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#1 Dec 26 2010 at 2:11 PM Rating: Default
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OK I came i saw I conquered I found the game to be horrible in all the ways we all stated before the last 2 big patches. How is it doing since the patches. Please i don't need biased opinions or " this game was great all along and it is just getting better!" blind crap. This game sucked I am trying to see if it is even worth updating.
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#2 Dec 26 2010 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
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Ok I'll bite:

The game is coming along very nicely, and I think after the next 3 months of updates the game will really be incredible.

After reading your comments though, I'd probably say that you would still think the game sucked. Since you didn't want to hear my biased opinions but still felt yours should be viewed I'll say what I really believe:

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#3 Dec 26 2010 at 2:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's coming along slowly, but solidly. It's absolutely not perfect, but in my personal opinion it's probably only one more major update away from a place that would have been appropriate for a retail launch. I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it "good," but it's undeniably much "better." The UI fix alone made a world of difference.
#4 Dec 26 2010 at 2:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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How is it doing since the patches


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Please i don't need biased opinions

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Let's see... no opinions...
The game is functioning on servers onto which players connect.
There have been three major patches including the 11-25 patch.
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#5 Dec 26 2010 at 2:45 PM Rating: Good
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Avoid it for now. The improvements are coming, but they are painfully slow and in most cases just another convoluted miserable way to punish us for playing. (Sorry, let a little bit of opinion slide in there). If you weren't enjoying the game at release you won't now. I'd wait until at least PS3 release, or maybe even first expansion. That said, they are trying, they are listening, and they aren't charging. So in the mean time I keep my fingers crossed, try to stay on par with my LS where my levels are concerned and hope the game comes around at some point

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#6 Dec 26 2010 at 2:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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BriktheImmortal wrote:
OK I came i saw I conquered I found the game to be horrible in all the ways we all stated before the last 2 big patches. How is it doing since the patches. Please i don't need biased opinions or " this game was great all along and it is just getting better!" blind crap. This game sucked I am trying to see if it is even worth updating.


They fixed [almost] all the annoyances that forbid people from enjoying the game. Now for the game part? There's no content. Its a beautiful functioning empty world.
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#7 Dec 26 2010 at 3:32 PM Rating: Default
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Everyone who isn't a SE white knight left the game. You probably won't get any objective opinions here.
#8 Dec 26 2010 at 3:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Like others have said, The functionality of the game has been greatly increased. Menus respond quickly, battle is smooth, inventory is sortable, equipping gear is much easier (only shows gear appropriate for selected slot) weapon wear is now shown as a 100% and has a graphic icon representing it's durability, Market wards are searchable to an extent. ranks 1-20~30 are easy and fast.

What still needs to happen is: Content content content. Currently you'll still be doing guildleves and the quest/story missions but things really bog down post rank 30 since SP doesn't seem to scale evenly after rank 20. The road map for the first 2011 update has been posted and is also viewable on the lodestone. I think with that next update the game will be much more improved and is the content that shoudl have been available during launch.

It seems you're biased to disliking the game already, and honestly you won't like it currently.

However, You aren't charged any fees until SE feels the game is acceptable to it's player base why not just patch up and see for yourself? You can get a million other peoples opinions on something but the one that only matters is your own.
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#9 Dec 26 2010 at 7:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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It seems you're biased to disliking the game already, and honestly you won't like it currently.

However, you aren't charged any fees until SE feels the game is acceptable to its player base why not just patch up and see for yourself? You can get a million other peoples opinions on something but the one that only matters is your own.


This, and this.
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#10 Dec 26 2010 at 9:34 PM Rating: Good
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its improving for those who were willing to stick with it anyways. Lets hope that the early 2011 (I believe i did hear January) patch will do something for those who aren't interested in playing it in its current state, I think that any longer than that, and it'll be written off.

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BriktheImmortal wrote:
OK I came i saw I conquered I found the game to be horrible in all the ways we all stated before the last 2 big patches. How is it doing since the patches. Please i don't need biased opinions or " this game was great all along and it is just getting better!" blind crap. This game sucked I am trying to see if it is even worth updating.


Why's my opinion biased if I don't think this game is utter trash? Oh well... *sadly walks away to go play*
#12 Dec 26 2010 at 9:49 PM Rating: Default
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Of the 500 english speaking people who still play the game daily over 50% think the game is coming along great!
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#13 Dec 26 2010 at 9:59 PM Rating: Decent
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After reading your comments though, I'd probably say that you would still think the game sucked. Since you didn't want to hear my biased opinions but still felt yours should be viewed I'll say what I really believe:


I'm going to preface this by explaining that I'm not a hater; I want to see this game survive and flourish. I am however not impressed at all with SE's performance thus far on FFXIV. I rest in the middle, hopeful but currently discontent. Perhaps that makes me biased as well, but if my biased lies anywhere, it's actually with giving SE time to get their act together, because I see a great deal of potential in this game.

That being said, I think it's patently unfair to call the OP biased when it is essentially the view taken by the public, the media and the company that produced the game that FFXIV was not worth paying for the subscription fee in the state it was released. The players by in large gave the game a thumbs down, even a good number of the few who have stuck around. The press has had little but bad things to say about the game. The project leader has stepped down as a result of the game's poor quality, and the company has waived subscription fees until the game can be presented in a format worth paying for. These represent the three most important opinions in the industry: the game makers (who will usually have a glowing opinion of their own game, but since SE has admitted the game is not up to the standards of the playing and paying public, we can lend extra gravity to this opinion), the media (who often individually have strong biases, but you can gain a general idea of a game's pros and cons by broadening your pool of sources), and the players/customers, who have ultimately the most important voice of all (the players have found a great deal to lacking in this game, with precious little to rave about). Just as important, from a business standpoint, the investors have obviously not been happy with the game's performance, making the title, thus far, a perfecta of failure on SE's part.

Granted, the OP has a harsh view of the game to begin with (based on his experiences as a player, mind you, and not because he's some faceless SE-hater intent on whining), but you can't argue in any way, shape or form that his criticism wasn't earned by FFXIV's poor performance out of the gate. To do so is indeed a blind and biased act, given the quality of the game as presented at launch. Such an argument voices the opinion of the loyal minority (those loyal fans who have an emotional investment, to whatever degree, in seeing this game prosper), as opposed to the ambivalent majority (who judge the game based on it's merits first and foremost, and franchise loyalties second). Yes, there is also a minority of trolls who trash the game because they have an SE shaped chip on their shoulder, but that is a small portion of the people obviously dissatisfied with the game at launch.

You can try to cast the critics as the ones peddling their prejudices, but that's simply not the case with this game. SE made numerous, critical errors in their release of FFXIV, and it takes more effort at present to find reasons to keep playing than it does to find reasons to steer clear of the game (and most of the reasons to stick around are predicated on SE's ability to get things right the second time around, which, admittedly, they seem so far to be moving in the right direction on).

That's what the OP was asking, if the game has changed enough to make it worthwhile to play. Obviously, it's his opinion that the game was not worth playing before. That's his opinion, yes, but it's also the opinion of Square Enix, enough of the player base to have SE worried, and most of the game reviewers, which has SE scrambling. That makes it not so much a bias as an honest perception of the situation. The OP is not looking for the opinion that the game was fine all the while, because that opinion simply doesn't resonate with the reality that FFXIV now faces. If it was fine all along, no one would have had to have stepped down, SE would not be granting free months of play, and there would have been no formal apology to the players. All of these things happened, indicating that, yes indeed, the game was not tenable at release.

Edited, Dec 26th 2010 10:00pm by Gaile
#14 Dec 26 2010 at 10:05 PM Rating: Decent
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The OP is not looking for the opinion that the game was fine all the while, because that opinion simply doesn't resonate with the reality that FFXIV now faces.


While your post is eloquently written and I do agree with what you have written, this still does not change the fact that the OP rejects "biased opinions" and "blind crap" from those who enjoy the game simply because he doesn't agree. While those opinions obviously do not represent the majority, they still have merit, and therefore it leaves me disheartened to see said opinions shut out for whatever reason.

Edited, Dec 26th 2010 11:43pm by ThePacster
#15 Dec 26 2010 at 10:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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I won't base this post on my opinion, but I will base it on your opinion.

You seem to have hated the game at launch and didn't stick around to see the November-December patches. While the game is functional now as opposed to two months ago where it was barely playable, the lack of content due to S-E fixing said functionality will most likely drive you away once more.

Come back after the first version update of 2011 and then update and see if things are to your liking then.
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#16 Dec 26 2010 at 10:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I logged in to check out the market update after not playing since the day of the November version update.

Logged back out after seeing exactly how the search function works, too disappointed. Not doing it for me right now. The lack of functionality in the market was one of the biggest turnoffs of the game for me (though it had many other problems) and the update feels like the least they could have possibly done while still giving the players something they wanted. The market is still a significant step backwards from FFXI, and there are plenty of problems with that too!



Edited, Dec 26th 2010 10:34pm by bsphil
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#17 Dec 27 2010 at 12:36 AM Rating: Decent
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While your post is eloquently written and I do agree with what you have written, this still does not change the fact that the OP rejects "biased opinions" and "blind crap" from those who enjoy the game simply because he doesn't agree. While those opinions obviously do not represent the majority, they still have merit, and therefore it leaves me disheartened to see said opinions shut out for whatever reason.

The Op didn't put it in a very diplomatic way, but he has a very good reason for excluding those opinions: they aren't useful to him.

Op: I didn't like it before. Is it better now?
Reply: It was always fine.

How does that help him?
#18 Dec 27 2010 at 1:14 AM Rating: Decent
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They fixed almost all the major problems, created a new one (terrible sp after 20), and added some content (items, NMs, Leves), but the game is still not finished. I like the game, I play it everyday, but it does not feel finished at all. It feels like a really well polished, fine tuned, and glitchless beta, or maybe somewhere in between beta and a full game. It doesn't quite feel like a complete, self contained world; you can tell there is a lot missing, and that there is a lot that is already there that needs to be tied together. There is still only 3 cities, 5 outdoor area's, and 6 dungeons, no chocobos, no airships, no quests outside of the main story and the job quests, and no viable weapon skill system, but I believe that once SE does what needs to be done (namely, finishing all these things)the game will be very, very good.
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#19 Dec 27 2010 at 1:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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1~2 570 570
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29~30 35,000 372,150 <- Clearly broken /sarcasm
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This myth needs to be busted. SP isn't BROKEN after ANY rank. Its the SAME SP per kill all the stinkin' way to 50. It's just MORE per rank to rank up.

Rate this post to ****, but god that grinds my gears when people say that its broken after a certain rank....

It's the same way in every MMO. The higher you get, the more it is to rank up!

Edited, Dec 27th 2010 2:35am by DoctorMog
#20 Dec 27 2010 at 1:42 AM Rating: Good
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While your post is eloquently written and I do agree with what you have written, this still does not change the fact that the OP rejects "biased opinions" and "blind crap" from those who enjoy the game simply because he doesn't agree. While those opinions obviously do not represent the majority, they still have merit, and therefore it leaves me disheartened to see said opinions shut out for whatever reason.

The Op didn't put it in a very diplomatic way, but he has a very good reason for excluding those opinions: they aren't useful to him.

Op: I didn't like it before. Is it better now?
Reply: It was always fine.

How does that help him?


I would see a reply more along the lines of "I thought the game was ok before, but they did [x, y, z] and it's really improved things."

A person can enjoy the game from step 1 and still note improvements, no need for the OP to be biased against what he perceives to be other people's bias and blindness.

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To be more specific, for a person who's enjoyed the game from the start to comment, I would imagine it to be impossible to make a one off comment of "It was always fine" and ignore the various fixes and changes that have been applied to the game thus far. One's disposition toward the game should not imply a reluctance to note the improvements SE has made from release to now.

Edited, Dec 27th 2010 2:54am by ThePacster
#21 Dec 27 2010 at 2:45 AM Rating: Decent
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A person can enjoy the game from step 1 and still note improvements, no need for the OP to be biased against what he perceives to be other people's bias and blindness.

I think you're missing the point. The Op asked to not hear "blind" opinions. Would you describe what you're talking about as "blind ? He just doesn't want to hear from people who are too busy White Knighting to give a useful answer. We all know that posters like that exist on this board, and they're entitled to their opinions but they won't help him.

I have trouble understanding how anyone can be confused about this. "Blind" opinions are definitely useless to the Op for obvious reasons. He just wants opinions from people who are actually looking at what's in front of them. We all know what kind of poster he's trying to avoid. If that's not you, then there's no need to grasp for an insult here.
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Rate this post to ****, but god that grinds my gears when people say that its broken after a certain rank....

The formula that rewards EXP for a kill abruptly starts rewarding less for a mob of the same difficulty at level 20. From 1-19, and from 20-50, there is a smooth, shallow curve where fighting mobs of the same level relative to yours gives a a roughly predictable amount of EXP. At 20, there is a giant cliff in the graph, where the amount of EXP you get for a kill for mobs of relative strength plummets. You literally start earning less EXP per kill at 20. That is what people are talking about.

It's really easy to see. Ding 19 and the mobs you were just fighting give you a little less EXP. Ding 20 and the mobs you were just fighting suddenly give dramatically less EXP. Ding 21 and they give you a little less again (but still far less than at 19). Levels 20+ have a different EXP reward calculation, and you get considerably less EXP compared to the formula used from ranks 1-19. As it stands now, rank 20 is a "soft cap" after which EXP is harder to earn. Is that "broken"? I dunno. But, it clearly exists, and showing the EXP tables for ranking up completely misses the point of what's happening.

I don't have a problem with it, myself, since I think it should take a long time to hit rank 50. But, I wish the formula change were incorporated gradually instead of coming abruptly at 20.

Edited, Dec 27th 2010 3:52am by Caesura
#22 Dec 27 2010 at 3:04 AM Rating: Good
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A person can enjoy the game from step 1 and still note improvements, no need for the OP to be biased against what he perceives to be other people's bias and blindness.

I think you're missing the point. The Op asked to not hear "blind" opinions. Would you describe what you're talking about as "blind ? He just doesn't want to hear from people who are too busy White Knighting to give a useful answer. We all know that posters like that exist on this board, and they're entitled to their opinions but they won't help him.

I have trouble understanding how anyone can be confused about this. "Blind" opinions are definitely useless to the Op for obvious reasons. He just wants opinions from people who are actually looking at what's in front of them. We all know what kind of poster he's trying to avoid. If that's not you, then there's no need to grasp for an insult here.


Obviously I'm aware of what blind means, but that's not all he said.

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Please i don't need biased opinions or " this game was great all along and it is just getting better!" blind crap


In addition to "blind crap" he doesn't want biased opinions. But who is to say what he considers a biased opinion. Don't try to pigeonhole me to the word "blind" when his message, at least to me, conveys he doesn't want to hear opinions from those who are not just "blind" but would say the game is enjoyable from the start.

I'm not disagreeing with you, and no what I described in my example is not blind, but if a person comes in here posting about how great they've found the game to be from the start while talking about all the improvements that are being made, it's obviously not blind, but is it biased? Perhaps I'm splitting hairs here but not everyone on these forums posts quite as articulately as you do, and the tone of the OP just doesn't sit well with me, so I apologize if I seem a bit ruffled.

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#23 Dec 27 2010 at 3:38 AM Rating: Decent
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In addition to "blind crap" he doesn't want biased opinions. But who is to say what he considers a biased opinion.

He tells you exactly what he's trying to avoid: "'this game was great all along and it is just getting better!' blind crap." He wants an opinion that isn't coloured entirely by liking everything about the game no matter how terrible it is. Again, he could have been a lot nicer about it, but I don't see how you can post here and not immediately know exactly what kind of response he's trying to avoid. There are people here who defended even the most ludicrous design decisions. There are people who who said it was a good thing that there was no inventory sorting. There are people here who insisted that the original retainer system was great. There are people here who thought the random SP rewards were working wonderfully. "UI lag? That just forces you to think about what you do."

Those people are a minority, but they exist. And, their opinions are absolutely useless to anyone trying to evaluate the game from a more mainstream perspective.

The game was really disliked. Fans hated it. I don't think a single reviewer gave a thumbs-up review. SE even apologised for it, and ditched the monthly fee. When was the last time a game developer did something like that? There was a consensus about the quality of the game that was almost mind-bogglingly universal. The Op wanted opinions about improvements and not arguments about the basic quality of the game, which really shouldn't be in dispute at this point and wouldn't help him one bit in any event.

It's reasonable to be offended by the Op's rudeness. But, his basic request is pretty damned sensible, and I have trouble seeing how any regular poster around here wouldn't immediately know what he's getting at. He'd like to hear informed, well-considered opinions and not blind crap. Given how much blind crap there was at the beginning when the Op was last around these parts, I can absolutely understand what he's getting at.
#24 Dec 27 2010 at 8:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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OK I came i saw I conquered I found the game to be horrible in all the ways we all stated before the last 2 big patches. How is it doing since the patches. Please i don't need biased opinions or " this game was great all along and it is just getting better!" blind crap. This game sucked I am trying to see if it is even worth updating.


They fixed [almost] all the annoyances that forbid people from enjoying the game. Now for the game part? There's no content. Its a beautiful functioning empty world.


I don't understand this 'no content' mentality. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying I don't understand it. Most people who play here have some experience with FFXI right? How does this game have staggeringly less content than FFXI, especially compared to how early in the lifespan this game is as compared to where FFXI was?

To me this game is very much like FFXI in the way it plays, except they've made things better for the casual player, and reduced a few of the time sinks that were there before (travel, changing classes, to name a couple). But really, what did you do in FFXI that was so different than here? You went out, formed parties, and grinded in groups, and it was fun right? What's stopping you from doing so here? Just because party exp doesn't yield massive amounts in 15 man parties anymore doesn't mean it's broken. How many of you considered the fact that maybe it was broken before and was yielding too much exp to begin with?

There aren't a lot of side quests like there were in FFXI, but how much time did people spend doing quests there anyway? There are class quests and the main story quest is way better than FFXI.

I think people expected the WoW version of FFXI, or maybe they didn't know exactly what they expected beforehand, and are just running on pure emotion. This is not a horrible game. If this is a horrible game then FFXI at launch was one step further, because this is a better game than FFXI was when I first started playing it when it launched in NA.

This is not WoW, or any other game like it. It is not a game based off of levelling up by doing quests in the same fashion as WoW. The guild leves are a short term exp boost mainly put in to keep the casual player from falling too far behind. I think what they failed to realize is how the guild leve system would impact the mentality or psychology of the people who are playing. I am willing to bet if they spent the same amount of time they did on the guild leve system doing individual, disposable one time quests, and the game was a huge party grind like ffxi, the people who are complaining now would be praising it, and the some of the casual people who are praisiing it might not be playing it, because we just can't afford that type of time sink.

The reputation of this game is not even remotely deserved of what it has received. People have shifted from no AH, to poor UI, to no content, and this is really the last thing they have to grasp on to. It comes down to people sticking to their guns because they're stubborn and prideful, and not only are they hurting their own ability to enjoy the game in the process, they're driving away other people who might have enjoyed it just fine were this game not surrounded by such a black cloud of hate and discontent.

Yes you are all welcome to your opinions, but I know for myself, that the large majority of the discontent around this game has very little to do with the failings of the game itself, they are really minimal, but moreso to do with a general sense of being spoiled for some and a general sense of unhappiness and discontent in life in general in others.

The biggest problem with this game is not a lack of content, it's the attitudes of many of those in the community who blame their own unhappiness in life on an mmo title and the creating company. Were this game not called final fantasy xiv and the creators no square enix, I can garauntee you, it would have received much more praise.

At the end of the day this changes nothing. People do what people want to do, and most people just can't stand to admit they are wrong, even to themselves, so they just stick to their guns and drag as many people down with them as they can. Truth is happiness, and FFXIV is a great game. At the end of the day there is nothing wrong with this game. In truth it is a work of art and a triumph of technology and human creativity as most games are. But people always want to externalize their problems and blame it on something else, and this is why FFXIV has suffered.

At the end of the day I see no point in asking others whether the game is any better, because people can only say whether it's enjoyable for them. Everyone has different expectations from the game, and many of them are completely unreasonable it seems. It seems nowawadays everyone seems to think a game should be custom made for their preferences and ***** everyone else. It's just another example of the spoiled crap going on in the youth of Wealthy Western and Eastern Societies.

So yes, I am quite tired of people complaining about this game. This community is still very little more than a place for unhappy people to express their angst against the world. There are a lot of good people here too, but even they are disheartened and becoming disillusioned because of the ever present hatred and misery in the hearts and minds of so many people that frequent this place.

Yes, this is a rant, but it is also a wake up call for some people, assuming they don't want to stay slumbering in their own personal nightmare. Complaining never solves anything. Constructive feedback can, but complaining doesn't, it only makes things worse. And those who complain, will always find something new to complain about. Those of you who decide to stay in this cesspool of misery and anger can take notice. Those who complain now, most of them will be complaining about something or other for as long as they remain on these forums.

Do yourselves a favour those of you who value your personal happiness and enjoyment of the game. Forget about your meaningless post count and forum rank and stop defending this game or even trying to promote it. You will never find happiness on these forums, at least nothing that lasts more than a few minutes. Get back in the game, enjoy it, and if you want to promote it, tell your friends and family how good it is. I know I for one am done with this community, it is a black spot on the Internet as most MMO forums are. For every truly uplifting and posititive post I see there are 20 others that diminish the human spirit and display all that is wrong with our society. There are probably only a handful of you out there who will even take this to heart, but that too is another sign of our times. Leave this verbal junkyard, and play the game with your friends. There are a lot of happy, positive,m and friendly people in there, and I garauntee you, your experience with this game will be infinitely better once you find them.

Cheers to all of the truly good in heart, and to those who spread vile profane misery, I hope some day you find happiness and goodness in your hearts as well.
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OK I came i saw I conquered I found the game to be horrible in all the ways we all stated before the last 2 big patches. How is it doing since the patches. Please i don't need biased opinions or " this game was great all along and it is just getting better!" blind crap. This game sucked I am trying to see if it is even worth updating.


They fixed [almost] all the annoyances that forbid people from enjoying the game. Now for the game part? There's no content. Its a beautiful functioning empty world.


I don't understand this 'no content' mentality. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying I don't understand it. Most people who play here have some experience with FFXI right? How does this game have staggeringly less content than FFXI, especially compared to how early in the lifespan this game is as compared to where FFXI was?

To me this game is very much like FFXI in the way it plays, except they've made things better for the casual player, and reduced a few of the time sinks that were there before (travel, changing classes, to name a couple). But really, what did you do in FFXI that was so different than here? You went out, formed parties, and grinded in groups, and it was fun right? What's stopping you from doing so here? Just because party exp doesn't yield massive amounts in 15 man parties anymore doesn't mean it's broken. How many of you considered the fact that maybe it was broken before and was yielding too much exp to begin with?

There aren't a lot of side quests like there were in FFXI, but how much time did people spend doing quests there anyway? There are class quests and the main story quest is way better than FFXI.

I think people expected the WoW version of FFXI, or maybe they didn't know exactly what they expected beforehand, and are just running on pure emotion. This is not a horrible game. If this is a horrible game then FFXI at launch was one step further, because this is a better game than FFXI was when I first started playing it when it launched in NA.

This is not WoW, or any other game like it. It is not a game based off of levelling up by doing quests in the same fashion as WoW. The guild leves are a short term exp boost mainly put in to keep the casual player from falling too far behind. I think what they failed to realize is how the guild leve system would impact the mentality or psychology of the people who are playing. I am willing to bet if they spent the same amount of time they did on the guild leve system doing individual, disposable one time quests, and the game was a huge party grind like ffxi, the people who are complaining now would be praising it, and the some of the casual people who are praisiing it might not be playing it, because we just can't afford that type of time sink.

The reputation of this game is not even remotely deserved of what it has received. People have shifted from no AH, to poor UI, to no content, and this is really the last thing they have to grasp on to. It comes down to people sticking to their guns because they're stubborn and prideful, and not only are they hurting their own ability to enjoy the game in the process, they're driving away other people who might have enjoyed it just fine were this game not surrounded by such a black cloud of hate and discontent.

Yes you are all welcome to your opinions, but I know for myself, that the large majority of the discontent around this game has very little to do with the failings of the game itself, they are really minimal, but moreso to do with a general sense of being spoiled for some and a general sense of unhappiness and discontent in life in general in others.

The biggest problem with this game is not a lack of content, it's the attitudes of many of those in the community who blame their own unhappiness in life on an mmo title and the creating company. Were this game not called final fantasy xiv and the creators no square enix, I can garauntee you, it would have received much more praise.

At the end of the day this changes nothing. People do what people want to do, and most people just can't stand to admit they are wrong, even to themselves, so they just stick to their guns and drag as many people down with them as they can. Truth is happiness, and FFXIV is a great game. At the end of the day there is nothing wrong with this game. In truth it is a work of art and a triumph of technology and human creativity as most games are. But people always want to externalize their problems and blame it on something else, and this is why FFXIV has suffered.

At the end of the day I see no point in asking others whether the game is any better, because people can only say whether it's enjoyable for them. Everyone has different expectations from the game, and many of them are completely unreasonable it seems. It seems nowawadays everyone seems to think a game should be custom made for their preferences and ***** everyone else. It's just another example of the spoiled crap going on in the youth of Wealthy Western and Eastern Societies.

So yes, I am quite tired of people complaining about this game. This community is still very little more than a place for unhappy people to express their angst against the world. There are a lot of good people here too, but even they are disheartened and becoming disillusioned because of the ever present hatred and misery in the hearts and minds of so many people that frequent this place.

Yes, this is a rant, but it is also a wake up call for some people, assuming they don't want to stay slumbering in their own personal nightmare. Complaining never solves anything. Constructive feedback can, but complaining doesn't, it only makes things worse. And those who complain, will always find something new to complain about. Those of you who decide to stay in this cesspool of misery and anger can take notice. Those who complain now, most of them will be complaining about something or other for as long as they remain on these forums.

Do yourselves a favour those of you who value your personal happiness and enjoyment of the game. Forget about your meaningless post count and forum rank and stop defending this game or even trying to promote it. You will never find happiness on these forums, at least nothing that lasts more than a few minutes. Get back in the game, enjoy it, and if you want to promote it, tell your friends and family how good it is. I know I for one am done with this community, it is a black spot on the Internet as most MMO forums are. For every truly uplifting and posititive post I see there are 20 others that diminish the human spirit and display all that is wrong with our society. There are probably only a handful of you out there who will even take this to heart, but that too is another sign of our times. Leave this verbal junkyard, and play the game with your friends. There are a lot of happy, positive,m and friendly people in there, and I garauntee you, your experience with this game will be infinitely better once you find them.

Cheers to all of the truly good in heart, and to those who spread vile profane misery, I hope some day you find happiness and goodness in your hearts as well.


Since 2003 when very little content was acceptable people have gotten used to games like wow which have lots of content. Its kinda like looking at internet speeds from the 90s when dial up was the norm and comparing it to todays standards. even if you have good dial up in 2010 its still considered suuuuuuper slow. The world has moved way past slow *** dial up and the world has moved past games with FFXIV levels of content.
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This. I think when they fix party play "lack of content" wont matter any more. If I can form parties (consistently) and go out there, find a good place to grind and make some good SP along with some good tactical play (not the mash fest we have now in party play) then I'm happy and I think the majority of people are happy too but right now FFXIV is completely solo driven and this gets boring after a while. However, like I've said in previous topics, I think they're slowing people down intentionally hence no SP fix yet, maybe so we don't get too far ahead when PS3 launches, but when the fix comes it'll be great.
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@charityneverfaileth: That was simply exquisite.

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This. I think when they fix party play "lack of content" wont matter any more. If I can form parties (consistently) and go out there, find a good place to grind and make some good SP along with some good tactical play (not the mash fest we have now in party play) then I'm happy and I think the majority of people are happy too but right now FFXIV is completely solo driven and this gets boring after a while. However, like I've said in previous topics, I think they're slowing people down intentionally hence no SP fix yet, maybe so we don't get too far ahead when PS3 launches, but when the fix comes it'll be great.


You pretty much nailed it for me. I was tolerant of the UI but now it's great, I honestly avoided the wards at first but I recently decked my character out in about 15 minutes thanks to the wards, I'm not sure what specific type of content people are waiting for (although personally I look forward to the defense hamlet things), but my only gripe? Parties. I honestly don't mind a grind, but when I log on, shout around, and use the search function and nobody bites, I lose interest since I don't like playing alone. Once the party train gets rolling, I also believe more people may get into the spirit of things.
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I can say that this game is not solo driven. Not in the slightest.

I prefer to solo, but SP is ALWAYS better when I duo or trio. It's not "group play" like 6 people grinding, but my SP per hour goes up in the range of 4-6k an hour when I form a party to grind rather than solo.

Kills are so much faster, it negates the 10-15 SP I lose by having them in the group.


Start calculating your SP per hour solo people. Do this for 10+ hours and then duo or trio with someone, It is a LOT more SP per hour.

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charityneverfaileth wrote:

I don't understand this 'no content' mentality. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying I don't understand it. Most people who play here have some experience with FFXI right? How does this game have staggeringly less content than FFXI, especially compared to how early in the lifespan this game is as compared to where FFXI was?

To me this game is very much like FFXI in the way it plays, except they've made things better for the casual player, and reduced a few of the time sinks that were there before (travel, changing classes, to name a couple). But really, what did you do in FFXI that was so different than here? You went out, formed parties, and grinded in groups, and it was fun right? What's stopping you from doing so here? Just because party exp doesn't yield massive amounts in 15 man parties anymore doesn't mean it's broken. How many of you considered the fact that maybe it was broken before and was yielding too much exp to begin with?

There aren't a lot of side quests like there were in FFXI, but how much time did people spend doing quests there anyway? There are class quests and the main story quest is way better than FFXI.

I think people expected the WoW version of FFXI, or maybe they didn't know exactly what they expected beforehand, and are just running on pure emotion. This is not a horrible game. If this is a horrible game then FFXI at launch was one step further, because this is a better game than FFXI was when I first started playing it when it launched in NA.

I had a nice reply going, but mistakenly hit a link and lost everything.. so here it goes again:

My experiences in FFXIV vs my experiences with FFXI: I was hooked by FFXI almost immediately. Granted when FFXI was launched in NA there was ~1.5 years worth of adjustments content updates and an expansion to explore. Even the first 30 levels of FFXI feel more substantial than the first 30 in FFXIV. I mean by level 30 in FFXI, I explored 3 dungeons, visited 3 cities, and had my first grp boss encounter. Adversely in FFXIV by rank 30 I've experienced 0 grp content (outside of leves, or SP grind) a few story missions which I admit is very good, but as a melee class I just steamroll through the "action" parts It's not that I'm well over the encounters rank, it's just populated with weak mobs.

FFXIV main content is Guild Leves. I liken this to FFXI's Fields of Valor which is side content. In both you are given target mobs to kill, and are rewarded when you complete the task. In FFXI you can engage in FoV once a hour. in FFXIV you can do 8 every 36 hours (once every 4.5 by comparison) This type of quest is fluff. It's not main content

FFXI main content was it's battle system 1-75(90 now) party play in this setting was executed very well. you fought monsters gained 100-250 exp a kill and leveled up in at a steady pace. The to next levels are much more attainable in FFXI compared to FFXIV for example:

In FFXI to level from 30-31 you need 5,800 EXP

In FFXIV to rank from 30-31 you need 38,000 SP

To reach max level (75) in FFXI you need 42,000 EXP

In FFXIV max rank (50) you need 100,000 SP.

You can argue that XP/hr was less in FFXI ranging from 3k/5k/10k/( currently 20k- 150k/hr post 75 is normal in FFXI ty abyssea) depending on level and party.
In FFXIV 10kSP/hr seems to the normal rate. so lets break it down.

level 30-31 in FFXI: @3k/hr = ~2/hrs @ 5k.hr = ~1hr
rank 30-31 in FFXIv @ 10k/hr = 3.8 hrs

level 40-41 in FFXI (6,800exp) @ 3k/hr =~2hrs @ 5k/hr=~1.3hrs
rank 40-41 in FFXIV (71,000sp) @10k/hr = 7.1 hrs

level 50-51 in FFXI (7,800) @3k/hr =2.6hrs @ 5k/hr= 1.5hrs
rank 49-50 in FFXIV (100,000sp) @10k/hr = 10 hrs!

level 74-75 in FFXIV (42,000) @3k/hr= 14hr (unheard of) @5k/hr = 8.4 (still slow) @10/k 4.2 hrs

THe point being that in FFXI the rate at which you gained XP and the amount TNL come faster than FFXIV. It only get worse the more you rank up in FFXIV. What FFXIV is missing is stuff to do other than grind, or alternative goals while grinding. Farming mobs for drops in FFXI was a headache but it took your attention away from the XP bar and focused it on, amount of mobs killed for that 1 drop, but in the mean time you racked up 10kSP/EXP.

IF memory serves me correctly FFXI had rank missions every 10 levels which were broken into 3 parts. so basically you had a mission every 3 levels. In FFXIV you have 1 mission @ rank 1 another @ rank 10 , @ 20 @ 25 & @ 30. so 1-30 you have 5 missions and 2 guild quests. so 7 other story content. FFXI has 9 story misisons (which were more complex) and countless side quests. by the time you hit 30. (not to mention advanced job quests)

FFXIV is on the right track and I can't wait til the world is fully realized and fleshed out. This first 2011 update looks promising, I'm sticking with FFXIV for the long haul. I was expecting FFXIV to release as more of a FFXI ver. 2.0, than anything else. and they even missed that mark. They could have borrowed so many diff systems from FFXI and tweak them to make them unique, it's beyond me why they didn't include some sort of semblance of Assault, BCNM, Campaign, Besieged.

Those system made FFXI great they will make FFXIV great as well.

DoctorMog wrote:


Start calculating your SP per hour solo people. Do this for 10+ hours and then duo or trio with someone, It is a LOT more SP per hour.

Please note my signature, I think my ranks speak for themselves.


Doctor Mog thats a bit misleading you obtained your rank 50 conj, 4 days before the version update when they changed SP gains
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#30 Dec 27 2010 at 7:13 PM Rating: Decent
Frankly I like playing the game without having my (fun) and (excitement) (long time) interrupted by whiney ***** ******* going on and on and on and on and .......

They really (break) my good time down with their (howling vortex).

So to the OP I would suggest this - the devs have acknowledged that the game as it is, is not presently at a stage where it should have been (ie ready for release) and as such have stated that until such time where the game would be considered ready for release they (as other posters have mentioned):
(1) won't be going ahead with the PS release; and
(2) won't be charging monthly fees.

So why don't you do both me & you a favour and wait til those indicators have occurred before you come back?

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PS - since we seem to be getting a few of these posts now - could I suggest to the forum mods that maybe a sticky be put up with the game's current status?
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I agree with the above post about the TNLs and amount of time required to get one rank in FFXIV; it quickly becomes an outrageous effort the majority of everyone cannot endure. I know many would argue that FFXI orginally had much larger TNLs before it was nerfed, but as true as that may be, that doesn't change the fact that you're spending 10+ hours per rank in the 40's, maybe even the 30's. Let's face it, you're probably not going to be fortunate enough to get 10k per hour for the entirety of a rank. Even if the grind is stupidly fun (which is NOT even remotely the case with FF14) one level should not take 10 hours! Especially when leveling up is the only thing to do in a game! I just don't get it.

Edited, Dec 27th 2010 9:03pm by Axel
#32 Dec 27 2010 at 8:21 PM Rating: Good
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lol wtf you ppl want to hit cap in 2 weeks? its an mmo, ff11 took me about 7 months to cap 75 and I played everyday.
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Abhy wrote:
lol wtf you ppl want to hit cap in 2 weeks? its an mmo, ff11 took me about 7 months to cap 75 and I played everyday.


so many games coming out let you hit cap in less then a week
and then you got games like wow who you can still cap in 2 weeks or less

so its expected and ALOT of people rage when you cant

people have forgotten what it means to have to earn something, now granted it can be a bit much sometimes, but at least its not so easy you get it with no effort at all
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The game is doing better with each patch, but still much to do... if you don't like to craft, you will fall short in the game.. IMO..

I am interested in your "I came i saw I conquered" ... How far did you get? post lodestone page or something..
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hey that's not true... I'm not SE white knight and I'm still here... only because it's free and I don't play that much lol...


I'll say that this game is 1% closer to being ready for PS3 launch since the patches... yep yep... 1% closer...
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yeah it's getting better, maybe sometime during this year, it will be an actual game <.<
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Check back in 6 months. If SE wants to turn a profit for 2011, they'll need a decently happy player base by then. This in turn means the game should suit most people that liked FFXI. Time will tell.

While I haven't touched the game since beta ended, I can tell you that SE has slowly been improving upon the game. I've kept a fairly close eye on things as I might reconsider my choice to avoid this game like the plague. My fingers are crossed, but I ain't holding my breath.
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#39 Dec 28 2010 at 5:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can't see myself enjoying the game until they completely rewrite the UI to be perfectly honest...
It's just not crisp enough, especially after playing FFXI
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OK I came i saw I conquered I found the game to be horrible in all the ways we all stated before the last 2 big patches. How is it doing since the patches. Please i don't need biased opinions or " this game was great all along and it is just getting better!" blind crap. This game sucked I am trying to see if it is even worth updating.


Don't bother, the game will do fine without you. Go play something else kthxbai.
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#41 Dec 28 2010 at 6:45 AM Rating: Good
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notice that most people who dislike the game are not very far into it, which is understandable. why go on when you hate every second, right? but if you're rank 20~ and already reviewing the game poorly then it may be a premature time to do so. i mean level 1-20~ is what, a day or two worth of playtime?

then there's complaints about 'too many japanese'. it's true that a language barrier can make an NA player feel alone. but if JP players weren't in their 40's i don't think we would mind them as much. seeing them is like a reminder of how lazily we attempt progress.

ff11 obviously appeals to the social type of personalities and mostly anime fans that need other fans to feel whole. ff14 is currently made to please mildly social players and total soloers(the people previously thought of as weirdos in 11, who solo as pld/bst in the middle of nowhere). even in 11 the solo bsts started to die off and became bst ls's and abyssea bsts. the option to be alone one moment then with a group the next is a feature in ff14 no matter how much it displeases the crowd-lovers.



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lol wtf you ppl want to hit cap in 2 weeks? its an mmo, ff11 took me about 7 months to cap 75 and I played everyday.
You could also do it much quicker, but more importantly, there were a lot of other non-grinding things to do on the way to 75 the first time. Missions, fame, farming, crafting, etc. Most people took a long time to get to 75 (took me almost a year) the first time around, and after that it went much quicker. FFXIV is missing content to slow people down from hitting the level cap. Even though it takes longer, people are hitting 50 more quickly just because that's all there is to do.
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I don't want to take part in the argument as a whole, but I need to comment on this:

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THe point being that in FFXI the rate at which you gained XP and the amount TNL come faster than FFXIV.


When you say that, do you take into account the amount of time not exping but attempting to do so? And the amount of time required to do something other than leveling (farming). You simply could not level as fast as your chart seems to imply, and very often the time it took from logging on to actually start obtaining exp was outrageous.

Counter-argument to that is obviously "you didn't know how to do it" as in "you should lead your parties yourself" but let's be realistic here: it wasn't a foolproof method. You may have had 4 people LFG and then had to wait an hour or more for the particular job at a particular level range to start LFG'ing (or in the worst case at least log in so you could ask him to join anyway). We all know the level calculations in XI were strict and simply one member leveling up could mean more than 25% drop in exp. And let's not forget the burden of leading a party either. You had the responsibility and asking everyone else's opinion meant deep silence most of the time.

Please take this into account if you haven't done so already. While I agree that even with all this said the leveling from round 35~40 onwards starts to be too much, you can't simply compare XIV's TNL and SP/Hr to XI directly. It is hardly an accurate comparison.

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I think the resemblance between faction leves and BCNM's are quite obvious, aside from faction leves being in the open areas.

Guildleves in general also feel like a mix of FoV and MMM.

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You could also do it much quicker, but more importantly, there were a lot of other non-grinding things to do on the way to 75 the first time.


Sadly there is no quick fix to this. They could apply a hotfix (make leveling faster), but that is such a shot-term fix which will bring more problems later on. If all the players are rank 50 due to faster leveling process, they simply don't have time to flesh out the road to 50 as much as they need to. And obviously creating content takes time, so all we can do is wait, or rush to 50 and let SE make the game top heavy content wise.

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hyanmen dont talk about ffxi party system when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.I read right until yousaid level range....you haven't played in awhile...stop talking now

wow and now i just read another part of your post..."And let's not forget the burden of leading a party either. You had the responsibility and asking everyone else's opinion meant deep silence most of the time." I can tell you have never been in a leadership role in real life...also can tell you have no idea how to handle one and im going to say in real life you are more a shy guy that sits in the background...all from that statement you made. I never had problems with being a leader....i always made my own parties......burden lol. serious, its a video game, there is no burden.

On top of that, you are in a leadership role, you do not ask opinions, you explain where you are going to level up, how to do it, and why it is the best way. most people will just listen if it sounds like you know what you are doing. the second you start asking opinions right at the beginning you fail as a leader. you should already have a game plan, that is why people are joining your party. i already would have a game plan every time i started a party. learn how to be in a leadership role before trying to preach about it.

Edited, Dec 28th 2010 10:50am by ironmonk25
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I'll make it short. The game got a lot better in the patches of nov and dec, especially gameplay wise. Everything is less clunky and lags are reduced overall, which raises the "not frustrated" bar a lot. Overall gameplay is just smoother and everything has a better "flow".

But...if you don't have ppl to play with, you won't have fun. Just ask yourself if you have friends or some other people you know that play FFXIV and you could play with and if not, then you should only start playing again if you're willing to find new people to play with.

Cause the only thing that holds me in FFXIV right now are the people. I will defeintely play it further even if some of them would be gone, but I'm a person whos patient and willing to wait til the game is "finished", others are not...so just look in which category you would fit in.
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Hyanmen wrote:
I don't want to take part in the argument as a whole, but I need to comment on this:

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THe point being that in FFXI the rate at which you gained XP and the amount TNL come faster than FFXIV.


When you say that, do you take into account the amount of time not exping but attempting to do so? And the amount of time required to do something other than leveling (farming).
Please take this into account if you haven't done so already. While I agree that even with all this said the leveling from round 35~40 onwards starts to be too much, you can't simply compare XIV's TNL and SP/Hr to XI directly. It is hardly an accurate comparison.

Edited, Dec 28th 2010 4:36pm by Hyanmen



The amount of time i proposed that it takes to level are purely while exping. It is easy to gain ~3k/hr solo for that last two years in FFXI.
What I really wanted to convey was the amount of time it take not to get to max level, but the time it takes to even reach the next available content.

Example from level 30-40 it takes a total of 62,500 EXP (@3kXP/hr = ~20hrs of pure exp, @5kXP/hr=12.5 hrs of pure exp - low end figure for FFXI XP/HR rates)


in FFXIV for ranks 30-40 it takes a total of 543,000SP (@10kSP/hr = 54.3 hours of pure SP - High end figure for FFXIV SP/HR rates)

THe point is the frequency that you encounter "new" content in FFXIV is slow, and just compounds more so the higher rank you gain.

And remember this is time just killing mob after mob no breaks, no running to camps, no waiting for PT (FFXI) no running back to town to repair gear, no waiting out fatigue resets, no waiting on leve resets.

Abhy wrote:
lol wtf you ppl want to hit cap in 2 weeks? its an mmo, ff11 took me about 7 months to cap 75 and I played everyday.


I'm not worried about rushing to rank 50. I'm concerned about the short term goals. Does spending 18+ hours grinding out ranks 30-34 to access a 5 min long quest worth it to spend another 23+ hours grinding to get to the next story arc?

I need to tie this in with the original post. Besides the lack of alternative/side content, the rate at which content becomes available needs to be reexamined by SE. As it stands now, What you put in doesn't equal what you get out of it.

We need things to be available from rank 1 to keep us busy @ rank 42.
Adding NM is one of those things, A rank 1 can engage but will not win, but a grp of rank 30's might, and maybe a solo 50 can as well.
We need NPCs to say "hey go to blah blah blah cave and get me 10 crab shells"

I know these type of things are in store for FFXIV. It's just surprising they didn't include them from the get go.
I've been playing FFXIV since alpha 1. I thought for certain SE was holding back content and just wanted us to test systems, that needed refining. OF all the things we complained about in april/may they fixed in november 6 months after.... of all the lack of content we complained about in july/august maybe we'll see get patched in jan/feb.....6 months later.

FFXIV is 6 months behind where it should be in my opinion.

For those of us, like me who are weathering the storm, will look back and say remember what FFXIV was like back then? That time will come.


Edited, Dec 28th 2010 9:20am by SevenLittleChipmunks
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#48 Dec 28 2010 at 12:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Creepygiggles wrote:
notice that most people who dislike the game are not very far into it, which is understandable. why go on when you hate every second, right? but if you're rank 20~ and already reviewing the game poorly then it may be a premature time to do so. i mean level 1-20~ is what, a day or two worth of playtime?

then there's complaints about 'too many japanese'. it's true that a language barrier can make an NA player feel alone. but if JP players weren't in their 40's i don't think we would mind them as much. seeing them is like a reminder of how lazily we attempt progress.

ff11 obviously appeals to the social type of personalities and mostly anime fans that need other fans to feel whole. ff14 is currently made to please mildly social players and total soloers(the people previously thought of as weirdos in 11, who solo as pld/bst in the middle of nowhere). even in 11 the solo bsts started to die off and became bst ls's and abyssea bsts. the option to be alone one moment then with a group the next is a feature in ff14 no matter how much it displeases the crowd-lovers.



rank 20 is a fine time to review the game. You can review everything about the game except actual content that is a higher level, that has no equivalent below level 20, which at this time is only the new NM fights.
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#49 Dec 28 2010 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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Well, like I mentioned, making the process to hit the next content faster is not that good of a solution, although in the short-term it would ease the problems. There is really nothing they can currently do about it no matter how much they re-examine the current situation. It is the present state of the game and there is nothing anyone can do about it anytime soon. We can of course talk about it, but I think it is rather pointless right now. They did what they did, and nothing is going to change that. Without a doubt this is the biggest factor pulling the game down, but also what they need more than a few months to fix. Six months sounds reasonable at this stage, and I doubt they can delay the PS3 version more than that anyway.

The game was released in a rushed state. Knowing that, it is not hard to see why the content is not in the game. The new productor isn't going to fix that. We just need to accept it or move on.
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#50 Dec 29 2010 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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SevenLittleChipmunks wrote:
inventory is sortable, equipping gear is much easier (only shows gear appropriate for selected slot)


The fact that these two things have to be mentioned as improvements just show me what a sad state this game is in.
#51 Dec 29 2010 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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Hyanmen wrote:
I don't want to take part in the argument as a whole, but I need to comment on this:

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THe point being that in FFXI the rate at which you gained XP and the amount TNL come faster than FFXIV.


When you say that, do you take into account the amount of time not exping but attempting to do so? And the amount of time required to do something other than leveling (farming). You simply could not level as fast as your chart seems to imply, and very often the time it took from logging on to actually start obtaining exp was outrageous.


So true. Things may be different now with Abyssea but back when I was playing (just last January) I never got party invites even with my flag up for hours, so I had to solo everything painfully (even with FoV)... and you didn't even mention how much time the average player had to spend scraping and scrimping up gil for even passable gear that wouldn't get you laughed right out of a party...
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When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.


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