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#1 Dec 05 2010 at 11:51 PM Rating: Default
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ok, so there is no denying that FFXI is the predecessor to FFXIV.
but has FFXIV done enough to claim the tital of "the new FFXI"

i personaly dont think it has..

and what dose this mean for the future, are they going to take as long making FFXIV decent
as it took them to make FFXI the amazing game it is today?
what are they going to Take from FFXI to make FFXIV good,
and what are they going to do that gona make FFXIV its own game with its own merrits.

i think its safe to say, as far as content goes, FFXI beats FFXIV down into the ground so hard, it makes it look like a bloody rug.
but are they going to change that any time soon?
they should know by now that MMO's arnt a new thing, there are plenty of gaming companys out there who know what there doing, if SE wants to take there time adding content, i think people will go elsware.
WOW,
LODR online,
EVE online,
FFXI online,
DIABLO III eventualy,
Age of Connan,
and not to mention the FREE MMO's out there too,
the list is ever growing.

FFXI has its content all worked out, but its limited by the Engine, and the servers.
FFXIV has the latest engine, and aparently decent servers. what they havent realy done much with it yet.

What do you think?
FFXI Vs FFXIV, what do you like from wich?

#2 Dec 06 2010 at 12:07 AM Rating: Decent
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FFXI content:

EXP leveling.
Item Farming.
Notorios monster hunting.
Questing.
Main Cenario Questing.
Expansion Cenario Questing.
NPC, Adventuring fellow.
Building fame.
Chocobo riding.
Chocobo Racing.
Chocobo Breeding.
Airship Riding.
BCNM's (Berning Cercle Notorios monsters).
KSNM's (Kindrid Seal Notorios Monsters).
Supply Quests.
Garrison.
Besieged.
Unlocking Cavonus Maws.
Campagn battles.
Campagn Quests.
Crafting.
Balista.
Assult.
Synergy.
Sky God farming.
Sea farming.
Dynamis.
Gardening.
Mog house decoration.
Mining.
Logging.
Fishing.
Moblin Maze mongers.
The Moogle Lottery.
Obtaining Titles.
Maat's Cap quest.
Meriting.




FFXIV content:

EXP grinding.
Craft Grinding.
Fishing.
Botony.
Mining.
Main Cenario Story.
Guild leves.


...Tell me if i missed anything out.
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#3 Dec 06 2010 at 12:13 AM Rating: Decent
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LukeA wrote:


and what dose this mean for the future, are they going to take as long making FFXIV decent
as it took them to make FFXI the amazing game it is today?



First off I just have to say your grammar makes my eyes bleed.

Secondly this sentence right here should answer your own question. That list you have is because of several years of constant development. To compare a polished game vs a fledgling game is a mote point.
#4 Dec 06 2010 at 12:28 AM Rating: Good
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Ummm...its moot, not mote ...or we're you making fun of Luke?
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I hate the grammar police but your posts are so stupid its funny..."Cenarios", "Companys" to name a few....go to school and quit playing MMOs. Now why did I feel the need to rag on you? well, simply because you just put up a list of FFXI content vs. FFXIV content when FFXI's been out for 8 years almost and FFXIV 3 months. Now think about that, that is if you know how to think, and you'll realize why there is so much disparity in both lists. Does it justify FFXIV lacking so much content? no, not at all, but just saying.
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english might not be his first language to the jack *** grammar police. also the oo its a new mmo so it wont have much is just a retarded comment. now if you said its a really poorly developed, terrible, and new mmo. then you could say that comment. just because a mmo is new doesn't give it the right to be this bad and lack even some off the most basic ****. ffxiv has even a terrible graphics engine, which is proven by how it isn't the best looking thing but still runs like it is.
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@LordBalrog - I think you mean moot point?

@SolidMack - You didn't capitalize "well", and your use of ellipses is average at best.

Moving on to the actual topic at hand, I may as well take that list and whittle it down to what could justifiably be held up and compared to content, or lack thereof, in Final Fantasy XIV. In my own opinion at least.

LukeA wrote:
FFXI content:

EXP leveling.
Item Farming.
Notorios monster hunting.
Questing.
Main Cenario Questing.
Expansion Cenario Questing.
NPC, Adventuring fellow.
Building fame.

Chocobo riding.
Chocobo Racing.
Chocobo Breeding.

Airship Riding.
BCNM's (Berning Cercle Notorios monsters).
KSNM's (Kindrid Seal Notorios Monsters).
Supply Quests.
Garrison.
Besieged.
Unlocking Cavonus Maws.
Campagn battles.
Campagn Quests.
Crafting.
Balista.
Assult.
Synergy.
Sky God farming.
Sea farming.
Dynamis.

Gardening.
Mog house decoration.
Mining.
Logging.
Fishing.
Moblin Maze mongers.
The Moogle Lottery.
Obtaining Titles.
Maat's Cap quest.
Meriting.


Notice that I basically slashed out anything that had to do with expansions that came later, or content that seems silly to try and compare with what FFXIV has. That being said, let's spend a little time on what wasn't crossed out.

SP/XP leveling - Soloing has become much more bearable in Final Fantasy XIV by a mile, however partying has become a real pain in the neck. You could almost call this a draw in some ways, with each game having its positives and negatives.

Item Farming - Final Fantasy XIV takes the cake on this one, due to the fact that gathering, farming, and getting stuff one needs for crafting has become easier in many ways. There are still a lot of kinks to be worked out, but it's friendlier for the most part.

Notorious Monster Hunting - Coming soon, if SE is to be believed. Although I am concerned that so far they only have mentioned Faction-related NMs. When looked at like that, it makes them seem more ZNM or BCNM-ish instead of true, open world NMs.

Questing - Guildleves will never, ever, replace the fun, cutscene-filled, immersive quests of Final Fantasy XI. That is just my own opinion of course, but something is just horribly lacking without the "traditional" quest, making NPCs and city-states rather lifeless and dull.

Main Scenario Questing - The main scenario is, sadly, nowhere near as engaging as it was in Final Fantasy XI. Of course your mileage may vary, but I don't feel charmed by the characters that partake in the story, nor do I feel any sense of real attachment from the missions to my home city-state.

Sadly, I feel as if this is something that simply can not be fixed. SE has already set everything up in the main quest line from levels 1 to 50, and to add anything else to it would frustrate people who can't go back and take part in potential additions to the story if they decided to "retcon".

Then again, I could be wrong.

Chocobo Riding/Airship Riding - Yes, we know. And we all think it's silly that neither of these were in-game to begin with. By the way, I don't think the excuse that airships came later in FFXI's life can be used to justify their absence in FFXIV at the moment. That is one of those things that, frankly, you don't just toss in to the "Do it later" bin when it is such a staple to the series, much less is something that has been in your prior MMO for somewhere around 7 years.

BCNM/KSNM - Pretty much faction leves right now, both in terms of saving up points (Beastman Seals), and their being a better rewarding experience in terms of gil, and possible cool items. But, yes, more do need to be added.

Garrison - You could basically look at FFXIV's behest system as this, unless you're just bringing this up due to lack of mannequins or something. The difference being you're taking the fight to the monsters, and not the other way around.

And SE has mentioned the implementation of assaults on camps, too. Once again, it remains to be seen if this will happen, much less if it will be worthwhile or enjoyable.

Besieged - See above.

Mog Houses - This is something I feel was woefully overlooked. One of the better parts of the Final Fantasy XI experience was having your own place to call your home. Linkshell/Company meeting halls, or whatever, will not replace this either (again, my own opinion). So it really saddens me that there has yet to be any sort of notice or mention of player housing, after all the great work put in to the player housing and furniture system back in FFXI.

Mining, Logging, Fishing - I'll take the minigames over the tedium of breaking hatchets, pickaxes, and fishing poles every which way back in FFXI, much less having to fight tooth and nail over gathering spots.

Bleh. It's 2 am here, and I work in 9 hours. Peace out, y'all.

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#9 Dec 06 2010 at 12:59 AM Rating: Default
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english might not be his first language to the jack *** grammar police. also the oo its a new mmo so it wont have much is just a retarded comment. now if you said its a really poorly developed, terrible, and new mmo. then you could say that comment. just because a mmo is new doesn't give it the right to be this bad and lack even some off the most basic sh*t. ffxiv has even a terrible graphics engine, which is proven by how it isn't the best looking thing but still runs like it is.


Stay out of it smart *** if you don't read. I said the game has no excuse to be released with barely crap for content but how is comparing it to expansion packs from FFXI a fair comparison.

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@SolidMack - You didn't capitalize "well", and your use of ellipses is average at best.


I didn't say he needs to be an English major mr. perfect...and I pretty much said I was attacking him because of the content of his post and not his grammar, I just used his grammar cuz it was easy.

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#10 Dec 06 2010 at 1:09 AM Rating: Good
It's way too early to tell at this point what FFXIV will bring to the table. We all know at this point that XIV was released far too early, so to judge 2 months of a game's life span vs XI's 8+ year tenure, is ridiculous. I agree with many, it's not 2002 anymore, you can't be doing what other companies did back then. On the other hand, you also can't expect even 1/2 of what FFXI offers now at this point in XIV's life. The big thing to consider here too is multi-platform releases. They don't want the present crowd getting so far ahead, and getting all new things before the PS3 version is released, cause it was miserable in XI when that happened.

I've accepted the fact that this game will kind of coast until March with a few things added here and there content + UI wise. Japan is still heavily console oriented, and they will probably bring quite a few people in. North Americans too I'm sure have a high enough console population. Same can probably be said about Europe and where ever else this game is going to be released. We'll really have to wait a year or so to judge this game vs other games. We'll also have to wait and see how DC uni. online does, Star Wars, etc.

Until an expansion comes out, I'm not expecting anything game breaking to be implemented. I could be surprised, but I'm very skeptical. So my opinion, we'll have to wait awhile to really see is XI trumps XIV, or vice versa.
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#11 Dec 06 2010 at 1:16 AM Rating: Decent
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SolidMack wrote:
ironmonk25 wrote:
english might not be his first language to the jack *** grammar police. also the oo its a new mmo so it wont have much is just a retarded comment. now if you said its a really poorly developed, terrible, and new mmo. then you could say that comment. just because a mmo is new doesn't give it the right to be this bad and lack even some off the most basic sh*t. ffxiv has even a terrible graphics engine, which is proven by how it isn't the best looking thing but still runs like it is.


Stay out of it smart *** if you don't read. I said the game has no excuse to be released with barely crap for content but how is comparing it to expansion packs from FFXI a fair comparison.

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@SolidMack - You didn't capitalize "well", and your use of ellipses is average at best.


I didn't say he needs to be an English major mr. perfect...and I pretty much said I was attacking him because of the content of his post and not his grammar, I just used his grammar cuz it was easy.

Edited, Dec 6th 2010 2:02am by SolidMack



ooOOooo get you, Mr "I can dish it out but cant take it" lol.


regardless.
as i said before, the list was a guide to surjestions for what content you would like to be added from FFXI.
or indeed, what you liked from FFXI and FFXIV.

i would love to see a Mog house, or a chocobo Raising Update. something to do besides the laborius grinding.
or something even better like a Beistiary!
were you got Trophies dipending on how many mobs youv killed, even maybe a * ratting like in FFXIII
something to direct people with the new awsome gear, and to force changes to battle tactics.


#12 Dec 06 2010 at 1:19 AM Rating: Default
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Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
It's way too early to tell at this point what FFXIV will bring to the table. We all know at this point that XIV was released far too early, so to judge 2 months of a game's life span vs XI's 8+ year tenure, is ridiculous. I agree with many, it's not 2002 anymore, you can't be doing what other companies did back then. On the other hand, you also can't expect even 1/2 of what FFXI offers now at this point in XIV's life. The big thing to consider here too is multi-platform releases. They don't want the present crowd getting so far ahead, and getting all new things before the PS3 version is released, cause it was miserable in XI when that happened.

I've accepted the fact that this game will kind of coast until March with a few things added here and there content + UI wise. Japan is still heavily console oriented, and they will probably bring quite a few people in. North Americans too I'm sure have a high enough console population. Same can probably be said about Europe and where ever else this game is going to be released. We'll really have to wait a year or so to judge this game vs other games. We'll also have to wait and see how DC uni. online does, Star Wars, etc.

Until an expansion comes out, I'm not expecting anything game breaking to be implemented. I could be surprised, but I'm very skeptical. So my opinion, we'll have to wait awhile to really see is XI trumps XIV, or vice versa.


Very true,

but will FFXIV last that long?
how low can the population get.
#13 Dec 06 2010 at 1:21 AM Rating: Good
It'll easily last that long with the PS3 release. Japan alone will allow it to float through a console for at least a couple years. If they also keep going the way they are, listening to people. I have no reason to think this game will completely bomb beyond the point it already has.
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Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
It'll easily last that long with the PS3 release. Japan alone will allow it to float through a console for at least a couple years. If they also keep going the way they are, listening to people. I have no reason to think this game will completely bomb beyond the point it already has.


yea hopefully, its all ready hit rock bottom for FFXIV. and now its bouncing back.
personaly if they are waiting till its been released on al platforms i might call it quits till march.
i odnt mind plaing catch up, by then with an AH the economy could be good enough for crafters and fighters to
get what they need quickly and cheeply.

and lets face it, they still need to adjust whats already in the game anyway.
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EXP leveling.
Item Farming.
Notorios monster hunting.
Questing.
Main Cenario Questing.
Expansion Cenario Questing.
NPC, Adventuring fellow.
Building fame.
Chocobo riding.
Chocobo Racing.
Chocobo Breeding.
Airship Riding.
BCNM's (Berning Cercle Notorios monsters).
KSNM's (Kindrid Seal Notorios Monsters).
Supply Quests.
Garrison.
Besieged.
Unlocking Cavonus Maws.
Campagn battles.
Campagn Quests.
Crafting.
Balista.
Assult.
Synergy.
Sky God farming.
Sea farming.
Dynamis.
Gardening.
Mog house decoration.
Mining.
Logging.
Fishing.
Moblin Maze mongers.
The Moogle Lottery.
Obtaining Titles.
Maat's Cap quest.
Meriting.



Half of this list wasn't there either when FFXI was released in the states in 2002. Also add another year of fixes when it was release in Japan first. Comparing the two as a whole right now is like comparing apple vs orange.

The real frustration with FFXIV right now is that EVERYONE under the sun at this point expects SE to deliver a finished product instead of a work in progress as FFXI was. Why the expectation? Because SE don't have the "this is our first MMO" excuse anymore. Furthermore, FFXI is very polished now, and yet XIV demonstrates all the signs that SE ignore everything they SHOULD have learned from FFXI.

I stopped playing FFXI at least 4 years ago, I got bored with it because was 1) graphic was showing it's age 2) endgame was a lot of daily drama 3) endgame xp grinding that seems so pointless because parsing increased stats showed little results at the time, proofing it was nothing more than keep players playing until level cap was increased...I can go on with the flaws with FFXI...the point isn't that FFXI is better or worst...for me, the frustration with XIV is that SE shows 1) learned nothing from FFXI 2) has the balls to release a beta game. Of course, now they recognized the mistake in releasing a beta game and scrambles to hot-fix it in 2-3 months. This mistake may prove to be too big to recover from and the players has the final say about it with their dollars.
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LukeA wrote:


and what dose this mean for the future, are they going to take as long making FFXIV decent
as it took them to make FFXI the amazing game it is today?



First off I just have to say your grammar makes my eyes bleed.

Secondly this sentence right here should answer your own question. That list you have is because of several years of constant development. To compare a polished game vs a fledgling game is a mote point.

the point is that ff14 is NOT a fresh game, How long was SE out, how much should have se learned... why make a skeleton and yadda yadda etc etc - beats the dead horse and goes to sell glue-
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Half of this list wasn't there either when FFXI was released in the states in 2002. Also add another year of fixes when it was release in Japan first. Comparing the two as a whole right now is like comparing apple vs orange.


The game has been released in the states in 2003, so you are obviously not qualified to judge what was and was not there at that time. I give you a hint: most of this list was there at the time of US release. Mind that FF XIV is not at the time of release any more, it's well into its third month.
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darkhaze wrote:


Half of this list wasn't there either when FFXI was released in the states in 2002. Also add another year of fixes when it was release in Japan first. Comparing the two as a whole right now is like comparing apple vs orange.


The game has been released in the states in 2003, so you are obviously not qualified to judge what was and was not there at that time. I give you a hint: most of this list was there at the time of US release. Mind that FF XIV is not at the time of release any more, it's well into its third month.


Even in its 3rd month, that doesn't warrant a comparison with years of updates, fixes, tweaks, and expansions. Yes the game was lacking at release, but I think it's evident that SE is aiming to improve things for us, the players.
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As many people have stated, it's not practical to judge a MMO that's been out for almost a decade to a MMO that's been out for 2 months. Sure Final Fantasy XIV is missing features, but the majority of that list you presented came through FFXI with its expansions.
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Even in its 3rd month, that doesn't warrant a comparison with years of updates, fixes, tweaks, and expansions. Yes the game was lacking at release, but I think it's evident that SE is aiming to improve things for us, the players.


My opponent was comparing FF XI at the time of release, not with years of updates (it would be rather silly even for a hardcore FF XIV fanboy, would not it?). This does not mean FF XIV was comparable to FF XI at the time of release (even on the day 0 FF XI was a much better game) but it means that you guys should already stop this. The time of release has been several months ago it's not relevant any more.
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but has FFXIV done enough to claim the tital of "the new FFXI"

Are you nuts? New game gain the title of "New old game"? Seriously? New FFXI? Completelly different game? And are Suikoden Teirkreis or Dragonica Online has done enough to claim the title of "New FFXI" ? Or be it even "FF20"?

I hope your just kidding... new ffxi... completelly different game that are separate from each other and are going theirs own ways... hold me people or i will go into berserk mode...
#22 Dec 06 2010 at 3:45 AM Rating: Good
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I think there are enough threads about comparisons and "state of the game" reviews.
Patches are coming and by March 2011 you have other games to choose from (in case FFXIV doesn't do it for you).

Enjoy the game or go play WoW/War/Eve 'nuff said.
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HachiLihachi wrote:
ThePacster wrote:

Even in its 3rd month, that doesn't warrant a comparison with years of updates, fixes, tweaks, and expansions. Yes the game was lacking at release, but I think it's evident that SE is aiming to improve things for us, the players.


My opponent was comparing FF XI at the time of release, not with years of updates (it would be rather silly even for a hardcore FF XIV fanboy, would not it?). This does not mean FF XIV was comparable to FF XI at the time of release (even on the day 0 FF XI was a much better game) but it means that you guys should already stop this. The time of release has been several months ago it's not relevant any more.


Not really sure who you're referring to by "you guys" but I'm assuming you're referring to stopping the comparison between FFXIV and FFXI? If so then I wholeheartedly agree with you.

But I wouldn't say it's been several months, it won't even be three months until the end of this month, and I do feel that the fact that game is barely 3 months out the gate (regardless of what polish and content people expected) is relevant. Putting aside what people expected to see from this game, it has been released and we all have seen what the game currently has to offer. Having said that, every game no matter how big or small, or how long it's been out, requires time for content and fixes to be released. While I don't necessarily feel that the amount of content available at release is relevant, I do think people should consider that there's only so much you can push out on top of a release in less than three months.

I apologize if my post seems off base. My brain is a bit mushy from translating Japanese for the past 7 hours. @_@
#24 Dec 06 2010 at 4:02 AM Rating: Default
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LukeA wrote:
FFXI content:

EXP leveling.
Item Farming.
Notorios monster hunting.
Questing.
Main Cenario Questing.
Expansion Cenario Questing.
NPC, Adventuring fellow.
Building fame.
Chocobo riding.
Chocobo Racing.
Chocobo Breeding.
Airship Riding.
BCNM's (Berning Cercle Notorios monsters).
KSNM's (Kindrid Seal Notorios Monsters).
Supply Quests.
Garrison.
Besieged.
Unlocking Cavonus Maws.
Campagn battles.
Campagn Quests.
Crafting.
Balista.
Assult.
Synergy.
Sky God farming.
Sea farming.
Dynamis.
Gardening.
Mog house decoration.
Mining.
Logging.
Fishing.
Moblin Maze mongers.
The Moogle Lottery.
Obtaining Titles.
Maat's Cap quest.
Meriting.




FFXIV content:

EXP grinding.
Craft Grinding.
Fishing.
Botony.
Mining.
Harvesting.
Main Scenario Story.
Guild leves.


Fixed FFXIV content, since fishing, botany, and mining are essentially the same thing, just tilted differently.
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I hate the grammar police but your posts are so stupid its funny..."Cenarios", "Companys" to name a few....go to school and quit playing MMOs. Now why did I feel the need to rag on you? well, simply because you just put up a list of FFXI content vs. FFXIV content when FFXI's been out for 8 years almost and FFXIV 3 months. Now think about that, that is if you know how to think, and you'll realize why there is so much disparity in both lists. Does it justify FFXIV lacking so much content? no, not at all, but just saying.

Couldnt be bothered to reply too much so I will just put.

Agreed with the above. You can not CAN NOT compare these two.
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#27 Dec 06 2010 at 4:44 AM Rating: Good
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Fixed FFXIV content, since fishing, botany, and mining are essentially the same thing, just tilted differently.


Didn't bother doing the same for XI's mining and logging eh?

"Airship riding"? =/
"Unlocking Cavernous Maws"? =/

Should be noted that XIV's "EXP leveling" can be divided into quest grinding and mob grinding. XI's "EXP leveling" can also mean mob grinding w/ 6 people or Abyssea grinding.

What the game lacks compared to XI is a) Delivery options, b) More functional Market system, c) Better Grouping functions, d) Transportation options, and e) Content/Milestones.

Only one of them is acceptable, but I don't think it's going to take long before all of these are going to be implemented. At that point the game is finally going to get ahead of XI.

It will be even better if XIV handles some of those XI "activities" much better than it ever did. That's what I'm expecting.

Granted, we could take a look at what XIV does better than XI but I guess that's not relevant.
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#28 Dec 06 2010 at 4:50 AM Rating: Default
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but has FFXIV done enough to claim the tital of "the new FFXI"

Are you nuts? New game gain the title of "New old game"? Seriously? New FFXI? Completelly different game? And are Suikoden Teirkreis or Dragonica Online has done enough to claim the title of "New FFXI" ? Or be it even "FF20"?

I hope your just kidding... new ffxi... completelly different game that are separate from each other and are going theirs own ways... hold me people or i will go into berserk mode...


you can compare the 2 games.
simply put FFXIV, IS the sequel to FFXI.
the characters, the lands, the story, the maps. they all intertwine with the old FFXI.
and the market is the same. both games are identical in Brief.
Both large scale MMO's
Both Grind style games.
Both follow the same FF premise.
Both have similar Races characters.
Both the same Large scale environment.
Both have similar story development.
it differs only in fine detail, and content, in fact you could say the things that are different are the things that suck, i.e. the UI, and the Questing. yes FFXI is an old war horse of a game, but MADE BY THE SAME PEOPLE!
so the releas of FFXIV is not a "New take" on a FFXI game, it’s the "FFXI take" on a FF game.
it has the same player fan base. so if they want it to do as well as FFXI, or surpass it, then yes, it does need to be a NEW FFXI. because the people who stick around with FFXIV would be the same people who might stick with FFXI.

the endeavour in itself is a bit of an odd one, make a game that essentially a better version of FFXI.
so if it is just simply a better version of FFXI then what are they going to do with FFXI? they put loads of effort into it to try and keep the players playing it,
so there effectively competing against each other. 2 games fighting for the same fan base.
so comparing the 2 is essential, because it has to be at least as good as FFXI, and yes also sufficiently different.


not to mention, i played FFXI till the day of relies for FFXIV, and i dont remember any of the substantial updates for it ever needing as much maintenance as FFXIV dose. or any of them even being broken. entire expanded area's would be reliesed and no noticable bugs.



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not to mention, i played FFXI till the day of relies for FFXIV, and i dont remember any of the substantial updates for it ever needing as much maintenance as FFXIV dose. or any of them even being broken. entire expanded area's would be reliesed and no noticable bugs.


Wow. The servers weren't stable for like 6 months to the release. The first seasonal event crashed all the servers because of the server load.

Yes, when you join the game after a year and a half of it's release, things better be more stable.

But you don't even seem to remember what kind of spaghetti code XI was made of. Implement Scholar weather spells = Gears in Salvage become broken? The ****?
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#30LukeA, Posted: Dec 06 2010 at 5:12 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) oh your right, SE has made a game 8 years after the first with 8 years better tecnology, and 8 years better experiance and had the same problems.. good point! the first seosonal event crashed. and some of the end game had issues once.
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oh your right, SE has made a game 8 years after the first with 8 years better tecnology, and 8 years better experiance and had the same problems..


What kind of "same problems" are you talking about? As far as I know, all these problems are new. And the old problems... I don't see the servers crashing at the time of first seasonal event.. actually, they have been quite stable ever since the release. As they should be with 8 years of experience.

But yeah... same problems? Give me a briefing.
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oh your right, SE has made a game 8 years after the first with 8 years better tecnology, and 8 years better experiance and had the same problems..


What kind of "same problems" are you talking about? As far as I know, all these problems are new. And the old problems... I don't see the servers crashing at the time of first seasonal event.. actually, they have been quite stable ever since the release. As they should be with 8 years of experience.

But yeah... same problems? Give me a briefing.


ok, well not the exact same problems. But different problems on the same scale. Releasing things that seem to bug out.
they havent added anything new as far as im aware in FFXIV, just fixes to make the things they had better.
the servers still throws me off, and when they do and im in the middle of a Guild leave, (a pretty integral part of EXPing) i loose it, and cant get it back. !?
FFXI had its problems with the old servers, and the old Engine, and the under funded development team.
but they still produced consistant updates and expansions and additional content regularly, with little bugging.
and what they gave us wasent broken, unlike FFXIV the market wards... seriosly?
the UI.. the Durability?
yes FFXI had issues but issues with otherwise great content. that when fixed ran smooth.
id like to see how they plan to find a use for the marketwards.

FFXIV has not produced any additional content, and no plans to. no plans for the airships, no plans for chocobo, no plans for the AH, no Whispering of a MH. all the things that made FFXI fun an streamlined, and kept people doing new exiting things.
there all gona take forever to add.


look at it like this,
if FFXI as it is today, and FFXIV was to have everything that SE says there going to give it.
i think FFXI still is a better game.

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I didn't say he needs to be an English major mr. perfect...and I pretty much said I was attacking him because of the content of his post and not his grammar, I just used his grammar cuz it was easy.

I think you mean linguistics major, since few--if any--English majors become grammarians.

Grammarian is actually an antiquated profession that has long since been dissolved and reconstituted in the philosophies of language or, in more practical applications, linguistics.

See, I make the distinction because no respectable, university-level English course dwells on something as mundane as day-to-day English grammar. The role of the English major is to read (sometimes watch and/or listen to) texts, then unravel, interpret and discuss those texts. Grammar rarely has leverage in this case, as most texts have standard grammar, unless atypical grammar somehow contributes to the voice or mood of a certain text.

In all fairness, though, there is nothing I want more than to waste your time with this post.
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FFXI pushes its enginge to the absolute edge. The UI is slick, fast and as helpful as PS2 limitations will allow. Everything about the game is uniform and organised. The game is pretty much graphically bug free and technically sound, maintanence is minimal and zone crashes are scarce.


FFXIV wastes its engine. It could have gone so far, an done anything, but it didn't. It's still slow in comparisson to FFXI, clunky, and limited in reach. It's a mismatched mess, different elements pop up in random parts of the screen, with no real organisation. The game has many graphical bugs and irks which could have been easily fixed within the first year of development, let alone 5 years. The game seemingly constantly crashes, despite the whole beta test pretty much being a debug phase.
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FFXI pushes its enginge to the absolute edge. The UI is slick, fast and as helpful as PS2 limitations will allow. Everything about the game is uniform and organised. The game is pretty much graphically bug free and technically sound, maintanence is minimal and zone crashes are scarce.


FFXIV wastes its engine. It could have gone so far, an done anything, but it didn't. It's still slow in comparisson to FFXI, clunky, and limited in reach. It's a mismatched mess, different elements pop up in random parts of the screen, with no real organisation. The game has many graphical bugs and irks which could have been easily fixed within the first year of development, let alone 5 years. The game seemingly constantly crashes, despite the whole beta test pretty much being a debug phase.


totaly agree!
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ok, well not the exact same problems. But different problems on the same scale. Releasing things that seem to bug out.


This I don't understand. There are design problems, but are there so many bugs? Really?

XI had emergency maintenances for 2 weeks in a row at worst, simply because of the spaghetti code that broke 2 things while fixing one. And this happened with much smaller updates than in XIV.

I see that XIV has it's fair share of problems, but they are new problems. When people say they "didn't learn", I need to question what do they mean, because- all the problems in the game are new, and did not exist in XI. The biggest problem being the unfinished game, that wasn't a problem during the time of XI (even if the game was just as unfinished).

The new features are giving them the most problems... not so much the old ones.

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FFXI pushes its enginge to the absolute edge. The UI is slick, fast and as helpful as PS2 limitations will allow. Everything about the game is uniform and organised. The game is pretty much graphically bug free and technically sound, maintanence is minimal and zone crashes are scarce.


It wasn't always like this, and as we've seen, XIV is constantly improving their engine. XI's engine was just as "wasted" until they improved it.

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I think the important thing is you can't really compare a game that has been out for years to a game that has been out for what 2 month especially content wise.
Not to say FFXIV is perfect, but I think it has potential to grow.
Hopfully they will add something new and not make it FFXI 2.
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While I agree to a point that this is a seperate game and shouldnt be compaired to XI, you can still see a point to asking SE why they havent transfered what we all knew to be great from XI into XIV. SE have been running XI for 7ish years, and that experience should count for something.

I like that this game is very different to XI, but some things like a simple AH have been neglected in favour of a market ward system that doesnt function.

If something works, why change it? There is no point creating something new just for the sake of it being new, when you can still incorperate features like an AH or mog house, but keep the new game feeling fresh and different.

Analysing XI and compairing it to the XIV model was something that SE should have done during development to try and create a new game fused with the best features of the old. Because they didn't do this adequately, the player base (us) have been left doing just that when we shouldnt.
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okay im no video game designer; i work with php and actionscript. they are fairly linear to what i can imagine for a 3d mmo. i'm too stubborn to use 3rd client software or opensource for any thing other than reference, i do all my code from scratch from the base up. when i make a website for a client, i do reuse snippets of coding but i also try to learn from my mistakes by possibly adding more variables and spending time to make a larger library of functions. even though a client just sees a website and assumes everything is the same and i could use one function from a previous website in my current one just as easy is not neccessarily the case. it could be one variable difference that prevents copy and paste functionality.

point being, i'm tired of hearing ppl say "they did it in ffxi, why can't they just use that and put it into ffxiv" it just simply does not always work that way. i understand ppl's frustrations but pls try not to impress me with your ignorance.
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FFXIV has been made for updated PC systems and new consoles, using new engines and programming. There is no question that its impossible to simply copy/paste features into a new game, literaly and figeratively. BUT, take for instance mog houses. They were a place you could go to organise your inventory and store your items. Your mog was your retainer. Mog houses gave you your own, lag free space to go. Forget Moogles etc, a reinvention of this system would have been better than market wards, because we know it works.
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SolidMack wrote:
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english might not be his first language to the jack *** grammar police. also the oo its a new mmo so it wont have much is just a retarded comment. now if you said its a really poorly developed, terrible, and new mmo. then you could say that comment. just because a mmo is new doesn't give it the right to be this bad and lack even some off the most basic sh*t. ffxiv has even a terrible graphics engine, which is proven by how it isn't the best looking thing but still runs like it is.


Stay out of it smart *** if you don't read. I said the game has no excuse to be released with barely crap for content but how is comparing it to expansion packs from FFXI a fair comparison.

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@SolidMack - You didn't capitalize "well", and your use of ellipses is average at best.


I didn't say he needs to be an English major mr. perfect...and I pretty much said I was attacking him because of the content of his post and not his grammar, I just used his grammar cuz it was easy.

Edited, Dec 6th 2010 2:02am by SolidMack



ooOOooo get you, Mr "I can dish it out but cant take it" lol.


regardless.
as i said before, the list was a guide to surjestions for what content you would like to be added from FFXI.
or indeed, what you liked from FFXI and FFXIV.

i would love to see a Mog house, or a chocobo Raising Update. something to do besides the laborius grinding.
or something even better like a Beistiary!
were you got Trophies dipending on how many mobs youv killed, even maybe a * ratting like in FFXIII
something to direct people with the new awsome gear, and to force changes to battle tactics.




I'm not weeping...listen Mr. dyslectic, I don't buy it for a minute, I think you just want people feeling sorry for you because you've missed one too many classes in high school. I have a guy in Engineering with me, his 4th year, who is dyslectic and he does his exams faster than anyone in the entire class and gets higher marks. Yea I'm not buying it pal, and nowadays browsers will correct most of your spelling mistakes and dyslectic or otherwise, i'm sure the word "suggestions" doesn't sound like "surjestions" to you. As for the actual content of your post - I agree completely FFXIV needs more content, but why are you comparing it to content that FFXI got 4 or 5 years into its life?

Edited, Dec 6th 2010 10:08am by SolidMack

Edited, Dec 6th 2010 10:09am by SolidMack
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FFXIV has been made for updated PC systems and new consoles, using new engines and programming. There is no question that its impossible to simply copy/paste features into a new game, literaly and figeratively.


i hope you don't think that i was replying to you, because my statement wasn't really to anyone in particular on this thread. actually an LS mate tbh XD they said something to the sort of: "why can't they just add in chocobos? it wouldn't be that hard" that to me is just funny.

mog houses were nice and i hope they add them. it was one thing about ffxi that impressed me, i loved having my own space and stuff. and, you're absolutely right, lag free area to organize your stuff was excellent.
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Double post. sory

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SolidMack wrote:
LukeA wrote:
SolidMack wrote:
ironmonk25 wrote:
english might not be his first language to the jack *** grammar police. also the oo its a new mmo so it wont have much is just a retarded comment. now if you said its a really poorly developed, terrible, and new mmo. then you could say that comment. just because a mmo is new doesn't give it the right to be this bad and lack even some off the most basic sh*t. ffxiv has even a terrible graphics engine, which is proven by how it isn't the best looking thing but still runs like it is.


Stay out of it smart *** if you don't read. I said the game has no excuse to be released with barely crap for content but how is comparing it to expansion packs from FFXI a fair comparison.

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@SolidMack - You didn't capitalize "well", and your use of ellipses is average at best.


I didn't say he needs to be an English major mr. perfect...and I pretty much said I was attacking him because of the content of his post and not his grammar, I just used his grammar cuz it was easy.

Edited, Dec 6th 2010 2:02am by SolidMack



ooOOooo get you, Mr "I can dish it out but cant take it" lol.


regardless.
as i said before, the list was a guide to surjestions for what content you would like to be added from FFXI.
or indeed, what you liked from FFXI and FFXIV.

i would love to see a Mog house, or a chocobo Raising Update. something to do besides the laborius grinding.
or something even better like a Beistiary!
were you got Trophies dipending on how many mobs youv killed, even maybe a * ratting like in FFXIII
something to direct people with the new awsome gear, and to force changes to battle tactics.




I'm not weeping...listen Mr. dyslectic, I don't buy it for a minute, I think you just want people feeling sorry for you because you've missed one too many classes in high school. I have a guy in Engineering with me, his 4th year, who is dyslectic and he does his exams faster than anyone in the entire class and gets higher marks. Yea I'm not buying it pal, and nowadays browsers will correct most of your spelling mistakes and dyslectic or otherwise, i'm sure the word "suggestions" doesn't sound like "surjestions" to you. As for the actual content of your post - I agree completely FFXIV needs more content, but why are you comparing it to content that FFXI got 4 or 5 years into its life?

Edited, Dec 6th 2010 10:08am by SolidMack

Edited, Dec 6th 2010 10:09am by SolidMack


.. <.< i geuss im a different Dislexic. lol.

if you want to believe im just lazzy then go for it, Youl find that Dislexia comes in different forms,
i have Wrighting, and numeracy dificiancy. not so much with reading though.
some people cant read verry well at all, but are fine with everything els, im not asking anyone to feel sorry for me lol.
if im 25 and cant spell verry well thats my issue, just like you getting so cought up on a few spelling mistakes.
simply showing you to be a spelling **** lol, thats YOUR issue.

if you agree with my point, then there is nothing more to be said, your critisim of me personaly is moot.
and shows poor form.
im sure if i met you, i might spot one or two things that are substandard about you.
but i would not point them out.

if i cant spell verry well dose that make me better than you? arogant? or big headed, or in anyway obnoxious? no.
so why do you feel the need to Critisise something that im allready not as good at, as you. ?

(sorry to go off topic ppl, i felt the need to retort.)



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EmiyaShirou wrote:
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but has FFXIV done enough to claim the tital of "the new FFXI"

Are you nuts? New game gain the title of "New old game"? Seriously? New FFXI? Completelly different game? And are Suikoden Teirkreis or Dragonica Online has done enough to claim the title of "New FFXI" ? Or be it even "FF20"?

I hope your just kidding... new ffxi... completelly different game that are separate from each other and are going theirs own ways... hold me people or i will go into berserk mode...


you can compare the 2 games.
simply put FFXIV, IS the sequel to FFXI.
the characters, the lands, the story, the maps. they all intertwine with the old FFXI.
and the market is the same. both games are identical in Brief.
Both large scale MMO's
Both Grind style games.
Both follow the same FF premise.
Both have similar Races characters.
Both the same Large scale environment.
Both have similar story development.
it differs only in fine detail, and content, in fact you could say the things that are different are the things that suck, i.e. the UI, and the Questing. yes FFXI is an old war horse of a game, but MADE BY THE SAME PEOPLE!
so the releas of FFXIV is not a "New take" on a FFXI game, it’s the "FFXI take" on a FF game.
it has the same player fan base. so if they want it to do as well as FFXI, or surpass it, then yes, it does need to be a NEW FFXI. because the people who stick around with FFXIV would be the same people who might stick with FFXI.

the endeavour in itself is a bit of an odd one, make a game that essentially a better version of FFXI.
so if it is just simply a better version of FFXI then what are they going to do with FFXI? they put loads of effort into it to try and keep the players playing it,
so there effectively competing against each other. 2 games fighting for the same fan base.
so comparing the 2 is essential, because it has to be at least as good as FFXI, and yes also sufficiently different.


not to mention, i played FFXI till the day of relies for FFXIV, and i dont remember any of the substantial updates for it ever needing as much maintenance as FFXIV dose. or any of them even being broken. entire expanded area's would be reliesed and no noticable bugs.



Edited, Dec 6th 2010 5:52am by LukeA


I'm still against comparing two different new and old games... it's like comparing other ff-series...

And they aren't sequels even... sequel is the same world, same environment and stuff. Character may differ, and some things may be added... People really want to make FFXI-2 from this game... maybe SE after implementing all FFXI to XIV should change the title... since people already think it's a continuation :/
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The fact that FFXI had an auction house is putting it way out in front, in my opinion. Smiley: glare

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LukeA wrote:
SolidMack wrote:
LukeA wrote:
SolidMack wrote:
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english might not be his first language to the jack *** grammar police. also the oo its a new mmo so it wont have much is just a retarded comment. now if you said its a really poorly developed, terrible, and new mmo. then you could say that comment. just because a mmo is new doesn't give it the right to be this bad and lack even some off the most basic sh*t. ffxiv has even a terrible graphics engine, which is proven by how it isn't the best looking thing but still runs like it is.


Stay out of it smart *** if you don't read. I said the game has no excuse to be released with barely crap for content but how is comparing it to expansion packs from FFXI a fair comparison.

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@SolidMack - You didn't capitalize "well", and your use of ellipses is average at best.


I didn't say he needs to be an English major mr. perfect...and I pretty much said I was attacking him because of the content of his post and not his grammar, I just used his grammar cuz it was easy.

Edited, Dec 6th 2010 2:02am by SolidMack



ooOOooo get you, Mr "I can dish it out but cant take it" lol.


regardless.
as i said before, the list was a guide to surjestions for what content you would like to be added from FFXI.
or indeed, what you liked from FFXI and FFXIV.

i would love to see a Mog house, or a chocobo Raising Update. something to do besides the laborius grinding.
or something even better like a Beistiary!
were you got Trophies dipending on how many mobs youv killed, even maybe a * ratting like in FFXIII
something to direct people with the new awsome gear, and to force changes to battle tactics.




I'm not weeping...listen Mr. dyslectic, I don't buy it for a minute, I think you just want people feeling sorry for you because you've missed one too many classes in high school. I have a guy in Engineering with me, his 4th year, who is dyslectic and he does his exams faster than anyone in the entire class and gets higher marks. Yea I'm not buying it pal, and nowadays browsers will correct most of your spelling mistakes and dyslectic or otherwise, i'm sure the word "suggestions" doesn't sound like "surjestions" to you. As for the actual content of your post - I agree completely FFXIV needs more content, but why are you comparing it to content that FFXI got 4 or 5 years into its life?

Edited, Dec 6th 2010 10:08am by SolidMack

Edited, Dec 6th 2010 10:09am by SolidMack


.. <.< i geuss im a different Dislexic. lol.

if you want to believe im just lazzy then go for it, Youl find that Dislexia comes in different forms,
i have Wrighting, and numeracy dificiancy. not so much with reading though.
some people cant read verry well at all, but are fine with everything els, im not asking anyone to feel sorry for me lol.
if im 25 and cant spell verry well thats my issue, just like you getting so cought up on a few spelling mistakes.
simply showing you to be a spelling **** lol, thats YOUR issue.

if you agree with my point, then there is nothing more to be said, your critisim of me personaly is moot.
and shows poor form.
im sure if i met you, i might spot one or two things that are substandard about you.
but i would not point them out.

if i cant spell verry well dose that make me better than you? arogant? or big headed, or in anyway obnoxious? no.
so why do you feel the need to Critisise something that im allready not as good at, as you. ?

(sorry to go off topic ppl, i felt the need to retort.)





Again I told you I attacked your grammar because it was easy, not because I care - I also explained why you comparing FFXIV with FFXI content is stupid and still you seem to be going back the the grammar each time. I'm sure we all have flaws, I don't think I'm better than you or anyone else - but dyslexia only gives you a flaw in reading/spelling/etc., there's a little logic missing in your post too. Lets get back on topic and tell me how is comparing FFXI's 8 year content pack to FFXIV's 3 months old one any fair? again, I agree completely, I've been one of the more vocal on here with ragards to how stupid it was of SE to release the game with so little to do, but I think your expectations are too high.
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im not asking anyone to feel sorry for me lol.


if i were you, i wouldn't get too involved in apologizing to others or explaining yourself; it is a slippery road to self-loathing.

LukeA wrote:

if im 25 and cant spell verry well thats my issue, just like you getting so cought up on a few spelling mistakes.
simply showing you to be a spelling **** lol, thats YOUR issue.


my boss called me into his office to spell 'vacuum'; some ppl just can't spell. he's a wiz at business tho. i hate spelling ****'s too. they have small tolerance for an environment that they willingly participate in and i think it reflects some sort of lack of control in their own life, but that is a bias assumption.

end point: don't worry bout it.

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FFXI content:

EXP leveling.
Item Farming.
Notorios monster hunting.
Questing.
Main Cenario Questing.
Expansion Cenario Questing.
NPC, Adventuring fellow.
Building fame.
Chocobo riding.
Chocobo Racing.
Chocobo Breeding.
Airship Riding.
BCNM's (Berning Cercle Notorios monsters).
KSNM's (Kindrid Seal Notorios Monsters).
Supply Quests.
Garrison.
Besieged.
Unlocking Cavonus Maws.
Campagn battles.
Campagn Quests.
Crafting.
Balista.
Assult.
Synergy.
Sky God farming.
Sea farming.
Dynamis.
Gardening.
Mog house decoration.
Mining.
Logging.
Fishing.
Moblin Maze mongers.
The Moogle Lottery.
Obtaining Titles.
Maat's Cap quest.
Meriting.




FFXIV content:

EXP grinding.
Craft Grinding.
Fishing.
Botony.
Mining.
Main Cenario Story.
Guild leves.


...Tell me if i missed anything out.



FFXI - 5+ YEARS TO OBTAIN THAT LIST

FFXIV - September 2010 - December 2010.

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IzanagaAsura wrote:
FFXIV has been made for updated PC systems and new consoles, using new engines and programming. There is no question that its impossible to simply copy/paste features into a new game, literaly and figeratively.


i hope you don't think that i was replying to you, because my statement wasn't really to anyone in particular on this thread. actually an LS mate tbh XD they said something to the sort of: "why can't they just add in chocobos? it wouldn't be that hard" that to me is just funny.

mog houses were nice and i hope they add them. it was one thing about ffxi that impressed me, i loved having my own space and stuff. and, you're absolutely right, lag free area to organize your stuff was excellent.


Lol no i knew your post was a general statement, I just felt I had something to add to it in response. I was trying to point out that a cut/paste scenario would be pointless even if it were possible, which it isnt. I dont want to play the same game I have been playing for the last 7 years, I want a new one. Still, that doesnt mean that some realy good features like mog houses cannot be re-created in a new way to be included in XIV :)
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XxMeegsxX wrote:
[quote=LukeA]FFXI content:

FFXI - 5+ YEARS TO OBTAIN THAT LIST

FFXIV - September 2010 - December 2010.

Keep holding your breath, it will get better.


I totaly agree. SE are clearly working hard to get the game on track, and we cannot complain too much since none of us have paid a single penny of subscription yet. We should wait and see what comes in the future. Another six months (which lets face it is a teething period for any new MMO) should see a dramatic improvement.
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