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#1 Dec 13 2010 at 2:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Hi, I wanted to re-clarify that if I were to purchase this game that there would be no monthly subscription until S-E gets a "concrete plan" for FFXIV with the new team; is this true?

I would also like to know from the community about how active FFXIV worlds have been because if I read right the economy is very player driven. I also read/watched reviews for this game, but seeing how they're two months are those reviews still very valid (poor UI, quest repetition, eyecandy, etc.)? Hope to see some pros and cons about FFXIV's current state.
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#2Pyro2580, Posted: Dec 13 2010 at 2:50 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Its true so your looking at about a year or 2 of free sub. Games gonna be broke for about that long if we go by how SE did things in the past.
#3 Dec 13 2010 at 2:52 AM Rating: Good
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For the most part the game is still the same as it was when it was released a couple months ago - they fixed the UI lag and many other small things but content wise its still the same things over and over again, atm the game world seems empty but if you're an FF fan, like many of us, you might find something you'd appreciate but if you want my honest opinion I'd say wait 'til January 'til you purchase it (at the very least they'll have 2 more patches out by then which are supposed to add more content to the game amongst other things).

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Its true so your looking at about a year or 2 of free sub. Games gonna be broke for about that long if we go by how SE did things in the past.


....and if you were going for humor, you failed...and if it was wit you were after, you failed some more.

Edited, Dec 13th 2010 3:54am by SolidMack
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#4Pyro2580, Posted: Dec 13 2010 at 2:55 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sorry its the truth, if u cant handle it u dont have to sit on the forums and watch every post.
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Pyro2580 wrote:
SolidMack wrote:
For the most part the game is still the same as it was when it was released a couple months ago - they fixed the UI lag and many other small things but content wise its still the same things over and over again, atm the game world seems empty but if you're an FF fan, like many of us, you might find something you'd appreciate but if you want my honest opinion I'd say wait 'til January 'til you purchase it (at the very least they'll have 2 more patches out by then which are supposed to add more content to the game amongst other things).

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Its true so your looking at about a year or 2 of free sub. Games gonna be broke for about that long if we go by how SE did things in the past.


....and if you were going for humor, you failed...and if it was wit you were after, you failed some more.

Edited, Dec 13th 2010 3:54am by SolidMack


Sorry its the truth, if u cant handle it u dont have to sit on the forums and watch every post.


Lol dude, I don't mind you hating on the game, honestly I don't care...but you are a fairly dedicated hater considering its in the AM and you're on a forum of a game you dislike and a company you dislike it seems too, kinda pathetic if you ask me but whatever keeps you rolling along.
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#6Hyanmen, Posted: Dec 13 2010 at 3:00 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yeah, I'm sure it will take them that long to give us a concrete plan as to where the game is headed.
#7 Dec 13 2010 at 3:03 AM Rating: Good
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wow, we get a two in one special tonight.
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#8 Dec 13 2010 at 3:12 AM Rating: Good
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Regardless of when SE starts charging for subscriptions you're still going to get your first month free.
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#9 Dec 13 2010 at 4:47 AM Rating: Default
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Hmmm could be a big conspiracy. Is FFXIV the newest free to play MMO??
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#10pec, Posted: Dec 13 2010 at 5:31 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) WHO STARTED THE FLAMING.
#11 Dec 13 2010 at 6:24 AM Rating: Decent
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IMO there should be enough to keep you going, try different jobs/crafts/gathering, get some basic levels up and there should be two patches this month to add more content/adjust mechanics etc and take advantage of the extra free play time. I would find it quite hard to believe that you will run out of things to try/do before this months patches arrive.
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#12 Dec 13 2010 at 6:43 AM Rating: Good
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It sounds like you really want to play the game. I'm sure you can find a copy for $30 somewhere this holiday season. I'd guess its going to be free for about another 6 months or so.
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#13 Dec 13 2010 at 6:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Pro's:
Free to play for foreseeability future
Enough content for a couple weeks
Nice graphics
Decent base for a good game if fixed properly

Con's:
Economy horrible needs a AH badly
No /sea function sucks trying to make or join a pt
Content besides main story is very bland
UI still needs some major work

Edited, Dec 13th 2010 7:45am by Emberx
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#14 Dec 13 2010 at 7:37 AM Rating: Good
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Jump in it if you want to try it out its free and SE is adding more content, hopefully enough to please the people who want a reason to hit 50 but yet see no purpose in it. Christmas event, goblins, flans, open world NMs, faction leve bosses, token NMs. For me this is more then enough to do until the next update or patch... which will probably be at the end of Dec.
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#15 Dec 13 2010 at 7:44 AM Rating: Decent
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You guys crack me up still.

When it was first released people made a huge list of why it failed.

Now that 95% of that list is fixed some of you still not happy i mean seriously?

If the game is that bad can you just delete your account and leave? SE has one more big update to come then its all content content content. Nothing major really needs to be done in this game now except content.
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#16 Dec 13 2010 at 7:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Lonix wrote:
You guys crack me up still.

When it was first released people made a huge list of why it failed.

Now that 95% of that list is fixed some of you still not happy i mean seriously?

If the game is that bad can you just delete your account and leave? SE has one more big update to come then its all content content content. Nothing major really needs to be done in this game now except content.


I respect that you have an opinion and its different than mine. The game needs a lot more than content.
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#17 Dec 13 2010 at 8:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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As others have said, the game is definitely playable now. Unless you're a hard-core grinder that NEEDS to be at level cap immediately, there is totally enough content to keep you busy for a couple weeks:
There's more than a few jobs to try out, levequests, crafting and/or gathering, faction leves, the main story line, behest.

We're due for at least one more somewhat major patch this month (the 15th I believe) which is supposed to be adding significantly more to do as well.

All-in-all, with no subscription fee in the foreseeable future I'd say it's definitely worth the $20-$30 for the disc.
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#18 Dec 13 2010 at 8:08 AM Rating: Good
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Still you must admit UI lag was the big thing for people. Lack of NMs another big thing. Uneven SP another big thing.

Parties may need some tweaking still, but the truth is a lot of the game breaking things are fixed for most people. Mechanics wise the game is very different from launch and with new UI coming it will make it even better. Key binding was another awesome improvement which people glossed over without the fanfare they yelled about it on forums. They even removed one window for the start synth option with more improvements to come in Dec.

He is entirely right on Dec fixing mechanics, content is the last thing these naysayers will have to complain about with any valid point and frankly it is starting to lose ground too. Hope they expand quests and more of these faction chain stories and finally lay this content issue to rest.
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#19 Dec 13 2010 at 8:53 AM Rating: Default
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Lonix wrote:
You guys crack me up still.

When it was first released people made a huge list of why it failed.

Now that 95% of that list is fixed some of you still not happy i mean seriously?

If the game is that bad can you just delete your account and leave? SE has one more big update to come then its all content content content. Nothing major really needs to be done in this game now except content.


I really don't feel that 95% of the problems have been fixed. Most of the easy (ie should have been done before beta) issues have been adjusted, and most of those fixed. Everything that was worked on was superficial, the core mechanics and content are still pretty poor. All in all we have a much easier to play free to play quality game.
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#20 Dec 13 2010 at 10:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Lonix wrote:

When it was first released people made a huge list of why it failed.

Now that 95% of that list is fixed some of you still not happy i mean seriously?



There are people that genuinely believe this? Fascinating. They are nowhere near close to fixing the laundry list of problems with the game, to suggest otherwise is ludicrous. "95% of that list is fixed" what a joke. What annoys me most about SE apologists, is that if it was left to them we'd all be paying for a broken mess right now. It's because of people being vocal and making their voices heard that SE are really trying to fix the problem and we haven't had to pay for 2 months now.


#21 Dec 13 2010 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the reply folks and I just have one final question. As a player who enjoyed FF games since the very beginning and plan on casually playing this online (roughly 2-3 hours a day I guess); will I still be able to enjoy it? It seems the grinding aspect will always be something you can't avoid, but I hear the questing is rather bland. Anyways, if this game can still be fun for someone like myself, I'll go ahead and buy it after I get off work.
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#22 Dec 13 2010 at 11:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Goshzilla wrote:
Thanks for the reply folks and I just have one final question. As a player who enjoyed FF games since the very beginning and plan on casually playing this online (roughly 2-3 hours a day I guess); will I still be able to enjoy it? It seems the grinding aspect will always be something you can't avoid, but I hear the questing is rather bland. Anyways, if this game can still be fun for someone like myself, I'll go ahead and buy it after I get off work.


yes you can enjoy it

the questing is somewhat like grinding, except you get bonus exp because its part of a quest and gives you direction in which to go with it
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#23 Dec 13 2010 at 11:50 AM Rating: Good
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I think it is totally worth picking up - and with 2-3 hours a night you will have plenty to do. I highly suggest finding a linkshell right away, however. It will be much less fun without one. A linkshell will help you get the gear you want faster and easy way to make parties.

Another update is happening this week - along with a christmas event. If you start playing now you should get at least 2, and probably 3 months of free sub out of it. Maybe they will have the game free to play until PS3 release. I don't know - but it is totally worth checking out.

Again, I highly recommend joining a shell though. Check out the server forums here for recruitment.
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#24 Dec 13 2010 at 12:12 PM Rating: Default
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Tarcupix wrote:
Lonix wrote:

When it was first released people made a huge list of why it failed.

Now that 95% of that list is fixed some of you still not happy i mean seriously?



There are people that genuinely believe this? Fascinating. They are nowhere near close to fixing the laundry list of problems with the game, to suggest otherwise is ludicrous. "95% of that list is fixed" what a joke. What annoys me most about SE apologists, is that if it was left to them we'd all be paying for a broken mess right now. It's because of people being vocal and making their voices heard that SE are really trying to fix the problem and we haven't had to pay for 2 months now.




I completely agree with this. What is pathetic is that almost all of the "problems" with the game which have been pointed out (no need to flog that horse anymore) should have been addressed before release. This was evident way back in beta. The excuse then was "it's only beta" well those types of excuses continued to play out and continue even now. The fact is even in it's current state the game is STILL NOT (EVEN NOW) where it should have been before it "officially released". I would love to love this game the potential is huge but to keep beating my head against a wall waiting sucks dhalmel nuts. How this game got the approval to proceed in it's state is beyond me.

I'm with the camp that says shut it down and salvage/re-vamp what you can and re-release later. Release it under the same name or a new name whatever but don't bring it back out into light until it's polished.
#25 Dec 13 2010 at 12:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just bought this game at Gamestop for only 29.99 and it was a brand new copy too, thanks for the feedback fellow mates, and maybe we'll cross paths!
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#26 Dec 13 2010 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
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Honestly, I don't mind them leaving the game running in a perpetual state of "Beta" so long as they're not charging for it. It would be a totally different matter if I had to pay monthly subscription fees; I decided in September, then again in October, then a third time in November that I was not going to pay for the game.

I don't have click and buy set up, I don't have any crysta currency purchased, so as soon as the game is no longer free, I'm going to get shut off, and in the state the game was in, I would never have had a problem with that.

The way I see it, 99% of people who played during beta echoed the same thing: "They need to delay the release and extend the beta. The game is NOT ready yet." The common response to nine out of ten gripes was "It's just beta, it will be fixed by release".

Well, we can't dispute that they flubbed the release, but now that it's free, the game is pretty much back in beta again. So in effect, they've "postponed the release" indefinitely by making it free to play and "extended the beta", telling us that we will not get charged until the game is release ready.

As far as I'm concerned, that's pretty much what we asked for, isn't it? Wasn't the cacophony in agreement over the notions that the game should have been delayed and the beta extended? Only difference is that you're playing a beta that you have to preorder the game for. Sounds reasonable enough to me.

As for the people who insist that "everything has been fixed"; you're wrong. Even SE, a company who has a history of never admitting they're wrong with a gun to their head has admitted that the game is not acceptable and is making it free until it is.

I figure the free period will last 3-6 months before they start charging. And I'm sure that when they do, people will STILL insist the game is broken/incomplete and SE is ripping them off and blah blah blah... and they will probably just be whining, but they may be right; we won't know till then.

Until then...

If you're unhappy with the game (much as I am myself), my suggestion is to keep checking back after updates and give it a chance with each set of fixes. It's free so it's not like doing so costs you anything but time. If you really didn't want to play any more at all, you probably wouldn't be reading this post.

If you're happy with the game and you think that the people who aren't happy are not entitled to their opinion, then all I have to say is that it's thanks to them that you not only have a game YOU are happy with, but you get to play it for free while it gets EVEN BETTER. If you like the game so much, I don't understand why you would complain about it being FREE. If you really want to spend your money, I would be happy to give you an address to mail a check for $13 to me.

If you're not sure if you should try the game or not, my answer to you is yes. It doesn't matter how many people are happy or unhappy with a particular product. FFXI, FFXIV, WoW, EVE, GW... Buy the game and try it. No one but you can tell you if you like the game or not. Just because I, personally, feel the game is incomplete does not mean I'm going to tell someone else "Oh, don't play it; it sucks". People who do that are idiots. I'll say it again: If someone tells you that you SHOULD or that you SHOULD NOT try a game, for NO OTHER REASON than because they do or don't like that game, their suggestion should be taken with a grain of salt at best. Only YOU can tell you if you like a game, and that means that you should not limit yourself to which games to try based on other people's suggestions to try or avoid them. If you want to know if you will like a game or not, the only way to know is to try it yourself, not ask other people if you will like it. Unless they know what you like, they cannot form a worthwhile opinion.
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#27 Dec 13 2010 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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Just bought this game at Gamestop for only 29.99 and it was a brand new copy too, thanks for the feedback fellow mates, and maybe we'll cross paths!


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#28 Dec 13 2010 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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I doubt it'll be a year or 2. I'd buy 6 months tho. It shouldn't take that long for them to asses the situation and create a solid reasonable plan. I bet it ages them horribly tho.
#29 Dec 13 2010 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually I decided to roll on Lindblum since that was one of the most prominent names I recall back in FFXI, haha.
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#30 Dec 13 2010 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Check your computer specs to see if you can run the game then if you a Final Fantasy fan pick it up it's only 30bucks now. That your subscription for now.This is a long term game SE made the mistake "and the money grab" of releasing it world wide instead of just closed to japan while they provided more content.I honestly think It'll be free for awhile to make up what people paid for the disk and to stop any wacky lawsuits angry people can think up.
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#31 Dec 13 2010 at 4:34 PM Rating: Good
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Now that 95% of that list is fixed some of you still not happy i mean seriously?


If by "95% of that list is fixed," you mean that the most basic of features expected to be present any game have been improved to a bearable degree, then I guess SE has fixed the game... but, rudimentary UI and inventory functionality aside, people are still unhappy because they want more than repetitive levequests from their game.
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#33 Dec 13 2010 at 6:04 PM Rating: Good
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How mad are you guys gonna be when they decide to scrap everything that was done during the free to play period?


They wouldn't do that in a million years.All the players that have stuck by them for this period of game fixes would surely quit then.
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It would certainly suck. I'm just paranoid, thinking "Oh, we extended the beta and it was free. Now it's not and we fixed everything so now you have to restart and pay".
I doubt it'll ever happen, just a concern.


I don't see that happening, I think keeping what we earned is reward for sticking it out since release. That's the difference between playing a real beta, and buying the game at release. I do however see this as a way to lure some people back and maybe getting some new players in as well.
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