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#1 Dec 30 2010 at 9:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a serious (non-trolling) question here. A huge component of the FFXIV experience (if you wish to level more quickly) is just mob grinding out in the world. Those of you who do it, how can you do it without becoming frustrated or just flat out disgustedly bored? I actually tried to grind yesterday. I killed two dodos and when I saw the meager experience result, I just laughed, went back to camp, did a behest and logged off.

Seriously, how do you all do it?
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#3 Dec 30 2010 at 9:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't. I do leves and behests instead. Not only do I do my own leves with a group, but when I run out, I help my LS mates with theirs. It's entirely possible to can gain a rank a day that way.
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#4 Dec 30 2010 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
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I agree grinding is insanely boring, I dont know how people grind to 50. I would go insane!
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I don't. I do leves and behests instead. Not only do I do my own leves with a group, but when I run out, I help my LS mates with theirs. It's entirely possible to can gain a rank a day that way.


Yes, I've heard that can be done, but I don't think I've seen any of that. Then again, communications outside a linkshell is almost non-existent so I may just not see the grouping and whatnot.

I think I'll try that. Thank you :)
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Behest and leves are the most time efficient way. just go to the Battlewarden spawn point 5 min before the hour and either join a group or start inviting the others standing around.
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There's no need to even look for party members honestly, just go to any battlewarden at the top of the hour, and party members will come to you. Once you're in the behest group,just ask if anyone wants to stay for leves afterwords. 90% of the time a few people will say yes.
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#8 Dec 30 2010 at 9:19 AM Rating: Decent
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whiel i pesonally do not mind grinding for for a few hours here and there ther eis one thing that i have found to make it more enjoyable. level a craft that requires you to farm a lot of mats that drop form certain mobs and go "farming" and you will be getting nats for your craft and getting exp/sp. another thing i tend to do thta is not exactly the most time efficent is to find thing to fight that are just a little to high for you and find ways ot kill them. the exp per hopur will be very low but just keeping in mind that you are finding a way to etter use your skills and finding a way to kill the mob faster brings me a lot of entertainment as well as a some exp.


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#9 Dec 30 2010 at 9:21 AM Rating: Default
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I didn't. I'd do leves and log out for 2 days.

that was until I got that **** Wight leve two resets in a row, and lost both times because each pair of wights wouldn't leave the other pair it was next to. Now I just don't play.
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I didn't. I'd do leves and log out for 2 days.

that was until I got that **** Wight leve two resets in a row, and lost both times because each pair of wights wouldn't leave the other pair it was next to. Now I just don't play.




how many other games do you not play and go to the forums and troll?

plase no one repsond to this post i just cant stand these kind of peopel so had to say something.
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For a challenge try gouping up with people at similar ranks as you and do the behest at the next higher rank camps. For example, I'm at rank 31, so I'll go to the the rank 40 camp with others ranking 31 - 35. These camps tend to be less crowded than the r20s for example, so it makes something like that more feasible.

...so for those that didn't catch that, there are ways of making this game challenging and fun. It's not just about grinding coblyns and doblyns for 50 ranks, getting easy fast SP.



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#12 Dec 30 2010 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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If you are talking about solo grinding, I wouldn't do it even if I got paid. Duo/trio though is fun and I grind a couple hours every day with friends. The battle system is enjoyable, its fun to incapacitate monsters and develop strategies for taking them down faster. The SP is quite good too at about 10k/ hour Which means I can get a rank every 7-8 hours (40+).

Personally I dont like leves so I'm glad that small party grinding is an option.

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#13 Dec 30 2010 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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yeah I only grind mobs when I am looking for mats. I don't really worry about ranking up my DoM/DoW - I use them to farm - do leves and do behest. I like taking some mats and parking at a camp and doing some grinding till behest - then I switch to my THM and do behest... then I might do something else like fish.

I have a short attention span. I generally don't do much all at once.
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I didn't. I'd do leves and log out for 2 days.

that was until I got that **** Wight leve two resets in a row, and lost both times because each pair of wights wouldn't leave the other pair it was next to. Now I just don't play.


Ever heard of asking for help? This is an MMO. Quitting cause you can't solo the whole thing is pretty childish.
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#15 Dec 30 2010 at 11:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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@Hexa

im just looking at the level in your signature when i make these suggestions so keep that in mind.

FIrst off, measly SP gains, what exactly do you think you should be getting per kill? Are you wanting high SP per kill, regardless of how long it takes, or High SP gains per hour?


If you want per hour, dodos ARE NOT the way to go. They take too long to kill for the SP they give. which while it isnt bad, isnt efficient.

at 15 what i do, is i go out to skull valley, and i destroy sheep and puk hatchlings(there a large area south of camp you can do this at)
they give anywhere from 75-150 SP each still, and you can kill them so quickly you are gaining 10-15k per hour(enough for a full level still in an hour)


If you are looking for per kill SP, you arent thinking of it in the correct manner and i think you should rethink your fighting habits
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KujaKoF wrote:
I didn't. I'd do leves and log out for 2 days.

that was until I got that **** Wight leve two resets in a row, and lost both times because each pair of wights wouldn't leave the other pair it was next to. Now I just don't play.


Not to jump on the bandwagon that is flaming this poster, but srsly? It doesnt sound like this poster has given anything in the game much of a chance. If someone only wants to log in every couple of days and do leves, alone or in groups, then that's fine. However, don't get frustrated that you're not leveling fast enough if you aren't going to put in the time to play. As far as getting rotten leves every reset; that is part of the challenge of the game. Yes getting the Wight Stuff two resets in a row can be annoying, but it also gives you something to conquer. If you cant do it solo at your rank, then enlist some friends to help or wait until you are a higher rank. I had blogged earlier in the year that Lightsome Verdure was a bullsh*t leve because I could never get the drops required to complete it without running out of time. However, when I finally did start to beat the leve, (cuz i ranked a couple of times and started doing it in groups instead of solo), it has become one of my favorite leves to do due to the prodigious amount of SP that a group can squeeze out of it. So before anybody gets frustrated and quits; just remember that the hurdles in this game are meant to be overcome and in a game with so little content, the challenge of tougher leves is a welcome addition.
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rated you up moemoe, great post!
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At rank 15 you should do r10 leves with Guardians Aspect on, on 3-5 stars (start high and lower if you get pwned) for sp solo.

If you want to group, do r20 leves with people along with behests. Doing these activities will get you fast sp and also teach you more about your job and party play.

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As far as grinding is concerned, I am usually trying to find Doblyn as they are fast and quite good SP, specially if I don't have time for leves partying. At my rank, I can get like around 100 SP per kill, which takes around 30s. So that even if I play only 15minutes, I can have the feeling to progressing without getting boring, which is all about when casual gamer as I am.
Solo guildleves doesn't seem to be as good with all the running and the time it takes to kill mobs so I just keep them when in need of money of when I have enough time to party for them.
Moreover, small grind party works also pretty good as the cut in SP is not huge and makes the killing even faster but for that, a camp with enough mobs and fast respawn is needed, which can be found with a bit of exploration.

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#20 Dec 30 2010 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
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Those of you who do it, how can you do it without becoming frustrated or just flat out disgustedly bored?

Seriously, how do you all do it?


I couldn't just grind. I'd go crazy. I usually find somthing else to occupy my mind, like watch a movie on my laptop or listen to a podcast. I kind of zone in and out of XIV and then when I check I've racked up half a level.


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I didn't. I'd do leves and log out for 2 days.

that was until I got that **** Wight leve two resets in a row, and lost both times because each pair of wights wouldn't leave the other pair it was next to. Now I just don't play.


Ever heard of asking for help? This is an MMO. Quitting cause you can't solo the whole thing is pretty childish.


Honestly, yes I did. Nobody at camp answered. Friendlist was empty, linkshells were empty.

I'm mad that twice in a row now, I've failed a harder than average leve due to poor pathing on the difficulty and level its supposed to be soloable on. Thats what the one star means, I should be able to solo it. Maybe its bad luck or whatever, but it made it not fun, so not gonna bother.

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I didn't. I'd do leves and log out for 2 days.

that was until I got that **** Wight leve two resets in a row, and lost both times because each pair of wights wouldn't leave the other pair it was next to. Now I just don't play.


Not to jump on the bandwagon that is flaming this poster, but srsly? It doesnt sound like this poster has given anything in the game much of a chance. If someone only wants to log in every couple of days and do leves, alone or in groups, then that's fine. However, don't get frustrated that you're not leveling fast enough if you aren't going to put in the time to play. As far as getting rotten leves every reset; that is part of the challenge of the game. Yes getting the Wight Stuff two resets in a row can be annoying, but it also gives you something to conquer. If you cant do it solo at your rank, then enlist some friends to help or wait until you are a higher rank. I had blogged earlier in the year that Lightsome Verdure was a bullsh*t leve because I could never get the drops required to complete it without running out of time. However, when I finally did start to beat the leve, (cuz i ranked a couple of times and started doing it in groups instead of solo), it has become one of my favorite leves to do due to the prodigious amount of SP that a group can squeeze out of it. So before anybody gets frustrated and quits; just remember that the hurdles in this game are meant to be overcome and in a game with so little content, the challenge of tougher leves is a welcome addition.


Jump to conclusions if you want. I've given this game plenty of chances. And I didn't say a single thing about not leveling fast enough. I'd completely resigned myself to 8 leves worth of SP every couple of days, maybe with a behest in there if I'm there at the right time.

I'm sorry I thought I was responding on topic. I'll try again.


Yes I agree OP, grinding sucks, I don't like doing it either. I used to grind on leves, but recently those have becoming similarly frustrating, and the rewards for doing so are starting to get worse on average. It disappointed me so much that I have no desire to log in again. Maybe if the next set of patch notes looks good, I'll give it another shot.


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To be honest, I've been staying away from combat classes as much as possible. I'm not enjoying the current SP system so I'm focusing more on my crafting for now with hopes that they change it. I tried grinding coblyns but I don't find it to be fun at all. So unless someone needs help with leves or something, my combat classes are on the shelf for the time being.
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Seriously, how do you all do it?


5+ years of practice in XI. >.>
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Will 2011 be the year of the grind? FFXIV for comeback game of the year? For you FF faithful I hope so. My xbox 360 has been getting most of the play time at my house lately.

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If you refuse to grind then perhaps MMORPGs are not for you. All of them have some sort of grind (some more than others).
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If you refuse to grind then perhaps MMORPGs are not for you. All of them have some sort of grind (some more than others).


Its only really a grind if you don't enjoy doing it.
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Seriously, how do you all do it?


5+ years of practice in XI. >.>


Hey Threx!

Which server did u end up choosing?
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If you refuse to grind then perhaps MMORPGs are not for you. All of them have some sort of grind (some more than others).


I don't mind quest grinding. Variation, meaningful contribution to the overall story/lore, that I can handle. Zoological genocide that means nothing, contributes nothing to my overall understanding of the game world is a very different animal. (Yay puns)
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KujaKoF wrote:
Pulseczar wrote:
If you refuse to grind then perhaps MMORPGs are not for you. All of them have some sort of grind (some more than others).


Its only really a grind if you don't enjoy doing it.


Good point. I have to be in the right mood to do it though. It's almost cathartic.
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Ok, well if you don't want to grind, do this:

Do behest every hour on the hour

Do errands between hours

Finish crafting leves

Craft

Enter another behest
(Heck if you want to, you don't even have to pull your weapon out in them^^
Now if that's not grinding for SP, then I don't know what is)


Oh yea, grinding sucks, but it's a must. I try to grind mobs that drop the shards/crystals I need. That way I can see better returns on my time invested in this wobbly game.

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In order to get exp in this game, I gotta get really horny for it. Not sexually, but you know. Okay sometimes sexually.


I log onto the game then leave it afk for a while as I get mentally prepared. This process involves a little dance ritual. Sometimes I'm tired and just rock back and forth instead of a standing activity. Then I get hyped up about my job class. Since I'm a tree killing Botanist, I like to think of logging as an epic battle that requires some violent imagination. Also I play "Spongebob Squarepants" episodes in the background or "Everybody Loves Raymond" so I feel like I have friends because tree killing is a thankless profession. Sometimes I interact with the community by chasing people around the area.

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In order to get exp in this game, I gotta get really horny for it. Not sexually, but you know. Okay sometimes sexually.


I log onto the game then leave it afk for a while as I get mentally prepared. This process involves a little dance ritual. Sometimes I'm tired and just rock back and forth instead of a standing activity. Then I get hyped up about my job class. Since I'm a tree killing Botanist, I like to think of logging as an epic battle that requires some violent imagination. Also I play "Spongebob Squarepants" episodes in the background or "Everybody Loves Raymond" so I feel like I have friends because tree killing is a thankless profession. Sometimes I interact with the community by chasing people around the area.

I think there's a treatment for that, failing that, talking to a shrink might help.
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In order to get exp in this game, I gotta get really horny for it. Not sexually, but you know. Okay sometimes sexually.


I log onto the game then leave it afk for a while as I get mentally prepared. This process involves a little dance ritual. Sometimes I'm tired and just rock back and forth instead of a standing activity. Then I get hyped up about my job class. Since I'm a tree killing Botanist, I like to think of logging as an epic battle that requires some violent imagination. Also I play "Spongebob Squarepants" episodes in the background or "Everybody Loves Raymond" so I feel like I have friends because tree killing is a thankless profession. Sometimes I interact with the community by chasing people around the area.



I like your style!!
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To be honest I actually find grinding in this game to be fun. Alot more fun compared to alot of other MMOs. After a few hours in I till feel pretty engaged.
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I was able to successfully climax earlier today after 2 months of trying. Grinding is NOTHING!
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hexaemeron wrote:
Pulseczar wrote:
If you refuse to grind then perhaps MMORPGs are not for you. All of them have some sort of grind (some more than others).


I don't mind quest grinding.


Whereas I strongly dislike quest grinding. I would honestly much rather just kill 10 rats than talk to an npc, kill 10 rats, then run back to the npc. Killing the rats is the same either way... but running back to the npc is a pain in the ****.

Leves bug me slightly less because at least when you have completed your objective you get teleported back.

It has been a long time since I played WoW (which was the only real quest grinding game I ever played - I tried LOTRO but didn't last 2 hours) but I seem to remember the quests being pretty generic. I mean I didn't get far but what I remember was it being of the "kill 10 rats and tell me about it" variety.

LOTRO made me crazy. Seriously. The glowing rings, the absurd hand holding... it made me log out pretty immediately. I lasted longer in Warhammer (but perhaps only because I downloaded the trial before FFXIV came out).
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Yeah, I'm not going to say I'm a huge fan of nothing but grinding, but I don't care for hand holding either.
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#39LyleVertigo, Posted: Dec 30 2010 at 4:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The movies were pretty ***, I would imagine so would the game too....
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LOTRO made me crazy. Seriously. The glowing rings, the absurd hand holding... it made me log out pretty immediately. I lasted longer in Warhammer (but perhaps only because I downloaded the trial before FFXIV came out).


The movies were pretty ***, I would imagine so would the game too....


As me, the OP, is a raging homosexual, don't you have...egg on your face? :)
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I was going to pull out that definition again but I can't be ******
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I really enjoy the combat mechanics of a gladiator but without a sense of progression it gets old after an hour or two tops. Usually about the second time I repair my dagger for any given outing I'm done. Can't do it anymore. There has to be a balance between fun mechanics and diversity to keep me interested. Progression aids diversity. Most of my recent time out grinding with GLA was on wolves trying to get buffalo hide for LW and between the mediocre SP, the horrible drop rate on hides, and the horrible respawn rate on the wolves, I lost interest. I tried grinding in Coerthas just for a change of scenery but..it's just a big lifeless zone right now. Green and grey. Green and grey. Reskinned rats and antelope does.

I dunno...in other games if you don't like the grinding and need a change...any change...there's usually somewhere you can go to switch up the visuals or the mob types or something. Anything. In XIV, it's been the same three zones since release. Thanalan is Thanalan no matter where you are in it. La Noscea is La Noscea. Black Shroud is Black Shroud. You can't escape it.
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Behest and leves are the most time efficient way. just go to the Battlewarden spawn point 5 min before the hour and either join a group or start inviting the others standing around.


this is true, but battlewarden spawn at the top of the hour and waits there for 5 minutes after before event starts. I think solo grinding is boring for the most part but I like trying to kill new mobs and coming up with ways to take them down faster and be more efficient at it, plus I like doing it for farming + SP gains, so its not all bad. Personally, I'm waiting for party play to be fixed/adopted/whatever so I can party because leveling up to max alone is lame, and doing leves and behests to max is lame so I hope they have some plans for party play outside leves and behests.
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Behest and leves are the most time efficient way. just go to the Battlewarden spawn point 5 min before the hour and either join a group or start inviting the others standing around.


this is true, but battlewarden spawn at the top of the hour and waits there for 5 minutes after before event starts. I think solo grinding is boring for the most part but I like trying to kill new mobs and coming up with ways to take them down faster and be more efficient at it, plus I like doing it for farming + SP gains, so its not all bad. Personally, I'm waiting for party play to be fixed/adopted/whatever so I can party because leveling up to max alone is lame, and doing leves and behests to max is lame so I hope they have some plans for party play outside leves and behests.


I agree completely.

Also Aur, I agree - a change of scenery would be nice.

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Ever heard of asking for help? This is an MMO. Quitting cause you can't solo the whole thing is pretty childish.

i think there are a handful of super social active LS's on each server, however, knowing which one when no one will respond to your questions and no extra content can make things "casual" for you even if you dont want them to be.

im surprised people use the "well did you ask for help" comment to shun those who are having a hard time.
i finally found an LS that would accept me, they help when they can, and i them, but as far as asking random people for help is a big LOLOLOL, it just doesnt happen in this game.

ill even shout for people to join my leves for free (if my ls is busy) so i can have some company and maybe XP party bonus... no one ever joins they just solo their own. Behests are a great way to gain exp, though they are only last for 15 mins about, which if your out of leves and everyone is being anti social then it leaves you up to grind.

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Ever heard of asking for help? This is an MMO. Quitting cause you can't solo the whole thing is pretty childish.

i think there are a handful of super social active LS's on each server, however, knowing which one when no one will respond to your questions and no extra content can make things "casual" for you even if you dont want them to be.

im surprised people use the "well did you ask for help" comment to shun those who are having a hard time.
i finally found an LS that would accept me, they help when they can, and i them, but as far as asking random people for help is a big LOLOLOL, it just doesnt happen in this game.

ill even shout for people to join my leves for free (if my ls is busy) so i can have some company and maybe XP party bonus... no one ever joins they just solo their own. Behests are a great way to gain exp, though they are only last for 15 mins about, which if your out of leves and everyone is being anti social then it leaves you up to grind.


If "random people" never want to join a group for anything, I'd say that's equally a problem with the people as it is with the game itself.
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#47 Dec 30 2010 at 6:56 PM Rating: Good
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A full bottle of Pepto Bismol gets the juices going. They should make a viagra equivalent for mmorpgs. Oh yeah, the dirty thoughts are coming. Leveling is HARD...but you gotta keep it UP.....we lose ENDURANCE after LONG hours of GRINDING. *fatigued*





Edited, Dec 30th 2010 7:57pm by Creepygiggles
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#48 Dec 30 2010 at 10:45 PM Rating: Good
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I dont mind the grind per se, and I would party if I could find folks my lvl to do so. Behests are fun when I can get in. Lately I have found myself picking a class and using all 8 leves for sp and its been working well. I have gotten pug arc and lnc tomorrow to 20 doing only leves and behest. My mar was 22 before nov patch and sadly I miss getting 500sp on yellow mobs. I just wish the sp if its gonna be a certain amount per mob i just wish it was 70-80 for blue 90-125 for green and 150-200 for yellow. Those awesome enough to take out reds should get 250-300 if that were the case sp would be fine and party play would return or atleast be more tolerable.

I love the game and it is definately getting better with time. My only true gripe that I find myself cussing at my screen is when I am doing a leve with a reward or sp that I enjoy and things go unresponsive and then boom the tiny blue box appears with some error code and accept at the bottom. >< R0 strikes again and auto fail leve. Would be nice to be able to log right back in and have the leve still active even if some of the time had lapsed. It would go a long way to making R0 less annoying.
#49 Dec 31 2010 at 12:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Aurelius wrote:
I dunno...in other games if you don't like the grinding and need a change...any change...there's usually somewhere you can go to switch up the visuals or the mob types or something. Anything. In XIV, it's been the same three zones since release. Thanalan is Thanalan no matter where you are in it. La Noscea is La Noscea. Black Shroud is Black Shroud. You can't escape it.


I think this is what has realy started to get to me. I can't take the barren same view anymore. Killing the same cute creatures for 3 months on the same backdrop. I've not only hit that wall but have come to realized there is no purpose to the this game and there is no vision as to what people are to do. A new guy has taken over, one which I think will do a great job, but how long are we to be strung alone? How long before we know what the goal is once you reach lvl cap?

Look like FFXIV is now a place holder till new games are out or SE starts charging. There are a few solid games that will release near or before FFXIV console makes it out.
#50 Dec 31 2010 at 1:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Get a second screen then watch a show or do something else. Combat is just spamming anyways.... Sigh I miss ffxi
#51 Dec 31 2010 at 1:22 AM Rating: Good
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SyniteonReflux wrote:
Get a second screen then watch a show or do something else. Combat is just spamming anyways.... Sigh I miss ffxi


Some of you guys make it sound like you have a gun to your head...if you hate the game why do you play it? I mean I'm not saying there is no reason to dislike this game because there's plenty and they're different for each person and their preference, but honestly, who is forcing you?

Edited, Dec 31st 2010 2:22am by SolidMack
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