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#1 Dec 14 2010 at 9:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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How social are you in-game?

It's really been bothering me lately how people shut themselves off from anyone not in their linkshells, and for no apparent reason. I can understand if they were avoiding a player who is known for being an ***, or even someone who doesn't have much playing skills. But when two people are complete strangers to each other and one tries to start a conversation, s/he gets ignored. WTF?

This has happened to me soooo many times. See a person without a linkshell? Ask them if they want to join yours. What happens? They will ignore you. Not only that, they might even target you and ignore you. Or stand there and start crafting. They do something that eliminates the thought of them being AFK, but they don't respond. If you're one of those kinds of people, why do you do that? I don't understand how people can play MMOs and shut themselves off to majority of the people playing around them.

I hate to compare this to any other game, but just thinking back to when I've played other MMOs, it was cool to meet new people. You could help each other out, or just kill time talkin' about random things. With the way this game is designed, you kind of NEED to communicate with people to get things done, big or small. Getting repairs, having something crafted, having friends who will hold onto certain materials you need if the get them while they're doing their own thing, partying, and the list goes on. So once again, with so many benefits to having friends in the game, why do you avoid making them? Or in the very least, why do you insist on being rude and not giving so much as a "yes" or "no"?
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#2 Dec 14 2010 at 10:01 PM Rating: Good
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This game is too solo-centric and thats why people behave that way outside the LS. The environment affects the society.
#3 Dec 14 2010 at 10:01 PM Rating: Good
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Ya.. I can't quite figure out why the community is so anti-social in this game. I am guilty of it too sometimes but i don't know why lol. There must be something about the chat interface that is causing it. Personally, it would help me if they just put some of the system text like skill points/exp/attacks/etc in a sepperate tab. Right now a lot of stuff gets lost in general chat, especially if people are crafting and doing things around you
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#4 Dec 14 2010 at 10:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Shredmastah wrote:
Personally, it would help me if they just put some of the system text like skill points/exp/attacks/etc in a sepperate tab. Right now a lot of stuff gets lost in general chat, especially if people are crafting and doing things around you


With the last update they did you can. The main one i keep for ls chat only, added the 2nd chat window they are allowing and set them up for what i want to be displayed. 1 for party chat and other for the rest of it..(crafting, xp, sp.... u name it)
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#5 Dec 14 2010 at 10:55 PM Rating: Good
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I know why I am anti-social. I do other things while I wait for behest and aside from that I do battle/craft leves. Why waste my time chatting when no one even chats anyways. Everyone is always on the move in the game. People are at aetherytes to do leves not sit and chat. People in towns are crafting or AFK bazaaring.

There was only tons of chat spam in Jeuno because people used it to shout for help or get members for missions/BCNMs/etc. Those commotion sparks a living community and it motivates people to do general/funny chats because they know others are listening out there.

Just like being at a dead party, there needs to be someone that "kick start" it off.
#6 Dec 14 2010 at 11:32 PM Rating: Good
Im too social... i get told that i talk <type> too much and need to play more.

It's even worse in vent lol
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#7 Dec 14 2010 at 11:35 PM Rating: Decent
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It's even worse in vent lol


worse in vent ya say... hmmmm, Do you use the chat function in vent at the same time as talking and trying to type in game? lol
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#8 Dec 14 2010 at 11:37 PM Rating: Good
yes, and being binded to my left shift key makes it all caps lol

Edited, Dec 15th 2010 12:38am by FinalFanXIV
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#9 Dec 14 2010 at 11:57 PM Rating: Decent
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With the last update they did you can. The main one i keep for ls chat only, added the 2nd chat window they are allowing and set them up for what i want to be displayed. 1 for party chat and other for the rest of it..(crafting, xp, sp.... u name it)


I wasn't aware of this..guess I missed it.

Back to the Op..

I don't think people in this game are any different than any other game.The UI isn't real friendly toward
socializing,especially when in the middle of a synth,but whatever.

When I ponder my own game time,it's like who has time.Battle Leves,Crafting Leves,Faction Leves,Crafting,
Skillup Parties,Behest,Farming,Travel Time,Searching the Wards >.<,Farming...OHHHH BOY!

I think I'm gonna slow down and enjoy a bit more.We all get in a rush to get to the end,almost as though
the game was going to end tomorrow,lol.

I have a real life friend who I just wanna slap sometimes.He likes to say hello to everyone we
pass on the street.We get alot of strange looks,but ya know,I'm amazed at how many give a positive reaction.
He says he likes to catch people off guard that way.The one's that give the strange looks or a worse reaction crack him up.

Think I'm going to start doing this more often.Wave to people or something on the way to a camp.
If nothing else,the WTF reaction is worth a good laugh don't ya think.

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#10 Dec 15 2010 at 12:39 AM Rating: Good
In this game, I'm reasonably social in LS/Party chat, and normal chat can lead to, among other things, Linkshell invites and more friends to meet up with and do stuff. Last night, incidentally, someone in normal chat wrote in Spanish that my character was wearing completely wrong clothes, and I simply shook my head back at them :-)

I do agree with the OP on this:

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With the way this game is designed, you kind of NEED to communicate with people to get things done, big or small. Getting repairs, having something crafted, having friends who will hold onto certain materials you need if the get them while they're doing their own thing, partying, and the list goes on.


It's no small secret that the easiest way to get, among other things, repairs done is to go into Auto-Translate and do the following:

(Can you repair it?) (Job) Rank (Item) (Reward) X (Gil)

and put that into /say at an appropriate place e.g Repair NPC or the item maker's Guild. Most of the time, the item will be fixed in less than 5 minutes, and you can do your /bow or /joy emotes. Talking to them after that works wonders for meeting new people as well.

Or for partying, how about:

(Party) (Behest NPC) (Do you need it?)

And that'll usually net you a full party at populated camps, and then you can do Party chat too.

People have probably got to be a little more open about chatting, but perhaps some people don't want to at the end of the day.

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#11 Dec 15 2010 at 1:26 PM Rating: Decent
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My gear is just to shoddy too even think of becoming the weakest link in a party.I bought voice chat gear just in case I became a more social person, I half installed it. Still playing blissfully solo till i get all my jobs to level 20. At least a fake link shell stopped blind invites from faceless people offering me link shell invites.I've saved a few people with rocks and taunt so I don't think i'm to anti social.
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#12 Dec 15 2010 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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Huh.

Well, I *used* to be social. You really couldn't shut me up for long, unless I was concentrating on something that required me to concentrate - and I got pretty good at typing fast anyways, because sometimes that joke just HAS to come out, even if your aggro hold might suffer.

But now, I'd be one of those guys that would ignore the OP most of the time. The main culprit is simply needing to have hands to the keyboard, pushing skill buttons. Unless I stand perfect still, doing nothing BUT talking, I'm usually too busy managing screens to pay attention to the chat bar. I'm going to miss that incoming piece of /say or even /tell.

While the secondary window for segregating chat is better than nothing, the fact that its not freaking docked to the main chat bar takes up valuable real estate. My display is not large. Having it open to SEE the local, linkshell and whispers means I'm overlaying more of the world than I particularly want to. So I often find myself closing it if I'm not actively talking to someone, so again, I'm going to miss something.

And I think the last reason is that, after spending two months being unable to pay attention to the scrolling content, I've simply stopped looking. Even with the new chat changes, my brain still ignores the input as "impossible to track".

It's not so much anti-social for me (ie, leave me alone, i'm busy and i don't want to talk) as I still like online people as much as I ever did, as now I'm conditioned to save conversation for when I'm interested in devoting attention to it (/party, /linkshell).

And also, I suppose, that I have no idea what to talk to a random stranger ABOUT.
#13 Dec 15 2010 at 2:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Western societies... they are so individualistic. We do not talk to random strangers without an agenda. We do it when there is something to gain from it, most of the time. I see older people are more likely to talk to strangers, and that is interesting. Maybe we haven't been so individualistic for that long after all.

Either way... if we aren't encouraged to socialize, we do it just like in real life.. mind our own business. Encourage us, and we will socialize as well as the Japanese do.

This game is closer to achieving this goal than many other games.. but quite not there yet. I do socialize whenever I have a reason to do so- Behest, making/joining a group, answering peoples questions in /shout, anything crafting related.. but there can be more than that. I would never go back to strictly group-based gaming because the downsides are obvious.. but I don't think what we have now is the best they can come up with. It'll be interesting to see how things develop.
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#14 Dec 15 2010 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not faulting the OP at all, but I suggest that you avoid the "can i join your ls" question altogether. In general, I find that people who ask that question typically find themselves less likely to join one. Although, I'm not a linkshell leader, I can imagine why ls leaders err on the side of caution when it comes to complete strangers. It's much better to get to know someone a little before inviting them to a ls in case that particular person does in fact turn out to a be huge *******. Also, given the fact that the current linkshell system makes it difficult to kick someone, it doesn't hurt to kind of go through an informal trial party.

What i would recommend is to go to a popular leve crystal and ask if anyone is interested in teaming up. Our linkshell parties have picked up a lot of "strangers" this way and typically if that particular person has a good personality and needs a ls, they have been invited to join ours.

#15 Dec 15 2010 at 4:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't consider myself anti-social in game, just preoccupied. I will occasionally congratulate a crafter for reaching a new rank but most of the time it's all business for me. Running and doing and running again. :)
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#16 Dec 15 2010 at 4:52 PM Rating: Good
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I talk a lot to strangers. Part of it is having something worth saying? I don't know, I rarely talk about my day or something to strangers but if I am fishing near someone else who is fishing I may - say, ask what bait they are using - and offer to let them try what I am using or what not.

I also congratulate people on ranks - or talk to people if I think they may want some of my vendor junk... but yeah I don't blame people for not responding if you just say "hi" - I would personally - but I am not sure how far I would be willing to take the conversation if it didn't seem to have any in-game point.
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#17 Dec 15 2010 at 5:07 PM Rating: Decent
Not all people are anti-social, it just seems that so many different nations play this game so it can be a language thing at times. Other just seem to think it is a race to get to 50 on all the jobs and crafting skills they forget that the game has a long way to go before it's even begun. I believe once the dust settles and we all been playing the game for 6 months or so we will see that we need others to help us do things and play as a community instead of playing solo all the time. I am in a few link shells and know alot of great and friendly people that will stop to help me out.

This game will be around a long time, and i plan on growing with it.

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#18 Dec 15 2010 at 5:08 PM Rating: Decent
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If they had a global, or trade chat system that connected through each of the major cities then you would see a lot of chat. FFXIV current system just brings on the antisocial aspect. No one in WoW or Aion talks in /say /shout, everything is in the general or trade chat. (While it brings on more nonsense talking, spam and griefing I wouldn't argue that, but we can always filter it, just like with those games). It works a little different in FFXI, cause shout have a much larger radius, while shouts in FFXIV radius is rather small.

Plus imo they need to bring back the LFP flag but enhanced, their current system is terrible.
#19 Dec 15 2010 at 5:25 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm seeing a lot of reasonable answers. I can agree with a lot of you. I can understand you guys who may not be as talkative when in groups for SP grinding, but my primary concern was with those who are in town. I don't know, maybe I'm different, but I don't find it tedious at all to talk while I craft. While you don't have a lot of time to type mid-synthesis, I'm able to make it work. And it actually makes my grinding sessions more bearable being able to joke around with some friends and keep me entertained, so I can't relate to anybody who says they don't talk while crafting. Besides that, there is always time to type something once your synth is complete.

I do agree with Voodoo Priestess though, that people are deep in the mindset of racing to 50. Yeah, it would be nice to reach that cap, especially now with the introductions of NMs and such, but what's the rush for, really? Just my opinion, but MMOs, or any game really, can be much more enjoyable when you take your time and explore everything there is to offer. Chatting is just one aspect of that. I don't know, I can't find myself to be caught up in the madness of burning myself out at a particular class and reaching the current limits when the game has only been out for a few months now. While I do want to reach 50 quickly at least in my crafting classes, I give myself breaks to do other things as well. And talking is one of 'em ^^b

Thanks for all the feedback though, guys. Even you guys who say you aren't so social in-game show some good conduct in your argument ^^ It's nice to not have any "flamers" in the thread for those of you who don't feel the way the more talkative people do. So you do have social skills after all!
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#20 Dec 15 2010 at 5:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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I can be a moody jerk and during those moments I tend to go with the "Well if you don't have anything nice to say..." approach. My silence may be seen as rude, but saying what I actually wanted to say would've really been rudeSmiley: lol. I can also be pretty talkative, but again it depends on mood and what I'm doing at the moment. It may be a time where I'm not really interested in doing a "stop & chat".

I do enjoy being social in other ways though. I like randomly helping people when I can. Even during leves when I have a good excuse not to, I've tossed people some buffs & cures. The other day during a leve I was crossing paths with someone else doing the same leve. At one point, the next spawns were in a cave and I stopped at the entrance, noticing a few bats. This other person hauls *** past me to their leve targets agrroing all the bats along the way. My darkside was thinking "Sweet, let them die while I take out my targetsSmiley: grin, but I couldn't let that happen. Cured them up and we each took down some bats and then our leve targets.

In the opposite form of that, I was soloing in Nanawa Mines yesterday and got stuck in a bad spot with 2 jumping djiggas attacking me as I fought an iron coblyn. One of my camp competitors in the area just watched as I came close to death a few times from that stupid poison move of theirs, but I came through victorious in the end. Then promptly did a "/s Nice of you to just stand there and watch on that 1! = D" They didn't respond to that either...
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#21 Dec 15 2010 at 6:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Another obvious reason could simply be they don't speak English. We are probably the minority on most servers. A substantial minority but still a minority.

There are lots of other reasons - they could be half asleep, already multi=tasking, socially inept, or just asshats in which case, why would you want to play with them anyway?

It sucks that you are getting a lack of responses but don't give up. You can also try doing a general /shout for recruitment and wait for people to come to you or why not advertise for your LS in forums?
#22 Dec 15 2010 at 6:51 PM Rating: Decent
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I wouldn't say i'm anti social but i'm also one of those people who watch anime while I play. Only time I have the game fullscreen mode is every reset to do leves. Once leves are done back to windows mode on lowest ress settings and shove the screen over just enough to see the crafting box. Then I watch anime on the other half of the screen and do everything from crafting to just running to camps, **** I've even farmed, leveled all while watching anime. Downfall of doing this is I leave the chat box on bottom left corner and I rarely pay attention to it. My main attention would be on the other side of the screen. This would easier if I had two monitors but meh I like squishing everything on my 24".

If crafting wasn't so boring and required some skill then I would pay more attention. But the way it is I'd rather craft while enjoy the time doing it by passing the time watching movies/anime/tv shows while I craft. Plus best part is I get to enjoy the two of my hobies at once gaming+anime.
#23 Dec 15 2010 at 7:00 PM Rating: Good
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I am not social. I wish I was but I'm just not. I often solo. I would prefer to party but my real life is so busy that I will often need to leave abruptly and people tend to freak out about that kind of thing. Maybe that's more FFXI tho. FFXIV people are more laid back?
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