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#1 Jan 01 2011 at 7:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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From the January first post: (didn't see a topic on this so I apologize if its already been posted).

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Ne'er till land consumes sun can sea bear moons.
Heavens spew crimson flame, hells seep black dooms.
Stray seeds quicken in ash's grey embrace.
Valiant blades forged under the Twelve's good grace.




Seems to be some sort of riddle. Personal guess/translation:

Never until land consumes darkness and the moons rise on the horizon (during the night, pretty much)
heavens spew crimson flame, hells seep black dooms ( no idea. flaming skies? like in the intro quest? )
stray seeds quicken in ash's grey embrace. (Something growing in the ashes? mor dhona? )
Valiant blades forged under the Twelve's good grace ( weapons forged in the images of the twelve gods? )


Would be cool if it was something in game that we haven't figured out yet? something to do with the deities?







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#2 Jan 01 2011 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
It's got something to do with the Fury again I think
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#3 Jan 01 2011 at 8:30 AM Rating: Decent
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It's about one of the cutscenes in the storyline quest(don't want to spoil although it's only R15 r 20...)

It's curious beacuse in french the prophecy is kind of different. It begins with "when the seventh moon will rise in the sky, after the sixth sun got down"(sorry bout the poor translation). Wich makes July, the 5th.
#4 Jan 01 2011 at 8:42 AM Rating: Good
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Wich makes July, the 5th.


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Nald'thal, overseer of transactions and the underworld and god of commerce, commands the element of fire and is tied to the seventh month. Nald'thal is depicted as a discerning merchant holding a balance, and his symbol is the cowry. Nald'thal is actually the single manifestation of the twins Nald and Thal


Hmmm so maybe not Halone then...

And Nald'thal is the guardian of commerce... nope lets not turn this into another AH speculation thread

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#5 Jan 01 2011 at 8:49 AM Rating: Decent
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I think it's more simple: On July, the 5th will be a major dramatical event in Eorzea: The sky will be breathing meteors and stuff like that, and (a) big ugly guy(s) will probably come to eat all the nice rats near LL. Or something like that. I see the first extension here....or something like that.

My 2 cents.
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I craft so much i forget this game has a story line. Thanks for the reminder its something I have to start on this year.Smiley: smile
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Wow, we're going to be able to go to the moon and to the center of the planet^^

Nah, I don't know but it would be cool if the god's made us weapons.
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To the moon on the Big Whale!!!
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Exactly.

To the Big Cohoon!
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Ne'er till land consumes sun can sea bear moons.
Heavens spew crimson flame, hells seep black dooms.
Stray seeds quicken in ash's grey embrace.
Valiant blades forged under the Twelve's good grace.


It is a short poem consisting of two, blank-verse, pentameter couplets. It expresses a "darkest before the dawn" sentiment and, paraphrased, tells us that "The sea cannot bear the tranquil reflection of the moon unless the land obscures the sun" (paraphrase, 1), and that "Seeds grow more quickly when sown in ashes" (paraphrase, 3). In short, sometimes that which seems a calamity actually gives birth to something wonderful.

True to its sentiment -- of rebirth through tumult -- the poem ends positively, showing promise in the future of "Valiant blades forged under the Twelve's good grace" (4).

Evidently, Yoshida is telling us that FFXIV's troubles were a necessary part of its creation. This may be true, for SE is listening to the players' feedback now more than ever -- I wonder if we will have a better game because of it, and if the prophesy will thus be validated?
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Again, I think this has nothing to do with FFXIV situation as the poem describes exactly what you can see in the lv15 or 20, storyline Cutscene. I even think this was planned long before Yoshida's coming. And again, the french translation, as probably the japanese's original poem, gives us a date for this "cataclysm".
#12 Jan 01 2011 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
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Evidently, Yoshida is telling us that FFXIV's troubles were a necessary part of its creation. This may be true, for SE is listening to the players' feedback now more than ever -- I wonder if we will have a better game because of it, and if the prophesy will thus be validated?


I agree with this. Although, I suppose there is a possibility it might have something to do with the game. How long from now until it becomes july 5th in game time?

In regards to the story quest, I wouldn't really expect it to have anything to do with that. Most people who've been playing the game by now will have seen it. Is there really any reason to have a riddle about something most everybody has seen already?
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OMG they are clues on obtaining the key of the twilight!
I swear if I see a large wierd monster chasing a little girl in a field im runnin the other way :)
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Anyone think it might not be July 15th but 7/15 in game? The latter of course, would be much sooner (in about a week, I think).
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Vedis wrote:
OMG they are clues on obtaining the key of the twilight!
I swear if I see a large wierd monster chasing a little girl in a field im runnin the other way :)


HAHA!

I'd still help... Unless it was a behemoth after her.
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When I saw this I was wondering if it had a hidden meaning, it sure seems like it does. Oh well gotta wait and see!
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I think the poem is about when the ps3 version will be released, with the first expansion, and back to charge per month. That's it.
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Gentleman's, brace yourselves. We are going at War

I think this will start at a part long in time a chain of small occurrences that will change this world gladly and I'm not talking about a good one but i mean story line bad ones occurrences (like people dying etc.) and at the end there will be a BIG BOOOM that will open the gates to **** that we will probably fight for to see a bright light at the end of tunnel with our characters.

It will all starts soon...

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Vedis wrote:
OMG they are clues on obtaining the key of the twilight!
I swear if I see a large wierd monster chasing a little girl in a field im runnin the other way :)


"Oh my gosh, that poor little girl is being chased by that monster!"

"Ah **** nah, ***** better run faster cuz I ain't getting involved in that sh*t."

"Run *****, run!"

/em cheers Aura on.

Edited, Jan 1st 2011 6:21pm by SickleSageKiroh
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#20 Jan 01 2011 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
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i got the impression that they are going to implement "relic weapons" in ff14
i hope i'm wrong =)
#21 Jan 01 2011 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
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PerrinofSylph, ****** Superhero wrote:
clerks1859 wrote:
Wich makes July, the 5th.


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Nald'thal, overseer of transactions and the underworld and god of commerce, commands the element of fire and is tied to the seventh month. Nald'thal is depicted as a discerning merchant holding a balance, and his symbol is the cowry. Nald'thal is actually the single manifestation of the twins Nald and Thal



totally off topic but Nald'thal is my god but they never show in my sig...

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#22 Jan 01 2011 at 8:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ne'er till land consumes sun can sea bear moons.
Heavens spew crimson flame, hells seep black dooms.
Stray seeds quicken in ash's grey embrace.
Valiant blades forged under the Twelve's good grace.


It is a short poem consisting of two, blank-verse, pentameter couplets. It expresses a "darkest before the dawn" sentiment and, paraphrased, tells us that "The sea cannot bear the tranquil reflection of the moon unless the land obscures the sun" (paraphrase, 1), and that "Seeds grow more quickly when sown in ashes" (paraphrase, 3). In short, sometimes that which seems a calamity actually gives birth to something wonderful.

True to its sentiment -- of rebirth through tumult -- the poem ends positively, showing promise in the future of "Valiant blades forged under the Twelve's good grace" (4).

Evidently, Yoshida is telling us that FFXIV's troubles were a necessary part of its creation. This may be true, for SE is listening to the players' feedback now more than ever -- I wonder if we will have a better game because of it, and if the prophesy will thus be validated?



Couldn't have been said better.
#23 Jan 01 2011 at 8:46 PM Rating: Decent
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totally off topic but Nald'thal is my god but they never show in my sig...


It's 'cause he/she is twins and it doesn't know which symbol to show >.>
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#24 Jan 02 2011 at 10:57 PM Rating: Default
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I think this may be alluding to one of two things - #1 A summoner class or #2 some other sort of apocalyptic event involving our favorite divine beasts (materia, eidelons, aions, magicite, etc. ) The way this was presented it seems to be a riddle, like most of you have already stated. I don't agree, though, that it's answer is a artistic way of referring to FFXIV's fall and rise from the ashes. Here's my take:


Ne'er till land consumes sun <--TITAN

can sea bear moons. <---LEVIATHAN/FENRIR

Heavens spew crimson flame <--- IFRIT

hells seep black dooms. <---DIABOLOS/HADES

Stray seeds quicken<---MOOGLE (The moogles in the opener for the Gridania starter have magical leaves floating around them)

in ash's grey embrace.RAMUH(?)/ODIN(?)/SHIVA(?) <---This one's the toughest to match

and last line:

Valiant blades forged under the Twelve's good grace.

Most of the in game content involving these creatures refer to them as created by the Twelve as a tool or weapon for one reason or another.

I'm probably wrong, but it seems funny that each line could describe one of these guys. Food for thought.
#25 Jan 04 2011 at 11:18 PM Rating: Decent
Here's a little comedy for you...just thinking outside the box and came across this:

"Ne'er till land consumes sun can sea bear moons.
Heavens spew crimson flame, hells seep black dooms.
Stray seeds quicken in ash's grey embrace.
Valiant blades forged under the Twelve's good grace.

-Seventh Verse of the Divine Chronicles."

Thinking about Divine Chronicles got me thinking about the bible for whatever reason...so looking at the Book of Chronicles (the first one) It goes through the family tree starting with Adam, etc, etc... including the "Twelve Sons of Israel"
Also if you look at the 7th chapter of the Second Book of Chronicles it talks about fire raining down from heaven.

All of that is strange, however I find it unlikely that it is relevant. (even if the coincidence is funny... lol)

However, I have to ask how anyone comes up with any dates or time frames from this text.

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After searching a bit online I came across a post from another forum talking about the Japanese and other versions of this poem, and it seems like the English version was the only one without a specific "date" reference. Still I find it odd that the Eng. Ver. is the only one left out in that aspect.


I translate it roughly into Layman's terms as:

Not until the Sun sets, can the Moons rise.
Fire falls from the sky, and demons arise.
From the destruction, new life is born afar.
New weapons are bestowed by the Gods.

This says to me that as the world falls into darkness, there will be a glimmer of hope. Amiss the worlds destruction, new life comes forth, bearing gifts to ward away the darkness.

Perhaps it is the coming of new areas, summons, some kind of AF weapon or such. Who knows? At this point, any of that sounds abso-fing-lutely amazing.

For now though, it's just a poem, and I still have 14.5 ranks to go until 50. Let's see what happens. ^^

Edited, Jan 5th 2011 12:27am by StateAlchemist2
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#26 Jan 05 2011 at 8:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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To add a bit more information, because I think the french poem is more explicit, here comes a translation of it (as best as I could trying to keep the spirit of the french poem):

"When the 6th sun will fall down and the 7th moon will shine in the sky,
the ocean of clouds will pour a rain of burning flames
and fatal shadows will emerge from the deepest underground.
But under those ash still warm, hope will bloom.
The salvation of a whole world, a whole population, is you!
With your courageous sword you will, one day, kill the evil
and in front of your glow of purity will the darkness step back"

So it seems to me indeed related either to a future expansion or simply what SE is going to do about the game: at a certain point (6th sun and 7th moon) there will be great changes in the ingame world but from the overhaul of the game, a new future will emerge and only us, players, can make the game survive. This, everyone that had faith in the game will 'kill' the critisms and from this New Game Experience, criticisms will be stopped for good and FFXIV will get as good as we all want it to be.
So in toher worlds, it is about the destruction and rebirth of a world and us (as ingame characters or irl people) will have a major part into this (not surprising).

Edited, Jan 5th 2011 9:40am by Carmillia
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#27 Jan 05 2011 at 8:57 AM Rating: Good
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It's not July!

This riddle is all about in-game lore and therefore in-game time. Right now in Eorzea, it is the 5th or 6th moon (look at the upper right corner in game and it will tell you). I'm not in-game right now, but I think people have calculated that this riddle is pointing to an event that will happen this week or next....but it has nothing to do with Earth time...that's for sure.

Edited, Jan 5th 2011 9:58am by McDomination
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This means:

The fireballs the streaked across the sky and impacted aroudn the world in the opening movie and intro quest are now finally going to spawn the NMs related to them. You'll be getting some new weapons/quests related to encountering them.

So,

New NMs basically and maybe leve/quest content for items related to them.


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McDomination wrote:
It's not July!

This riddle is all about in-game lore and therefore in-game time. Right now in Eorzea, it is the 5th or 6th moon (look at the upper right corner in game and it will tell you). I'm not in-game right now, but I think people have calculated that this riddle is pointing to an event that will happen this week or next....but it has nothing to do with Earth time...that's for sure.


Indeed, we all agree on that (if you were refeering to my post, I did not say a word about July), they would not have posted that if it was something for July, it is too far now to be relevant so could it be related to the next maintenance? Like a secret unheard patch?
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No, it wasn't pointed towards you, Carmilla. It was pointed more towards the general consensus (or so I thought) that the "riddle" was referring to a date in July....which makes no sense at all, especially because the "riddle" is so specific.

At this point, i'm really not expecting anything big. All hyped SE announcements always turn out to be such boring or bland news. That goes for most of the gaming industry when they have an announcement that they are making an announcement...Grrr!!

***** your riddles, SE! Just tell me when I'll be able to see the inside of Ishgard and when I'll be able to ride my own Chocobo!



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Something tells me this is one of two things.

1 it could just be hyped as part of the heavnstrum event, and nothing really fabulous.

2 or . . . . Maybe with the last few patches more was added to the game then we currently thought. Also add in one more patch and when the world is opened to us again they will have gotten most of the planned release content into the game and we enter back after maintenance into eorzea being in a state of panic and war, and we the player have to band together?

2 I know is extremely far fetched, i know. However, even if something 50% near to that was actually about to happen and I logged into this state. I would not go to work for a day or 2, and my drawers maybe pooped!
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7/5 and|or 7/6 is about to happen.

I hope 2012 apocalypse happens in game.
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You know, the whole "when the sixth sun sets and the seventh moon rises" line could just be metaphorical. Since so much of the poem is about rebirth and the passing of time, the rising of the moon that follows the previous sun could simply fit with that theme.

Just because it uses numbers doesn't mean it's a direct statement; the line is still part of a cryptic, translated poem, after all.
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From my reference to 2012 you could have inferred that ...

I would be cool if something epic does happen in game, but I am pretty sure nothing will.

I just wondered who was around that even remembers this thread. ^^
And I just happened to be waiting for Dodore to pop and notice the calendar.
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Didn't see anyone put this up yet, so here goes. This is a translation of the Japanese poem provided by BRPXQZME on Eorzeapedia:

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六の陽 没し 七の月 輝きしとき
When the sixth sun sets and the seventh moon glows
(or: When the six suns set and the seven moons glow)
群雲より 紅き炎降り 奈落より 黒き闇湧かん
Red fire will descend from gathering clouds, black darkness will gush from ****
然れど 古き灰に 新しき種は蒔かれり
Even so, new seeds can take to old ashes
其は汝 魔断つ勇の剣 獣畏る優の灯なり
The swords of you warriors who slay demons are the prevailing lights that beasts fear
――神歴記第七節 メザヤの預言より
Divine Chronicles, seventh verse
from the prophecies of Mazaya



To me, the first two lines (English or Japanese) could both refer to the transition from day to night (clouds appear as fire as the sun goes down, darkness creeps into the sky, and the moon rises). The second two lines seem to refer to new birth (or rebirth), and growth (English only). The idea of stray seeds reminds me of canceled accounts (or dormant accounts). Quickening could refer to accounts coming alive again (people reactivating and playing). "Under the Twelve's good grace" reminds me of Guardian's favor. "Blades" could refer to the players themselves (especially in light of personification in the use of the adjective "valiant"), or to new weapons (either for existing classes, or for new classes).

One thing I've wondered about this "decoding" business: Due to the significant differences in language used in the English, French, and Japanese, is there possibly some kind of hidden word/phrase that can be obtained from a rearrangement of certain letters in the poem? I'm sure everyone has heard of the Schwarzenegger e-mail to the California General Assembly:

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To the Members of the California State Assembly:

I am returning Assembly Bill 1176 without my signature.

For some time now I have lamented the fact that major issues...
unnecessary bills come to me for consideration.Water reform,...
care are major issues my Administration has brought to the table,...
kicks the can down the alley.

Yet another legislative year has come and gone without...
overwhlmingly deserve. In light of this and after...
unnecessary to sign this measure at this time

Sincerely,

Arnold Schwarzenegger
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One thing I've wondered about this "decoding" business: Due to the significant differences in language used in the English, French, and Japanese, is there possibly some kind of hidden word/phrase that can be obtained from a rearrangement of certain letters in the poem? I'm sure everyone has heard of the Schwarzenegger e-mail to the California General Assembly:



actually i haven't heard of that. is there something i'm missing? now i have to google it. thanks for the translation.
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