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#1 Dec 20 2010 at 3:10 PM Rating: Good
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Hey everyone, I was just looking for a more recent review about the game (not one that spends half of it talking about launch problems--every game has those). My PC is way too weak to run it (I can't even open the Benchmark >.<) so I'll be playing on the PS3. I'll likely at least try the game regardless--I actually liked XI.

But I would still like to keep up with news and such. I looked through the Zam links on the main page, as well as the FaQ, but didn't see anything that seemed like it was what I wanted.

Is there a review/editorial/article/blog/whatever someone could link me that talks more about the state of the game now and where it seems to be going?

Thanks.
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#2 Dec 20 2010 at 3:17 PM Rating: Good
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You most likely won't get one until PS3 release... And it will be full of venom from almost every source no matter how good the game is. The print media for games is crap these days, they've all jumped on the hate bandwagon for multiple franchises yet spit praise for thoughtful and beneficial titles like Madden and Call of Duty...

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#3 Dec 20 2010 at 3:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is the official FFXIV site:
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/index.html

It does not have a review for FFXIV, but you can see upcoming updates and news pertaining to FFXIV.
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#4 Dec 20 2010 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
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Reviews usually come for games right at the release, and they're meant to review the games as they come out. It's very likely that Final Fantasy XIV will get re-reviewed for it's PlayStation 3 debut, but the only reviews for the game in its current state you can probably find now are those from posters on forums like these or from bloggers.

Edited, Dec 20th 2010 1:20pm by UltKnightGrover
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#5 Dec 20 2010 at 3:27 PM Rating: Good
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PerrinofSylph wrote:
You most likely won't get one until PS3 release... And it will be full of venom from almost every source no matter how good the game is. The print media for games is crap these days, they've all jumped on the hate bandwagon for multiple franchises yet spit praise for thoughtful and beneficial titles like Madden and Call of Duty...

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Well, you know what they say, money talks..or in this case, the amount of money slid under the table dictates the manner of talking done by professional "reviewers." If you want honest reviews, don't read magazines or visit websites that are funded by gaming companies. The only way to see if a game is any fun nowadays is to rent, try, or buy it, sadly, due to all the shady dealings done in the background regarding product promotion. The same applies to just about every product on the American market, to be honest, be it electronics, food, or a Vegas "escort."

Edit, typo..spelled about wrong.



Edited, Dec 20th 2010 3:38pm by Uryuu
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or a Vegas "escort."


Something you want to tell us?

Seriously though, I understand certain magazines caving in... but recently it seems that almost all of them are doing it these days. The only sources I truly trust anymore are bloggers who do journals to review a game, and at the end I don't even trust their score, but often times the journal gives me an idea if I want to try a game I was on the fence about.
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#7 Dec 20 2010 at 3:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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That's the idea... never trust someone whose job it is to make sure their magazine does well. Just imagine what would happen if GameInformer were to give honest reviews about Halo, Call of Duty, and Guitar Hero games. Not only would the magazine go under, but there would be a huge overstock of games that were once "popular" but are actually no different from every other game in their genre.

It's never good business to disagree with what the majority of your readers have been brainwashed into believing...

Edited, Dec 20th 2010 3:45pm by Uryuu
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Thanks, I added the official site to my bookmarks--I'll be sure to check it every so often.
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#9 Dec 20 2010 at 5:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, FFXIV will get bad reviews because the magazines are out to get them so they can pump up hype on Call of Duty instead. It has nothing to do with the fact that FFXIV is a steaming pile of crap.
#10 Dec 20 2010 at 6:08 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah I lost my faith in commercial game review websites. There are some independent website of avid videogamers collaborating and review videogames, like BlisteredThumbs, but their manpower is limited so you won't see review of every game there. Still worth checking out though.
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AFAIK MMMORPG.com is still withholding review and wait until FFXIV charge subscription to release a proper review, you may want to look forward to it? Seems to be potentially less biased.
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Yeah I lost my faith in commercial game review websites. There are some independent website of avid videogamers collaborating and review videogames, like BlisteredThumbs, but their manpower is limited so you won't see review of every game there. Still worth checking out though.
Yes, because every major reviewer is so heavily greased by the game designers that they don't actually walk, they simply slide along the ground on a wave of money...

There are noted exceptions to the rule where a gaming company has obviously shoved such a large amount of cash up the nether regions of a reviewer that when they speak, hundred dollar bills fly out, but for everyone like that, there's a Jeff Gerstmann out there as well.

Stop trying to pretend the pile of sh*t you wade in isn't a pile of sh*t. Granted, they've made improvements, and still are, but that does not mean that other games that, shock and surprised, released and worked from the start are somehow crap.

I played COD: Black Ops, and it's a blast! Now, if it had launched with, say, an inability to pick up guns from the ground, and required you to press start and enter a menu to change between weapons, and lagged like a ***** (which it did and still does on PS3), I'd likely burn it over the same fire I roast FFXIV with.

The game launched with critical missing pieces, and only NOW is putting them in place. I was super excited for this game after the Beta, thinking that the retail had all the missing answers to the questions. I mean, why not, LOTR:O did. When it launched, it was awesome, much better than the Beta was. SE failed to get there, and still has, in my view, a very long, rough, and heavily ruined road to go before it becomes even passably respectable. And unfortunately, in gaming, that's a sure way to kill a game.

You get one shot to impress a gamer. You have from the time they put the disk in till about the 5 hour mark to make them love or hate your creation. Longer than that, and your game will get panned (See FFXIII reviews). And for an MMO, that curve is even more brutal. You have the 800 lbs Gorilla with its new bunch of bananas ready to lure anyone tired of JRPG complexity to go to, not to mention having a world of competitors (EVE, Aion, FFXI), including some free ones (Flyff, LOTR:O) that are well established with fully working systems and very strong reviews and followings.

I doubt the review will change much now. Reviewers bit the apple, and found it rotten. It will take a lot for them to come in for another taste. I would highly doubt that FFXIV will get re-reviewed by most major outlets, and will only get a small blurb if it does, unless SE can somehow pull of a miraculous rebuilding of their PC subscriber base.

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#13 Dec 20 2010 at 7:07 PM Rating: Default
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Damm Reviewers!! And their hate for this Masterpiece!!!
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#14 Dec 20 2010 at 7:09 PM Rating: Good
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And this is why they didn't release FFXI worldwide at first. If you haven't noticed, SE MMORPGS (I have played all 3 of them) go like this: beta, fix bugs, launch and sell boxes, fix bugs, don't charge for awhile, fix more bugs, try to make game fun, still don't charge.
If game is now fun and has very few or no bugs, now charge. If it is not up to par, make it ftp (Fantasy Earth Zero) or repeat previous steps until it is. I personally prefer their method to the "shove game out door, charge people, laugh all the way to the bank for a few months then fix it or trash it" strategy of the western world (aside from Turbine, they do it right from the get-go.)

Sadly, they expected the rest of the world to be as patient, calm, polite, and understanding as their localized market usually is. This...didn't work out well.

Well..make that 3 of 4 of their MMOs. I think the other one is Asia-only.



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#15 Dec 20 2010 at 11:26 PM Rating: Good
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Really, the thing that strikes me as weird is why they didn't at least wait for the PS3 release, if the game was as atrociously incomplete as I've heard. I mean, the dev teams were clearly doing a ton more than porting the game. They could have given a far more comprehensive product at release, and have done so to a much larger market (especially
considering how high the PC requirements are).

It just seems so awkward to me. I'm sure they had a reason--I just have no clue what it was.

The other thing that strikes me as odd was the lack of lower-level content. Normally, MMOs launch with practically nothing at higher levels (or at least cap), but with lower levels very fleshed out, since those are what everyone will be experiencing at release. Of course, my testimony is hearsay, but everyone I've heard from said that there were very limited options early on, and that the game had a steep learning curve with little to no in game help.

Most MMOs make sure that the game teaches you how to play, and that you don't run out of content unless you are a huge outlier when it comes to level.

But I still give SE credit for deciding not to make another WoW clone. It might never be as good, but at least it is its own game. This is something I'll give them credit for with regards to most of their games. Even if not all their ideas are good ones, at least they take risks in game design.
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#16 Dec 20 2010 at 11:31 PM Rating: Good
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The reason they reviewed it was because they were asked not to by SE for the exact reasons you mentioned. Half of the reviews were merely copy-pasted complaints taken directly from forums without even giving credit to the original authors. You know, plagiarism. PCGamer had the worst example of a plagiarized review article and because of it I will never read their magazine again.
#17 Dec 20 2010 at 11:50 PM Rating: Default
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If you want honest reviews, don't read magazines or visit websites that are funded by gaming companies.

So, they were lying when they said that FFXIV was an unfun mess when they reviewed it? 'Cause, the community here sure seemed to agree with them.
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Really, the thing that strikes me as weird is why they didn't at least wait for the PS3 release, if the game was as atrociously incomplete as I've heard.

Cataclysm, I'd imagine, and just generally to catch the holidays. It seems like a terrible idea to release the game in hindsight, but obviously at the time SE thought it would be okay... somehow...

I mean, this is the same company that completely ignored the roar of feedback over the beta. They seem to have honestly thought they had a decent product.
#18 Dec 21 2010 at 1:01 AM Rating: Good
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I suppose it's possible they actually expected to have a massive patch up for download the day of launch. But oh well, what's done is done. If they work hard, the PS3 release will be a second chance for them to catch up a lot of lost ground.

An MMO isn't made by how popular it is at launch--it's made by being able to attract and keep new subscribers. If they invest the money intelligently, they can make a great game.

I mean, it's logical to consider WoW when talking about MMOs nowadays. But I played WoW at launch. It was NOTHING like how it is now. The grinds were long and monotonous, the quests were often tedious, etc. Blizz was intelligent and listened to their audience and advertised--that's why they succeeded. Of course, the fact that the game could run on lower end systems helped a lot. XIV won't be able to attract the truly casual audience until the average computer catches up to its reqs. You can play WoW on a cheap laptop (on low settings, but you can still do most content).

It seems like they've been responding to customer complaints, so there's still hope.
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#19 Dec 21 2010 at 1:41 AM Rating: Good
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This game was released too early and still doesn't have enough content.

However, the reviews of it were ridiculous.
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