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#1 Dec 27 2010 at 7:09 AM Rating: Decent
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I think I read about this issue a couple of months ago, but can't seem find the thread. I have a 20 GLD, but recently leveled PUG to 10. I have been back on my GLD for the past few days and last night was offered a leve quest that rewards Guild Marks, but for PUG instead of GLD.

Does the game think I changed my class to PUG? Is there a trick, or method to get those rewards changed back to me main class? I'm really close to having enough Marks to get a ability I have been saving up for, and now it appears I'm temporarily blocked from obtaining Marks for my GLD.

Thanks for the help on this.

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Any class you have 10 or higher you can get Guild Marks for.
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The game will present you with the oportunity to earn Guild Marks on any class which you have a rank of 10+.

It is up to you then to choose to take the leve or not or even to do the leve of the appropriate class or not. Be aware that if you do do the leve but on a different class you will not earn the marks.

In my opinion this is not bad design, if anything is that we are being given too much choice. At reset, certain leves are associated with the reward of Guild Marks. If you do not have the respective class above rank 10 you are not even told about it and do not receive the marks but if you do then your given the option to either omplete the leve with any class you want and if doing it in the appropriate one you receive an extra bonus.

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#5 Dec 27 2010 at 7:49 AM Rating: Excellent
Yes, getting to Rank 10 for ANY DoW/DoM class will result in R20 leves sometimes offering Guild Marks for your lower classes. That could, however, also be incentive to rank your lower classes sufficiently so that you may get marks from playing a different class :-)
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#6 Dec 27 2010 at 7:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Mithsavvy wrote:
I think I read about this issue a couple of months ago, but can't seem find the thread. I have a 20 GLD, but recently leveled PUG to 10. I have been back on my GLD for the past few days and last night was offered a leve quest that rewards Guild Marks, but for PUG instead of GLD.

Does the game think I changed my class to PUG? Is there a trick, or method to get those rewards changed back to me main class? I'm really close to having enough Marks to get a ability I have been saving up for, and now it appears I'm temporarily blocked from obtaining Marks for my GLD.

Thanks for the help on this.



You play multiple classes on XIV. The guild marks you see are unlocked as you level up on those qualifying jobs. Upon ranking up to 10 the rank 20s will do it for each one. Apparently after a certain point the rank 10s (at rank 30 I heard) don't give marks anymore.

Though more importantly, guild marks replace the gil option and do not overwrite other guildmarks from appearing. Also having many classes and their unique abilities obtained by marks do add a lot of power when properly utilized.

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Others have already correctly answered that any regional leve can offer marks for classes R10 and above. However, it's a pet peeve of mine that GLD = Goldsmith and GLA = Gladiator. I was confused at first by the OP, thinking, wait a minute, how did you get a leve to offer Goldsmith marks upfront? I want this too!

Of course I quickly realized the error, but please be sure to use the abbreviations the game uses, else run the risk of others making the same dumb mistake that I did.
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This is why in my topic in Feedback, which was scored down, I proposed exchangeable marks between classes..
Say.. I leveled up my LNC to rank 10 and levequests are giving me marks for that class.. and I don't need any LNC marks so why after obtaining them can't I exchange them for GLA marks..?
Maybe back then I didn't make myself clear enough..
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KaineGestalt wrote:
This is why in my topic in Feedback, which was scored down, I proposed exchangeable marks between classes..
Say.. I leveled up my LNC to rank 10 and levequests are giving me marks for that class.. and I don't need any LNC marks so why after obtaining them can't I exchange them for GLA marks..?
Maybe back then I didn't make myself clear enough..


No, you probably did Kaine... the thing is, marks are supposed to be hard to acquire. The system is, perhaps unfortunately, 'working as intended'. If you read the dialogue with the NPCs, too, you'll see that they are signs of honor/dedication to the guild. Being able to exchange them for desired marks defeats both the game design and the lore.

Unless you're talking about exchange at an extreme discount... perhaps being able to embark on a "training" quest from the LNC guild that costs 10,000 guild marks in order to do service to the GLA guild and earn 1,000 marks. They could perhaps work in some quests late game to enable this, but that won't be until there are huge surpluses of marks. We're nowhere close to that point, yet.
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Well yeah there could be some kind of "malus" upon mark exchange.. like trade in 5000 LNC guild marks and receive back 1250 GLA marks which is -75% of the original amount.. it seems fair..
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You aren't shooting yourself in the foot. Had you not leveled pgl, those marks would have been gil, they had zero chance to be Gladiator marks.

When you're assigned guildleves for the week, each is assigned a class. If you have that class in range, you'll be offered marks, if not gil.

Its not you have X change to get marks, and then they pick a class randomly to grant marks too.
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Thanks for the responses. If I understand correctly, I still have the same chance of receiving a GLA GM leve quest as I always did.

My only other question is this: If I choose not to do a certain leve quest, will it remain in the cue, thus blocking other potential leves from being offered? In other words, am I better off just doing that PUG leve and flushing it out of the cue, or is it ok to ignore it for now?

This question also relates to all of those Rank 1 levels I keep getting offered on my crafting classes, since I typically choose not to undertake those leves.

Thanks again and rate up for the helpful responses.
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Mithsavvy wrote:
Thanks for the responses. If I understand correctly, I still have the same chance of receiving a GLA GM leve quest as I always did.

My only other question is this: If I choose not to do a certain leve quest, will it remain in the cue, thus blocking other potential leves from being offered? In other words, am I better off just doing that PUG leve and flushing it out of the cue, or is it ok to ignore it for now?

This question also relates to all of those Rank 1 levels I keep getting offered on my crafting classes, since I typically choose not to undertake those leves.

Thanks again and rate up for the helpful responses.


IIRC the system tries not to give you the same leves as you just completed (but I've still seen it happen). I'd do it if it looks like it gives SP, if not next reset it will give different marks/gil anyways.
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Mithsavvy wrote:
Thanks for the responses. If I understand correctly, I still have the same chance of receiving a GLA GM leve quest as I always did.

My only other question is this: If I choose not to do a certain leve quest, will it remain in the cue, thus blocking other potential leves from being offered? In other words, am I better off just doing that PUG leve and flushing it out of the cue, or is it ok to ignore it for now?

This question also relates to all of those Rank 1 levels I keep getting offered on my crafting classes, since I typically choose not to undertake those leves.

Thanks again and rate up for the helpful responses.


Regardless whether you have done a certain quest on a reset or not there will be the same chance of that same leve appearing the following reset.
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You aren't shooting yourself in the foot. Had you not leveled pgl, those marks would have been gil, they had zero chance to be Gladiator marks.

When you're assigned guildleves for the week, each is assigned a class. If you have that class in range, you'll be offered marks, if not gil.

Its not you have X change to get marks, and then they pick a class randomly to grant marks too.



Interesting.. Where are you getting this information? I have never seen a post describing that's the way the system works.

I have a bunch of DoW/M at 10+, but only one at 30+... most of my leves have marks for the 30+ job, and hardly ever for the others. This could be coincidence, but appears to have a correlation driving it.

Not saying you're wrong, necessarily, but that observed correlation goes counter to what you just explained, so please provide a reference link.
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I know it's not really pertaining to the topic, but a lot of the abilities and traits you can purchase with the guild marks can be quite useful. I know the Conjurer guild has Fastcast, I don't know about Pugilist (I think it's Pummel?), but I imagine the stat allocating traits would be useful as well.

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volta1 wrote:
KujaKoF wrote:
You aren't shooting yourself in the foot. Had you not leveled pgl, those marks would have been gil, they had zero chance to be Gladiator marks.

When you're assigned guildleves for the week, each is assigned a class. If you have that class in range, you'll be offered marks, if not gil.

Its not you have X change to get marks, and then they pick a class randomly to grant marks too.



Interesting.. Where are you getting this information? I have never seen a post describing that's the way the system works.

I have a bunch of DoW/M at 10+, but only one at 30+... most of my leves have marks for the 30+ job, and hardly ever for the others. This could be coincidence, but appears to have a correlation driving it.

Not saying you're wrong, necessarily, but that observed correlation goes counter to what you just explained, so please provide a reference link.


Based on my own observations. Twice now I've had a class at 9, looked at leves and they granted money. Did not accept them, got that class to 10. went back to the desk, looked at the leves again and one of them had turned to marks.
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I think this was discussed before...rank 20 leves will randomly give you marks on any job you have 10 or higher. Rank 30 leves will give you marks on any job 20 or higher. SE figured if you have an job in that range that you are interested in it and will give you chance to get marks.
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KujaKoF wrote:
volta1 wrote:
KujaKoF wrote:
You aren't shooting yourself in the foot. Had you not leveled pgl, those marks would have been gil, they had zero chance to be Gladiator marks.

When you're assigned guildleves for the week, each is assigned a class. If you have that class in range, you'll be offered marks, if not gil.

Its not you have X change to get marks, and then they pick a class randomly to grant marks too.



Interesting.. Where are you getting this information? I have never seen a post describing that's the way the system works.

I have a bunch of DoW/M at 10+, but only one at 30+... most of my leves have marks for the 30+ job, and hardly ever for the others. This could be coincidence, but appears to have a correlation driving it.

Not saying you're wrong, necessarily, but that observed correlation goes counter to what you just explained, so please provide a reference link.


Based on my own observations. Twice now I've had a class at 9, looked at leves and they granted money. Did not accept them, got that class to 10. went back to the desk, looked at the leves again and one of them had turned to marks.


As odd as this may seem... I was talking with a buddy about this very topic the other day.
He is Glad main and I am Con. Through our leves at bloodshore he always got this 1 particular leve for Glad Marks where you had to kill 2 Galagos (Opo-opo) [they of coarse flee and you end up killing 4] - but i digress.

Anyway... He only ever got marks for his Glad on this leve and i NEVER got this leve even offered... not 1 time. Sure enough... I lvled Glad up to 12 for fun. The next leve reset .. there it was offering Glad marks. Some leves may be assigned to specific classes. AGAIN!!! THIS IS NOT FACT JUST MY EXPERIENCE

but yes in short.... classes over 10 - ~20 leves have chance to offer marks. classes over 20 - ~30 leves have chance to offer marks... not there yet... but bet your $$ ranks over 30 - ~40 leves will have chance to offer marks.

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#20 Dec 28 2010 at 7:53 AM Rating: Decent
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I remember the game telling me that you can complete a leve on the wrong class and get a reduced amount of marks for the class you used, but I also remember being very tired that day and almost falling asleep next to the crystal, so it probably didn't happen. Can anyone confirm either way?
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DragoonRising wrote:
I remember the game telling me that you can complete a leve on the wrong class and get a reduced amount of marks for the class you used, but I also remember being very tired that day and almost falling asleep next to the crystal, so it probably didn't happen. Can anyone confirm either way?


Afraid this is incorrect.

Game says semothing like reduced benefits or something, this is because if you complete on the wrong class you get the Gil reward only, no marks whatsoever.
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volta1 wrote:
I have a bunch of DoW/M at 10+, but only one at 30+... most of my leves have marks for the 30+ job, and hardly ever for the others. This could be coincidence, but appears to have a correlation driving it.

Not saying you're wrong, necessarily, but that observed correlation goes counter to what you just explained, so please provide a reference link.



I love that someone who is using personal experience as 'proof' is demanding a "reference link" (?) from someone who is doing the same.....

Anyways- in reference to the person who wanted marks to be tradeable... it sounded more to me that you would have them traded in immediatly after you complete the quest...

but- what if it COULD be... that the leve reward is "Guild Marks".. and whatever rank you complete/start the leve on is what gets the mark reward...?

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Hugus wrote:
Afraid this is incorrect.

Game says semothing like reduced benefits or something, this is because if you complete on the wrong class you get the Gil reward only, no marks whatsoever.


That's probably what I saw. Thanks for the clarification.
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I have 5 DOH jobs that received guild marks form somewhere before level 15 and my level 10 Gladiator gets way more level 20 guildleve cards than my lev 25 Pug. I just tell myself this is a new game they'll fix it.
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I have 5 DOH jobs that received guild marks form somewhere before level 15 and my level 10 Gladiator gets way more level 20 guildleve cards than my lev 25 Pug. I just tell myself this is a new game they'll fix it.

The mark rewards are somewhat random, they're not currently broken so won't likely get 'fixed'.
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#26 Dec 28 2010 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent
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http://img830.imageshack.us/i/guildmarks.jpg/

Here's an interesting screenshot I just took.

I was just lurking this thread and happened to be in the middle of doing my Fieldcraft leves.

You're supposed to get less marks if you're doing it on a class other than the one the marks were meant for. So if I do the leve as a BTN I get fewer Miner marks. However impossible that may be.

edited for a less convoluted way of explaining it and spelling

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Edited, Dec 28th 2010 3:17pm by coalesce78
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I swear some of you folks could complicate a stick.

Let's suppose you had chosen CON as your "main" class, but along they way you also ranked up GLA, THM, MRD, and LNC for whatever reason. So you peer into your magical crystal ball and find that out of 9 battlecraft leves available to you, you're being offered gil for two of them, and the remaining 7 are offering guild marks for all of your various different classes, with only one of those leves offering marks for CON. Does that mean that if you had only ranked up CON that you'd be offered CON marks for 7 of those leves?

NO!

It means you'd be offered guild marks for one leve and gil for 8. Do you know how I know this? Because my magical crystal ball is a rank 39 ARM that lets me see battlecraft leves up to rank 40 even though my highest rank combat class is rank 21. And do you know how many rank 40 battlecraft leves offer me marks right now? NONE OF THEM. The system generates leves each reset and for each of those leves it randomly selects a particular class for which to award guild marks. If you have that class at or above the appropriate rank, it will offer you marks for that class. If you do not have that class at or above the appropriate rank, it will offer you gil.

I'm not sure what makes any of you think that SE wants you to be pulling in tens of thousands of guild marks every reset but I can tell you straight up that combat classes have it so freaking easy in the guild marks category compared to DoH classes it's a night and day comparison. You can exchange leves and easily earn over 2k guild marks from a single battlecraft leve starting at rank 20. The most guild marks I've ever earned for a combat class was just over 5000 that I got from exchanging leves when I picked up a faction leve. You really think SE wants you picking up 4-7 more leves for 1-2k+ every reset?

Say hello to the guild mark grind, kids. It's working as intended.
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http://img830.imageshack.us/i/guildmarks.jpg/

Here's an interesting screenshot I just took.

I was just lurking this thread and happened to be in the middle of doing my Fieldcraft leves.

You're supposed to get less marks if you're doing it on a class other than the one the marks were meant for. So if I do the leve as a BTN I get fewer Miner marks. However impossible that may be.

edited for a less convoluted way of explaining it and spelling

Edited, Dec 28th 2010 3:17pm by coalesce78

Edited, Dec 28th 2010 3:17pm by coalesce78


0 is definitely "fewer" than any number of guild mark reward I've seen xD

That message is misleading, but technically not false.


Edited, Dec 28th 2010 4:39pm by Kahafer
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