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#252 Dec 11 2010 at 11:28 PM Rating: Good
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Regarding the PlayStation 3, it is not our wish to release a simple conversion of the Windows version in its current state, but rather an update that includes all the improvements we have planned. For that reason, we have made the difficult decision to delay the release of the PlayStation 3 version beyond the originally announced date of March 2011.


I predict many fans may begin rampaging? o.0


Rampaging? why because when the game finally launches on PS3 theyll have a complete and playable game?


I'm pretty sure if you asked any PS3 player if they'd rather wait another 8 months for the finished game, or get in now on the unfinished game and play for free for the next 8 months, we'd all say the same thing.

PS3 is getting an enormous shaft. We wait, wait, wait, wait, get no beta, wait, wait, all while PC users get an indefinite free play session. That's it for me. Unless SE throws a HUGE bone to us PS3ers now, I'm not in. PS3ers kind enough to buy this game need something huge to offset the free 6 months all PCers are getting.

Everyone keeps saying how "lucky" us PS3ers will be to get a finished game. If we're so lucky, how come you all are still playing? If its such torture that we PS3ers are lucky to wait, then why don't you all quit too? I realize a lot of people have. But its just annoying how many times I have to hear how "lucky" I am for not getting involved in this mess. I'd rather have the option, then decide for myself, then have everyone else decide for me.

Edited, Dec 11th 2010 3:28pm by jschaub


PC users didn't get sh*t for free. We paid anywhere from $60 to $100 for the privilege of beta testing this game for you PS3'ers. Right now that stands at $20-$30 a month we've paid so far for those "free" months.

So cry me a river if you think you deserve special treatment.


PS3 users are also going to pay those prices for the game PLUS the additional costs of paying every month. You guys will probably only start to pay a monthly fee shortly before or after the PS3 release. Though you guys got a clunky start, you're still playing the game for free and will continue to do so through the fixing of the game.


Except PC users are not playing an even close to finished game. When the game is finished, they will be paying the same as PS3 users. And more than likely, PC users will be paying subs while the PS3 users are enjoying their beta, so it all evens out.

As far as the Ps3 users crying about the PC users being "ahead of them" as far as levels and ****, the fact is by the time this all gets done, new PS3 users will likely outnumber any remaining PC users who didn't give up and move to new and/or just better games 10 to 1. So there most likely won't be that many people "ahead" of them.
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#253 Dec 11 2010 at 11:34 PM Rating: Good
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I realize it's hard to appreciate the idea of being lucky that the PS3 version is delayed, but let me offer you my perspective.

Anyone who cares enough about the game to be upset by the delay is probably eagerly anticipating the next FF MMO. And there's nothing greater than building up so much excitement for a game, and then when you finally get to play it, it's everything you dreamed it would be. When the game is released, you can't wait to play it. No really, you cannot wait. I sure couldn't-- otherwise I would have preferred to play on the PS3.

I played through the alpha and the beta, and of course I was very excited to have that opportunity. I played as a tester, rather than a potential player, reviewer, or someone who wanted an early start. Though I honestly would have been content to wait for the release so that I could enjoy the game in a more finished state, as a long-time fan of the franchise, and as someone for whom game design is a hobby, I couldn't pass up on a chance to offer valuable feedback for the game.

I had been playing less and less altogether as the beta dragged on. I played maybe two days of open beta. By the time the game released, I had preordered the CE, but I waited days to install it. I played it a day and couldn't bring myself to log in again. All of that excitement that I had built up for the game had been wasted on an experience that was patently unenjoyable. Even if the game is fixed and I pick it up again, I can only go back to it with skepticism.

So don't be jealous of the PC players who were served a half-cooked meal just because they got to eat first. Most of us couldn't even keep it down. We got food poisoning and even thinking about it makes us physically ill. I know you're hungry, but your meal will be much more satisfying when it comes.
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#254Ostia, Posted: Dec 11 2010 at 11:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Lmao! The only guy there that actually knows WTF he is doing is Shintaro Tamai, FM5 was an epic Game all around :)
#255Auruelis, Posted: Dec 11 2010 at 11:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I wouldn't necessarily say it's irrelevant. The time spent in game is irrelevant, but the cost certainly isn't. You're right in the fact that SE needs to prioritize fixing the game above all else and that they're probably not thinking about what this means to their PS3 fan base at the moment, but that's not the reason why I brought this argument up. I brought this up because all throughout this thread, PC users have been trivializing the effect this decision has on PS3 users by making it out to seem like they're saving us from the game, that they're the ones really "suffering", that we're "lucky" when in the end, we're actually getting the worse deal in this situation.
#256 Dec 11 2010 at 11:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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its no less fair than FFXI when japan had the game for about a year before the NA players. I'd say it sucks, but its been this way pretty much forever. PS3 was stated to start roughly 6-7 months after the PC release anyways, so until its pushed well beyond that, I don't see this as being anything new to get worked up about.

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#257 Dec 11 2010 at 11:58 PM Rating: Default
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its no less fair than FFXI when japan had the game for about a year before the NA players. I'd say it sucks, but its been this way pretty much forever. PS3 was stated to start roughly 6-7 months after the PC release anyways, so until its pushed well beyond that, I don't see this as being anything new to get worked up about.



The difference is that the JP players had to pay to play the game, just as we did. Although we started later, we also had to pay just as they did. If you look back at one of my posts, I clearly said that I don't mind whether the PS3 version is released a year after the fixes, I just don't want to pay for the time others got for free. And I've already established that this is impossible and that all we PS3 users can hope for is some sort of bonus for this turn of events.
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#258 Dec 12 2010 at 12:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Irrelevant. All fully irrelevant. It's not about who gets to do what in-game. At all. That's so far from SE's consideration right now as to not even factor in. Even with all the bullsh*t restrictions like fatigue and horrible SP cuts, the PC crowd would be filled out at or near the cap whether the PS3 version shipped in March or not. Don't let your impatience become justification for a baseless argument about fair or unfair this or that. None of it matters. SE is sitting on a broken product that they need to fix before they're in a position to be asking anyone to pay any more for it. That's all that matters.


I wouldn't necessarily say it's irrelevant. The time spent in game is irrelevant, but the cost certainly isn't. You're right in the fact that SE needs to prioritize fixing the game above all else and that they're probably not thinking about what this means to their PS3 fan base at the moment, but that's not the reason why I brought this argument up. I brought this up because all throughout this thread, PC users have been trivializing the effect this decision has on PS3 users by making it out to seem like they're saving us from the game, that they're the ones really "suffering", that we're "lucky" when in the end, we're actually getting the worse deal in this situation.

In the end SE is a business, they are going to do whatever it takes to make a profit and that's common sense. They certainly aren't going to make the game F2P nor are they going to try and make the game free to only PS3 users for a while. All we PS3 users can really hope for at this point is that we get some kind of special bonus to compensate us for the money we're going to be spending that the PC users didn't, which I actually see happening (though moreso for the "inconvenience" than the money issue).


All you're doing is turning this into a PC vs. PS3 shenanigan, and it's needless and not at all helpful.

SE isn't going to compensate you for anything. You haven't paid them for anything yet. They don't owe you anything. If you want to get in on the action now, buy the PC version and come play the broken game with the rest of us while you wait.

Edited, Dec 11th 2010 10:12pm by Aurelius
#260 Dec 12 2010 at 12:45 AM Rating: Good
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Auruelis wrote:
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its no less fair than FFXI when japan had the game for about a year before the NA players. I'd say it sucks, but its been this way pretty much forever. PS3 was stated to start roughly 6-7 months after the PC release anyways, so until its pushed well beyond that, I don't see this as being anything new to get worked up about.



The difference is that the JP players had to pay to play the game, just as we did. Although we started later, we also had to pay just as they did. If you look back at one of my posts, I clearly said that I don't mind whether the PS3 version is released a year after the fixes, I just don't want to pay for the time others got for free. And I've already established that this is impossible and that all we PS3 users can hope for is some sort of bonus for this turn of events.



So Japan was playing FFXI 1 year before the NA release. By YOUR logic, when FFXI released in NA, every NA player should have received 1 year of free game time to compensate them for not being able to start at the same time Japan did.

Grow up.


That's not what he said at all, he's saying that since we get to play for free for the foreseeable future because of this announcement, PS3 players should get the same amount of time when they start as well since they got shafted. It's still unrealistic from a business standpoint, but yeah.
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#262 Dec 12 2010 at 1:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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That's not what he said at all, he's saying that since we get to play for free for the foreseeable future because of this announcement, PS3 players should get the same amount of time when they start as well since they got shafted. It's still unrealistic from a business standpoint, but yeah.


I would actually go for that, *IF* the PS3 version that ships is the same game version that PC players got on September 22nd of this year with their own separate temporary servers to support the "original" launch host. And updates and changes would be released identical in terms of spacing over weeks/months until the PS3 versions caught up to the point where PC players started paying a monthly subscription fee at which time the temporary servers would merge with existing servers. So if it's 4 months from PC launch until the game is brought up to par and PC players have to start paying, PS3 players get four months free AND they get to experience the game exactly the same way we did.

THEN, and only then, would I get behind such a ludicrous idea.
#263 Dec 12 2010 at 2:36 AM Rating: Good
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I think what needs to be understood by the overly-eager PS3 players is that the game, in its current state, would drive away more players than it would keep...

A lot of us were just as excited or even more excited than you were to be able to play the game. Many people spent a lot of money buying new computers, upgrading their computers, etc so that they would play the game the day it was released. I was in that crowd as well. So excited, sooo eager. I even bought 2 years of web space and set up a forum for my old LS mates to get together and plan our events in game.

I was in the group that said "I know it won't be perfect, but I'll still play a broken game." when the game was said to be released in late September. Yet, that mentality quickly faded when I started playing. The game was so broken and is still broken (just not as much), that it became more of a chore to log on. Since the November patch, I've only logged on for about 2 hours. The forums are nearly dead and only 2 or 3 of us log on for a few hours every week.

We were all heartbroken and some have already said they will not be returning even if they do fix the game.

Now just imagine if the same thing happened to the PS3 players? SE would lose almost everyone aside from the die-hards. This is why SE is delaying the game for PS3. It is to allow the PS3 players to have an enjoyable experience instead of the heartbreaking one the PC players are going through.

Even with the free time, it would not be wise for SE to open the flood gates for PS3 players. Too many would quickly become disheartened when they release just how bad it is. :/
#264 Dec 12 2010 at 3:38 AM Rating: Good
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@SE Why didn't you figure out all this before you released the game? You'd have saved yourselvs a lot of trouble.
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#265 Dec 12 2010 at 4:33 AM Rating: Decent
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The people that foolishly believe auto-attack will destroy this game is laughable.

RPGs are tuning games; numbers. Numbers, being math, are manipulated easily. AA simply means a baseline damage front. At most, they would have to adjust monster health pools and possibly their normal attacks due to the slightly faster kill speeds players would accomplish if they went with a 'simple' route. Whatever methods they would need to implement this as far as their coding (which is usually spaghetti as far as SE code goes) is another story entirely.

Am I for or against auto-attack? I'm not sure as there's just as my pros as there are cons and that leaves me conflicted. But don't presume that it's impossible to implement with the current system due to the 'balance'. They're programmers; if they can't tweak numbers they shouldn't be in the business to begin with.
#266 Dec 12 2010 at 6:18 AM Rating: Good
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For a moment I was jealous of the PS3 players. How come theys get a complete and finished game and I have to deal with this unfinished lump of dough? I didn't get to play with the fresh-bread sense of awesomeness! But then I decided, "To heck with it" I know that this game is going to get better, it already has!

And by the time the PS3 flood of noobies show up, I'll be ready for whatever else they put out.

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#267 Dec 12 2010 at 2:18 PM Rating: Good
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jschaub wrote:
theSubligaravenger wrote:
Demonadrastos wrote:
SE wrote:
Regarding the PlayStation 3, it is not our wish to release a simple conversion of the Windows version in its current state, but rather an update that includes all the improvements we have planned. For that reason, we have made the difficult decision to delay the release of the PlayStation 3 version beyond the originally announced date of March 2011.


I predict many fans may begin rampaging? o.0


Rampaging? why because when the game finally launches on PS3 theyll have a complete and playable game?


I'm pretty sure if you asked any PS3 player if they'd rather wait another 8 months for the finished game, or get in now on the unfinished game and play for free for the next 8 months, we'd all say the same thing.

PS3 is getting an enormous shaft. We wait, wait, wait, wait, get no beta, wait, wait, all while PC users get an indefinite free play session. That's it for me. Unless SE throws a HUGE bone to us PS3ers now, I'm not in. PS3ers kind enough to buy this game need something huge to offset the free 6 months all PCers are getting.

Everyone keeps saying how "lucky" us PS3ers will be to get a finished game. If we're so lucky, how come you all are still playing? If its such torture that we PS3ers are lucky to wait, then why don't you all quit too? I realize a lot of people have. But its just annoying how many times I have to hear how "lucky" I am for not getting involved in this mess. I'd rather have the option, then decide for myself, then have everyone else decide for me.

Edited, Dec 11th 2010 3:28pm by jschaub


I'm waiting for the ps3 release, and although I would love to be playing this game in march or now on pc, I know I will be much more happier starting out playing a complete ffxiv. I am hoping for that huge bone to be thrown though.

I think the reason most pc users are saying we're lucky is because we didnt spend a bunch of money on a new pc to play one bad game.
#269 Dec 12 2010 at 5:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Considering almost every argument however valid or frivolous has been made, I'll keep this short.
The delay is what broke my heart. Kinda ignored the forums for lack of willpower. Yeah I get that when finally ps3 version comes out, I'll have a complete game that I can be happy with. That's great and wonderful.

I'm highly disheartened, however, that my friend who has been playing since the alpha tests will be too far ahead of me to ever really give me the chance to play with him. I'll be starting with a few friends which is nice, but still. Though I think that it's not very cool that ps3 will get no extra free time, I understand that from a business perspective and considering I knew I'd be getting this game and paying the fees, that doesn't hurt TOO much. Especially since the pc users spent a bucketload of money upgrading their pc's and buying the game as well as a bunch of time either doing practically nothing but crappy grinding with a kinked system or not playing at all. So as a ps3 user, come on, we all know that ps3 players getting any extra free time other than the 30 days that comes with the game is out of the question. It'd send SE into the red so far we could all say bye to the game.

What I'm hoping as my new somewhat optimistic standpoint? That SE releases a couple new jobs with the ps3 launch. That way aside from extra content, there's new jobs for pc players to play with the "ps3 noobies". It doesn't have to be a pc/ps3 war. I don't want that at all. I know we'll be behind most pc players, but that doesn't mean pc players will kick us in the dirt and spit on us. Especially if SE gives them something that they have to start on at the same level as ps3 users.

Guess this wasn't so short lol. Anyway, kudos to pc players for sticking around and for fellow prospective ps3 players: let's just stick it out and hope it's not too long of a wait, yeah? I really want to play, with everyone, on a good game. Sure I'm "hungry" and want to play now, but SE isn't gonna set themselves up for a possible second failure. They would lose more players from ps3 users being unhappy with the game than ps3 users who get tired of waiting.
#270 Dec 12 2010 at 8:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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msconduct wrote:
cheezer5000 wrote:
jschaub wrote:
theSubligaravenger wrote:
Demonadrastos wrote:
SE wrote:
Regarding the PlayStation 3, it is not our wish to release a simple conversion of the Windows version in its current state, but rather an update that includes all the improvements we have planned. For that reason, we have made the difficult decision to delay the release of the PlayStation 3 version beyond the originally announced date of March 2011.


I predict many fans may begin rampaging? o.0


Rampaging? why because when the game finally launches on PS3 theyll have a complete and playable game?


I'm pretty sure if you asked any PS3 player if they'd rather wait another 8 months for the finished game, or get in now on the unfinished game and play for free for the next 8 months, we'd all say the same thing.

PS3 is getting an enormous shaft. We wait, wait, wait, wait, get no beta, wait, wait, all while PC users get an indefinite free play session. That's it for me. Unless SE throws a HUGE bone to us PS3ers now, I'm not in. PS3ers kind enough to buy this game need something huge to offset the free 6 months all PCers are getting.

Everyone keeps saying how "lucky" us PS3ers will be to get a finished game. If we're so lucky, how come you all are still playing? If its such torture that we PS3ers are lucky to wait, then why don't you all quit too? I realize a lot of people have. But its just annoying how many times I have to hear how "lucky" I am for not getting involved in this mess. I'd rather have the option, then decide for myself, then have everyone else decide for me.

Edited, Dec 11th 2010 3:28pm by jschaub


I'm waiting for the ps3 release, and although I would love to be playing this game in march or now on pc, I know I will be much more happier starting out playing a complete ffxiv. I am hoping for that huge bone to be thrown though.

I think the reason most pc users are saying we're lucky is because we didnt spend a bunch of money on a new pc to play one bad game.



My year old laptop runs this game beautifully, its an asus g60. It's not a super computer, but you don't need a super computer to play this game. People like to have the best rig on earth because its literally an extension of their epeen.

I am upset because this game is no where near the quality of FFXI. When I first started FFXI it was incredible, I enjoyed every second of it and was extremely immersed. FFXIV, not so much.

You PS3 people are lucky because when it finally launches for you guys, you will get to have this magic experience which, for us PC players, does not exist.



There were an awful lot of things about FFXI that were INCREDIBLY boring though. I can't count how many hours I wasted on LFG in order to level for a half an hour to have people leave to go back to the same process. I loved the game too, but it had it's drawbacks which most people seem to forget since ffxiv has so many atm.
#272 Dec 13 2010 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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I still stand firm that I believe this is no coincidence in the population decrease and the "delay" in the PS3 release. Just a week ago SE confirmed that the PS3 version was on schedule good to go. If things don't turn around and fast there will be no PS3 release.

The sad truth is SE from the beginning hasn't been able to decide what direction they wanted this game to go in and unfortunately that is exactly what they got a game with no direction. This game started development as a new skinned FFXI (this was even confirmed from their mouths) then they changed their minds and decided to make a new Next Gen MMO. Problem is they keep floundering back and forth on every point. It's actually becomming pretty comical the actions, announcements and desperation that you can see.

I still believe this has been the major problem plaguing the game since beta. It seems like they are trying to feel their way through this game by listening to feedback and trying to adjust it or tailor it to fit the "feedback". You can't make everyone happy and if you don't know what direction you want to go or what focus you want with this game how the **** is anyone else supposed to know what to expect.

One week it's "this game was created with solo play in mind" the next week contradiction. One week we want this to be a next gen MMO that can compete with titles like WoW, KotR the next week we really don't care what Wow, KotR are doing or going to do we don't really want to compete with games like this. Truth be told I think they really didn't know what direction they wanted to go so this was their plan to release the game in the state it was in and allow the fans to guide it. The only problem is when there is so much blank slate as they have provided along with the existing problems you're going to get so many opinions that by trying to please everyone you will end up pleasing no one.




#273 Dec 15 2010 at 2:41 AM Rating: Good
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I still stand firm that I believe this is no coincidence in the population decrease and the "delay" in the PS3 release. Just a week ago SE confirmed that the PS3 version was on schedule good to go. If things don't turn around and fast there will be no PS3 release.

The sad truth is SE from the beginning hasn't been able to decide what direction they wanted this game to go in and unfortunately that is exactly what they got a game with no direction. This game started development as a new skinned FFXI (this was even confirmed from their mouths) then they changed their minds and decided to make a new Next Gen MMO. Problem is they keep floundering back and forth on every point. It's actually becomming pretty comical the actions, announcements and desperation that you can see.

I still believe this has been the major problem plaguing the game since beta. It seems like they are trying to feel their way through this game by listening to feedback and trying to adjust it or tailor it to fit the "feedback". You can't make everyone happy and if you don't know what direction you want to go or what focus you want with this game how the **** is anyone else supposed to know what to expect.

One week it's "this game was created with solo play in mind" the next week contradiction. One week we want this to be a next gen MMO that can compete with titles like WoW, KotR the next week we really don't care what Wow, KotR are doing or going to do we don't really want to compete with games like this. Truth be told I think they really didn't know what direction they wanted to go so this was their plan to release the game in the state it was in and allow the fans to guide it. The only problem is when there is so much blank slate as they have provided along with the existing problems you're going to get so many opinions that by trying to please everyone you will end up pleasing no one.






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#274 Dec 15 2010 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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I still stand firm that I believe this is no coincidence in the population decrease and the "delay" in the PS3 release. Just a week ago SE confirmed that the PS3 version was on schedule good to go. If things don't turn around and fast there will be no PS3 release.

The sad truth is SE from the beginning hasn't been able to decide what direction they wanted this game to go in and unfortunately that is exactly what they got a game with no direction. This game started development as a new skinned FFXI (this was even confirmed from their mouths) then they changed their minds and decided to make a new Next Gen MMO. Problem is they keep floundering back and forth on every point. It's actually becomming pretty comical the actions, announcements and desperation that you can see.

I still believe this has been the major problem plaguing the game since beta. It seems like they are trying to feel their way through this game by listening to feedback and trying to adjust it or tailor it to fit the "feedback". You can't make everyone happy and if you don't know what direction you want to go or what focus you want with this game how the **** is anyone else supposed to know what to expect.

One week it's "this game was created with solo play in mind" the next week contradiction. One week we want this to be a next gen MMO that can compete with titles like WoW, KotR the next week we really don't care what Wow, KotR are doing or going to do we don't really want to compete with games like this. Truth be told I think they really didn't know what direction they wanted to go so this was their plan to release the game in the state it was in and allow the fans to guide it. The only problem is when there is so much blank slate as they have provided along with the existing problems you're going to get so many opinions that by trying to please everyone you will end up pleasing no one.






This dude has a point.
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