read some posts where it was fixed.

As far as the port forwarding - those posts might work in certain situations but port forwarding isn't really meant for the kind of downloading we are doing. It's meant to get you to a specific machine when you are opening a connection - like how you connect to Zam on port 80. The router has a rule that says yay someone wants to see Zam! Go to this machine!!!

Opening ports on your own router and backwards forwarding them for a torrent is really not a terrific (or secure) method of handling a freaking game patch download.
#14 Dec 03 2010 at 3:38 AM Rating: Default
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Not to mention that it doesnt work on alot of popular routers. Maybe on a linksys but not a netgear or a Zyxel.

As for MY isp i know its not the issue i personally helped program the routers as i work there and torrents are not an issue just this lame patcher program. I have no issues downloading torrents.

Edited, Dec 3rd 2010 4:38am by cornyboob
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#15 Dec 03 2010 at 3:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Not to mention that it doesnt work on alot of popular routers. Maybe on a linksys but not a netgear or a Zyxel.

As for MY isp i know its not the issue i personally helped program the routers as i work there and torrents are not an issue just this lame patcher program. I have no issues downloading torrents.

Edited, Dec 3rd 2010 4:38am by cornyboob



Your ISP itself may not be the cause of your low download speeds, but if you do in fact program routers you should know that the problem could lie on any one of the hops between your PC and SE's servers.

Years back when I was playing XI I ran into this problem for months. A traceroute showed me that I kept losing connection to XI due to some random hop along the path between my PC and the XI servers. I believe it was in Japan somewhere.

Of course that's not to say that the patcher couldn't be improved...
#16 Dec 03 2010 at 3:52 AM Rating: Default
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Then its a problem after it leaves our backbone provider because we never have problems with other torrents. IE some crappy router in japan. Others have the issue so i lean twords limited low quality patcher.
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#17 Dec 03 2010 at 3:57 AM Rating: Good
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No offense bro but this whole thread is user error.

First I downloaded the patches on both my computers using the official patcher at the same time in under 15 min on patch day. It's called opening ports.

Second, it sounds like you had the patch already somewhere on your computer? If you already had the patch just put it in the patch folder and you wouldn't need to download it again. It will automatically recognize the patch and use it without re-downloading it.

Third, if for some reason you don't know how to open ports which is really easy, try the official torrent or just download it from megaupload or mediafire or something where people have uploaded it to. Usually there's a thread on core with an upload link.

Sorry, the patching system isn't a problem.
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#18 Dec 03 2010 at 5:08 AM Rating: Decent
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If you saved your patch files in a place that didn't let the game consume them on install it would have just read that you needed to install a patch rather than try to download it. The problem is you don't, in fact, have the patch in the folder. So yes, sadly you did need to download it. I put my patches in a different folder before i let it install and consume them. Saves a little time when there are problems.
#19 Dec 03 2010 at 5:13 AM Rating: Decent
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cornyboob wrote:
Not to mention that it doesnt work on alot of popular routers. Maybe on a linksys but not a netgear or a Zyxel.

As for MY isp i know its not the issue i personally helped program the routers as i work there and torrents are not an issue just this lame patcher program. I have no issues downloading torrents.

Edited, Dec 3rd 2010 4:38am by cornyboob


Just because your torrent program works doesn't mean you have opened the door for SE's patcher to make connection. It could be better as far as opening it's own doors but it absolutely sounds like you don't have the ports forwarded correctly that THIS program uses. Something isn't right. The fact that torrents work and this doesn't actually almost completely puts your setup at fault. Your ISP isn't throttling torrent traffic if the others work or anything else of the sort. Also, the patcher works for many many people and not for you. This should tell you where to start looking to fix it. Good luck.
#20 Dec 03 2010 at 6:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Wint wrote:
What I don't understand is why we can't have comprehensive updates, where everything is in one download. Like check the version of the client, if it's 1.1.1 or whatever, then it puts everything into one download and installs in the correct order.


I have to agree with this. Also, when downloading a full game client, why they can't let you download an already patched client. Rather than downloading the client, then patch it for 4 hours. Boggles the mind.


It's probably because they actually QA their stuff.

If you QA a patch then you can release the patch. If you wanted to also release a pre-patched full client you'd have to QA the new patched full client package. That means it costs them time and money to do that. Presumably at some point when some critical number of patches has been released they would spend the time and effort to create a new fully patched fill install, but who knows when they will do it.
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