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#1 Dec 30 2010 at 8:11 AM Rating: Decent
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is it just me or does every thread in these forums just end up being completely ridiculous? what happened to the forums being a place to find information and help each other? now they are just a place where people stat an OPINION then everyone tells them why they are wrong. ihave not even seen a thread go more than 5 or 6 posts and stay on topic. since peopel do not like the current stat of the game are they trying to make the forums the same way? so in my OPINION we need to quit all the stupid replys and get back to helping thoes in need and keep our half thought out bias opinions to ourselfs or post them elsewere. i mean comon the game is not perfect we all know this so lets use this time to get a good economy going so once they fix things "and they will at some point, maybe not to everyone liking but fixed none the less" and get a good player base that is helpfiul and make this game more enjoyable for all.
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and another rant thread.

I do agree with you but welcome to the internet. I hope you enjoy your stay.

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#3 Dec 30 2010 at 8:32 AM Rating: Good
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I do agree with you but welcome to the internet. I hope you enjoy your stay.


To be fair ZAM didn't used to be like this, and it mostly seems to only be the XIV forums. I think alot of people were frustrated and it turned them against eachother, obviously that became troll bait and now we're in an endless cycle.
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I do agree with you but welcome to the internet. I hope you enjoy your stay.


To be fair ZAM didn't used to be like this, and it mostly seems to only be the XIV forums. I think alot of people were frustrated and it turned them against eachother, obviously that became troll bait and now we're in an endless cycle.


Unfortenatly this is as straight to the point as I've experience so far, to more helpful topics you need to go to the specific class forums...
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In response to the title: members of other societies decided to try the game. They did not like the game, and instead of just going back to playing whatever type of game they like, they stuck around to troll forums, flame people, and overall just be a detriment to this community.
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In response to the title: members of other societies decided to try the game. They did not like the game, and instead of just going back to playing whatever type of game they like, they stuck around to troll forums, flame people, and overall just be a detriment to this community.



i copmpletely agree with you on this. but on the other hand there are people liek me that love dffxi so we had hopes this game would fill in the misisng part of our gaming enjoyment after getting burned out of ffxi over the last 8 years or how ever long it was. but then after getting into this game we have found that it does not comapre to our standards of how we loved ffxi. i guess its hard to say who is wrong in a situation like this but either way i feel if any of us no madder what parts of the game we love or hate want the game to make it we need to keep a good society. no mmo will be good if everyone spends all their time complaing about how they thhink somthing should be changed or why what someone else thinks is wrong. we need to focus on the good things and be patient while SE fixes the other parts. making new threads about how sp. leves or the ui or broken every other day helps nothing or fighing about if this is casual or what casual maens, comparing this to wow or any other game even ffxi all of this has been done and we all have our thoughts and by now shoudl know that most of us are sticking to what we think. i know forums are meant to have soem agruments over issues but they can also be in ther form of a conversation not just hacking at each other.
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Uryuu wrote:
In response to the title: members of other societies decided to try the game. They did not like the game, and instead of just going back to playing whatever type of game they like, they stuck around to troll forums, flame people, and overall just be a detriment to this community.

That's exactly what happened, trolling in the name of improving the game. Although, I have seen no improvements directly related to the trolling on the fan sites. I don't get the correlation so many people are trying to make.

SE has a feedback form on the support site, if you have a complaint or suggestion that's the best place for it. Everything else turns into a flame fest and is a detriment to the community.
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Though I do agree that the discontent did just hang around to 'troll' 'flame' and cause problems, I think that..

1. The game is still too much in it's infancy to start to create a society that should eventually rival that of FFXI's. If XIV had a more solid launch, perhaps it would be well on it's way to being established at this point, but certain delays should be expected at this point.

2. There isn't enough content yet to really discuss. The ZAM XI forums were always buzzing with discussions regarding what class was best for what job, best places to level, how to craft what weapon, what steps it took to complete any one of the 1000's of NPC quests or missions, etc. There was A LOT more mystery to just about every aspect of the game.
It seems in XIV everything is just laid out on the table for us. There is very little vagueness (is that a word?) regarding anything. All the recipes have been supplied to us, the Levequests have all the information players need to finish them without getting involved in the story at all, NPC quests are non-existent, and the 'Main Storyline' outline has already been uncovered.

With no content, bugs galore and a sadly disappointing launch, what to people have left to do but troll and complain?
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With no content, bugs galore and a sadly disappointing launch, what to people have left to do but troll and complain?

Behest and leves are content, repetitive or not. They are what you make of them, really. They can be easy 5 min kill fests or can be challenging in a small group at higher level camps.

I think for those of us that are left, it's the in-game community that keeps us coming back. I don't see any of the negativity in-game that I see on the fan sites. The issue with the community is a zam problem (and ffxivcore if you're a member there), not an FFXIV problem.
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#10 Dec 30 2010 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
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now they are just a place where people stat an OPINION then everyone tells them why they are wrong.


At the risk of pointing out the obvious, I can't think of -any- "opinion" that can be stated that SOMEONE wouldn't disagree with. That's the thing about opinions; if no one would disagree with it, it's probably a fact, not an opinion. If it's an opinion, you can bet that someone is going to disagree with you. If someone wants to point out how and why they disagree, are they not voicing -their- opinion? Or are you trying to say that in any given thread, only the OP's opinion should be taken as valid, no one should disagree with them; anyone who disagrees should start a new thread, and that every thread should be nothing but people agreeing with each other?

As for the game itself, the one point that MOST people agree on is that the game needs improvement. (A few people disagree and believe the game is 100% fine). Then from there, you have the people who disagree over HOW the game needs improvement. Some think the game needs an AH and some don't. Some think the game needs to focus on travel (Chocobos and airships) and others think it needs to focus on lower level content. Some think the payment system needs improvement and others think it is fine. Some think the priority should be function (Mailboxes, ingame mail) and others think the priority should be "stuff to do". Some people think PvP should be added and others think it should not.

The game is pretty much a lump of clay right now; it has a lot of potential for what it could eventually be, but what we have now is a bunch of people tugging at it and stretching it because no one can agree on whether it should be a bowl, a plate, a sculpture, or what.

It's just like a baby; most people can agree that the baby is nice and all, but look at how many parents will argue breast feeding vs bottle feeding, when to introduce it to television, how to dress it, how to decorate the baby's room, what type of diapers to use... if people will argue about how to properly -burp- a baby, I don't see how it's surprising that people would argue over what FFXIV (our collective baby) needs to grow and thrive.

Arguing is not inherently a bad thing. In fact I'd say that while this very post is arguing against the opinion in your OP, I feel like you're likely to see that I have a point.
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#11 Dec 30 2010 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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What happened to the FF society?

Well, it's like this: SE promised us a feast...
...and delivered a meal of bread and water.

Now, we are resorting to cannibalism.

Dibs on the breastmeat.
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#12 Dec 30 2010 at 10:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Frito3434 wrote:
now they are just a place where people stat an OPINION then everyone tells them why they are wrong.


At the risk of pointing out the obvious, I can't think of -any- "opinion" that can be stated that SOMEONE wouldn't disagree with. That's the thing about opinions; if no one would disagree with it, it's probably a fact, not an opinion. If it's an opinion, you can bet that someone is going to disagree with you. If someone wants to point out how and why they disagree, are they not voicing -their- opinion? Or are you trying to say that in any given thread, only the OP's opinion should be taken as valid, no one should disagree with them; anyone who disagrees should start a new thread, and that every thread should be nothing but people agreeing with each other?

As for the game itself, the one point that MOST people agree on is that the game needs improvement. (A few people disagree and believe the game is 100% fine). Then from there, you have the people who disagree over HOW the game needs improvement. Some think the game needs an AH and some don't. Some think the game needs to focus on travel (Chocobos and airships) and others think it needs to focus on lower level content. Some think the payment system needs improvement and others think it is fine. Some think the priority should be function (Mailboxes, ingame mail) and others think the priority should be "stuff to do". Some people think PvP should be added and others think it should not.

The game is pretty much a lump of clay right now; it has a lot of potential for what it could eventually be, but what we have now is a bunch of people tugging at it and stretching it because no one can agree on whether it should be a bowl, a plate, a sculpture, or what.

It's just like a baby; most people can agree that the baby is nice and all, but look at how many parents will argue breast feeding vs bottle feeding, when to introduce it to television, how to dress it, how to decorate the baby's room, what type of diapers to use... if people will argue about how to properly -burp- a baby, I don't see how it's surprising that people would argue over what FFXIV (our collective baby) needs to grow and thrive.

Arguing is not inherently a bad thing. In fact I'd say that while this very post is arguing against the opinion in your OP, I feel like you're likely to see that I have a point.



you are 100% right and for one main reason you give reaons why you have this opinion your not just saying the op "me in this example" is wrong but giving reason why they are wrong. of cours epeopel are not going to agree with everyone elses opinions that is what makes even having a conversation interesting for the most part but theres a difference between disagreeing with reasons why and just disagreeing for the sake of argument.
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At the risk of pointing out the obvious, I can't think of -any- "opinion" that can be stated that SOMEONE wouldn't disagree with. That's the thing about opinions; if no one would disagree with it, it's probably a fact, not an opinion. If it's an opinion, you can bet that someone is going to disagree with you. If someone wants to point out how and why they disagree, are they not voicing -their- opinion?

It would be great if this is how the forums were lately. But in recent months I've noticed a definite shift in the frequency of the following situation:

Someone states an opinion, many times non-troll-ly (hoping to start discussion)
1 of 2 things happen:
Option A - A couple people start legitimately debating the points, before the usual douchebags come in and start slinging poo all over the place, and the thread goes into non-productive, non-informative, non-discussion arguments (spurred on by the douchebag).
Option B - The usual douchebags come in immediately and start slinging poo all over the place, and the thread goes into non-productive, non-informative, non-discussion arguments (spurred on by the douchebag).

I agree with the OP in that it's impossible to have a real discussion anymore, let alone a mature debate around either of the FF forums lately. And in both places, it seems to be the same people on douchebag duty. You know who you are. Anyway I think this is what he's trying to express here, and making a pledge to ignore them and try to participate positively in threads from now on. Which more people should do.

Yes these forums used to be awesome, and the douchebags were generally ignored. But as the mature old players quit, and new people joined up, somehow the douchebags became the most frequent posting 'senior figures', and new people picked up the habit from them. I still stick around and call them out on their BS once in a while, but I don't have the time to post all day like they usually do. And they're never interested in hearing anything others have to say anyway, they're just there to **** on everyone's day.

Douchebags!

Edited, Dec 30th 2010 11:54am by RattyBatty
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At the risk of pointing out the obvious, I can't think of -any- "opinion" that can be stated that SOMEONE wouldn't disagree with. That's the thing about opinions; if no one would disagree with it, it's probably a fact, not an opinion. If it's an opinion, you can bet that someone is going to disagree with you. If someone wants to point out how and why they disagree, are they not voicing -their- opinion?

It would be great if this is how the forums were lately. But in recent months I've noticed a definite shift in the frequency of the following situation:

Someone states an opinion, many times non-troll-ly (hoping to start discussion)
1 of 2 things happen:
Option A - A couple people start legitimately debating the points, before the usual douchebags come in and start slinging poo all over the place, and the thread goes into non-productive, non-informative, non-discussion arguments (spurred on by the douchebag).
Option B - The usual douchebags come in immediately and start slinging poo all over the place, and the thread goes into non-productive, non-informative, non-discussion arguments (spurred on by the douchebag).

I agree with the OP in that it's impossible to have a real discussion anymore, let alone a mature debate around either of the FF forums lately. And in both places, it seems to be the same people on douchebag duty. You know who you are. Anyway I think this is what he's trying to express here, and making a pledge to ignore them and try to participate positively in threads from now on. Which more people should do.

Yes these forums used to be awesome, and the douchebags were generally ignored. But as the mature old players quit, and new people joined up, somehow the douchebags became the most frequent posting 'senior figures', and new people picked up the habit from them. I still stick around and call them out on their BS once in a while, but I don't have the time to post all day like they usually do. And they're never interested in hearing anything others have to say anyway, they're just there to sh*t on everyone's day.

Douchebags!

Edited, Dec 30th 2010 11:54am by RattyBatty



thank you for acually taking the time to think about the point i was trying to make even tho it was not worded the best way i could have been. its good to know there are still people with hope sof having a real conversation about an issue. i may not have the post records that most do but that is many because in ffxi i did not need to post sinc ei tend ot be a little slower than most in game porgression " i like to mess around killing stuff i shouldnt or cant" i usually do not have the knowledge to post on newer topics. but none the las si am beging to feel that these forums are of no use for anything anymore but hope others do not feel the same way since im pretty sure zam gets a lot of thier information from the peopel in the forums so we do need these peopel to get the information to a place we can all find it. forme tho i think the forums are all but useless untill the overall tone changes.

sorry for bad typing idk why but when i try to go back and edit it wont let me add new charaters it just copies over the next word and i dont feel like typing everything again.
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#16 Dec 30 2010 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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theres a difference between disagreeing with reasons why and just disagreeing for the sake of argument.


No there isn't!


...but no, seriously.

Like you said, there's a huge difference between "I disagree, and this is why..." versus "No, you're wrong and you're a moron" and leaving it at that.

I won't say that people aren't entitled to differing opinions and I certainly won't say that everyone has to agree with what -my- opinions are, but I will say that if you don't have a supplemental argument and points to support it and your counterargument is just contradiction, then there's really no point in arguing.

Otherwise you're left with this.
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While I agree with most of the stuff being discussed here, it should be mentioned that the "amazing ffxi community" was also overrated. Yea, I know, blasphemy! But similar to the game itself, memories of XI's community seem to often be viewed with rose-tinted glasses as well(conveniently leaving out all the negatives). It was populated with many of the childish gamers that are playing XIV now, myself includedSmiley: smile. I think that partially explains what happened to the community as well...

Edited, Dec 30th 2010 1:18pm by TwistedOwl
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While I agree with most of the stuff being discussed here, it should be mentioned that the "amazing ffxi community" was also overrated. Yea, I know, blasphemy! But similar to the game itself, memories of XI's community seem to often be viewed with rose-tinted glasses as well(conveniently leaving out all the negatives). It was populated with many of the childish gamers that are playing XIV now, myself includedSmiley: smile. I think that partially explains what happened to the community as well...

Edited, Dec 30th 2010 1:18pm by TwistedOwl


Counterpoint: FFXI's community was built around a game that required a group to progress, with a population small enough to remember who the helpful people and who the negative people were. Conversely, FFXIV is much more soloable and therefore doesn't really -force- you to socialize and become known as a helpful, intelligent player like XI did. That's not so say that some people (more notably crafters than anyone else) won't become well known for better or for worse, but that between a retainer system that inherently masks the names of the person you're buying from and a combat system that can be tackled singlehandedly, the game doesn't have such harsh social penalties for being antisocial, impolite, or incompetent like XI did.

Of course one could make the argument that XI's community was never truly helpful, but only helpful and polite on the surface out of necessity, and that the lack of need for this behavior in XIV has brought out the true nature of the same players who no longer find themselves -needing- to help other people lest they not get help themselves (since they no longer need it), or even to go a step further and cynically state that the bulk of humanity in general is only as polite and courteous as they need to be to accomplish their own goals. I'm not sure I want to believe it, but the point -could- be made.

In the end, my belief is as stated; that since the game doesn't -require- the level of camaraderie and cooperation that XI did, people don't feel the need to exhibit it.

I guess that's why I prefer a game that is inherently designed in such a way to make it impossible (or extremely difficult) to solo your way to the level cap; when the game -forces- you to depend on people, you end up playing with people who seem to be more polite.

Again, the argument could be made that they aren't actually polite; it's just a facade... but sometimes a facade of courtesy could be preferable to honest jackassery. Personal preference.
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Right off the bat I can tell you havent been on launch forums very often lately

they ALL degenerate into mass complaining, every mmo for the last few years.

you shoulda seen how bad Aions forums were
champions, STos, just to name a few others
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Right off the bat I can tell you havent been on launch forums very often lately

they ALL degenerate into mass complaining, every mmo for the last few years.


As bad as I thought Aion was, I think it's worse here. I actually enjoyed myself on the Aion forums. On my server forum, there was "stuff" to discuss, and the pvp aspect also brought about daily rants/cheers to the forums. What is there to talk about with a behest? Attack red mob...done, or "QQ I didn't get an invite!" Looking at ffxiv forums, I can't help it to say that the problem is the game, not the community. As the game matures, I can see changes happening, but it will take some time.

The FFXIV community also doesn't have a central location to browse. Sure the Aion forums were complete garbabe at the start, other forums became the favorite. However, as time went on I felt a lot of the forum goers moved onto the NCSoft website.
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
TwistedOwl wrote:
While I agree with most of the stuff being discussed here, it should be mentioned that the "amazing ffxi community" was also overrated. Yea, I know, blasphemy! But similar to the game itself, memories of XI's community seem to often be viewed with rose-tinted glasses as well(conveniently leaving out all the negatives). It was populated with many of the childish gamers that are playing XIV now, myself includedSmiley: smile. I think that partially explains what happened to the community as well...

Edited, Dec 30th 2010 1:18pm by TwistedOwl


Counterpoint: FFXI's community was built around a game that required a group to progress, with a population small enough to remember who the helpful people and who the negative people were. Conversely, FFXIV is much more soloable and therefore doesn't really -force- you to socialize and become known as a helpful, intelligent player like XI did. That's not so say that some people (more notably crafters than anyone else) won't become well known for better or for worse, but that between a retainer system that inherently masks the names of the person you're buying from and a combat system that can be tackled singlehandedly, the game doesn't have such harsh social penalties for being antisocial, impolite, or incompetent like XI did.

Of course one could make the argument that XI's community was never truly helpful, but only helpful and polite on the surface out of necessity, and that the lack of need for this behavior in XIV has brought out the true nature of the same players who no longer find themselves -needing- to help other people lest they not get help themselves (since they no longer need it), or even to go a step further and cynically state that the bulk of humanity in general is only as polite and courteous as they need to be to accomplish their own goals. I'm not sure I want to believe it, but the point -could- be made.

In the end, my belief is as stated; that since the game doesn't -require- the level of camaraderie and cooperation that XI did, people don't feel the need to exhibit it.

I guess that's why I prefer a game that is inherently designed in such a way to make it impossible (or extremely difficult) to solo your way to the level cap; when the game -forces- you to depend on people, you end up playing with people who seem to be more polite.

Again, the argument could be made that they aren't actually polite; it's just a facade... but sometimes a facade of courtesy could be preferable to honest jackassery. Personal preference.


Yea, I agree it's a lot of that too. Pretty much the thread we had a while back about content vs community. My initial post was more of a counter to some of the above posts that kinda just pushed the blame on "people coming from other games". Which could in fact be another part of it, but I think it's important to add that many people playing XIV have an overrated view of XI to begin with. Kinda like how I view Chronotrigger & FFVISmiley: grin. The fond memories of XI and its community sometimes hide the reality that was there all along...
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I think our community is just fine and finally the scars of the horrible launch are starting to heal. Updates and patches are coming in at a steady pace. every update brings new things for us to take in and figure out.

Se giving us things on a platter is not like their approach of XI, where the community had to figure it out for the most part. This is a growing trend in most MMO's things are meant to direct us through things, its not a new concept and lends itself to the more casual player mindset. Which is I want to do this, how do I do it, and boom I got it done woo hoo. which in itself right now is perfectly fine.

As new content rolls in we'll see more challenging stuff arrive, new quests, leve's, nm's, eventually an expansion. I am really looking for more customization to the UI and an optional auto attack feature that will allow players to one button turn auto attack on and off like z is for aoe. This will improve in fight communication and co-ordination.

What I hope not to see and has ruined a game I found fun was threat and damage meters, personally those I never liked. I do like WOW and most of the user made add-ons especially the UI ones for maximizing ability usage otherwise I prefer playing with out. I like the mystery of not knowing how a fight will turn out or not knowing exactly when an NM will flail or do an alliance crippling attack.

As this games grows and evolves as I hope it will I believe we as a community will start seeing more of the posts we miss seeing. The ones asking for help and the whole community thinking and responding cohesively to help each other out.
There is a lot of growth happening on a daily basis. truth be told I am seeing more and more people online as of late.
On Figaro people are starting to talk to each other in /s and /shout. Behest in Ul'dah and LL has been quite busy, grid I dunno don't spend much time there.

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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
TwistedOwl wrote:
While I agree with most of the stuff being discussed here, it should be mentioned that the "amazing ffxi community" was also overrated. Yea, I know, blasphemy! But similar to the game itself, memories of XI's community seem to often be viewed with rose-tinted glasses as well(conveniently leaving out all the negatives). It was populated with many of the childish gamers that are playing XIV now, myself includedSmiley: smile. I think that partially explains what happened to the community as well...

Edited, Dec 30th 2010 1:18pm by TwistedOwl


Counterpoint: FFXI's community was built around a game that required a group to progress, with a population small enough to remember who the helpful people and who the negative people were. Conversely, FFXIV is much more soloable and therefore doesn't really -force- you to socialize and become known as a helpful, intelligent player like XI did. That's not so say that some people (more notably crafters than anyone else) won't become well known for better or for worse, but that between a retainer system that inherently masks the names of the person you're buying from and a combat system that can be tackled singlehandedly, the game doesn't have such harsh social penalties for being antisocial, impolite, or incompetent like XI did.

Of course one could make the argument that XI's community was never truly helpful, but only helpful and polite on the surface out of necessity, and that the lack of need for this behavior in XIV has brought out the true nature of the same players who no longer find themselves -needing- to help other people lest they not get help themselves (since they no longer need it), or even to go a step further and cynically state that the bulk of humanity in general is only as polite and courteous as they need to be to accomplish their own goals. I'm not sure I want to believe it, but the point -could- be made.

In the end, my belief is as stated; that since the game doesn't -require- the level of camaraderie and cooperation that XI did, people don't feel the need to exhibit it.

I guess that's why I prefer a game that is inherently designed in such a way to make it impossible (or extremely difficult) to solo your way to the level cap; when the game -forces- you to depend on people, you end up playing with people who seem to be more polite.

Again, the argument could be made that they aren't actually polite; it's just a facade... but sometimes a facade of courtesy could be preferable to honest jackassery. Personal preference.


Yea, I agree it's a lot of that too. Pretty much the thread we had a while back about content vs community. My initial post was more of a counter to some of the above posts that kinda just pushed the blame on "people coming from other games". Which could in fact be another part of it, but I think it's important to add that many people playing XIV have an overrated view of XI to begin with. Kinda like how I view Chronotrigger & FFVISmiley: grin. The fond memories of XI and its community sometimes hide the reality that was there all along...


Oh man, don't get me started on the word "overrated" and the people/games I think that applies to...

Perhaps I am looking back on XI with rose-colored glasses, but I enjoyed XI a lot more than I enjoy XIV, and I know I'm not the only one who wishes that magic was in XIV.

On a similar note, ever notice how Christmas is so much more fun when you're trying to force yourself asleep in the hopes of Santa bringing you lots of presents compared to when you're trying to force yourself to sleep in the hopes that your out of town relatives won't be insufferable, you'll be able to pay your bills in January, you won't have to return anything on the week after Christmas and go to ANY retail store...

I think the contrast to "The grass is always greener on the other side" is that whenever you get over the fence, you come to realize the the grass looks a lot browner than it used to be.

Perhaps the thing that keeps me; no, keeps ALL of us from enjoying games any more is that we're too jaded from how great [we thought] games used to be. I mean, I'll defend to the death my belief that the NES/SNES/Early PS1 era was the golden age of gaming and it has gone down the ******* ever since, but perhaps it's not unlike drugs in that your best high is your first high, and you come to need more and more to reach a level that once would have made you happy. If you objectively compare the gameplay of newer games to their older counterparts, it always seems like the newer games are better on paper, yet we always enjoyed the older ones more.

I'm too young to be so old.
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:

Oh man, don't get me started on the word "overrated" and the people/games I think that applies to...

Perhaps I am looking back on XI with rose-colored glasses, but I enjoyed XI a lot more than I enjoy XIV, and I know I'm not the only one who wishes that magic was in XIV.

On a similar note, ever notice how Christmas is so much more fun when you're trying to force yourself asleep in the hopes of Santa bringing you lots of presents compared to when you're trying to force yourself to sleep in the hopes that your out of town relatives won't be insufferable, you'll be able to pay your bills in January, you won't have to return anything on the week after Christmas and go to ANY retail store...

I think the contrast to "The grass is always greener on the other side" is that whenever you get over the fence, you come to realize the the grass looks a lot browner than it used to be.

Perhaps the thing that keeps me; no, keeps ALL of us from enjoying games any more is that we're too jaded from how great [we thought] games used to be. I mean, I'll defend to the death my belief that the NES/SNES/Early PS1 era was the golden age of gaming and it has gone down the sh*tter ever since, but perhaps it's not unlike drugs in that your best high is your first high, and you come to need more and more to reach a level that once would have made you happy. If you objectively compare the gameplay of newer games to their older counterparts, it always seems like the newer games are better on paper, yet we always enjoyed the older ones more.

I'm too young to be so old.


There was some interesting dialogue in the alchemy quest line that caught my attention and kinda fits here... a kid says somethin' like "That's so sad. Us kids never want to go to sleep, but grownups never want to wake up."(Not much of a spoiler really, but just in case)
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