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#52 Dec 09 2010 at 9:34 PM Rating: Default
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Try googling "Mithra Ninja" and then try to associate it with FFXIV vs. FFXI. I think that is the reason for naming conventions, and they had to pick from something.
#53 Dec 09 2010 at 9:53 PM Rating: Good
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The didn't use the old names because the old names have roles attached to them. Paladin? Tank. Black Mage? Nuker. Summoner? Pet Job. Bard? Support. You get where I am going with this.

What I believe Square wanted to do with this game is allow you to create your own identity, not one chosen for you based on what your job is. Conjurer can heal, but nuke as well. Marauder and Puligist can damage deal, but become a tank if assigned the correct skills. They kept the names generalized because of the stigma that comes with the job title.
#54 Dec 09 2010 at 11:37 PM Rating: Default
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I could care less. They could call a conjurer a flaming monkey humper, but as long as the spells still work, I'd play it.

I know I'm a little late on this topic but I have to say: FLAMING MONKEY HUMPERS FTW!!!
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moemoe wrote:
Jefro420 wrote:
I could care less. They could call a conjurer a flaming monkey humper, but as long as the spells still work, I'd play it.

I know I'm a little late on this topic but I have to say: FLAMING MONKEY HUMPERS FTW!!!


I believe the title "Flaming Monkey Humper" belonged to Michael Jackson. Bubbles owns the copyright now.
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#56MclarenTAGPorsche, Posted: Dec 10 2010 at 8:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If by americanize you mean these stupid class names yea. Before i entered i thought americanize would be similar to dumbing down the game difficult like wow.
#57 Dec 10 2010 at 8:54 PM Rating: Decent
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...and they did it with silly little things. Let me ask all of you here a question, would any of you not have played the game if the classes were your typical "FF" classes by name? I mean Gladiator is Paladin, Marauder is Warrior, Pugilist is Monk, Conjurer is Blackmage (more or less), Archer is ok and Thaumaturge is probably a debilitating class maybe call it Redmage oh and of course Lancer is a Dragoon.

This stuff doesn't annoy me too much but when I think back to most FF games I've played and FFXI they had a more "Final Fantasy" feel to them, this game seems to strip that away a little. Maybe when they have functional airships and Chocobos, that feeling will come back but why did they have to go and change the class names? I read somewhere long ago about them doing this to make it more appealing to the American market. Now I dunno about you guys but I think the game has bigger problems than some class names....if they thought this game would only be held back because of its class names, boy where they in for a big surprise lol.

So anyway, would any of you seriously not have considered playing the game because of the class names? would you guys have loved the older class names instead? I'm asking this because the Japanese version of the game (I believe) uses the usual class names that were used in FFXI, which I found a little odd (and someone correct me if i'm wrong on this please).

Do you prefer the "vintage" class names or the new ones?
Vintage baby! give me my Dragoons, Dark Knights and Paladins! :137 (57.3%)
Out with the old, in with the new! my Pugiilist is better than any Monk I know! :14 (5.9%)
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First off Gladiator is Not Paladin. Paladins come with heals and mana by default, Gladiators do not. What made drg's drg's was their wyvern pet, take that away and they're just a lancer. The original game only had the basic types to start off with. war mnk whm blm rdm. Then later came Advanced Classes, such as pld drk drg etc.

For now, as far as we can see there is no room for advanced types such as "Paladins" simply because the way armoury system works you take spells and abilities from other classes to make your'e Gladiator a "Paladin."

Farther down the road maybe they will add a more specialized, actual paladin class, and the prerequisite may be "having gladiator at rank 20 AND conjurer at 20 before you are granted access to 'paladin.'" Another example, to gain access to White Mage, you must have Conjurer at rank 30." To gain access to Red mage you must have Conjurer at rank 20 and Thm at rank 20. etc etc.

Edit: The proper term would probably be "westernized." As America didn't exist when pretty much all these class names came into existence sometime before Jesus was born irl.

Edited, Dec 10th 2010 9:58pm by Pyroromancer
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#58 Dec 10 2010 at 9:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Yea guys I know Gladiator isn't Paladin and Lancer isn't Dragoon (and Dragoon, btw, isn't associated with Wyvern in any FF game but for FFXI afaik, i'm thinking of FFIV and I'm pretty sure Dragoon there was simply a Lancer) and so on but I'm pretty sure the Japanese class names are the classic ones we know from previous FF titles. I understand that these roles are more like starting points and you can use them to make whatever class you want but whether they called them Gladiators or Paladins or Warriors wouldn't make a difference and I think the classic names would be better. If someone can confirm that the Japanese version of the game uses the classic class names I'd appreciate it!
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I don't see anything "American" about the names. In fact, they seem less "Americanized" than "white mage, warrior, ninja" etc. These names seem more exotic than traditional names.

However I agree that these classes do not fit traditional titles. A Gladiator is not a Warrior nor a Paladin nor a Knight. It is new, therefore it deserves a new name. Just like Conjurer; it uses curing spells AND elemental offensive spells. If anything conjurer is both black and white mage, but it isn't a typical red mage either in that it does not use blades in melee combat. Therefore it needs a new name. Conjurer is as good as any I guess.

These names feel less specific to us because they're new. When you think of it, monks are typically fat balding pacifists who wear robes and live in churches their whole lives. Why do we as final fantasy players view monks as muscled bound meat heads who kill stuff with their bare hands? In time we'll be familiar with the FFXIV names and won't think twice about them just like we don't think twice about "monk" even though it is almost the opposite of the real-life definition.

Edited, Dec 8th 2010 9:12pm by Hydragyrum

judging by your perception of a "typical monk" i'll assume that you dont know many, if any monks at all.....
and before it is mention. Yes, I do. I frequent the temple often.
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#60 Dec 11 2010 at 11:33 AM Rating: Good
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SolidMack wrote:
If someone can confirm that the Japanese version of the game uses the classic class names I'd appreciate it!


In this very thread....


Rinsui wrote:
...no. Actually the Japanese names deviate even more from the traditional ones. Most are literal translations for the westernized/latinized names used in the US version. Like "Sword Fighter" for "Gladiator", "Brawl Fighter" for "Pugilist" and "Spear Fighter" for "Lancer". So it's even more boring - just "Weapon + Fighter" for a name. An exception are the mage classes; "Conjurer" translates as "Illusionist", and the mega-awkward "Thaumaturge" is a pretty cool "Curse Spellmaster" in the Japanese version.

That said - I miss White Mages and Warriors just as much as anyone else.

Btw: As unlikely as it may seem, you guys actually seem to have received the better version this time round. When I read, for example, the guildleve descriptions on Alla and compare them with the ones on my own leves, the English version almost always outshines the Japanese one. To a degree where I begin asking myself which one is the original, and which one the localization.





Edited, Dec 11th 2010 5:38pm by PerrinofSylph
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PerrinofSylph wrote:
SolidMack wrote:
If someone can confirm that the Japanese version of the game uses the classic class names I'd appreciate it!


In this very thread....


Rinsui wrote:
...no. Actually the Japanese names deviate even more from the traditional ones. Most are literal translations for the westernized/latinized names used in the US version. Like "Sword Fighter" for "Gladiator", "Brawl Fighter" for "Pugilist" and "Spear Fighter" for "Lancer". So it's even more boring - just "Weapon + Fighter" for a name. An exception are the mage classes; "Conjurer" translates as "Illusionist", and the mega-awkward "Thaumaturge" is a pretty cool "Curse Spellmaster" in the Japanese version.

That said - I miss White Mages and Warriors just as much as anyone else.

Btw: As unlikely as it may seem, you guys actually seem to have received the better version this time round. When I read, for example, the guildleve descriptions on Alla and compare them with the ones on my own leves, the English version almost always outshines the Japanese one. To a degree where I begin asking myself which one is the original, and which one the localization.





Edited, Dec 11th 2010 5:38pm by PerrinofSylph


Oh completely missed it, thanks for pointing it out. OK NOW i remember what I read, they said that with Japanese players they can be more blunt and more "indicative" with their class names, like you said there Rinsui, Thaumaturge is Curse Spellcaster, its very straight forward and indicative of what the class is whereas for the American or non-Japanese crowd they said that these type of names wouldn't be very welcomed. I guess it had nothing to do with the classic class names. Smiley: clown


Edited, Dec 11th 2010 1:47pm by SolidMack
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#62 Dec 11 2010 at 7:48 PM Rating: Decent
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While I don't actually LIKE the new names, I do think they're more appropriate than the Japanese ones, definitely more Americanized, but not as a change from the traditional names-- the Japanese don't have those names either.

For all intents and purposes, you got what you asked for. Rather than naming the classes sword-user, axe-user, etc., they chose Western-friendly names like Gladiator and Archer. Do FF fans wish they'd just use classic names? Yes, but they weren't just trying to appeal to FF fans.

The Japanese names are more fitting since the classes aren't really classes in the first place.
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Jefro420 wrote:
I could care less. They could call a conjurer a flaming monkey humper, but as long as the spells still work, I'd play it.


I think I'm gonna level Flaming Monkey Humper now.
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