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#1 Dec 14 2010 at 10:56 AM Rating: Decent
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The database reflects a cluster synth = 24 crystals. Is that true? If so, assuming a wind shard sells for 300 gil, that would value the cluster @ roughly 300 x 16 x24 = 115K (less some marginal # for the synthing)? Hmmm, doesn't sound right to me. Can anyone verify, please.

What level recipe is this?

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#2 Dec 14 2010 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
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Turning CLusters into crystals is a level 36(minimum) synth, which means its level 45 or so. Dont really wanna mess with it til 39/40 Alchemy.

They can be turned into 16 crystals using Morraines, 24 using Radiant Morraines, and 32 "different" crystals depending on the combination using Astral and Umbral Morraines.
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#3 Dec 14 2010 at 11:01 AM Rating: Good
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First off, crystals are never usually the value of their accumulated shards so your math is rather off, if not skewed. I am seeing clusters going for anywhere from 50 to 80k or so not the 115k your math factors out to be. As for the level of synth to break down clusters into crystals I believe it is a level 45 Alchemist synth.
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#4 Dec 14 2010 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Mocarth, Eternal Mercenary wrote:
First off, crystals are never usually the value of their accumulated shards so your math is rather off, if not skewed. I am seeing clusters going for anywhere from 50 to 80k or so not the 115k your math factors out to be. As for the level of synth to break down clusters into crystals I believe it is a level 45 Alchemist synth.


wow where are you looking for them

im seeing clusters for 15-25k all around. the fact that it takes so long to break them down apperently is factoring in to the fact that they arent going for a ton.
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#5 Dec 14 2010 at 11:05 AM Rating: Good
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yeah I don't have a hope of synthing down clusters for at least another month - and that is if I grind alchemy like crazy (which I won't).

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#6 Dec 14 2010 at 11:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Vedis wrote:
Mocarth, Eternal Mercenary wrote:
First off, crystals are never usually the value of their accumulated shards so your math is rather off, if not skewed. I am seeing clusters going for anywhere from 50 to 80k or so not the 115k your math factors out to be. As for the level of synth to break down clusters into crystals I believe it is a level 45 Alchemist synth.


wow where are you looking for them

im seeing clusters for 15-25k all around. the fact that it takes so long to break them down apperently is factoring in to the fact that they arent going for a ton.


Unfortunately I ended up on another high cost server (I was on Midgardsormr in FFXI, home of one of if not the highest rate of inflation in the game) and stuff is almost always more than the global average. Comes from have a certain LS on the server that is dedicated to crafting and has tried to manipulate the market at the expense of the server membership. (Thus why I have had my LS do a pile of crafting to level various crafts as well as ally us with a different crafting specific LS to combat the above mentioned LS to help bring down prices to a more reasonable and fair level while still turning a profit)
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#7 Dec 14 2010 at 11:34 AM Rating: Good
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I sell clusters for 30k each. I'm not greedy. They are very easy to obtain through r30 leves and behests. Anyone who is charging 50-80k is just price-gouging. Especially now that crystals and shards drop like water from regional leves.
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#8 Dec 14 2010 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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All makes sense. Thanks for the quick responses.
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#9 Dec 14 2010 at 12:27 PM Rating: Good
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Don't forget how obnoxiously hard it is to get moraines.

If you're lucky, you can get ~2/leve reset at R33+. Compared to how often you can get clusters, moraines are really the bottleneck.
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Don't forget that there are other ways to obtain Astral/Umbral Moraine. Zombie Pikeman drops Astral Moraine while Zombie Mage drops Umbral Moraine, or you can HQ up to 2 Astral/Umbral Moraine from Elemental rocks.
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#11 Dec 15 2010 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
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Clusters need to be converted to crystals which further need to be converted to shards, in order to be useful for most synths. There's no incentive to pay 115k for a wind cluster if you just want it for the shards. Also, there's a gamble with breaks, so a lower price seems quite fitting, especially when you consider that only a few ALCs can break them down.
#12 Dec 15 2010 at 10:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Meowshi wrote:
Don't forget how obnoxiously hard it is to get moraines.

If you're lucky, you can get ~2/leve reset at R33+. Compared to how often you can get clusters, moraines are really the bottleneck.


You just have to farm Elementals. I'm still looking for a camp to farm Wind Elementals though, only found good camps for Fire, Earth and Lightning so far. And just running around there for an hour nets you several moraines.
Only negative point...you have be a certain rank to be able to do it, or just Duo with a Healer or w/e.
But so or so, leves are not the way to get moraines, just farm Elementals.
#13 Dec 15 2010 at 12:42 PM Rating: Good
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Shezard wrote:
Meowshi wrote:
Don't forget how obnoxiously hard it is to get moraines.

If you're lucky, you can get ~2/leve reset at R33+. Compared to how often you can get clusters, moraines are really the bottleneck.


You just have to farm Elementals. I'm still looking for a camp to farm Wind Elementals though, only found good camps for Fire, Earth and Lightning so far. And just running around there for an hour nets you several moraines.
Only negative point...you have be a certain rank to be able to do it, or just Duo with a Healer or w/e.
But so or so, leves are not the way to get moraines, just farm Elementals.


Getting radiant and regular moraines is a waste.

I'm talking about Astral / Umbral ones.

and @Khornette: I always thought the zombie monsters were leves only.
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