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#1 Dec 27 2010 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
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This is to the people that did these leves.

For one week now i done stage 3 in bloodshore and broken water 3 times, total points spent 1600 point, and got Harlequin's Acton (mage body) and am GLD.

so that means i can't try it again till i get another 400 points, and i have 50% chance of drop rate and 10% chance of getting a stone that is for my class and around 1% to get a stone for the head (which i really care about).

what i think they should do is, allow you to exchange the item you get with any equivalent item from the NPC, like Harlequin's Acton for Templars Haubergean.

or make it one stone for all, no need a difrant type of stone for every type of gear.

what do you think?

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SE thinks that you have so much fun grinding faction and killing faction leve mobs that you don't care how long it takes to get stuff.
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My highest rank is 34 PUG and i havn't even gotten the ose Special Faction leves yet. Well i did get the one for the Dol class..... Its fricken ***, all you get is gill or guild marks. No items or gear or those dam tokens you need to trade in for the good gear. Its ***.
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#4 Dec 27 2010 at 1:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Frebaut wrote:
Its ***.


Dictionary wrote:

***
   /geɪ/ Show Spelled [gey] Show IPA adjective, -er, -est, noun, adverb
–adjective
1.
having or showing a merry, lively mood: *** spirits; *** music.
2.
bright or showy: *** colors; *** ornaments.
3.
given to or abounding in social or other pleasures: a *** social season.
4.
licentious; dissipated; wanton: The baron is a *** old rogue with an eye for the ladies.
5.
homosexual.
6.
of, indicating, or supporting homosexual interests or issues: a *** organization.


Which definition were you using, exactly?
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#5 Dec 27 2010 at 2:40 PM Rating: Default
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Olorinus the Vile wrote:
Frebaut wrote:
Its ***.


Dictionary wrote:

***
   /geɪ/ Show Spelled [gey] Show IPA adjective, -er, -est, noun, adverb
–adjective
1.
having or showing a merry, lively mood: *** spirits; *** music.
2.
bright or showy: *** colors; *** ornaments.
3.
given to or abounding in social or other pleasures: a *** social season.
4.
licentious; dissipated; wanton: The baron is a *** old rogue with an eye for the ladies.
5.
homosexual.
6.
of, indicating, or supporting homosexual interests or issues: a *** organization.


Which definition were you using, exactly?


do you really have to turn each post about one of the games functions that people don't like into sarcasm?
you're not helping no one here but driving people away from posting their opinions.
we all know you love the game but there are people that love this game but don't like some of its features, and by posting their opinions, the game gets better.
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daour wrote:
Olorinus the Vile wrote:
Frebaut wrote:
Its ***.


Dictionary wrote:

***
   /geɪ/ Show Spelled [gey] Show IPA adjective, -er, -est, noun, adverb
–adjective
1.
having or showing a merry, lively mood: *** spirits; *** music.
2.
bright or showy: *** colors; *** ornaments.
3.
given to or abounding in social or other pleasures: a *** social season.
4.
licentious; dissipated; wanton: The baron is a *** old rogue with an eye for the ladies.
5.
homosexual.
6.
of, indicating, or supporting homosexual interests or issues: a *** organization.


Which definition were you using, exactly?


do you really have to turn each post about one of the games functions that people don't like into sarcasm?
you're not helping no one here but driving people away from posting their opinions.
we all know you love the game but there are people that love this game but don't like some of its features, and by posting their opinions, the game gets better.



This has nothing to do with sarcasm, It is a valid point to make and "It's ***" is not only an offensive remark but also not fitting for this discussion. I am heterosexual but I still feel offended when peoples sexual preferences are used as slang for something that is undesirable.

"It's ***" is not constructive criticism that helps to improve the game in any way what so ever and I'm disgusted that you defend his choice of words.



Edited, Dec 27th 2010 3:56pm by GusMorgan
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#7 Dec 27 2010 at 3:04 PM Rating: Good
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GusMorgan wrote:


"It's ***" is not constructive criticism that helps to improve the game in any way what so ever and I'm disgusted that you defend his choice of words.


Edited, Dec 27th 2010 3:56pm by GusMorgan



This.
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#9 Dec 27 2010 at 4:17 PM Rating: Decent
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It's ***.
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You internet douchers ruined "epic" and "awesome" forever. You are in no position--absolutely no position--to criticize colloquial usage of words in the English language.

Faction NM drop rates are ***.

Not epic.

Not awesome.

***.

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daour wrote:
Olorinus the Vile wrote:
Frebaut wrote:
Its ***.


Dictionary wrote:

***
   /geɪ/ Show Spelled [gey] Show IPA adjective, -er, -est, noun, adverb
–adjective
1.
having or showing a merry, lively mood: *** spirits; *** music.
2.
bright or showy: *** colors; *** ornaments.
3.
given to or abounding in social or other pleasures: a *** social season.
4.
licentious; dissipated; wanton: The baron is a *** old rogue with an eye for the ladies.
5.
homosexual.
6.
of, indicating, or supporting homosexual interests or issues: a *** organization.


Which definition were you using, exactly?


do you really have to turn each post about one of the games functions that people don't like into sarcasm?
you're not helping no one here but driving people away from posting their opinions.
we all know you love the game but there are people that love this game but don't like some of its features, and by posting their opinions, the game gets better.


But you have to consider that, SE did not say Horn and Hand leves contains NM, correct? Horn and Hand special mission does not contain NM, it doesn't have a single fight, why did that guy expect it to drop runes? In fact, it has nothing relevant to your legit complain about how the NM mission turns out to be.
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Almalexia wrote:
You internet douchers ruined "epic" and "awesome" forever. You are in no position--absolutely no position--to criticize colloquial usage of words in the English language.

Faction NM drop rates are ***.

Not epic.

Not awesome.

***.


Highly agree here. As if people here are entitled to specific format of the English language simply because they post here every day.
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#13 Dec 27 2010 at 11:57 PM Rating: Good
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Highly agree here. As if people here are entitled to specific format of the English language simply because they post here every day.

Is it really so difficult to see why people might be offended at the use of a word that refers to a sexual orientation to mean "really bad"?

But, frankly, yes, people ARE entitled to a "specific format of the English language." They're entitled to a "format" that doesn't use slurs. And, yes, using the word "***" to mean "bad" is a slur. There's a direct and clear connection between the use of that word to mean "bad" and the the use of that word to be derogatory towards homosexuals. It's not a "the word happens to have different meanings" moment or anything -- the meanings are directly linked. I could come up with plenty of similar examples, but I'm not going to list them because those also would be slurs.

Use whatever slang you want, spell things however you want, don't punctuate or capitalise or make paragraph breaks, whatever. If I can understand you, I won't care. But don't use words that will definitely hurt some people when there are other words you could use instead. It's so damned easy to avoid racist or homophobic language -- there's no excuse for doing it anyway, unless you're TRYING to look like trailer trash.
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Highly agree here. As if people here are entitled to specific format of the English language simply because they post here every day.

Is it really so difficult to see why people might be offended at the use of a word that refers to a sexual orientation to mean "really bad"?

But, frankly, yes, people ARE entitled to a "specific format of the English language." They're entitled to a "format" that doesn't use slurs. And, yes, using the word "***" to mean "bad" is a slur. There's a direct and clear connection between the use of that word to mean "bad" and the the use of that word to be derogatory towards homosexuals. It's not a "the word happens to have different meanings" moment or anything -- the meanings are directly linked. I could come up with plenty of similar examples, but I'm not going to list them because those also would be slurs.

Use whatever slang you want, spell things however you want, don't punctuate or capitalise or make paragraph breaks, whatever. If I can understand you, I won't care. But don't use words that will definitely hurt some people when there are other words you could use instead. It's so damned easy to avoid racist or homophobic language -- there's no excuse for doing it anyway, unless you're TRYING to look like trailer trash.


Cannot agree more. Well said!
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#15 Dec 28 2010 at 1:11 AM Rating: Good
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can we get back to topic please?
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It could definitely do with being a bit more casual-friendly as is in keeping with the rest of the game. I've no problem with them adding content for the four-hour grind types, but these items should at least be obtainable by casual players over a longer period of time.

Can the item be exchanged with other players or sold, or is it untradeable? At least if you can trade it you could potentially trade for the headgear with someone else who wants your item. Its a messy system, but then I've found that's the way with all endgame equipment. Most developers are reluctant to make their best gear easy to obtain.
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#22 Dec 28 2010 at 3:14 AM Rating: Excellent
Guys, stay on topic. Discussion about homosexuality is best left for the OoT or Asylum forums, not FFXIV General Discussion. If you want to continue this argument, then take it to those forums or take it to private messages.
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#24 Dec 28 2010 at 8:47 AM Rating: Default
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It's ***. Really really ***. By ***, I am sarcasitically referring to a bright, cheerly and colofully optomistic situation to describe the color as being drab, dark, dim or the general opposite of bright. Aka "meaning 3" from the dictionary definition given above.

I personally know several homosexual men very well. One intimiately enough, I've carried him home many nights from drunken parties and real '***' men are confident enough they don't mind the word '***' being said all that much. Yes, ideally everyone should try not to use it derogatory in regards to a sexual preference, however, people being so strict about it on this board is a little rediculous.

I should mention I post here from time to time and as a man who dates a woman, I find the term cat extremely offensive as its a synoymn for the terms '*****' and '***** cat'. The word cat as said in 'acting' 'category' or spelt oddly out of order including 'act' I take great person offense to as I'll assuming you are negatively refering to my gf's sexual organ. Please do not use the term involving the letters 'a c t' in any scambled order in succession. Thank you. Its the new english rule I'm applying to these forums as I'm sure nobody wants me to be offended just the same as you wouldn't want there to be the possiblity of a homosexual person being offended. As a straight heterosexual male with a gf, I do have the same rights/previledges, don't I?
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The admins (one of which posted not 2 posts ago..) would like us to not discuss the topic of homosexuality in this thread as it has nothing to do with the intended topic..let's respect that shall we?

As to being able to essentially choose your gear from these leves. . I think that would be quite helpful, but I have to admit I didn't even think about it or expect it. The only other MMO I ever spent any time on was FFXI, and I remember waiting almost a year for 1 of 3 pant items to drop from salvage, after going at least once a week every week for over a year. When it comes to reward items that cost points from other things (be they assault points for salvage or faction points for leves) I never really expect much :/ Is that sad?
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The admins (one of which posted not 2 posts ago..) would like us to not discuss the topic of homosexuality in this thread as it has nothing to do with the intended topic..let's respect that shall we?

As to being able to essentially choose your gear from these levse. . I think that would be quite helpful, but I have to admit I didn't even think about it or expect it. The only other MMO I ever spent any time on was FFXI, and I remember waiting almost a year for 1 of 3 pant items to drop from salvage, after going at least once a week every week for over a year. When it comes to reward items that cost points from other things (be they assault points for salvage or faction points for leves) I never really expect much :/ Is that sad?


you cant choose, you fight an NM in a group of 10+ them it might drop a rune stone, chances are 50% or less, now what stone it drops is random, you might get a stone for mage or GLD stone, but still each part of the gear (head, body, feet) have different stone.

so if you dont get what you want, you need to trade the stone + items to the npc then /shout to trade the item you have with the item you want, if someone has it, and 2 days now am shouting with no luck
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#27 Dec 28 2010 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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I guess what I was inferring is that your idea made it so we would essentially be selecting our reward, not that we can now.
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You know, posts like the rampant idiocy in msconduct's post makes me *really* glad that the forums has an ignore feature.

OT, I agree and really don't see why they can't just have the leve at least drop something relevant to the class upon which you accept the leve (with the conditional that it requires you to complete it as that same class). Or, like you said, simply issue a token to turn in.

Pure gear dropping systems in MMOs are just archaic now; it's pointless when everything's utterly RNG. There needs to be some RNG in rewards, but in something like factionleves where you're spending a currency to engage in the activity anyway, they could at least give you something as compensation. All RNG like this ends up doing is punishing people for being unlucky as you could go forever and never get anything useful (unlikely, but random is random).
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I don't know a single MMO that doesn't use a RNG.

I do however think (if the threads I have been reading are accurate since I have no personal experience with faction NMs yet) it could use some improving. My idea would be to have specific pieces be able to drop from different NMs. One NM can drop the head pieces, however there can still be some RNG to see which piece it drops. In a group there is almost certain to be someone that needs that piece. I don't think having every NM be able to drop any piece is a good system, there is just way too many possibilities there.

NOTE: I could be miss-understanding how the drops currently work so sorry if that is the case.
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when I see RNG I automatically think ranger and it is making it very hard to understand the above posts. Someone help me out?
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#31 Dec 28 2010 at 2:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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when I see RNG I automatically think ranger and it is making it very hard to understand the above posts. Someone help me out?


Random Number Generator. In games they use to determine if you get the loot or not and which piece of loot. This is how I think of it. Say you have 36% chance to get a runestone and 64% to not get a runestone. The game assigns a value for each outcome, so if the RNG rolls a 1-36 you get the runestone but if it rolls a 37-100 you get nothing. OR it could be 1-64 nothing and 65-100 you get a runestone. Just depends on how they program it.

Then, there are 12 runestones in the game currently so there could another breakdown. If the RNG rolls:
1-3: Runestone A
4-6: B
7-9: C
10-12: D
13-15: E
16-18: F
19-21: G
22-24: H
25-27: I
28-30: J
31-33: K
34-36: L
37-100: No loot.




Edited, Dec 28th 2010 4:00pm by RoyalBrayden
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olaurelindorenan wrote:
when I see RNG I automatically think ranger and it is making it very hard to understand the above posts. Someone help me out?


Random Number Generator. In games they use to determine if you get the loot or not and which piece of loot. This is how I think of it. Say you have 36% chance to get a runestone and 64% to not get a runestone. The game assigns a value for each outcome, so if the RNG rolls a 1-36 you get the runestone but if it rolls a 37-100 you get nothing. OR it could be 1-64 nothing and 65-100 you get a runestone. Just depends on how they program it.

Then, there are 12 runestones in the game currently so there could another breakdown. If the RNG rolls:
1-3: Runestone A
4-6: B
7-9: C
10-12: D
13-15: E
16-18: F
19-21: G
22-24: H
25-27: I
28-30: J
31-33: K
34-36: L
37-100: No loot.




Edited, Dec 28th 2010 4:00pm by RoyalBrayden


Good explanation, but I wouldn't be surprised if they used a two roll system.

i.e. First roll determines either something drops, or it doesn't. Then the second roll (if roll succeeds to loot) determines exactly which piece of gear drops.

Melila wrote:
I don't know a single MMO that doesn't use a RNG.

I do however think (if the threads I have been reading are accurate since I have no personal experience with faction NMs yet) it could use some improving. My idea would be to have specific pieces be able to drop from different NMs. One NM can drop the head pieces, however there can still be some RNG to see which piece it drops. In a group there is almost certain to be someone that needs that piece. I don't think having every NM be able to drop any piece is a good system, there is just way too many possibilities there.

NOTE: I could be miss-understanding how the drops currently work so sorry if that is the case.


I'm well aware it exists. But the problem occurs when *everything* is RNG based in Risk vs Reward content. Players feel cheated because they can easily get screwed over and get *nothing* for their time based on SE's previous models and history with their MMOs (it's why you always see people that complain about endgame in FFXI always mention Sky and Dynamis; purely random chance that burnt and turned away a lot of people from the game).

RNG needs to exist, but there also needs to be some consolation prize. Even if say the NMs offered tokens, where you needed multiple ones to get a piece of gear (and to make it even the gear you could 'buy' isn't as good by design), then at least the time invested will have a MINIMUM reward for engaging.

Players always say "You should run content for the fun of it!" and people do.... once. If there's no acceptable rate of reward to continue to do so (which is what happens with pure RNG), they simply stop caring. That translates to wasted development time because the very nature of MMOs depend on people doing repetitive tasks for rewards.

And I know, personally, I'm getting too old and frustrated to be continually engage in something where I'm completely at mercy of the RNG. I absolutely hated it in FFXI, as it's the most poorly thought out timesink component period, and I hate that they seem to be continuing that line of content here yet again.

Edited, Dec 29th 2010 3:27am by StrijderVechter
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