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#202 Dec 10 2010 at 2:45 PM Rating: Default
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hopefully this game will be saved, right now it's just pure trash. Maybe a lot of the players are crafting whores, but I simply dont play MMO to be crafting more than killing monsters, venture into dungeons, etc. Not to mention there are zero interaction in the server I am on, perhaps a lot of people quit due to lack of content, and I am becoming one of them.

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Shut the servers down, redo ALL the problem areas with the new people in charge and on the team now. MAKE THIS GAME WHAT WE WANT! Don't open the servers until its FINISHED! If you push back the PS3 release then you may as well SHUT THE WHOLE THING DOWN. I play on PC atm but will be playing on PS3. There is NO point in playing this game as of now. CLOSE down, REDO it, COMPLETE it, OPEN it back up. Take your time SE, redo the battle regimens, battle system, quest system, and economy system. I wouldn't be saying this but this game just needs to much work. I think it would be a lot easier and -->FASTER<-- to make these changes if the servers weren't live.

If they happen to F* up again then guess what?

First time, shame on you SE,
Second time, shame on US!

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#204 Dec 10 2010 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I hope it's not "You need a party to progress..." if so I will be very ********** like being able to solo and duo with my hubbie. I don't want to deal with others in my party if I don't have to.
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#205 Dec 10 2010 at 4:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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I hope it's not "You need a party to progress..." if so I will be very ********** like being able to solo and duo with my hubbie. I don't want to deal with others in my party if I don't have to.


I doubt you have much to worry about. Tanaka said XI was created to be his vision of the ideal MMO. As such, core mechanics like 6+ players to achieve anything was his ideal gameplay. XIV is geared for small groups and would need an overhaul of players and mobs alike to require any more.

As for the announcement, they've been told core mechanics and game elements just weren't working since at least May, yet they persisted. This is the fruits of the choices they made. I have my hope renewed again.
#206 Dec 10 2010 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Got to say I agree with the poster on the previous page. This is SE considering cancelling the PS3 release altogether; if FFXIV does not start to show some sort of improving trend, it's simply not going to happen. Sad, but true.
#207 Dec 10 2010 at 4:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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I hope this is a step in the right direction. There is a lot of potential with this game, I look forward to updates to come. Hopefully the fan base doesn't vanish before any good changes come. I wish the new team all the best.
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#208 Dec 10 2010 at 4:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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I hope it's not "You need a party to progress..." if so I will be very ********** like being able to solo and duo with my hubbie. I don't want to deal with others in my party if I don't have to.


I doubt you have much to worry about. Tanaka said XI was created to be his vision of the ideal MMO. As such, core mechanics like 6+ players to achieve anything was his ideal gameplay. XIV is geared for small groups and would need an overhaul of players and mobs alike to require any more.

As for the announcement, they've been told core mechanics and game elements just weren't working since at least May, yet they persisted. This is the fruits of the choices they made. I have my hope renewed again.


To be fair, tweaking mobs such that they require groups instead of being soloable/duoable isn't too difficult to tweak. A couple changes to mob HP and stats and your solo game is now a party game.

I strongly doubt they will go in that direction though.
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#209 Dec 10 2010 at 6:32 PM Rating: Default
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All of you have been saying "this is a step in the right direction" for months now. The only thing that will put this putrid piece of **** company in the right direction is a fire-sale of all the staff and the canceling of this game.

How a game can go from FFX quality to this heaping piece of **** in 10 years is amazing. The entire company should be ashamed of themselves.

This is from someone who never played FFXIV, and never will.
#210 Dec 10 2010 at 6:39 PM Rating: Decent
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All of you have been saying "this is a step in the right direction" for months now. The only thing that will put this putrid piece of sh*t company in the right direction is a fire-sale of all the staff and the canceling of this game.

How a game can go from FFX quality to this heaping piece of sh*t in 10 years is amazing. The entire company should be ashamed of themselves.

This is from someone who never played FFXIV, and never will.


Good for you, btw, they were criticized for FFX, as well as FFX-2, so in essence you're saying they go from **** to more **** makes no sense in the context of going from "good to bad" that you were using. I personally liked FFX, however FFXIV isn't bad, it's just not what it COULD have been.
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Mistress Theonehio wrote:
Sloannn wrote:
All of you have been saying "this is a step in the right direction" for months now. The only thing that will put this putrid piece of sh*t company in the right direction is a fire-sale of all the staff and the canceling of this game.

How a game can go from FFX quality to this heaping piece of sh*t in 10 years is amazing. The entire company should be ashamed of themselves.

This is from someone who never played FFXIV, and never will.


Good for you, btw, they were criticized for FFX, as well as FFX-2, so in essence you're saying they go from sh*t to more sh*t makes no sense in the context of going from "good to bad" that you were using. I personally liked FFX, however FFXIV isn't bad, it's just not what it COULD have been.


Stop playing devils advocate for no reason. FFX was widely considered a great game by critics and fans alike, the exact opposite of this trash. Not to mention FFX-2 came after FFX. If you read between the lines it's pretty obvious SE's quality has been dwindling severely.
#212 Dec 10 2010 at 7:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sloannn wrote:
All of you have been saying "this is a step in the right direction" for months now. The only thing that will put this putrid piece of sh*t company in the right direction is a fire-sale of all the staff and the canceling of this game.

How a game can go from FFX quality to this heaping piece of sh*t in 10 years is amazing. The entire company should be ashamed of themselves.

This is from someone who never played FFXIV, and never will.


Game will improve every month based on user feedback, as it has been. Obviously it's not playable now, but it was better than open beta.

Since you will never play FFXIV it's probably time to move along as you are not really gaining anything by being here, unless of course you are under the impression that we cared whether you personally will play this game or not. I'll save you the trouble - nobody gives a ****.
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#213 Dec 10 2010 at 7:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Sloannn wrote:
All of you have been saying "this is a step in the right direction" for months now. The only thing that will put this putrid piece of sh*t company in the right direction is a fire-sale of all the staff and the canceling of this game.

How a game can go from FFX quality to this heaping piece of sh*t in 10 years is amazing. The entire company should be ashamed of themselves.

This is from someone who never played FFXIV, and never will.
FF12 and FF13 were significantly better than FFX so I'm not too concerned.
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#214 Dec 10 2010 at 7:55 PM Rating: Good
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WOW. Congrats on making I'm sure was a very difficult, but the right move. I'll be sticking around either way. I have confidence in the game and this reassures it.
#215 Dec 10 2010 at 7:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm very excited about this. It's so unprecedented that I'm not sure what to say, really.

Although, I DO hope that they don't lean to heavily in the XI direction. I loved that game but want a totally different one here. If I wanted it to be identical to XI, I'd still play that. Ya know?

But at the very least, search function {yes, please}.
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#216 Dec 10 2010 at 8:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Sloannn wrote:
All of you have been saying "this is a step in the right direction" for months now. The only thing that will put this putrid piece of sh*t company in the right direction is a fire-sale of all the staff and the canceling of this game.

How a game can go from FFX quality to this heaping piece of sh*t in 10 years is amazing. The entire company should be ashamed of themselves.

This is from someone who never played FFXIV, and never will.


Game will improve every month based on user feedback, as it has been. Obviously it's not playable now, but it was better than open beta.

Since you will never play FFXIV it's probably time to move along as you are not really gaining anything by being here, unless of course you are under the impression that we cared whether you personally will play this game or not. I'll save you the trouble - nobody gives a @#%^.


SE could literally take a **** in some of your mouths, but as long as they say "we'll clean it up eventually" it's OK to some of you. I never bought FFXIV, but I played a bit of beta, and used to follow the development of this game very closely, to say they have taken a step back from FFXI is an understatement. I have NEVER seen this level of incompetence from a major company, it's mind boggling how many bad choices they made. It's like they were in a maze and kept choosing the wrong direction over and over again.

You hear about a major company making a new MMORPG and it's excited everyone naturally. Right from the get go you see the same races. This screams that SE was never out of their comfort zone. FFXIV could never decide if it was it's own installment to the franchise, you see the same cookie cutter races, then they announce that there will be 4 major cities right from the get go. They restricted this game immensely. The moment you think they are going to be making a clone of FFXI, they complete leave out an AH. Remember the first battle system in beta? SE's response to the negative criticism of the first battle system "we never liked that one anyway, we had another we were always planning to use". How can you seriously invest your money in a company like that, one that lacks so much confidence. The entire fact that they openly volunteered to give interviews at gaming expos, only to respond with "we can't speak of that information now" for every ******* question should say enough.

SE extends free trial: "This is step in the right direction, it's good to see SE manning up". "Just reactivated my account :)" etc.
November update in progress: "It's about time SE took some incentive. Looks like I will give them another chance! "
SE demotes entire staff, postpones PS3 release: "Finally, a step in the right direction! To think I was just about to quit the game. Props SE!"

You people are insane, how long can this company live off of their reputation?
#217 Dec 10 2010 at 8:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not totally suprised but I think this ship has sunk already :( SE even announced today they cancelled Highlander permamently which was in development for years, clearly a company in big trouble. I will keep my fingers crossed that they pull a rabbit out of their *** and get their **** together, but I have my doubts.
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Sloannn wrote:
All of you have been saying "this is a step in the right direction" for months now. The only thing that will put this putrid piece of sh*t company in the right direction is a fire-sale of all the staff and the canceling of this game.

How a game can go from FFX quality to this heaping piece of sh*t in 10 years is amazing. The entire company should be ashamed of themselves.

This is from someone who never played FFXIV, and never will.



Then why are you even trolling this forum if you have never even PLAYED the game. There are plenty of people out there who enjoy the game even for what it lacks. If you want to make constructive criticism, at least have some experience to back it up.
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Quit arguing about Auto-attack. Its a matter of preference. There's no right answer.

There's also no reason it can't be an option that you toggle on or off... and don't tell me all the reasons that it can't work within the confines of the current configuration. Obviously things can be changed to support a toggled auto-attack option.


Actually, there is a reason. The fundamental design of the battle system doesn't allow for it because stamina gain is very specific which means it had to be designed with auto-attack in mind from the get go in order to toggle it on or off, since auto-attack = auto stamina depletion at x interval with the ability to STILL do basic attacks ontop of auto attack.

It's being argued because the battle system has to be either for or against auto-attack, not co-exist without a redesign.


Oh, you skipped the part where I said don't tell me how it can't be done within the constraints of the current battle configuration. Obviously they could create a system that could utilize either manual or auto attack. You're like the guy who said that automobiles can't possibly get over 15 mpg due to limitations of the carburator. Well, gee, redesign the vehicle so that it no longer uses a carburator.

And there was no need to rate me down because I suggested an optional auto-attack. Especailly since I'm betting that's exactly what we will get.
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Sloannn wrote:
All of you have been saying "this is a step in the right direction" for months now. The only thing that will put this putrid piece of sh*t company in the right direction is a fire-sale of all the staff and the canceling of this game.

How a game can go from FFX quality to this heaping piece of sh*t in 10 years is amazing. The entire company should be ashamed of themselves.

This is from someone who never played FFXIV, and never will.



Then why are you even trolling this forum if you have never even PLAYED the game. There are plenty of people out there who enjoy the game even for what it lacks. If you want to make constructive criticism, at least have some experience to back it up.


So anything constructive towards SE is considered trolling? Was it harsh, absolutely, but that's what they need, a big ******* wake up call. What do sports teams do when they are playing bad? They either tank, fire the staff, or trade for youth. SE needs to follow suit, and extending the free trial and putting more idiots up to the task isn't doing that.

I played FFXI for 4 years, and played the FFXIV beta long enough to realize SE doesn't deserve to own the rights to such a prestigious franchise anymore. There's your experience.
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Wow, I don't really know what to say. In all the years I've been a loyal SE fan I've never seen them go so above and beyond the call of duty like this. Though I suppose they've never really been in such dire straits like they have with FFXIV that warranted such action. This certainly reaffirms the idea that SE absolutely wants FFXIV to succeed where other companies might have just cut their losses at this point.
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#222 Dec 10 2010 at 10:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sloannn wrote:
Buttsniffa wrote:
Sloannn wrote:
All of you have been saying "this is a step in the right direction" for months now. The only thing that will put this putrid piece of sh*t company in the right direction is a fire-sale of all the staff and the canceling of this game.

How a game can go from FFX quality to this heaping piece of sh*t in 10 years is amazing. The entire company should be ashamed of themselves.

This is from someone who never played FFXIV, and never will.



Then why are you even trolling this forum if you have never even PLAYED the game. There are plenty of people out there who enjoy the game even for what it lacks. If you want to make constructive criticism, at least have some experience to back it up.


So anything constructive towards SE is considered trolling? Was it harsh, absolutely, but that's what they need, a big @#%^ing wake up call. What do sports teams do when they are playing bad? They either tank, fire the staff, or trade for youth. SE needs to follow suit, and extending the free trial and putting more idiots up to the task isn't doing that.

I played FFXI for 4 years, and played the FFXIV beta long enough to realize SE doesn't deserve to own the rights to such a prestigious franchise anymore. There's your experience.



No simply put, you didn't say you played the beta, and there was nothing constructive towards SE in what you wrote. Can't say I disagree though having played the "real" thing.
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Mithsavvy wrote:
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Quit arguing about Auto-attack. Its a matter of preference. There's no right answer.

There's also no reason it can't be an option that you toggle on or off... and don't tell me all the reasons that it can't work within the confines of the current configuration. Obviously things can be changed to support a toggled auto-attack option.


Actually, there is a reason. The fundamental design of the battle system doesn't allow for it because stamina gain is very specific which means it had to be designed with auto-attack in mind from the get go in order to toggle it on or off, since auto-attack = auto stamina depletion at x interval with the ability to STILL do basic attacks ontop of auto attack.

It's being argued because the battle system has to be either for or against auto-attack, not co-exist without a redesign.


Oh, you skipped the part where I said don't tell me how it can't be done within the constraints of the current battle configuration. Obviously they could create a system that could utilize either manual or auto attack. You're like the guy who said that automobiles can't possibly get over 15 mpg due to limitations of the carburator. Well, gee, redesign the vehicle so that it no longer uses a carburator.

And there was no need to rate me down because I suggested an optional auto-attack. Especailly since I'm betting that's exactly what we will get.


I don't recall rating that post down.
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Sloannn wrote:
odinpingpong wrote:
Sloannn wrote:
All of you have been saying "this is a step in the right direction" for months now. The only thing that will put this putrid piece of sh*t company in the right direction is a fire-sale of all the staff and the canceling of this game.

How a game can go from FFX quality to this heaping piece of sh*t in 10 years is amazing. The entire company should be ashamed of themselves.

This is from someone who never played FFXIV, and never will.


Game will improve every month based on user feedback, as it has been. Obviously it's not playable now, but it was better than open beta.

Since you will never play FFXIV it's probably time to move along as you are not really gaining anything by being here, unless of course you are under the impression that we cared whether you personally will play this game or not. I'll save you the trouble - nobody gives a @#%^.


SE could literally take a sh*t in some of your mouths, but as long as they say "we'll clean it up eventually" it's OK to some of you. I never bought FFXIV, but I played a bit of beta, and used to follow the development of this game very closely, to say they have taken a step back from FFXI is an understatement. I have NEVER seen this level of incompetence from a major company, it's mind boggling how many bad choices they made. It's like they were in a maze and kept choosing the wrong direction over and over again.

You hear about a major company making a new MMORPG and it's excited everyone naturally. Right from the get go you see the same races. This screams that SE was never out of their comfort zone. FFXIV could never decide if it was it's own installment to the franchise, you see the same cookie cutter races, then they announce that there will be 4 major cities right from the get go. They restricted this game immensely. The moment you think they are going to be making a clone of FFXI, they complete leave out an AH. Remember the first battle system in beta? SE's response to the negative criticism of the first battle system "we never liked that one anyway, we had another we were always planning to use". How can you seriously invest your money in a company like that, one that lacks so much confidence. The entire fact that they openly volunteered to give interviews at gaming expos, only to respond with "we can't speak of that information now" for every @#%^ing question should say enough.

SE extends free trial: "This is step in the right direction, it's good to see SE manning up". "Just reactivated my account :)" etc.
November update in progress: "It's about time SE took some incentive. Looks like I will give them another chance! "
SE demotes entire staff, postpones PS3 release: "Finally, a step in the right direction! To think I was just about to quit the game. Props SE!"

You people are insane, how long can this company live off of their reputation?


Their previous MMORPG is the best game I have ever played, by far. The level of immersion was unparralleled, it was everything a true MMORPG was supposed to be. I'll give SE the benefit of the doubt since the game is only 3 months old and better than FFXI was at 3 months old.
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So anything constructive towards SE is considered trolling? Was it harsh, absolutely, but that's what they need, a big @#%^ing wake up call. What do sports teams do when they are playing bad? They either tank, fire the staff, or trade for youth. SE needs to follow suit, and extending the free trial and putting more idiots up to the task isn't doing that.

I played FFXI for 4 years, and played the FFXIV beta long enough to realize SE doesn't deserve to own the rights to such a prestigious franchise anymore. There's your experience.


Constructive? You call your vulgar, bias, insulting bile of rants constructive!?

You sir are more blind than the people you insult.

If you haven't and will never play FFXIV, then you have no business on these boards. Go to whatever game section is appropriate for the games you're actually playing. If your purpose here is to insult (Not even really criticizing.) Square Enix to express your inner desire to validate any and all of your negative claims against the company, then here's not the place to do it.

You want to a critique a company, learn how to write like a journalist, and take your personal reactions and bias OUT of your statements. (And do some god-damned research. Sales speak louder than reviews do.)

Otherwise, opinions are like @#%^s and I'm tired of dogs like you rubbing yours all over the park thinking it's cute, or justified.

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So anything constructive towards SE is considered trolling? Was it harsh, absolutely, but that's what they need, a big @#%^ing wake up call. What do sports teams do when they are playing bad? They either tank, fire the staff, or trade for youth. SE needs to follow suit, and extending the free trial and putting more idiots up to the task isn't doing that.

I played FFXI for 4 years, and played the FFXIV beta long enough to realize SE doesn't deserve to own the rights to such a prestigious franchise anymore. There's your experience.


Constructive? You call your vulgar, bias, insulting bile of rants constructive!?

You sir are more blind than the people you insult.

If you haven't and will never play FFXIV, then you have no business on these boards. Go to whatever game section is appropriate for the games you're actually playing. If your purpose here is to insult (Not even really criticizing.) Square Enix to express your inner desire to validate any and all of your negative claims against the company, then here's not the place to do it.

You want to a critique a company, learn how to write like a journalist, and take your personal reactions and bias OUT of your statements. (And do some god-damned research. Sales speak louder than reviews do.)

Otherwise, opinions are like @#%^s and I'm tired of dogs like you rubbing yours all over the park thinking it's cute, or justified.

Edited, Dec 11th 2010 3:43am by Hyrist


Sales are only half the battle with MMO's moron. It's about subscriptions, and they are terrible with this game. And I have no bias against SE, they're one of my favorite companies. I still respect them because they have created good games in the past, but I'm not as ******* dumb as the people who renew their subscription every-time these morons say they are responding to feedback. For the mess they created, they deserve to lose money, because they took plenty from the loyal fans who spent thousands of dollars upgrading their equipment to play this disaster of a game.
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As far as the Auto attack communication issue is concerned im fairly sure that they had in mind a vent type communication instead of typing. Typing being used in Cities etc which is still questionable in its current state.

Moving forward i would like to see a bit more small grouping required at some points. The idea here being the game is an adventure with others involved as a MMORPG was intended. Perhaps duo or trios at the last 25 or so levels (before cap) to help people get in line for raid type end game. I also do not want a clone of FFXI in any shape or form .

I loved FFXI and enjoyed playing with my guild mates but you all have to agree that was 10 years ago. Many do not have the time or do not want to spend that amount of time gaining 1 level. Need i remind you of the insane time required to gather a group in the previous version. As it is the game needs alot more than just new content. An AH is almost required at this point as the current system is nearly useless.

SE is not going to scrub the entire game. They have invested tens of millions in developmemt so far which they cannot afford to just write off. With the recent changes and thier revelation of what is to come i highly doubt the PS3 version will be scrapped. PC versions and the requirments have turned many fans to waiting for the PS3 release and im sure SE knows this.
I would expect a number of major changes to all aspects of the game over the next 4-6 months.
With this latest shift i do agree that they cannot afford to come up short again with any portion of the game.

I am excited to see what new treats the old school MMO team can come up with.
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I was one of those that was waiting on the PC version so my GF and I could play together. After playing the PC version for awhile (updating video cards and memory), I can say that the PS3 ppl aren't missing out on much.

I left FFXIV after 2 weeks. Game play lagged so bad and the game itself just wasn't enjoyable. I more fun chopping trees than anything.

Hopefully the PS3 ppl will get a game that is complete and fun to play.
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#229 Dec 11 2010 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
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FFXIV has been one of the worst games of all time. Copy/pasting beautiful terrain/scenery just does not make a game I'm afraid. I have been massively disapointed after waiting years for this game to be released. Some people try to convince themselves they are having fun but when even the developers admit it's **** it's time to let that go.

One positive is that SE are LISTNING to their customers now and will invest and invest heavily into this project to turn the game around and I believe one day it will happen, but it is a long way off.

Take your time SE.. we need a game worth playing.
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The level of animosity everyone is showing needs to cool down, whether it's for the people who are playing and defending the game, or for people who are incredibly bitter about the sub-standard broken game we were given.

I played the tail end of the Alpha, the closed Beta, and the open Beta. I spent a pile of cash upgrading my pc, ordered the CE... and canceled my sub 2.5 weeks into the free month's play.

Am I angry with SE? Oh yeah.
Am I glad SE is beginning to make the drastic changes required if the game is to eventually succeed? Glory hallelujah.
Am I going to renew my sub for free-to-play? No.

I'm going to wait and see, which is what I think everyone should be doing. Not exploding into nerdrage on the forums. Not dissolving into specific game play issues that we won't know the details of until SE fixes their sh*t.
We're all in this boat together folks, let's just wait to see what happens.

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Perhaps im in the minority, but I liked FFXIV from the word go. Sure it had annoyances and bugs. The UI was laggy as heck and required a hundred clicks just to drop an item, there were major issues with the SP system for combat classes due to its randomness, and there's still no auction house.

That said, I still enjoyed it, even with its rough edges. Then they patched it, gave it a UI overhaul and streamlined things. It's already looking miles better than it ever did, proving that SE were well on top of getting things sorted out. Which is why this report came as a bit of a surprise.

I personally feel that all the hate for FFXIV has snowballed. What started as legitimate annoyances levelled at it has caused such a frenzy that in many people's minds, Square-Enix can do nothing to repair the damage done. For those people, it wouldn't matter if the game suddenly fulfilled all of their dreams in a single update because they will never be satisfied. I believe it is this snowball effect which has led them to this decision.

Don't misunderstand. I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with FFXIV, just that they had already addressed how they were going to put things right long before there was any announcement of leadership or development team changes. They outlined a solid plan for addressing most of the problems we have and even announced new content for the game. That they felt they needed to make such drastic changes to the development of the game indicates the public response to their plans. But why all the negativity?

They say you can't please all of the people all of the time, but finding the right words to please the majority of players won't be an easy task. That snowball is still rolling it seems.
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#232 Dec 11 2010 at 3:31 PM Rating: Good
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While I'm just as frustrated with this game as anyone else, I think the negativity around it needs to stop. It's important to keep criticism and feedback going for SE to work off of, but the hate is just getting rediculous. SE can't just fix everything about the game in one patch and we all know this.

We all keep saying "oh yeah, this is a step in the right direction." And that's exactly what each announcement and patch so far has been: a step in the right direction. We all just need to be patient and as many have said wait and see what happens. We have two updates this month which I'm sure will make the game more enjoyable, just as the November patch did, even if it only made it slightly more enjoyable. and this recent news promises even more improvements in the future. So what are we still hating for? Time to stop talking sh*t about SE, they've at least proven to us that they care about making this game better for the people that waited years with high expectations to play it. They're making a **** of a lot of effort. What about an indefinitely extended free trial doesn't say that? If we were being made to pay for the game right now I could understand people raging. But SE is working with us here. Instead of mindless hate let's start giving FEEDBACK on what would make the game better, especially now that there is new staff that probably will be more active in getting in touch with players' concerns. Bottom line if all this isn't enough for you to keep your hopes up and if you're just completely unsatisfied with the game, just DON'T PLAY IT! That simple.

With all that said, I just really hope they fix the repair system (hopefully the new guy in charge will see how much of a bullsh*t system it is), fix the market system (whether it be just a search function or AH. i would be satisfied with a search function but i will gladly take either or.) and add more means of travel. i'm really aching to hop onto an airship and fly over the scenery in this game. I always look at the airships flying overhead and wish I was in it. lol. I imagine it would be like the ferry in which we travel in real time, which would be cool (even though riding the ferry is hella boring) because we would get to look down on all the pretty landscape as we go. We all know content is coming in the next two patches so really that's all i'm looking forward to/hoping for now. And I'm sure with the new people appointed to the staff and development team we'll be getting many more drastic changes that we can't even foresee yet. So I'm pretty excited myself. :-)
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Regarding the PlayStation 3, it is not our wish to release a simple conversion of the Windows version in its current state, but rather an update that includes all the improvements we have planned. For that reason, we have made the difficult decision to delay the release of the PlayStation 3 version beyond the originally announced date of March 2011.


I predict many fans may begin rampaging? o.0


Rampaging? why because when the game finally launches on PS3 theyll have a complete and playable game?


I'm pretty sure if you asked any PS3 player if they'd rather wait another 8 months for the finished game, or get in now on the unfinished game and play for free for the next 8 months, we'd all say the same thing.

PS3 is getting an enormous shaft. We wait, wait, wait, wait, get no beta, wait, wait, all while PC users get an indefinite free play session. That's it for me. Unless SE throws a HUGE bone to us PS3ers now, I'm not in. PS3ers kind enough to buy this game need something huge to offset the free 6 months all PCers are getting.

Everyone keeps saying how "lucky" us PS3ers will be to get a finished game. If we're so lucky, how come you all are still playing? If its such torture that we PS3ers are lucky to wait, then why don't you all quit too? I realize a lot of people have. But its just annoying how many times I have to hear how "lucky" I am for not getting involved in this mess. I'd rather have the option, then decide for myself, then have everyone else decide for me.

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...... Bottom line if all this isn't enough for you to keep your hopes up and if you're just completely unsatisfied with the game, just DON'T PLAY IT! That simple......


This is exactly what almost everyone is doing, which is more than likely the source of SE's panic and concern. Even without the world population count available to view anymore, I can see just by taking a stroll through town that barely anyone is online. If I go to the camp nearest to any city, there are maybe 3-5 players standing around the crystal. I have never seen a game with so few players as there are now. The game is deader than it was during alpha and beta...
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jschaub wrote:
theSubligaravenger wrote:
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Regarding the PlayStation 3, it is not our wish to release a simple conversion of the Windows version in its current state, but rather an update that includes all the improvements we have planned. For that reason, we have made the difficult decision to delay the release of the PlayStation 3 version beyond the originally announced date of March 2011.


I predict many fans may begin rampaging? o.0


Rampaging? why because when the game finally launches on PS3 theyll have a complete and playable game?


I'm pretty sure if you asked any PS3 player if they'd rather wait another 8 months for the finished game, or get in now on the unfinished game and play for free for the next 8 months, we'd all say the same thing.

PS3 is getting an enormous shaft. We wait, wait, wait, wait, get no beta, wait, wait, all while PC users get an indefinite free play session. That's it for me. Unless SE throws a HUGE bone to us PS3ers now, I'm not in. PS3ers kind enough to buy this game need something huge to offset the free 6 months all PCers are getting.

Everyone keeps saying how "lucky" us PS3ers will be to get a finished game. If we're so lucky, how come you all are still playing? If its such torture that we PS3ers are lucky to wait, then why don't you all quit too? I realize a lot of people have. But its just annoying how many times I have to hear how "lucky" I am for not getting involved in this mess. I'd rather have the option, then decide for myself, then have everyone else decide for me.

Edited, Dec 11th 2010 3:28pm by jschaub


Agreed, PS3 users are getting screwed pretty hard. Only way to play now is to buy a PC.
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#237 Dec 11 2010 at 5:35 PM Rating: Good
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Its better to delay the PS3 version and make it worth playing than rushing and have ppl complaining all day.

I like the "solo" play in FFXIV as well as the group play and they should promote more group play, right now i can pretty much solo all leves, because if i want a solo game, it wouldnt be an MMORPG. A party shouldnt be a requirement but at the same time a party play should be just as important.

I like the fact that most of the FFXI team are in this new development team, because FFXI was a good game but it also had the "require party to exp at high levels" and of course auto attack. FFXI concept and FFXIV visuals would be a nice combination, and hopefuly, when an expansion comes out for FFXIV and the new areas arnt copy/pasted, i will hopefully forgot abt these new starting areas.
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Its better to delay the PS3 version and make it worth playing than rushing and have ppl complaining all day.


I understand that releasing an unfinished PS3 version now would be like SE shooting itself in the other foot. (one's already been blown off) However, that doesn't change the fact that the PS3 owners are still getting the raw deal here.
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jschaub wrote:
theSubligaravenger wrote:
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SE wrote:
Regarding the PlayStation 3, it is not our wish to release a simple conversion of the Windows version in its current state, but rather an update that includes all the improvements we have planned. For that reason, we have made the difficult decision to delay the release of the PlayStation 3 version beyond the originally announced date of March 2011.


I predict many fans may begin rampaging? o.0


Rampaging? why because when the game finally launches on PS3 theyll have a complete and playable game?


I'm pretty sure if you asked any PS3 player if they'd rather wait another 8 months for the finished game, or get in now on the unfinished game and play for free for the next 8 months, we'd all say the same thing.

PS3 is getting an enormous shaft. We wait, wait, wait, wait, get no beta, wait, wait, all while PC users get an indefinite free play session. That's it for me. Unless SE throws a HUGE bone to us PS3ers now, I'm not in. PS3ers kind enough to buy this game need something huge to offset the free 6 months all PCers are getting.

Everyone keeps saying how "lucky" us PS3ers will be to get a finished game. If we're so lucky, how come you all are still playing? If its such torture that we PS3ers are lucky to wait, then why don't you all quit too? I realize a lot of people have. But its just annoying how many times I have to hear how "lucky" I am for not getting involved in this mess. I'd rather have the option, then decide for myself, then have everyone else decide for me.

Edited, Dec 11th 2010 3:28pm by jschaub


I don't think you understand how bad this game really is, then. It's good that, as a PS3er, you're mad that you don't have the game yet because a LOT of the 'PCers' have the game and have been leaving in droves.

As much as it pains me to say it, the things that people are complaining about are the same things people were complaining about during the alpha and the beta. Not a whole lot has changed with the game itself, it still is what it is. The only thing that could have possibly brought about such a drastic response from SE was server populations spiraling out of control.. Spiraling downwards, that is.

So, in all honesty, you PS3 players are the lucky ones. You're not getting treated like labrats in a lab where none of the pencils and pens work and the technicians are probably playing WoW too much to record results anyway.. They dang near killed the whole experiment this time. Keep wanting this game, by all means, they probably will actually earn your $60. As for me, I'd be more mad about the state of this game were it not for Call of Duty coming out and giving me something better to do than sit here fuming over a game that has the entertainment equivalent of racking myself with a rusty mace.

This is a huge step in the right direction. I do hope they keep the combat system, job system, and gathering systems in place. Not everything about XIV is a travesty, but it does need some serious content and it needs some very basic and fundamental changes to the interactivity. I never in my life dreamed I would see an MMO that was more complicated to sort through than FFXI when it launched in the US, but lo and behold SE found a way. But, these things have been ******* about long enough. It's time for action, and it appears that it is being taken. If I sound harsh, I apologize. Believe me when I tell you that I am rooting for Square Enix to make a game that lives up to the unbridled potential this potentially amazing game has to offer.

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...... Bottom line if all this isn't enough for you to keep your hopes up and if you're just completely unsatisfied with the game, just DON'T PLAY IT! That simple......


This is exactly what almost everyone is doing, which is more than likely the source of SE's panic and concern. Even without the world population count available to view anymore, I can see just by taking a stroll through town that barely anyone is online. If I go to the camp nearest to any city, there are maybe 3-5 players standing around the crystal. I have never seen a game with so few players as there are now. The game is deader than it was during alpha and beta...


Yea I've definitely noticed quite a drop in population since Cataclysm came out and before that as well, but on my server (Lindblum) there seems to be a fair amount of people. I did a behest the other day with a group of about 10 or 11, and there were still tons of people in Camp Bloodshore besides just us behesters. Also I'm in a pretty active LS with members online and talking at any given time. But I'm sure there are servers where the population has dropped drastically. I'm pretty happy where I'm at tho. Keep in mind also that there are plenty of people who aren't playing that are paying close attention from the sidelines. And those are the people that SE is concerned about winning back, and I think they're doing a pretty good job of keeping people's interest, especially with the new changes they are making. **** I bet the announcement alone will bring some people back. Not to mention the not one but two updates we have later this month. :-)


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You have to wonder how low the populations have been getting to make so many drastic changes, or if it's simply all the negative feedback they've been getting. Either way though, this is good, I'm still playing once in awhile and really, it can only get better from here. I'm also glad they're delaying the PS3, I realize I'm not going to be a ps3 user, but it means they really want this game to succeed. As long as they can attract enough new users then to a better game, they'll be able to salvage this thing.


Even if the subscription rates are dropping off quickly and they can't sustain the pay-to-play model, at this point they still pretty much have to salvage it, or rather, there's no reason not to salvage it. FFXIV wouldn't be the first MMO to bomb, but these days even if an MMO does bomb, it can still generate revenue on a free to play business model. Unfortunately, it still has to be made into something that players will actually want to play. Considering that currently FFXIV is in far worse shape than many F2P games, they still have to make significant fixes before that's an option.

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- Auto-Attack.
- No more Battle Regimen, bring back Weapon Skill+magic burst.
- Xp Chain.
- More defined role for classes.
- Goblins and madragora.


It's funny how many people are quoting this and saying, "THIS IS NOT FFXI" when that is exactly what the person who posted it was saying. It was a strawman to begin with-- almost nobody is asking for xp chains, or weaponskill and magic burst. AH, autoattack, and defined roles aren't exactly "FFXI features" either, insomuch as they are basic features of many games.

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Are you really saying that combat is TOO active? I can already alt+tab during crafting and gathering, I don't want to be able to alt+tab while fighting too.

Combat needs to be more strategic, not less.


Active =! strategic though, and right now the game is only the former. Right now, combat is too active in the sense that it keeps you busy doing things that aren't tactical or interesting. Generally things which require any level of physical effort but no real level of mental effort frustrate people. It makes it easy to focus on the menial tasks you have to do. It's why working on an assembly line is a frustrating and boring job but sitting on a couch is relaxing and leisurely.

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I am beginning to get annoyed with the people calling for auto attack because they cant chat during battle. You are in battle for crying out loud! in REAL Life do you think that someone fighting with a sword has time to think about anything other than the fighting? Or someone doing Martial Arts? The second they start thinking about something else, they are distracted and much more likely to lose the battle.


1) Appeal to reality in a fantasy game. In REAL life do you kill dragons and wield magic?

2) Yes, actually people do talk during combat. If they're fighting a challenging enemy, they communicate about the battle. If they're fighting something easy, they often just chat for fun. Experienced combatants fight instinctively and automatically. Police and military officers train to shoot without thinking when they need to. Martial artists are happy to talk trash against a weaker opponent.

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Strategy implies quick thinking, which means being able to react at shot notice, something you cannot do if you're shooting the breeze.


Strategy does not imply quick thinking. Chess is strategic. Further, it's going to be next to impossible from where they are now to make basic battles strategic enough that you'd be too challenged to find time to talk. As a result, they'd do well to let players entertain eachother. They're probably not going to make the battles challenging enough for experienced gamers to need to actually focus during leveling.

Mind you, for the umpteenth time, I prefer attack queuing to autoattacking, which takes nothing away from the strategy and better paces the action.

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I'm not arguing about realism. I am referring to the view that its ok to just sleep while your character autofights. Can someone really say they are playing a character if the can just leave it to do its own fights in an automated manner. I know I wouldn't like my healer to be afk while the battle goes on.


That's not how autoattack works. Autoattack simply makes you choose the most important commands while your basic attack repeats automatically. If you don't choose any other commands, then you'll either die, or you're fighting something that isn't worth your attention anyway.

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Everyone keeps saying how "lucky" us PS3ers will be to get a finished game. If we're so lucky, how come you all are still playing?


lol, a LOT of people who post here are not actually playing the game, and a lot of those that are aren't really enjoying it as much as they hope that they're making progress towards a character in a game that will one day be fun.

I understand your complaint, but you will have a better experience if you wait for the delayed PS3 version, and that should be the most important thing. Personally I wish I hadn't played it because it really left a sour taste in my mouth. The things that were done well will always be tainted in some way by that. Even if the game gets turned around, I won't get to experience any of that "magic" and excitement that comes with starting a new game. You will.
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This announcement has represented a bit of a conundrum for a lot of people I've talked to. The two biggest gripes I'm hearing right now are fatigue and repairs. Kind of weird, and I have to agree with both. I know a lot of people (myself included) who have found their niche and they're enthusiastic about progressing and then wham...fatigue. And that's basically it for the week. Anything after that is sort of stretching and reaching to find alternatives that are entertaining enough to focus on and rewarding enough that you forget about how irritating it is to be told you can't progress along your chosen route without penalty after the first 2-3 days of your fatigue reset.

I went bombing around Coerthas tonight with my GLA stepping on squirrels and cutting up antelopes and it became apparent to me that I'd have a much easier time if I made up some brass rings just to up my accuracy a bit but for me, there are two issues with that. One is inventory space, which I simply don't have. The other is the thought of adding another 4-6 pieces of equipment that I'm just going to have to repair. I had to repair my dagger four times from rank 20 -> 21. I repaired my shield 3 times. I'm not interested in adding any more to that process.

So what SE has done is shifted the "fun" to the lower ranks (ie. local leves now heavily favor ranks 1-15) to try and get people up to mid ranks a little faster while we wait for mid-higher rank content. The people who have found their niche are so focused on such a narrow scope of activities (do to a lack of alternatives) that they hit fatigue with the quickness, and nothing they're doing is so compelling that they'd be happy to continue doing it with the SP cut.

And now with the management upheaval, communication around the December patch has been a bit lacking. They can't really call it a mid-December patch if they don't push it live next week but we haven't seen a schedule or patch notes or anything of that nature. A lot of the "excitement" around the announcement of the leadership changes has seemed to shift to apprehension. Nobody really knows what's going on and quite a few aren't even sure they want to know anymore.

I've talked to a lot of people who were fairly enthusiastic about the December patch even a week ago, now they're struggling to retain an attitude of indifference. The alternative is that they start looking around for other games. There's just a general feeling of bleh right now that just stands out wherever you go be it in-game or in forums.

I think that above and beyond what SE has already announced and planned, it's going to be absolutely critical that they get the new leadership team transitioned and communicating with all due haste. There's nothing going on that is attracting new players to the game and even the most positive seem to be starting to struggle in the enthusiasm department.
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Nobody really knows what's going on and quite a few aren't even sure they want to know anymore.


This is so true. Hope to hear SE's plan and schedule soon, and not just a " we'll solve 'stuff' " statements.
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Regarding the PlayStation 3, it is not our wish to release a simple conversion of the Windows version in its current state, but rather an update that includes all the improvements we have planned. For that reason, we have made the difficult decision to delay the release of the PlayStation 3 version beyond the originally announced date of March 2011.


I predict many fans may begin rampaging? o.0


Rampaging? why because when the game finally launches on PS3 theyll have a complete and playable game?


I'm pretty sure if you asked any PS3 player if they'd rather wait another 8 months for the finished game, or get in now on the unfinished game and play for free for the next 8 months, we'd all say the same thing.

PS3 is getting an enormous shaft. We wait, wait, wait, wait, get no beta, wait, wait, all while PC users get an indefinite free play session. That's it for me. Unless SE throws a HUGE bone to us PS3ers now, I'm not in. PS3ers kind enough to buy this game need something huge to offset the free 6 months all PCers are getting.

Everyone keeps saying how "lucky" us PS3ers will be to get a finished game. If we're so lucky, how come you all are still playing? If its such torture that we PS3ers are lucky to wait, then why don't you all quit too? I realize a lot of people have. But its just annoying how many times I have to hear how "lucky" I am for not getting involved in this mess. I'd rather have the option, then decide for myself, then have everyone else decide for me.

Edited, Dec 11th 2010 3:28pm by jschaub


I don't think you understand how bad this game really is, then. It's good that, as a PS3er, you're mad that you don't have the game yet because a LOT of the 'PCers' have the game and have been leaving in droves.

As much as it pains me to say it, the things that people are complaining about are the same things people were complaining about during the alpha and the beta. Not a whole lot has changed with the game itself, it still is what it is. The only thing that could have possibly brought about such a drastic response from SE was server populations spiraling out of control.. Spiraling downwards, that is.

So, in all honesty, you PS3 players are the lucky ones. You're not getting treated like labrats in a lab where none of the pencils and pens work and the technicians are probably playing WoW too much to record results anyway.. They dang near killed the whole experiment this time. Keep wanting this game, by all means, they probably will actually earn your $60. As for me, I'd be more mad about the state of this game were it not for Call of Duty coming out and giving me something better to do than sit here fuming over a game that has the entertainment equivalent of racking myself with a rusty mace.

This is a huge step in the right direction. I do hope they keep the combat system, job system, and gathering systems in place. Not everything about XIV is a travesty, but it does need some serious content and it needs some very basic and fundamental changes to the interactivity. I never in my life dreamed I would see an MMO that was more complicated to sort through than FFXI when it launched in the US, but lo and behold SE found a way. But, these things have been ******* about long enough. It's time for action, and it appears that it is being taken. If I sound harsh, I apologize. Believe me when I tell you that I am rooting for Square Enix to make a game that lives up to the unbridled potential this potentially amazing game has to offer.

Edited, Dec 11th 2010 7:19pm by Lefein


I actually kind of agree with jschaub here. The main issue I see with this recent development is that it is unfair to PS3 users. PC users got this game in September and have had, so far, 3 months and soon to be more, of free playing time. Although the game certainly isn't up to par, the fact remains that PC users have a lot more time to play the game, develop their characters, and establish their place in the economy well before PS3 users have the chance to, all for free, save the cost of the game. From the many upcoming updates for the PC version, such as the 2 scheduled for this month, and the one that is coming out early 2011, there is no doubt that the game will continue to get better. By the time the PS3 version rolls around, SE would be confident enough in FFXIV to start billing for the game which would make things severely unfair for PS3 users, since the PC users would have months of free playing time for all the content that PS3 users will have to pay for.

I think what jschaub is trying to say is that although you guys are saying that you're "lab rats" for the game and that PS3 users are "lucky", it really isn't so because you guys, in the end, really have the better part of the deal. I don't mind the delay that much because I'm more concerned about games that are coming out early 2011, but I get irked at the people who try to rationalize through this situation by making it seem like it's "not that bad."
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I actually kind of agree with jschaub here. The main issue I see with this recent development is that it is unfair to PS3 users. PC users got this game in September and have had, so far, 3 months and soon to be more, of free playing time. Although the game certainly isn't up to par, the fact remains that PC users have a lot more time to play the game, develop their characters, and establish their place in the economy well before PS3 users have the chance to, all for free, save the cost of the game. From the many upcoming updates for the PC version, such as the 2 scheduled for this month, and the one that is coming out early 2011, there is no doubt that the game will continue to get better. By the time the PS3 version rolls around, SE would be confident enough in FFXIV to start billing for the game which would make things severely unfair for PS3 users, since the PC users would have months of free playing time for all the content that PS3 users will have to pay for.

I think what jschaub is trying to say is that although you guys are saying that you're "lab rats" for the game and that PS3 users are "lucky", it really isn't so because you guys, in the end, really have the better part of the deal. I don't mind the delay that much because I'm more concerned about games that are coming out early 2011, but I get irked at the people who try to rationalize through this situation by making it seem like it's "not that bad."


Fair/unfair doesn't even enter into it. It's about what makes sense.

Don't think of it as a PC vs. PS3 thing. SE isn't trying to fix the PC version. They're trying to fix the core game. And it makes absolutely no sense to divert resources away from that effort to finish porting that (broken) core game to a new platform. You might be willing to overlook the reviews and criticism and relentless forum sniveling around the game just to get on board and play while they iron things out but I'd be confident to speculate that out of all potential PS3 players, you're in the extreme minority.

Most people who have been following the game intent to play on PS3 have read the reviews. They've read the complaints. And if they're savvy consumers, they're waiting to see what happens with the game before they commit to any sort of purchasing decision. Launching the game for PS3 any time before SE starts getting some positive press about the changes they've made would be not only a mistake, but more fuel for the critic fire when the question of the day becomes, "Why would any MMO studio port such a horribly received game to another platform before they fixed the issues that brought the game to its knees?"

SE doesn't need any more of that kind of press. They can't afford any more of it.
#246 Dec 11 2010 at 10:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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with so many people claiming that the PS3 release is going to save things, I'm surprised there are people upset about it being delayed until the game "worthy of a good rating". if the PS3 version releases to a 6/10 (probably where I'd rate the game now, especially when its on console and has to be compared to other PS3 games), gets another round of don't bothers from the review sites the game isn't going to pickup many subs from people who haven't been planning to get it anyways.
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#247 Dec 11 2010 at 11:08 PM Rating: Good
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jschaub wrote:
theSubligaravenger wrote:
Demonadrastos wrote:
SE wrote:
Regarding the PlayStation 3, it is not our wish to release a simple conversion of the Windows version in its current state, but rather an update that includes all the improvements we have planned. For that reason, we have made the difficult decision to delay the release of the PlayStation 3 version beyond the originally announced date of March 2011.


I predict many fans may begin rampaging? o.0


Rampaging? why because when the game finally launches on PS3 theyll have a complete and playable game?


I'm pretty sure if you asked any PS3 player if they'd rather wait another 8 months for the finished game, or get in now on the unfinished game and play for free for the next 8 months, we'd all say the same thing.

PS3 is getting an enormous shaft. We wait, wait, wait, wait, get no beta, wait, wait, all while PC users get an indefinite free play session. That's it for me. Unless SE throws a HUGE bone to us PS3ers now, I'm not in. PS3ers kind enough to buy this game need something huge to offset the free 6 months all PCers are getting.

Everyone keeps saying how "lucky" us PS3ers will be to get a finished game. If we're so lucky, how come you all are still playing? If its such torture that we PS3ers are lucky to wait, then why don't you all quit too? I realize a lot of people have. But its just annoying how many times I have to hear how "lucky" I am for not getting involved in this mess. I'd rather have the option, then decide for myself, then have everyone else decide for me.

Edited, Dec 11th 2010 3:28pm by jschaub


PC users didn't get **** for free. We paid anywhere from $60 to $100 for the privilege of beta testing this game for you PS3'ers. Right now that stands at $20-$30 a month we've paid so far for those "free" months.

So cry me a river if you think you deserve special treatment.
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#248 Dec 11 2010 at 11:10 PM Rating: Default
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Aurelius wrote:
Auruelis wrote:

I actually kind of agree with jschaub here. The main issue I see with this recent development is that it is unfair to PS3 users. PC users got this game in September and have had, so far, 3 months and soon to be more, of free playing time. Although the game certainly isn't up to par, the fact remains that PC users have a lot more time to play the game, develop their characters, and establish their place in the economy well before PS3 users have the chance to, all for free, save the cost of the game. From the many upcoming updates for the PC version, such as the 2 scheduled for this month, and the one that is coming out early 2011, there is no doubt that the game will continue to get better. By the time the PS3 version rolls around, SE would be confident enough in FFXIV to start billing for the game which would make things severely unfair for PS3 users, since the PC users would have months of free playing time for all the content that PS3 users will have to pay for.

I think what jschaub is trying to say is that although you guys are saying that you're "lab rats" for the game and that PS3 users are "lucky", it really isn't so because you guys, in the end, really have the better part of the deal. I don't mind the delay that much because I'm more concerned about games that are coming out early 2011, but I get irked at the people who try to rationalize through this situation by making it seem like it's "not that bad."


Fair/unfair doesn't even enter into it. It's about what makes sense.

Don't think of it as a PC vs. PS3 thing. SE isn't trying to fix the PC version. They're trying to fix the core game. And it makes absolutely no sense to divert resources away from that effort to finish porting that (broken) core game to a new platform. You might be willing to overlook the reviews and criticism and relentless forum sniveling around the game just to get on board and play while they iron things out but I'd be confident to speculate that out of all potential PS3 players, you're in the extreme minority.

Most people who have been following the game intent to play on PS3 have read the reviews. They've read the complaints. And if they're savvy consumers, they're waiting to see what happens with the game before they commit to any sort of purchasing decision. Launching the game for PS3 any time before SE starts getting some positive press about the changes they've made would be not only a mistake, but more fuel for the critic fire when the question of the day becomes, "Why would any MMO studio port such a horribly received game to another platform before they fixed the issues that brought the game to its knees?"

SE doesn't need any more of that kind of press. They can't afford any more of it.


I never said SE shouldn't fix the core game, nor am I saying that they should focus on the PS3 version before the game is fixed. All I'm saying is that while they are fixing the game, PC users are getting free playing time to build up their characters and to get ready for the additional content and updates that are coming up, while we PS3 users will most likely have to pay for all the things they've already experienced for free. I fully support SE in taking their time to fix the game, I just don't think it's fair that PC users get to play the game for free for a good amount of time, while we PS3 users will most likely have to pay a monthly fee for the same things PC users got to do for free. SE could delay the PS3 release for a year and I wouldn't care as long as I don't have to pay for content others got to experience for free.

Of course, my argument is based around the fact that PS3 users will have to pay a monthly fee, which is very probable, unless SE somehow makes this game F2P (doubtful) or makes some system where PS3 users get free playing time equivalent to the time PC users got for free (which could become very chaotic and messy).
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#249 Dec 11 2010 at 11:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Auruelis wrote:
Aurelius wrote:
Auruelis wrote:

I actually kind of agree with jschaub here. The main issue I see with this recent development is that it is unfair to PS3 users. PC users got this game in September and have had, so far, 3 months and soon to be more, of free playing time. Although the game certainly isn't up to par, the fact remains that PC users have a lot more time to play the game, develop their characters, and establish their place in the economy well before PS3 users have the chance to, all for free, save the cost of the game. From the many upcoming updates for the PC version, such as the 2 scheduled for this month, and the one that is coming out early 2011, there is no doubt that the game will continue to get better. By the time the PS3 version rolls around, SE would be confident enough in FFXIV to start billing for the game which would make things severely unfair for PS3 users, since the PC users would have months of free playing time for all the content that PS3 users will have to pay for.

I think what jschaub is trying to say is that although you guys are saying that you're "lab rats" for the game and that PS3 users are "lucky", it really isn't so because you guys, in the end, really have the better part of the deal. I don't mind the delay that much because I'm more concerned about games that are coming out early 2011, but I get irked at the people who try to rationalize through this situation by making it seem like it's "not that bad."


Fair/unfair doesn't even enter into it. It's about what makes sense.

Don't think of it as a PC vs. PS3 thing. SE isn't trying to fix the PC version. They're trying to fix the core game. And it makes absolutely no sense to divert resources away from that effort to finish porting that (broken) core game to a new platform. You might be willing to overlook the reviews and criticism and relentless forum sniveling around the game just to get on board and play while they iron things out but I'd be confident to speculate that out of all potential PS3 players, you're in the extreme minority.

Most people who have been following the game intent to play on PS3 have read the reviews. They've read the complaints. And if they're savvy consumers, they're waiting to see what happens with the game before they commit to any sort of purchasing decision. Launching the game for PS3 any time before SE starts getting some positive press about the changes they've made would be not only a mistake, but more fuel for the critic fire when the question of the day becomes, "Why would any MMO studio port such a horribly received game to another platform before they fixed the issues that brought the game to its knees?"

SE doesn't need any more of that kind of press. They can't afford any more of it.


I never said SE shouldn't fix the core game, nor am I saying that they should focus on the PS3 version before the game is fixed. All I'm saying is that while they are fixing the game, PC users are getting free playing time to build up their characters and to get ready for the additional content and updates that are coming up, while we PS3 users will most likely have to pay for all the things they've already experienced for free. I fully support SE in taking their time to fix the game, I just don't think it's fair that PC users get to play the game for free for a good amount of time, while we PS3 users will most likely have to pay a monthly fee for the same things PC users got to do for free. SE could delay the PS3 release for a year and I wouldn't care as long as I don't have to pay for content others got to experience for free.

Of course, my argument is based around the fact that PS3 users will have to pay a monthly fee, which is very probable, unless SE somehow makes this game F2P (doubtful) or makes some system where PS3 users get free playing time equivalent to the time PC users got for free (which could become very chaotic and messy).


either my computer is messed up or I'm a little tipsy, but it looks like you're arguing with yourself about an argument you had with yourself

maybe its time for me to go to bed

edit: oh i see one of you has another U in the name. How strange. Glad to know I'm not going crazy though

Edited, Dec 12th 2010 12:21am by Libtech

Edited, Dec 12th 2010 12:23am by Libtech
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#250 Dec 11 2010 at 11:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Zorvan wrote:
jschaub wrote:
theSubligaravenger wrote:
Demonadrastos wrote:
SE wrote:
Regarding the PlayStation 3, it is not our wish to release a simple conversion of the Windows version in its current state, but rather an update that includes all the improvements we have planned. For that reason, we have made the difficult decision to delay the release of the PlayStation 3 version beyond the originally announced date of March 2011.


I predict many fans may begin rampaging? o.0


Rampaging? why because when the game finally launches on PS3 theyll have a complete and playable game?


I'm pretty sure if you asked any PS3 player if they'd rather wait another 8 months for the finished game, or get in now on the unfinished game and play for free for the next 8 months, we'd all say the same thing.

PS3 is getting an enormous shaft. We wait, wait, wait, wait, get no beta, wait, wait, all while PC users get an indefinite free play session. That's it for me. Unless SE throws a HUGE bone to us PS3ers now, I'm not in. PS3ers kind enough to buy this game need something huge to offset the free 6 months all PCers are getting.

Everyone keeps saying how "lucky" us PS3ers will be to get a finished game. If we're so lucky, how come you all are still playing? If its such torture that we PS3ers are lucky to wait, then why don't you all quit too? I realize a lot of people have. But its just annoying how many times I have to hear how "lucky" I am for not getting involved in this mess. I'd rather have the option, then decide for myself, then have everyone else decide for me.

Edited, Dec 11th 2010 3:28pm by jschaub


PC users didn't get sh*t for free. We paid anywhere from $60 to $100 for the privilege of beta testing this game for you PS3'ers. Right now that stands at $20-$30 a month we've paid so far for those "free" months.

So cry me a river if you think you deserve special treatment.


PS3 users are also going to pay those prices for the game PLUS the additional costs of paying every month. You guys will probably only start to pay a monthly fee shortly before or after the PS3 release. Though you guys got a clunky start, you're still playing the game for free and will continue to do so through the fixing of the game.
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#251 Dec 11 2010 at 11:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Auruelis wrote:
I never said SE shouldn't fix the core game, nor am I saying that they should focus on the PS3 version before the game is fixed. All I'm saying is that while they are fixing the game, PC users are getting free playing time to build up their characters and to get ready for the additional content and updates that are coming up, while we PS3 users will most likely have to pay for all the things they've already experienced for free. I fully support SE in taking their time to fix the game, I just don't think it's fair that PC users get to play the game for free for a good amount of time, while we PS3 users will most likely have to pay a monthly fee for the same things PC users got to do for free. SE could delay the PS3 release for a year and I wouldn't care as long as I don't have to pay for content others got to experience for free.

Of course, my argument is based around the fact that PS3 users will have to pay a monthly fee, which is very probable, unless SE somehow makes this game F2P (doubtful) or makes some system where PS3 users get free playing time equivalent to the time PC users got for free (which could become very chaotic and messy).


Irrelevant. All fully irrelevant. It's not about who gets to do what in-game. At all. That's so far from SE's consideration right now as to not even factor in. Even with all the ******** restrictions like fatigue and horrible SP cuts, the PC crowd would be filled out at or near the cap whether the PS3 version shipped in March or not. Don't let your impatience become justification for a baseless argument about fair or unfair this or that. None of it matters. SE is sitting on a broken product that they need to fix before they're in a position to be asking anyone to pay any more for it. That's all that matters.
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