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#1 Dec 22 2010 at 3:21 AM Rating: Decent
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This topic is simple because it hasn't come up in quite some time now and I wanna make sure SE sees it. I would put it in the feedback forums but no one visits them so maybe the mods can move it later. So, do you want a party seek system similar to FFXI's and why? lets keep it civil and professional.....go!

Do you want a party seek system similar to FFXI's?
yes:69 (90.8%)
no :7 (9.2%)
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#2 Dec 22 2010 at 3:25 AM Rating: Default
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can we go ahead and add a "i dont care" button too? not trying to be snarky or anything but it really doesnt bother me much. if they change it great, if they dont well then thats great too i guess.
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#3Aujade, Posted: Dec 22 2010 at 3:46 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What's your problem sir? So many postings here of many many people complaining about ffxiv is only solo grind and parties rarely happen and you don't care? Maybe you should play gameboy then if you want to play solo.
#4 Dec 22 2010 at 4:19 AM Rating: Good
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I guess I'm the only one who seems to have voted no.

I would like to see something a little different than FFXI's Party Seek function.

FFXIV has lots of potential with Autogrouping. (Behest, Leves, etc), and I don't think FFXI's party invite system would translate over very well. (How can you /sea or /sea all in a seamless zone world?) I would like to see something in the Adventurer's Guild as like a haven to build parties or something. FFXIV has potential for partying, but I don't think it needs XI's rudimentary system (in my opinion).

Edited, Dec 22nd 2010 2:21am by UltKnightGrover
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#5 Dec 22 2010 at 4:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Aujade wrote:
Elamille wrote:
can we go ahead and add a "i dont care" button too? not trying to be snarky or anything but it really doesnt bother me much. if they change it great, if they dont well then thats great too i guess.



What's your problem sir? So many postings here of many many people complaining about ffxiv is only solo grind and parties rarely happen and you don't care? Maybe you should play gameboy then if you want to play solo.

For party find a better search system (and the one of ffxi was very good) would be absolutely important.


i didnt say i dont want to party, i said i dont care about the seek party interface in game. i find my parties the old fashioned way, through word of mouth in linkshell chat and in cities. i enjoy partying and do it as often as possible, it just doesnt matter too much to me if they change the seek party function in game.
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#6 Dec 22 2010 at 4:35 AM Rating: Decent
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A party seek function is one of the mandatory feature to group people in game. I want to get invited into party, and not me being the leader, the current system doesn't allow that.

For the time being, if I wanna be search and invite into parties, i'll start a recruitment so others can look me up,
set the rank requirement to 0-50 so my search will come up for everyone in every level range.
in the recruitment comment I'll put my rank, class and a message asking for a invite instead of asking people to join me. also a put "/pcmd add My Name" so party leader can invite me anywhere in the world.
is also nice to include info on which teleport you have or don't have in the message.

I know I am using the party recruitment function wrong, but I have no choice atm.
I want an invite, I don't want to be the leader, this is the only thing I can do now.

Please SE, give us a flag up option and allow party leader to search for members, instead of members looking for a leader. Party invite are both ways, leader have a choice to pick their members as well. Give us a player,rank,class, search a cross the world.

Edited, Dec 22nd 2010 3:26am by Nyariko
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#7 Dec 22 2010 at 8:04 AM Rating: Good
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As soon as partying is more beneficial then I see this as a must - anything to make getting a party more easily will be a huge bonus imo.

However, as it currently stands, most people are duoing or trioing with friends / ls pals. It really is not a major concern at the moment.

Partying takes care of itself at behest and no one is ever excluded - Yes I have seen people get kicked for attacking mobs without a red name. But I can understand that as it wastes SP and people need to learn only attack one group at a time.

I actually really like the current open party system, and we were getting great results for Eft / Raptor parties pre SP change. Personally though, I think that auto translate text should be able to be used in the party description, currently it cannot. This to me is very odd as you can only party with people (or advertise the party intentions) with people who understand your language. As an auto translator exists I find it a bit odd to only have normal text in the description field.
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#8 Dec 22 2010 at 8:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Define "similar".

Do we need a new party search system? Yes. Do we need FFXI's? No. FFXI's search was pretty basic, literally just flagging yourself as "searchable" and letting you put in a short three line message. We need something more feature rich, we need to be able to seek as multiple jobs simultaneously. We need to be able to seek items (that we don't already own), missions, instances, etc. simultaneously. We need to be able to advertise our crafting expertise to people looking for a custom synthesis.

Do I want to see a search function like FFXI? No. I want something better.
#9 Dec 22 2010 at 5:56 PM Rating: Good
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Yea I don't mean hair to hair exactly like FFXI's but something along the same lines - something that allows us to seek party and allows someone, from anywhere around the world, to invite us into a party. This can work hand in hand with the recruitment system too, they don't need to get rid of that, it would just make putting together a party a lot faster.
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#10 Dec 22 2010 at 6:30 PM Rating: Good
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Man, I would kill to have a traditional FFXI style party right now... I miss it so much! I missed how everyone had different roles in a group. Hate to go off topic but now it seems like everyone is a clone copy of each other thanks to the not so great armory system.
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#11 Dec 22 2010 at 6:31 PM Rating: Good
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Something like:

Check Boxes/Radio Buttons:
[] Seek Battle Party
[] Seek Crafting Orders
[] Seek Gathering Work

Then when you check one of the above, it expands the menu a little.

[X] Seek Battle Party (will show all non-level 1 jobs)
[] Pugilist (5) [] Lancer (30)
[] Conjurer (20)

[] Seek Crafting Orders
[] Seek Gathering Work

Level Preference : [ ] - [ ]
Party Goal: [ Dropdown: leves, quests, missions, SP gain, any ]
Zone Preference [ ]

etc?

Edited, Dec 23rd 2010 12:34am by shinichoco
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#12 Dec 22 2010 at 6:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Zalim the Charming wrote:
Man, I would kill to have a traditional FFXI style party right now... I miss it so much! I missed how everyone had different roles in a group. Hate to go off topic but now it seems like everyone is a clone copy of each other thanks to the not so great armory system.


Well its because no one has commited to learning it yet. There are some LSs with rank 50s killing NMs and you should see how awesome they play together. They position themselves properly, they use decapitation techniques and BRs and the whole 9 yards but no one is doing this yet pre-NMs probably because most mobs go down fairly easily.
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#13 Dec 22 2010 at 6:38 PM Rating: Good
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I'd like to see something similar to WoW's dungeon finder. After years of LFP in FFXI and such low population numbers on the servers right now, some kind of instanced cross server party search would be great.
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#14 Dec 22 2010 at 6:52 PM Rating: Good
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I voted no.

This is another short sighted argument.

The party search (which is what it is) allows you to join parties when parties are happening. It's not much different than the XI system except that it's more inclusive rather than exclusive.

XI's system - 80% of the community puts up a "I want a party" flag. Some bold, intrepid adventurer craving some experience (and a headache) gathers hand-picked individuals together. Perhaps he only wants 1 White Mage so he selects the first one on the list, works his way down until one replies (probably because others fell asleep waiting).

XIV's system - 20% of the community puts up an "I'm starting a party, these are the jobs I need!" flag and the other 80% can check it at their leisure. First come, first serve. You snooze, you lose (still).

I'd be better if 80% of the community (upon searching for a party and finding 0 actively recruiting) slapped up the Recruit so the other 100% of people "looking for group" could find said group and go!

I dunno. I think XIV's system is better than XI's (which I admit can be due to personal preference - I'm not trying to convince YOU it's better, just saying: I think it's better). I think if people actually used it (rather than cried about it) they'd find it slapped together parties a heck of a lot faster than they were used to in XI.

^This was true before Nov25 for me. I would search a party. See one in Cassiopeia. Join it. Go. Alternative: I would NOT see one. I'd start recruiting an open recruit billet and by the time I walked from Linsa Lominsa to Cassi, I'd have 5 members and we'd be able to start right away. That is a better experience (to me) than XI. Feel free to disagree, though. I don't mind.

The biggest problem to this situation is WHO WANTS TO PARTY? now. No one really. When solo play and duo are higher skill point yield than 5-man team, why bother? Don't you have two friends you can slap together and go duo/trio? If not, I bet most people do. I can see why (said people) would feel left out.

Once party play becomes a bigger incentive to players, I assume/hope more players will appreciate this system over the other. To be honest/fair I haven't even done a Search for a Party (or Recruitment for members) since about Nov 27 when I realized I was getting nowhere. It may already be more lively now that people know how best to grind given the current state of SP gain in XIV.

Personally, I duo/trio free-grind and quadro leves. Don't have much use for random pick up members anymore (sadly).
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#15 Dec 22 2010 at 11:29 PM Rating: Default
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The party search already in game isnt it?

check party menu. btw no one use it lol.
#16 Dec 22 2010 at 11:40 PM Rating: Decent
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How about we just add FFXI's flag ability to this system?

If you people would learn how to use it this system is infinitely better then putting up a flag and waiting for someone to put six people together. You can put up a recruitment notice with exactly what jobs you're looking for and exact amount which players can add themselves too automatically if they match the requirements. Likewise you can search for specific parties in specific area's looking for members. I don't remember FFXI's system being nearly this good. Then again people actually used the system in XI.
#17 Dec 22 2010 at 11:44 PM Rating: Good
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(How can you /sea or /sea all in a seamless zone world?)


You could search by zone, the same way maps work now; also /sea all searched for everyone... so in FFXIV it could also search for everyone. I see no problems whatsoever with such a system's functionality.
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#18 Dec 22 2010 at 11:47 PM Rating: Decent
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The party search already in game isnt it?

check party menu. btw no one use it lol.


Party search in this game requires you to be leader, meaning you recruit people for a certain task (which by the way is limited in that regard, we have 3 choices, Local Levesquests, Regional Levequests and Quests and who is going to party for local leves? they should add some more choices like Skillpoints Party and Behest Party for example). We want, on top of this, the ability to seek for a party - maybe they can even automate the process in some cases. For example, say someone is recruiting for a party and he requires a rank 15 Archer...I come along sometime later and I put up my party seek flag, I am a rank 15 Archer so I match the criteria, therefore it can automatically insert me in said party. The criteria would be decided by you and the person recruiting, so I, as the seeker, can choose to be looking for a Skillpoints party around Camp Bloodshore; if some recruitment criteria matches mine the game can automatically insert me into said party and on top of that should prompt me to teleport to said area (for free, no anima)...honestly how awesome would that be??

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I feel the system they have right now is a bit too rigid. I prefer the ability to write out what I want a party for, and add any details that way. The downside of this, is people browsing presumably, will only see you as the class you are on at the moment.

It'd be nice to be able to set a LFP message for each class you have, but that would be a lot of spam, plus you'd have people LFP on like 4 classes, but keep turning down some potential groups cause they still have their heart set on grouping with another.
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Party search in this game requires you to be leader, meaning you recruit people for a certain task (which by the way is limited in that regard, we have 3 choices, Local Levesquests, Regional Levequests and Quests and who is going to party for local leves? they should add some more choices like Skillpoints Party and Behest Party for example). We want, on top of this, the ability to seek for a party - maybe they can even automate the process in some cases. For example, say someone is recruiting for a party and he requires a rank 15 Archer...I come along sometime later and I put up my party seek flag, I am a rank 15 Archer so I match the criteria, therefore it can automatically insert me in said party. The criteria would be decided by you and the person recruiting, so I, as the seeker, can choose to be looking for a Skillpoints party around Camp Bloodshore; if some recruitment criteria matches mine the game can automatically insert me into said party and on top of that should prompt me to teleport to said area (for free, no anima)...honestly how awesome would that be??


or........

it requires you to search out a party that needs you and then join it.

Honestly the two things I infer from this argument are as follows (and maybe I'm way off base here)

1) I like old systems because I know how to use them and they're better.

2) I like to put up my seek flag and watch YouTube videos (and post them to my LS who don't care) because I'm lazy and like standing in town for 6 hours rather than just starting a ******* party.

This isn't a personal attack. This is just (an exaggerated) opinion based on what I'm reading.

As I said, you don't have to think the current system is better (although, I do, cause I like parties forming in 20 minutes rather than 2-12 hours) and if you want a better one then by all means promote one.

Really, how hard is it to set up a Recruitment? You click a button. Add some jobs you want....

AND WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!! just like putting up a "Invite Me" flag.


Gah. I'm taking crazy pills. (Clearly, cause I play XIV and like it).

PS: Admit the "Reason" criteria is silly, but hey you can put a message saying "haha just kidding we're grinding SP. Please join." badaboom.
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#21 Dec 23 2010 at 12:15 AM Rating: Good
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.I come along sometime later and I put up my party seek flag, I am a rank 15 Archer so I match the criteria, therefore it can automatically insert me in said party.


Like honestly man (bordering on personal attack for a moment)

Is this a joke?

The system already does this!!! only instead of automatically joining you into a party, you click "Join" on the f&kng screen. You can't push two buttons sequentially to join a party on your own? You'd like to push 1 button that says "Hey I'm ready to party!" and the game just puts you in one without that (god forbid) extra button of pushing Join?

Have you ever used this system before complaining about it?

/end personal attack

Ok back to being semi-cordial. Listen to what you're saying. Also - wait for partying to be viable. There aren't people making parties for you to join because partying is stupid right now. That's SE's fault, not yours or mine or the party search system. Just hang in there. It will work itself out (I hope).

Until then I hope you can find some kind of enjoyable alternative, or continue to push for a system that is actually better (like auto-grouping people by tapping into their brain waves and knowing what they want before they even load FFXIV on the screen) <--haha I kid.

In all seriousness, I'm not "worked up" and I'm not trying to single you out. Please take this with good humor. I'm just trying to express (in a douchey yet hopefully amusing way) the system you're asking for already exists.

Edited, Dec 23rd 2010 1:16am by Kirutaru
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#22 Dec 23 2010 at 12:22 AM Rating: Good
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I feel the system they have right now is a bit too rigid. I prefer the ability to write out what I want a party for, and add any details that way. The downside of this, is people browsing presumably, will only see you as the class you are on at the moment.

It'd be nice to be able to set a LFP message for each class you have, but that would be a lot of spam, plus you'd have people LFP on like 4 classes, but keep turning down some potential groups cause they still have their heart set on grouping with another.


This is exactly why I said the "old" system is exclusive rather than inclusive.

Current system: You can search for parties for each and every job you have leveled. Someone looking for Thaum, but you're on Conj!? No worries (without even switching!) you can look for all parties searching for Thaum - then join them (without even asking!)

Inclusive vs Exclusive System

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#23 Dec 23 2010 at 1:16 AM Rating: Good
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1) I like old systems because I know how to use them and they're better.

2) I like to put up my seek flag and watch YouTube videos (and post them to my LS who don't care) because I'm lazy and like standing in town for 6 hours rather than just starting a ******* party.

This isn't a personal attack. This is just (an exaggerated) opinion based on what I'm reading.


For you to start a party you need people seeking. Right now, everybody is a party leader. I understand that the recruit system is great if people are using it but no one is...atleast not North American players so where is the harm in giving us both? I can put up a recruitment and while I wait for randoms to join I can look around for people seeking too. No harm done.

EDIT: although you might have a point...and now thinking about it I guess giving people the ability to seek party might turn around to bite us recruiters since they'll just seek and not bother looking for recruitments....hmm ok, I'll wait for better party mechanics/SP and we'll see where this goes. Don't worry though I'm enjoying the game, just wanna party more...Behests are the only parties i get into and they're just crazy zergfests, barely any (if even barely) teamwork.

Edited, Dec 23rd 2010 2:19am by SolidMack
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For you to start a party you need people seeking. Right now, everybody is a party leader. I understand that the recruit system is great if people are using it but no one is...atleast not North American players so where is the harm in giving us both? I can put up a recruitment and while I wait for randoms to join I can look around for people seeking too. No harm done.

EDIT: although you might have a point...and now thinking about it I guess giving people the ability to seek party might turn around to bite us recruiters since they'll just seek and not bother looking for recruitments....hmm ok, I'll wait for better party mechanics/SP and we'll see where this goes. Don't worry though I'm enjoying the game, just wanna party more...Behests are the only parties i get into and they're just crazy zergfests, barely any (if even barely) teamwork.


Thank you for not being offended. I was just trying to be silly in a kind of jerky way.

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When the Party search was being used (Before Nov25 and admittedly primarily by JP players) I would log on, click "Search" (pick the job I want to SP) and if a party showed up I would join it. Took 2 minutes.

If a party did not show up I'd set out with my wife to duo, throw up a recruitment (open recruit any level; specifics would obviously take longer) and before we even got to our camp (Cassiopeia) I'd have 3 or 4 other members and up to 10-12 within an hour.

Right now there's no reason to party so I don't search for or recruit for parties. I'd really say give it a fair assessment when people are partying a lot more. It's correct that people are just gathering 1-2 friends and going out to grind in small groups.

(This is one of the reasons I miss the old SP system because I liked gathering in big groups and fighting difficult monsters).

^I put that in parentheses cause I don't plan to defend that (my) opinion or derail the topic which is about the search system.
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Old SP system aside, when they fix the new SP system and a fix is coming for sure (I'm sure the hold up has to do with them not wanting people to level too fast right now, I can wait), if they stick with the party recruit system they atleast need to give us more options under "purpose"; as I said earlier, right now we can make parties for "Local leves", "Regional" and "Quests"...they should expand that and make it for "SP parties" and "Behest" or "Hamlet Defense" or whatever else they have, and let us filter them out as someone seeking a party (filter by purpose, by level, whatever), I think that would be good.
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The real funny thing about that (what you just said) is

80% of Quests in game (100% of the ones I've done) require you to be solo!

LOL WHAT?

Quests which I have to do solo over "Exp Grind?"
Come on, now, SE. Let's be serious.
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