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#1 Dec 19 2010 at 12:56 PM Rating: Sub-Default
I'm tired of hearing everyone complain without giving the game it's proper chance.
#2 Dec 19 2010 at 12:58 PM Rating: Good
I really think a game should be appealing before the 100 hour mark.


That being said I've really enjoyed the game more since the most recent patch and once I started working on rank 30 leves.

Edited, Dec 19th 2010 1:00pm by Lamnethx
#3 Dec 19 2010 at 1:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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If the game is not fun from the moment I start it up, it's a bad game. Low levels have just as much right to have fun as high levels.
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So they should design games to be un-enjoyable until people reach the part of the game you arbitrarily decide is the part they can start judging it at.

If it wasn't obvious you made a troll account I'd tell you to read and rethink what you just typed before hitting "post", but obviously you did, as it's a perfect troll post.
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#5 Dec 19 2010 at 1:16 PM Rating: Good
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If the game is not fun from the moment I start it up, it's a bad game


Although i agree everyone has a right to have fun.I don't think a game has to be great right
off the bat especially rpg's.Some of the best movies i have ever seen took awhile to get going.I see games in
very much the same light you have to build a story line before getting to a climax.
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I'm just curious, what magically changes at r35? Is there some amazing content that we've all been missing that only shows itself once you hit that level? I'm r32 right now, so apparently I'm not allowed to complain about anything because clearly I haven't given the game its proper chance, regardless of the fact that I'm physical level 45, have 7 jobs over r20, and have logged COUNTLESS hours.

Don't get me wrong, I actually enjoy the game quite a bit, but a 1-liner insipid post like this is just asking to get flamed.
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Although i agree everyone has a right to have fun.I don't think a game has to be great right
off the bat especially rpg's.Some of the best movies i have ever seen took awhile to get going.I see games in
very much the same light you have to build a story line before getting to a climax.


The climax IS the most exciting part, but that doesn't mean the stuff leading to it is boring. :)
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Maybe if you changed it to "Media shouldn't be allowed to review MMO's until they get to rank/level/___"

I think people should and do have opinions about products no matter how much time they spent as long as they did in fact spend some time.
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My question is, if you don't enjoy the game, why play? and better yet, why come to a website dedicated to fans of the game just to complain?

SE has a feedback form on their website for suggestions, use it, the rest of us don't care.
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My question is, if you don't enjoy the game, why play? and better yet, why come to a website dedicated to fans of the game just to complain?

SE has a feedback form on their website for suggestions, use it, the rest of us don't care.


SE has said multiple times that they also take feedback from fan sites as well. (Hopefully) civil discussions also serve to educate those that don't know what's wrong with the game or don't know how to fix it.
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Jefro420 wrote:
My question is, if you don't enjoy the game, why play? and better yet, why come to a website dedicated to fans of the game just to complain?

SE has a feedback form on their website for suggestions, use it, the rest of us don't care.


Really, you haven't learned the lesson about not speaking for everyone yet?

Oh wait, this is the internet, there are no lessons to learn, as there are no consequences. Prolific anonymity has just been awesome for social evolution this decade!
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Jefro420 wrote:
My question is, if you don't enjoy the game, why play? and better yet, why come to a website dedicated to fans of the game just to complain?

SE has a feedback form on their website for suggestions, use it, the rest of us don't care.


SE has said multiple times that they also take feedback from fan sites as well. (Hopefully) civil discussions also serve to educate those that don't know what's wrong with the game or don't know how to fix it.


It has also been pointed out many times that this particular forum within the ZAM network is not one a person should post in expecting it to be read by SE. We have a Feedback and Suggestions subforum for the FFXIV forums but 90% of the complaining takes place in the general forums. And then the people sh*tting up the boards here come along and crow about how their "feedback"...which SE probably never even read...is why the game is being changed. I agree that it's important to bring issues to SE's attention as I'm sure you agree it's important to do so in an intelligent manner. Sitting down and calmly explaining to your significant other why you're not happy with your relationship doesn't do anything if they're not even in the same room as you.

That's just my two cents on that particular shenanigan...

More to the OP's point, having to wait until rank 35 before things get fun or interesting in a game with a rank 50 cap is atrocious. SE is in a race against the clock. They've already lost the people (some permanently, some temporarily) who demanded awesome straight out of the box. Since then it's been a battle of attrition, and the longer it goes on without major content additions and other changes, the more it's going to hurt them.

I find it almost ironic that the OP chose to mention rank 35. I have to assume they're speaking from the point of view of someone focusing on a combat class. From a crafting point of view, rank 35 is when things start to really bog down. I've been rank 35+ armorer for over two weeks now and in that time I've come across a grand total of one rank 40 local leve. Off the top of my head, I can think of no more than 4-5 rank 35 local leves. I'm doing rank 15 leves for marks despite the fact that most of them grant 0 SP. There's no benefit whatsoever to driving the final assessment score of any given leve over 100 so I "amuse" myself trying to see how many items I have to make with a focus on Quality to hit the 100 assessment score mark and then just spam Standard on the rest to finish out the leve. Ranking up now is a case of repeating the same synth 200+ times, breathing a sigh of relief when you rank up, and then doing the same recipe 210+ times for the next rank. And then the next. And then the next. And every 3-5 ranks I get to do a different recipe.

I've had a Cavalry Haubergeon in my bazaar for the lowest price I've ever seen on my server and it has sat there since I made it a week and a half ago. There's no market for the things I'm able to make on the cutting edge of what my rank will allow because most people are trudging through the mid-ranks and rank 45+ gear is the last thing on their mind.

There's no reason to be anywhere near rank 50 right now unless ganking a half dozen faceroll NMs is your idea of endgame content. There's more in the works, but most people I know are starting to peter out. The novelty is fast wearing off and even the most optimistic are struggling to find reason to keep going. We're due for another update within the next couple of weeks and after that, SE is going to pretty much have to push new updates every month or people will continue to leave.

Edited, Dec 19th 2010 12:33pm by Aurelius
#13 Dec 19 2010 at 2:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm tired of hearing everyone complain without giving the game it's proper chance.


4 posts. check.
Bold unpopular statement. check.
Smell the troll bait and avoid it. check.
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Troll bait? I thought that was the smell of over-beaten decaying horseflesh.
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4 posts. check.
Bold unpopular statement. check.
Smell the troll bait and avoid it. check.


By posting in this thread we've all failed the last bit, might want to "uncheck" that box ^.~
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#17 Dec 19 2010 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
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Troll bait? I thought that was the smell of over-beaten decaying horseflesh.
I have been thinking about it and got a question, If you beat the death horse enough, I mean given you beat it against the ground, will it eventually be buried?

Something to think about...

OP: honestly the game doesn't change much through the ranks, I'm curious, what makes you think that rank 30+ will change people's opinion for the better?

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Grand Master Tailor SsXTricKeY wrote:
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If the game is not fun from the moment I start it up, it's a bad game


Although i agree everyone has a right to have fun.I don't think a game has to be great right
off the bat especially rpg's.Some of the best movies i have ever seen took awhile to get going.I see games in
very much the same light you have to build a story line before getting to a climax.


Apparently, you have the same problem as Square-Enix. You do not understand the difference between an offline RPG and an mmo. In an offline rpg, the story and friggin' cutscenes can carry the game for most people (unless you make it to the point of nothing but an interactive movie like that crap they called FFXIII). In an mmo, actual F-U-N things to do at every level carry the game. FFXIV does not have those things.
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Huh, and I was sitting here thinking that people have no right to be an *** just because they're about rank 35.

Ok, I can support the argument made in the post, I'm just reacting to the title. Perhaps rather than "Gotta be above such and such rank before you really can form an opinion" such a cut-off, if even necessary, should be based upon playtime. I'm not above 20, but how many people have 8 jobs at or above 15 while only playing on weekends? Have I not earned the opinion to make my own judgements on the game, positive or negative? People are going to form their opinions at the get-go because, like it or not, first impressions matter. And the problem with first impressions is you only get to make one.

Now, should someone completely decide whether to play the game or not by the first hour? No, of course not, but I don't want to hear people saying "I am more knowledgeable about how the game should be played or how the game should be viewed just because I've taken a single class further than others!" It's arrogant.
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#21 Dec 20 2010 at 12:35 AM Rating: Decent
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I have been thinking about it and got a question, If you beat the death horse enough, I mean given you beat it against the ground, will it eventually be buried?

Something to think about...


I think the question is more, how long can you beat a dead horse until it is no longer a horse?
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I have been thinking about it and got a question, If you beat the death horse enough, I mean given you beat it against the ground, will it eventually be buried?

Something to think about...


I think the question is more, how long can you beat a dead horse until it is no longer a horse?


Until the point where it becomes an overly-beaten mound of horseflesh.
#23 Dec 20 2010 at 7:32 AM Rating: Good
Actually I think if beaten enough it becomes glue.
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Actually I think if beaten enough it becomes glue.

how many and what kind of crystals/shards would you need to make an entire horse into glue?
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More to the OP's point, having to wait until rank 35 before things get fun or interesting in a game with a rank 50 cap is atrocious. SE is in a race against the clock. They've already lost the people (some permanently, some temporarily) who demanded awesome straight out of the box. Since then it's been a battle of attrition, and the longer it goes on without major content additions and other changes, the more it's going to hurt them.

I find it almost ironic that the OP chose to mention rank 35. I have to assume they're speaking from the point of view of someone focusing on a combat class. From a crafting point of view, rank 35 is when things start to really bog down. I've been rank 35+ armorer for over two weeks now and in that time I've come across a grand total of one rank 40 local leve. Off the top of my head, I can think of no more than 4-5 rank 35 local leves. I'm doing rank 15 leves for marks despite the fact that most of them grant 0 SP. There's no benefit whatsoever to driving the final assessment score of any given leve over 100 so I "amuse" myself trying to see how many items I have to make with a focus on Quality to hit the 100 assessment score mark and then just spam Standard on the rest to finish out the leve. Ranking up now is a case of repeating the same synth 200+ times, breathing a sigh of relief when you rank up, and then doing the same recipe 210+ times for the next rank. And then the next. And then the next. And every 3-5 ranks I get to do a different recipe.

I've had a Cavalry Haubergeon in my bazaar for the lowest price I've ever seen on my server and it has sat there since I made it a week and a half ago. There's no market for the things I'm able to make on the cutting edge of what my rank will allow because most people are trudging through the mid-ranks and rank 45+ gear is the last thing on their mind.

There's no reason to be anywhere near rank 50 right now unless ganking a half dozen faceroll NMs is your idea of endgame content. There's more in the works, but most people I know are starting to peter out. The novelty is fast wearing off and even the most optimistic are struggling to find reason to keep going. We're due for another update within the next couple of weeks and after that, SE is going to pretty much have to push new updates every month or people will continue to leave.

Edited, Dec 19th 2010 12:33pm by Aurelius


I can agree overall with your statement, but some things in particular...underranked people will buy your Cavalry Haubergeon if you put it up your character on the right spot and bazaar afk there for hours. Right spot = Ul'dah Main Stairs, or Gridania in front of adventures guild are the best spot on my server to afk bazaar stuff. Since I'm not staying online to just sell stuff I dont happen to do that very often, or even at all, but one time I was getting to nap a bit and just stood there with stuff on my bazaar I tried to sell over Shouts for over 2 weeks...2 hours later I came back and every single piece of my bazaar was gone...

Then...you're Rank 35+ Armor and do Rank 15 leves just for the Marks? Seriously, if you're 35+ and still are in dire need for marks, you do something wrong...not to mention you could use the "leftover" leves that you can't use for Armor, on the many subcrafts Armor needs, like Leatherworker, Weaver, Goldsmith, Carpenter...I'm 34 on botch my main crafts(ARM,BSM) and I've got 3 Trainings on ARM and 3 on BSM so far...and since I only do Armor and BSM leves that are 30, or 35, I guess I have a lower probabality of getting marks compared to you and I don't care for them at all right now...therefore I do Leatherworker Leves and even Weaver and Carpenter, if there is nothing better to get for either ARM or BSM, which is more often the case than I wish for...and I already got my first training on Leatherworker(which share the whole gear crafting trainings with Armor...so no marks wasted there)

But other than that, I can agree to the whole grinding sh*t...its just boring and tedious...I didn't start grinding on Iron Visors yet, but to think thats the recipe most people grind up to 50...I couldn't imagine anything more boring...but I'm not grinding the sh*t out of me...so I'm not burned out as fast as others...so I don't mind it that much.


edit: And if you(not you Aurelius, people in general) complain about the game being ******, or boring or lacking content or w/e your reason is to complain, get yourself some ******* In-game pals to play with, cause thats where the fun is...playing with others...in the end its an MMO...not a Single player RPG...if you want to play solo all the time, get yourself an offline game...
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Edited, Dec 20th 2010 2:37pm by Shezard
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This is a troll horse so if you stop beating it then it just regenerates into a new troll horse.

We must burn the troll horse.

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Actually I think if beaten enough it becomes glue.

how many and what kind of crystals/shards would you need to make an entire horse into glue?


I'd assume a wind crystal to cut it up, at which point you'd probably get a stack of each type of ingredient for glue. Then probably 2-4 fire and water shards per synth to make the glue. So 1 crystal, and between 24-48 shards. Ending with 144 horse glues.
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