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#1 Dec 27 2010 at 3:33 PM Rating: Good
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I'm interested in some feedback from anyone here, specifically if you have done anything with mobile hotspots, how it works for gaming, etc. I'm hesitant to commit to a 2-year Verizon contract without knowing for sure because it could be a pretty costly mistake to sign up, get a $200 smartphone, go gigabytes over the allowed cap, and have a $5000 phone bill. The Verizon rep was next to worthless and had few answers, so I'm asking here. Any feedback would be appreciated.

I'm either considering a dedicated mobile hotspot or a phone, like Droid Pro, that can become a mobile hotspot. I've got a Verizon cell now, so probably gonna stay with them since its near impossible to break contract without paying. I would use it with my laptop when I'm not at home for FFXIV, web browsing, etc. I'd probably stay away from youtube, torrents, etc that would hog bandwidth. I'll mainly be near metro areas, and probably in hotels and other places for business.

TL;DR Good idea/bad idea/even possible to play games like FFXIV on a network like this? What kind of bandwith does a game like FFXIV pull, since its streaming constantly? 3G network in my area has plan options of 1GB/3GB/5GB/10GB per month.



#2 Dec 27 2010 at 3:38 PM Rating: Good
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Friend of mine uses Verizon 3g tethered to his desktop, plays great.

FFXIV doesn't use much of his time at all, the game is very light on bandwidth..

Hope it helps.

Edited, Dec 27th 2010 4:39pm by DoctorMog
#3 Dec 27 2010 at 3:42 PM Rating: Decent
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DoctorMog wrote:
Friend of mine uses Verizon 3g tethered to his desktop, plays great.

Hope it helps.



Ew, really? Admittedly, I haven't tried with XIV, but my own home WI-FI didn't cut it for gaming. I ran CAT-5e through my house solely for gaming purposes. Nothing's worse than packet loss especially in the heat of battle.

Granted, the combat system in this game isn't mature enough like that of some competitors (WoW) that milliseconds make a difference in combat (for popping CDs, positioning, etc.) - the battles aren't all that complex yet (short of NMs, I haven't done those yet...)

In any case WI-FI is generally better than 3G/4G/WiMax (mobile hot spots) in terms of bandwidth and packet integrity... I'll take Mog's word for it but I am quite surprised.

I hope your friend has unlimited mobile data with no monthly cap...
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#4 Dec 27 2010 at 3:51 PM Rating: Good
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volta1 wrote:

I hope your friend has unlimited mobile data with no monthly cap...


This was mainly what I'm concerned with. This won't be my main internet connection, I have wired connections at home and the office. But I travel around 12 days a month, and won't always have access to wi-fi. I have loooong periods of intense boredom (waiting basically) when FFXIV would be fantastic to be able to boot up and play a bit.

I just want an acceptable connection (doesn't have to be lightning fast, lets face it FFXIV isn't exactly intense gaming - I can play with one finger half the time), and wanted to be assured that 3GB/5GB is going to be enough so I don't vastly exceed the limit and have large bills.
#5 Dec 27 2010 at 4:29 PM Rating: Excellent
Online gaming actually takes less data then just about anything on the internet but email. Four hours per day would only take up .59 GB of data per month. So If you game 24/7 you only use 3.54 GB of data per month.

Source: Verizon Data Calculator
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Yabusame the Wise wrote:
Online gaming actually takes less data then just about anything on the internet but email. Four hours per day would only take up .59 GB of data per month. So If you game 24/7 you only use 3.54 GB of data per month.

Source: Verizon Data Calculator



Very interesting, and a reference to boot! Thanks, Yabu.
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#7 Dec 27 2010 at 4:39 PM Rating: Decent
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If you do your updates on hardwire, you should be fine to just play the game via the phone. Just don't download any of the updates on it.

I played a few MMOs on basicaly slower than dial up, it wasn't the greatest but it got me my fix until I got home to a hardwire. With 3 and 4G I think things are a lot faster than what I was stuck with.
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#8 Dec 27 2010 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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Loris wrote:
volta1 wrote:

I hope your friend has unlimited mobile data with no monthly cap...


This was mainly what I'm concerned with. This won't be my main internet connection, I have wired connections at home and the office. But I travel around 12 days a month, and won't always have access to wi-fi. I have loooong periods of intense boredom (waiting basically) when FFXIV would be fantastic to be able to boot up and play a bit.

I just want an acceptable connection (doesn't have to be lightning fast, lets face it FFXIV isn't exactly intense gaming - I can play with one finger half the time), and wanted to be assured that 3GB/5GB is going to be enough so I don't vastly exceed the limit and have large bills.


I play the game on a tethered connection about 8 days each month. If you buy a Droid phone, you can get an App which is free, called PDAnet. http://www.junefabrics.com/android/ I actually bought it (16 bucks it unlocks HTTPS, Secured connections), because it is a great deal. The downside is you have to have your phone plugged in all the time, but its self charging and with a Wifi tether you would need to to be plugged in anyway to something cause it will drain your battery fast.

About DATA:
If you only surf the web and NO video then you will be fine, and never reach a 5 GB cap. If you do light youtube at 360p you will be fine also. I use about a 1-2GB of light surfing at leaving the game on for about 64 hours, I afk a lot.

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On this it all depends on, where your at and what tower your connected too. Some towers are just laggy and over populated, while some are perfect and you will get 1.3 mbps consistent. Ping on a good tower is 100-250ms which is perfect for any gaming. A bad tower will cause intermittent d.c you might lag out of the game, or get a lot of R0. This can depend on Weather, or happen randomly. Some times on a good tower, I will just d.c all night and either put up with it or just not play. Also if you use a the PDAnet, Incoming Text message will interrupt the data connection. This is because of Verizon's CDMA technology doesn't allow for both the Phone/text and data connections to work at the same time. I am not sure if this happens with the official solution because I heard it doesn't but I would assume it does, so if you do a lot of text while on the connection be wary, while most of the times you won't d.c you will R0 for a short time.

My advice would, get your Droid phone, don't get the Wifi tether just yet, cause it cost extra money. Check out PDAnet, and test it out that way. If you want a more official solution and it works out good, upgrade to the wifi tether support.(OR you can Root your phone and get it for free)

#9 Dec 28 2010 at 4:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Just from eyeballing the amount of data being downloaded while playing the game and doing nothing else, I'd say it's about an average of 6-7k/s overall. This will allow about 50 hours of gaming for a 1Gb limit.

I myself am using a 3G connection via air card. I have an unlimited connection for a monthly fee of about $45. I use it for both my PC at home and my laptop when I'm not home.



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#10 Dec 28 2010 at 10:44 AM Rating: Decent
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3G should be perfectly viable for FFXIV. 3G's basically a 2Mbps connection (around 200kb/s transfer rate), so it's definitely fast enough to play on. Only problem with it is instability, and that depends entirely on the amount of network usage clogging it up. As long as you're not looking to play twitch-reflex games like first-person shooters, you should be fine.
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Most of the "3G" connections in developed areas are now "3.5G," which goes up to 7.2Mbps theoretically. :)

I've only gotten up to 5Mbps downstream though.
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#12 Dec 29 2010 at 5:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can say this much for Verizon, I have nothing bad to say about their network or coverage. However their customer service is absolute garbage. I added a 5gb data plan to my phone for a 2 week trip last year, ended up using 750mb of it. When the bill came they never added the $50 5gb/mo to my plan, just charged me $1.99/mb. It took quite a bit of effort to get that $1500 mistake fixed.

This summer I received a double bill from Verizon, $360 or so. They claimed that they always bill a month in advance and that this was perfectly normal. Even though my bill had always been $180/mo up until that point, for the past 10 years. Yet again another long and difficult time on the phone with "customer service" to get it resolved. They refused to acknowledge it was a double billing and I had to get some manager to give me a credit to my account close to the value of one month of charges.

If Verizon could straighten up their customer service/billing issues I would recommend them in a heartbeat. But as it stands now I give anyone considering a heads up on the issues I've had. For what it's worth I'm still a customer of theirs.
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#13 Dec 29 2010 at 8:05 AM Rating: Good
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volta1 wrote:
DoctorMog wrote:
Friend of mine uses Verizon 3g tethered to his desktop, plays great.

Hope it helps.



Ew, really? Admittedly, I haven't tried with XIV, but my own home WI-FI didn't cut it for gaming. I ran CAT-5e through my house solely for gaming purposes. Nothing's worse than packet loss especially in the heat of battle.



SRS? FPS might be laggy on older wifi, MMO, not a problem! Wifi is perfectly fine and 3g is plenty serviceable as long as you are not USB tethering.


Edited, Dec 29th 2010 9:05am by Bakkasan
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#14 Dec 29 2010 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I can say this much for Verizon, I have nothing bad to say about their network or coverage. However their customer service is absolute garbage. I added a 5gb data plan to my phone for a 2 week trip last year, ended up using 750mb of it. When the bill came they never added the $50 5gb/mo to my plan, just charged me $1.99/mb. It took quite a bit of effort to get that $1500 mistake fixed.

This summer I received a double bill from Verizon, $360 or so. They claimed that they always bill a month in advance and that this was perfectly normal. Even though my bill had always been $180/mo up until that point, for the past 10 years. Yet again another long and difficult time on the phone with "customer service" to get it resolved. They refused to acknowledge it was a double billing and I had to get some manager to give me a credit to my account close to the value of one month of charges.

If Verizon could straighten up their customer service/billing issues I would recommend them in a heartbeat. But as it stands now I give anyone considering a heads up on the issues I've had. For what it's worth I'm still a customer of theirs.

This is exactly why I left Verizon and switched to AT&T. AT&T's coverage might suck (really, it's not bad at all if you mainly travel to major cities, plus it works at all the major mountains where I go snowboarding). Staring at a $1400 bill for no reason and having to fight tooth and nail to get it written off just wasn't worth the better service. I can't even count all the times Verizon tried to scam me into paying more than I should. It got to the point where I was spending hours reviewing my phone bills just to see if they didn't add some random calls and crap as an excuse to charge me more.
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When I used to play FFXIV I used my android phone as a mobile hotspot. It worked great; I'd recommend it to anyone.

The only thing I'd be concerned with is that you can't make voice calls and use the data connection at the same time if you're on a CDMA network (Sprint or Verizon). I use T-Mobile, so I never had to deal with this problem, but it's definitely something to watch out for if you go with the phone option.
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