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#1 Dec 12 2010 at 5:44 PM Rating: Default
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Well, I've enjoyed a weekend of hearty gaming. FFXIV has kept me entertained for a good portion of it, however, I've noticed one small thing about the time I've placed into the game. Around 80% of that time was spent on gathering materials to level crafts just so that I could craft a better weapon for my main War job. I mean, its either craft the weapon or spend 30-50K gil on buying it. Is this normal?
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#2 Dec 12 2010 at 5:46 PM Rating: Decent
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30-50k is not a lot of gil so yes, it's normal.
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In a player-based economy, you betcha.
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#4 Dec 12 2010 at 6:01 PM Rating: Decent
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How is 30-50K not a lot? I only get 2K at most off my leves.
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#5 Dec 12 2010 at 6:05 PM Rating: Decent
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When u do rank 20 leves, most reward at least 10k. At R30, it gets a bit higher too. It's very easy to make 200k in week of very casual play.
#6 Dec 12 2010 at 6:06 PM Rating: Good
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Faladis wrote:
How is 30-50K not a lot? I only get 2K at most off my leves.

You just answered your own question;

8 combat leve *2k + 8 crafting leve *2k = 32k a day, and you're still new.

At my rank, it's closer to 10k per leve, or 160k a day.

People above me make probably closer to 300k a day.
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#7 Dec 12 2010 at 6:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Faladis wrote:
How is 30-50K not a lot? I only get 2K at most off my leves.


Rank 20 leves can pay over 20k if you stack leves when you exchange. You can start doing rank 20 battlecraft leves around rank 13. Realistically you should be pulling in 5k/leve on average. 8 leves = 40k. That doesn't account for drops you can vendor or sell out of your bazaar.
#8 Dec 12 2010 at 6:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Aurelius wrote:
Faladis wrote:
How is 30-50K not a lot? I only get 2K at most off my leves.


Rank 20 leves can pay over 20k if you stack leves when you exchange. You can start doing rank 20 battlecraft leves around rank 13. Realistically you should be pulling in 5k/leve on average. 8 leves = 40k. That doesn't account for drops you can vendor or sell out of your bazaar.
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That's if you can sell them out of your bazaar. I have no clue what to price at, and I have one other problem. If I can't afford the weaponry, armor, and gear I need to stay alive while on these leves, I'll never finish them. I've died about 7 times to dodos by now. Dodos!


Docent42 wrote:
Faladis wrote:
How is 30-50K not a lot? I only get 2K at most off my leves.

You just answered your own question;

8 combat leve *2k + 8 crafting leve *2k = 32k a day, and you're still new.

At my rank, it's closer to 10k per leve, or 160k a day.

People above me make probably closer to 300k a day.

That's if I can finish all the leves I get.
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#9 Dec 12 2010 at 6:24 PM Rating: Good
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Faladis wrote:
I've died about 7 times to dodos by now. Dodos!

Silver leves (look at the border) are harder than bronze ones; you were doing a group quest, likely alone.
Also, dodos aren't easy mobs when you're just starting out. They'll make you eat a couple of slices of humble pie.

Faladis wrote:
That's if I can finish all the leves I get.

No shame in asking for help. Team up with people, it doesn't split the reward when you do, so the one who starts the leve gets all the money, and those who help get pretty good SP compared to grinding.
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#10 Dec 12 2010 at 6:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Docent42 wrote:

Silver leves (look at the border) are harder than bronze ones; you were doing a group quest, likely alone.
Also, dodos aren't easy mobs when you're just starting out. They'll make you eat a couple of slices of humble pie.

No shame in asking for help. Team up with people, it doesn't split the reward when you do, so the one who starts the leve gets all the money, and those who help get pretty good SP compared to grinding.


Shouldn't all the leves be possible at the solo difficulty though? I thought that XIV was going to be comprehensive and allow players that would rather play by themselves instead of in groups to complete all leves and missions. Not to mention, I haven't had any luck finding a LS or any sort of help in-game with the leves.

Edited, Dec 12th 2010 7:42pm by Faladis
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#11 Dec 12 2010 at 6:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Faladis wrote:
Aurelius wrote:
Faladis wrote:
How is 30-50K not a lot? I only get 2K at most off my leves.


Rank 20 leves can pay over 20k if you stack leves when you exchange. You can start doing rank 20 battlecraft leves around rank 13. Realistically you should be pulling in 5k/leve on average. 8 leves = 40k. That doesn't account for drops you can vendor or sell out of your bazaar.
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That's if you can sell them out of your bazaar. I have no clue what to price at, and I have one other problem. If I can't afford the weaponry, armor, and gear I need to stay alive while on these leves, I'll never finish them. I've died about 7 times to dodos by now. Dodos!


Be very, very careful. You're dangling on the precipice between, "new person with questions" and "noob person with endless series of problems." You learn over time that there are some leves that are best not attempted solo below a particular rank. There aren't a lot of them, but there are some that you'll want to avoid. You get offered a total of 9 battlecraft leves for every bracket up to 30 every reset. You can afford to skip one of them...more if you take some fieldcraft leves as well. I was doing rank 20 battlecraft leves at rank 13 on my gladiator using a bronze dagger (rank 7) right the way up to rank 18 when I finally upgraded. I just did my first rank 30 leve today as a rank 21 gladiator. If you're having a hard time with more than one or two specific leves within a particular bracket you might want to look at your build and/or playstyle before you start blaming gear.
#12 Dec 12 2010 at 6:42 PM Rating: Good
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Faladis wrote:
Shouldn't all the leves be possible at the solo difficulty though? I thought that XIV was going to be comprehensive and allow players that would rather play by themselves instead of in groups to complete all leves and missions. Not to mention, I haven't had any luck finding a LS or any sort of help in-game with the leves.

Soloable doesn't mean easy, especially not silver leves. Anything involving imps, cactuars, yarzons, humanoids (footpads, archers, assassins) will have a high chance to explode an inexperienced new player. The game can be MEAN, and it will teach you to fear certain mobs and abilities. You can use that as a lesson and learn to counter them effectively, and eventually start soloing leves on difficulties that can wipe entire parties on your own, or you can simply learn to avoid picking a fight against things you believe you have no chance of winning.

You probably have no healing ability of your own yet? What class are you playing? How high is your physical level? Are you wearing rank and class-appropriate equipment, or still in your rank1 weathered starter gear?
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#13 Dec 12 2010 at 6:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Faladis wrote:
Docent42 wrote:

Silver leves (look at the border) are harder than bronze ones; you were doing a group quest, likely alone.
Also, dodos aren't easy mobs when you're just starting out. They'll make you eat a couple of slices of humble pie.

No shame in asking for help. Team up with people, it doesn't split the reward when you do, so the one who starts the leve gets all the money, and those who help get pretty good SP compared to grinding.


Shouldn't all the leves be possible at the solo difficulty though? I thought that XIV was going to be comprehensive and allow players that would rather play by themselves instead of in groups to complete all leves and missions. Not to mention, I haven't had any luck finding a LS or any sort of help in-game with the leves.


At the recommended rank, all leves ARE possible solo. Below the recommended rank and some are going to be dicey. I was doing silver ran k20 leves as a 15 GLA with no real problems at all. I have certain advantages that you might not have, but if you're trying to do a silver rank 20 leve at rank 15, of course it's going to be rough. It's not a rank 15 leve...it's a rank 20 leve. Just because you can take it sooner doesn't mean you're ever guaranteed success.
#14 Dec 12 2010 at 6:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Docent42 wrote:
Faladis wrote:
Shouldn't all the leves be possible at the solo difficulty though? I thought that XIV was going to be comprehensive and allow players that would rather play by themselves instead of in groups to complete all leves and missions. Not to mention, I haven't had any luck finding a LS or any sort of help in-game with the leves.

Soloable doesn't mean easy, especially not silver leves. Anything involving imps, cactuars, yarzons, humanoids (footpads, archers, assassins) will have a high chance to explode an inexperienced new player. The game can be MEAN, and it will teach you to fear certain mobs and abilities. You can use that as a lesson and learn to counter them effectively, and eventually start soloing leves on difficulties that can wipe entire parties on your own, or you can simply learn to avoid picking a fight against things you believe you have no chance of winning.

You probably have no healing ability of your own yet? What class are you playing? How high is your physical level? Are you wearing rank and class-appropriate equipment, or still in your rank1 weathered starter gear?


I'm trying to get my character to appear in my signature, but I keep having issues with the signature code. Anyway, to answer your question though, I do have Cure and Stoneskin already through my conjurer, but my main discipline is my lancer at Rank 14 and my physical level is 16. I'm still in my starter gear though because I can't craft any other gear (Linseed oil, a rank 20 alchemy recipe for a rank 6 weapon! Who'd have thought it?) and because I can't afford to buy it.

(Edit: There we go, signature is working!)

Edited, Dec 12th 2010 7:52pm by Faladis
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#15 Dec 12 2010 at 6:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Faladis wrote:

I'm trying to get my character to appear in my signature, but I keep having issues with the signature code. Anyway, to answer your question though, I do have Cure and Stoneskin already through my conjurer, but my main discipline is my lancer at Rank 14 and my physical level is 16. I'm still in my starter gear though because I can't craft any other gear (Linseed oil, a rank 20 alchemy recipe for a rank 6 weapon! Who'd have thought it?) and because I can't afford to buy it.


Linseed Oil is a rank 9 synth.

I'm not sure what you've been doing with your gil, but it's safe to say that you're probably rushing a bit. Take up a DoL class. You're not going to be able to focus on one class to the cap and the harder you try, the more ****** off you're going to get along the way.
#16 Dec 12 2010 at 7:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Aurelius wrote:

I'm not sure what you've been doing with your gil-

Repairs... lots and lots of repairs...
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#17 Dec 12 2010 at 7:00 PM Rating: Good
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Faladis wrote:
I'm trying to get my character to appear in my signature, but I keep having issues with the signature code.

Zam doesn't allow these kind of links in signature. They provide their own sigbanners, which you can get by looking in the HOME menu > Signature Editor

Faladis wrote:
Anyway, to answer your question though, I do have Cure and Stoneskin already through my conjurer, but my main discipline is my lancer at Rank 14 and my physical level is 16.

Level Thaumaturge to 4 for Sacrifice as well. This way you can cast them en rafalle to heal yourself faster than waiting on Cure's cooldown.
You'll want either THM10 or CON10 for Damnation or Radiance for MP regeneration. I suggest THM10 as it gives you access to Punishing Barbs as well, which is an invaluable solo tool.

Get yourself some rank10+ armor. Most of it should be fairly cheap at the Clothier's ward in uldah, since the weavers live in that city. Hempen shirts, Sarouels, etc. 4 rings for accuracy and some defensive stats is a must, and you can snatch those for 500-900gil a piece at the jeweler's ward.

Let go of Stoneskin, it's a waste of time for the most part.

You need lots of points in VIT for HPs. Some in MND for a minimal amount of MP for cures. The rest should go in STR/DEX (even split).

Bronze spear are expensive because they're used by goldsmiths to make brass spear, and they take a pretty hefty amount of synths to create. You should already get yourself the brass spear, at your rank, since you outlevel the bronze one anyway.

Make sure to always keep Speed Surge up if you're not (since every attack heals you when you have it up), and abuse Trammel's low TP cost. Doomspike is VERY nice on dodos, though, so if you can get a nice 3k TP attack on them, especially as an opener --- the first attack when you engage enemies never miss.

Circle strafe constantly during fights against dodos. You will hit them for additional damage as you hit their flanks or back, and they often start "charging" a belch, which means they stop moving. Mobs also start using their moves more often once they are damaged, so try to get them to 50% then begin the circle strafing. Also, belch is a frontal cone attack, so you can avoid it and not get blinded/slowed/slept if you do.

Good luck.

Edited, Dec 12th 2010 8:02pm by Docent42
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#18 Dec 12 2010 at 7:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Faladis wrote:
Aurelius wrote:

I'm not sure what you've been doing with your gil-

Repairs... lots and lots of repairs...


Repairing all of your starter gear at the NPC will run you maybe 2k. That's one leve. Where's the rest?
#19 Dec 12 2010 at 7:05 PM Rating: Good
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Buying all the starter gear for the other jobs. Buy individual materials to level said jobs to get them to where I can repair my gear.

I've only had the NPC repair my undergarments. Everything else I've tried to repair myself.
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#20 Dec 12 2010 at 7:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Faladis wrote:
Buying all the starter gear for the other jobs. Buy individual materials to level said jobs to get them to where I can repair my gear.

I've only had the NPC repair my undergarments. Everything else I've tried to repair myself.


So in other words, you're rushing. Don't try to powerlevel DoH classes if you're already hurting for gil. It's so far from necessary it's not funny. That means stop buying mats to rank them up. The only thing I ever bought from an NPC to rank up a lowbie DoH class was Muddy Water for alchemy. If you need ore, mine or kill copper coblyns. If you need wood, take a spin around as a botanist. If you need cloth, harvest or kill rats/marmots for moko grass/cotton bolls. If you need sheepskin, truck on over to La Noscea and bludgeon Lost Ewes (they squeak when you stomp 'em!)

Despite what all the critics are saying, the game isn't going anywhere. If you ram your head into a wall trying to rush, you're going to wind up with...your head in a wall. At which point you'll have nobody to blame but yourself. Slow down. Do it right. It hurts less.
#21 Dec 12 2010 at 7:13 PM Rating: Good
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Work your way up and save. Last week I still saw some Harpoon at 8k-10k and that's some huge saving there compared to when I first started out, just a single component of the Harpoon recipe called Fish Glue can eat 15k out of your pocket. Item prices are much cheaper now, sure they reduced the leve reward a bit but Silver Leve still give quite a bit of Gil especially when you exchange for 4 leves worth 2 stars (Different Authority/City and Different Leve card) you can almost double the reward. Also the Story quest reward wasn't reduced either, that's a fair bit of Gil there. If anything DoW/DoM has it much much easier to start out compare to DoH.
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Aurelius wrote:
Faladis wrote:
Buying all the starter gear for the other jobs. Buy individual materials to level said jobs to get them to where I can repair my gear.

I've only had the NPC repair my undergarments. Everything else I've tried to repair myself.


So in other words, you're rushing. Don't try to powerlevel DoH classes if you're already hurting for gil. It's so far from necessary it's not funny. That means stop buying mats to rank them up. The only thing I ever bought from an NPC to rank up a lowbie DoH class was Muddy Water for alchemy. If you need ore, mine or kill copper coblyns. If you need wood, take a spin around as a botanist. If you need cloth, harvest or kill rats/marmots for moko grass/cotton bolls. If you need sheepskin, truck on over to La Noscea and bludgeon Lost Ewes (they squeak when you stomp 'em!)

Despite what all the critics are saying, the game isn't going anywhere. If you ram your head into a wall trying to rush, you're going to wind up with...your head in a wall. At which point you'll have nobody to blame but yourself. Slow down. Do it right. It hurts less.


That's the thing though, I've got most of the beginning materials in stacks up to the ceiling. Moko grass? Got about 43 of it on my retainer, not including the +1,+2 varieties. It's materials that are difficult/odd to get that are hurting me. Flax for example, and maple logs too. Both I need to upgrade my weaponry, but both are in dangerous zones that I can't get to because everything seems to aggro to me on sight and kill me in a few hits, thus, my current conundrum.

Oh, and yes, the squeaky sheep are awesome(and good for wind shards as I've found), I just wish I didn't have to take 20 minutes or so of running and boat rides to get to them. :c
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#23 Dec 12 2010 at 7:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Faladis wrote:

That's the thing though, I've got most of the beginning materials in stacks up to the ceiling. Moko grass? Got about 43 of it on my retainer, not including the +1,+2 varieties. It's materials that are difficult/odd to get that are hurting me. Flax for example, and maple logs too. Both I need to upgrade my weaponry, but both are in dangerous zones that I can't get to because everything seems to aggro to me on sight and kill me in a few hits, thus, my current conundrum.

Oh, and yes, the squeaky sheep are awesome(and good for wind shards as I've found), I just wish I didn't have to take 20 minutes or so of running and boat rides to get to them. :c


Flax drops from Fireflies in The Black Shroud and Roselet mobs in The Black Shroud and La Noscea. Maple Logs can be logged from grade 1 logging nodes. You don't need to be anywhere near aggressive mobs to find fireflies or grade 1 logging nodes. Roselets can be nasty lil buggers but you should have no difficulty killing them at rank 14.
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Aurelius wrote:

Flax drops from Fireflies in The Black Shroud and Roselet mobs in The Black Shroud and La Noscea. Maple Logs can be logged from grade 1 logging nodes. You don't need to be anywhere near aggressive mobs to find fireflies or grade 1 logging nodes. Roselets can be nasty lil buggers but you should have no difficulty killing them at rank 14.


All I've gotten from the Grade 1 nodes were Lauan logs. Do you mean grade 1 in The Black Shroud?
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#25 Dec 12 2010 at 7:38 PM Rating: Good
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Faladis wrote:
All I've gotten from the Grade 1 nodes were Lauan logs. Do you mean grade 1 in The Black Shroud?

Lauan and Ash trees can be found near ul'dah. For maple trees, you need to go to The Black Shroud, yes.
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#26 Dec 12 2010 at 7:46 PM Rating: Good
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Well, that explains quite a bit. Thanks.
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#27 Dec 13 2010 at 1:02 AM Rating: Decent
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30-50k is really not much at all. I get 5k+ for each crafting leve I do, + 10-20k per battle leve, and 2-15 per mining leve. Then I craft like 20-30 silver rings, sell them to an npc for 1.8k each (minus like 1k for crystals/shards) and I am set. I mine almost all of my own ore, and try to get at least 20% of my crystals and shards from farming, so in the end I make a decent profit margin.
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