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#1 Jan 02 2011 at 12:33 PM Rating: Good
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Hi!
I'm completely new to online gaming so i'm not really sure what to expect.

I bought FF14 mainly because I had some time to burn and that the game was really cheap.
My expectations were that I would start the game on my own and after a brief while be introduced to a company (if you like) with more experienced members and many different players from which I could interact with and hopefully find some people who'd let me join them in their running around/killing monsters stuff and perhaps make some friends along the way.

My experience so far is that nobody talks, at all. I freely admit i've only been to a few places (I'm too week to travel to new areas) but the people there either don't speak English or have no interest in letting a noob wander around with them.

So I did a little research and it seems, quite clearly, that a LOT of members are only interested in having the "perfect" character stats and have no interest in talking, just grinding.

Now, i'm sure with enough grinding myself I could carry on and "complete" the game (unsure if these type of games have actual endings) but in that case i'd just buy a normal offline RPG.

So basically i'm wondering if it is just me who has had these experiences or have others also noticed this.
I chose a forum to post this because people ARE going to talk here.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

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#2 Jan 02 2011 at 12:36 PM Rating: Good
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Companies haven't been added yet, but there are linkshells. I would suggest joining one if you can.

Unfortunately, you're correct; it seems like it is the experience of most people that there is very little socialization outside of linkshells.
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Companies haven't been added yet, but there are linkshells. I would suggest joining one if you can.

Unfortunately, you're correct; it seems like it is the experience of most people that there is very little socialization outside of linkshells.



Mikhalia, when's the last time you logged on man? It's gotten much better recently as far as this is concerned. I talk to random new people all the time: in the major cities, and camps, and even off the beaten path.

Sure, I can see people not lining up to answer noob questions like "Hi where is the market ward???" or "Where can I buy a leet sword??", but if you know where and how to interact with others, they will re-pay the favor.
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Companies haven't been added yet, but there are linkshells. I would suggest joining one if you can.

Unfortunately, you're correct; it seems like it is the experience of most people that there is very little socialization outside of linkshells.



Mikhalia, when's the last time you logged on man? It's gotten much better recently as far as this is concerned. I talk to random new people all the time: in the major cities, and camps, and even off the beaten path.

Sure, I can see people not lining up to answer noob questions like "Hi where is the market ward???" or "Where can I buy a leet sword??", but if you know where and how to interact with others, they will re-pay the favor.


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#5 Jan 02 2011 at 12:50 PM Rating: Decent
As if to reinforce the fact that some people are extremely anti-social in this game outside a linkshell:

o.o


Like seriously? We can't chat in local /say? What a joke. If you're walking around anywhere in the real world where there are people, you WILL hear conversations.

Apart from that minor incident, normal chat actually does work a charm in socializing, since people will generally get into the conversation eventually [especially if you have others chatting with you already :-) ]

Edit - Terror is referring to wearing the Black Usagi Kabuto with a Black Linen Coatee set :p



Edited, Jan 2nd 2011 1:57pm by GuiltyBoomerang
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#6 Jan 02 2011 at 1:04 PM Rating: Good
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guilty, thats rare for people to be stupid like that, and i do call that stupid because it is

im also from beseid, we have a roleplay community here so ALOT of people talk in say instead of whatever other channels are available so maybe thats just here.


but in general, some people think that you are "spamming" their chat channels with something that do not want to see, in the future, tell them to turn that channel off if they have a problem with it, thats what i do.



i generaly see alot of people talking in various cities, it depends where in the city you are i guess, so i cant say that its anti social myself
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Due to playing FFXI alot, I've grown accustomed to not using /say ever. I usually will send a /tell though when replying to someone.
#8 Jan 02 2011 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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I totally agree with OP. The cities are dead as far as /say and /sh are concerned in this game, and I, for one also find it difficult to strike up a conversation with a stranger in a city... Mostly because 95% of them are crafting 100% of their city time, and I dont feel like becomming the "annoying little brother" who disturb people when they are doing hard manual labour.

I usually blurt out a /sh or two just to see if anyone wants to speak to me... So far i got a response ONE time. By a very friendly FRENCH guy... which leads me to believe that the rest of us in the world miss-judged the french population for decades...

Hard to be social in a game that is built on beeing anti social...
#9 Jan 02 2011 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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Ah i'm quite happy to continue playing (as long as it's free at least lol)

Hmm guess i'll have to keep trying.
Although I do feel because of my low levels (I think i'm physical level 9) and the fact that I only joined recently, the more experienced, higher level players aren't going to want a low level player to babysit whilst they hunt dragons lol

Nevermind. I'll keep trying, I just wanted to see if it was just me
#10 Jan 02 2011 at 1:42 PM Rating: Good
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GuiltyBoomerang wrote:
As if to reinforce the fact that some people are extremely anti-social in this game outside a linkshell:

o.o


Like seriously? We can't chat in local /say? What a joke. If you're walking around anywhere in the real world where there are people, you WILL hear conversations.

Apart from that minor incident, normal chat actually does work a charm in socializing, since people will generally get into the conversation eventually [especially if you have others chatting with you already :-) ]

Edit - Terror is referring to wearing the Black Usagi Kabuto with a Black Linen Coatee set :p



Well to be fair maybe people were offended by the P -edo (even Zam filters this word!) sexual criminal comment... I've never had anyone give me grief about chatting in say... but I don't throw words like that around.

Edited, Jan 2nd 2011 11:43am by Olorinus
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#11 Jan 02 2011 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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Prinnyking wrote:
Ah i'm quite happy to continue playing (as long as it's free at least lol)

Hmm guess i'll have to keep trying.
Although I do feel because of my low levels (I think i'm physical level 9) and the fact that I only joined recently, the more experienced, higher level players aren't going to want a low level player to babysit whilst they hunt dragons lol

Nevermind. I'll keep trying, I just wanted to see if it was just me



Naw lots of linkshells would be happy to have you. Which server are you on?
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#12 Jan 02 2011 at 1:59 PM Rating: Good
Olorinus the Vile wrote:

Well to be fair maybe people were offended by the P -edo (even Zam filters this word!) sexual criminal comment... I've never had anyone give me grief about chatting in say... but I don't throw words like that around.


Ah, that would probably make sense then, if that was their viewpoint. Mind you, that comment was made just in the light of things since we were all happy getting Kabutos :-)
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#13 Jan 02 2011 at 2:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think it's the game mechanics.

At least in behest's you get the occasional /p "Hi" because it's actually beneficial to party-up.
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Just a note: I'm in three different linkshells that have players that cross between all three of them. In fact the only reason I am in the other two are because they are so interconnected. My point is that the LS system has grown alot from FFXI. You can now be in multiple LSs that are interconnected in multiple ways and never miss a beat on whats going on in each one. This greatly multiplies the social aspect of the game. I've found in alot of cases I will see people from one of the three LSs and begin a convo based on that fact. I'm not saying that the only way people should talk to each other is because they are in the same LS, but if this is somthing you would like to see more of or enjoy in the game then reaching out yourself and joining a group of players is going to greatly increase your chances of meeting new and interesting people =) and prolly make some good friends too!

Again just a note from my personal experiences.
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I think it's the game mechanics.

At least in behest's you get the occasional /p "Hi" because it's actually beneficial to party-up.

You just reminded me how quiet everyone is in this game. Outside of the (Please Invite Me) in /say before behest, talking is non-existant, even when you've been doing behests with the same people several times. About the only time I see people talk in /party at a behest is to scream at someone for attacking a mob that wasn't claimed red. It's like, seriously people, with a little comunication, that problem wouldn't even arise. Designate someone to pull or attack first and follow.
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Just a note: I'm in three different linkshells that have players that cross between all three of them. In fact the only reason I am in the other two are because they are so interconnected. My point is that the LS system has grown alot from FFXI. You can now be in multiple LSs that are interconnected in multiple ways and never miss a beat on whats going on in each one. This greatly multiplies the social aspect of the game. I've found in alot of cases I will see people from one of the three LSs and begin a convo based on that fact. I'm not saying that the only way people should talk to each other is because they are in the same LS, but if this is somthing you would like to see more of or enjoy in the game then reaching out yourself and joining a group of players is going to greatly increase your chances of meeting new and interesting people =) and prolly make some good friends too!

Again just a note from my personal experiences.

Josh is the man and a healing maniac in our leeve sessions! OK lol enough braggin my ls mate up but yea OP what server are you on? IF its bodhum hit me up in game, I will get you started in a good social / leve ls. Also right now especially its very new guy unfriendly untill you get over the wall most servers have very small populations and we all pretty much recognize each other at least by name. If you aren't on bodhum then I would suggest going to a camp and joining behests, attack only red named mobs be as friendly as you can stand, and watch the friends start to accrue. Mostly it is a friendly place, you just need to get over that initial hump.
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OP , what would you like to talk about??
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Kahafer wrote:
Just a note: I'm in three different linkshells that have players that cross between all three of them. In fact the only reason I am in the other two are because they are so interconnected. My point is that the LS system has grown alot from FFXI. You can now be in multiple LSs that are interconnected in multiple ways and never miss a beat on whats going on in each one. This greatly multiplies the social aspect of the game. I've found in alot of cases I will see people from one of the three LSs and begin a convo based on that fact. I'm not saying that the only way people should talk to each other is because they are in the same LS, but if this is somthing you would like to see more of or enjoy in the game then reaching out yourself and joining a group of players is going to greatly increase your chances of meeting new and interesting people =) and prolly make some good friends too!

Again just a note from my personal experiences.

Josh is the man and a healing maniac in our leeve sessions! OK lol enough braggin my ls mate up but yea OP what server are you on? IF its bodhum hit me up in game, I will get you started in a good social / leve ls. Also right now especially its very new guy unfriendly untill you get over the wall most servers have very small populations and we all pretty much recognize each other at least by name. If you aren't on bodhum then I would suggest going to a camp and joining behests, attack only red named mobs be as friendly as you can stand, and watch the friends start to accrue. Mostly it is a friendly place, you just need to get over that initial hump.
Thanks,
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Haha, well thank you Big Jer xD. You do make a valid point on the fact that being friendly seems to cause other friendly players to gravitate in your direction.
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seiferdincht wrote:
I think it's the game mechanics.

At least in behest's you get the occasional /p "Hi" because it's actually beneficial to party-up.

You just reminded me how quiet everyone is in this game. Outside of the (Please Invite Me) in /say before behest, talking is non-existant, even when you've been doing behests with the same people several times. About the only time I see people talk in /party at a behest is to scream at someone for attacking a mob that wasn't claimed red. It's like, seriously people, with a little comunication, that problem wouldn't even arise. Designate someone to pull or attack first and follow.


Unfortunately, there really isn't any reason to talk, even in parties, without the general [Thank You], etc when joining. The groups including the behests are general spamfests, and with the battle mechanics at the moment, if someone takes time to talk, they aren't hitting the buttons needed for combat. I would love to talk, but I generally leave it for the 10 or so members that are logged on my ls. Also, my server Mysidia seems to be largely Japanese, so that coupled with the battle mechanics make conversation null and void.
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If the battle mechanics allowed us to queue up attacks visually in advance similar to FFXIII, I suppose we'd have time to type and not take away from killing. You're right though, behest really only needs someone to talk at the start to designate someone to start the kills. Other than that, do whatever. Not like the game even forces the need to do Battle Regimens either. I use skype and vent anyway so typing is moot.
#21 Jan 03 2011 at 7:46 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks you all for the replies.
I'm now looking for one of these linkshell things but all the ones I have seen seem to mention "end game party" where as i'm more looking for a "beginners party" lol

Can anyone maybe give me a list of the linkshells?
I'm on Saronia
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Prinnyking wrote:
Thanks you all for the replies.
I'm now looking for one of these linkshell things but all the ones I have seen seem to mention "end game party" where as i'm more looking for a "beginners party" lol

Can anyone maybe give me a list of the linkshells?
I'm on Saronia

You never answered what server you are on. But Here's a list for Fabul:

http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=217&mid=1292088176219553731&page=1

Don't be afraid the the end-game comment for Abaddon, we're a really social LS :)
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#23 Jan 03 2011 at 9:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Meh fabul is a dead server i am logged in almost everyday and its like a ghost town and just as quiet i move about quite abit /sh trying to get ppl to do leves or sp partys and almost all the time NOTHING just silence

Edited, Jan 3rd 2011 10:41am by Rankin657
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Prinnyking wrote:
Thanks you all for the replies.
I'm now looking for one of these linkshell things but all the ones I have seen seem to mention "end game party" where as i'm more looking for a "beginners party" lol

Can anyone maybe give me a list of the linkshells?
I'm on Saronia

You never answered what server you are on. But Here's a list for Fabul:

http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=217&mid=1292088176219553731&page=1

Don't be afraid the the end-game comment for Abaddon, we're a really social LS :)


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Meh fabul is a dead server i am logged in almost everyday and its like a ghost town and just as quiet i move about quite abit /sh trying to get ppl to do leves or sp partys and almost all the time NOTHING just silence

Edited, Jan 3rd 2011 10:41am by Rankin657

shoot me a /tell sometime I can solve that problem for you :P I never have an issue finding a group. I generally can do so within 15 to 20 minutes.



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He's on Saronia....

lol, how the **** did I miss that?
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That's one of the main reasons I stopped playing. I can deal with the bad UI and lack of content as long as I can find some fun people to play with. The lack of a party seeking tool and any kind of adventuring community pretty much ruined the game for me.

I had a linkshell and we played together occasionally until everyone else quit. Even when the linkshell was full though it was hard to get everyone on at the same time, and that's when you need a pick up party which, as far as I could tell, rarely happen in this game. I had a few that I was invited to because I happened to be in the right place at the right time. Most of the time when I logged on, I'd solo grind for a few minutes then get bored and play something else. As more people quit, I'm sure it will only get worse.

I knew it was going to be like this before the game even came out, but every time I mentioned the downsides of button mashing, solo focused mmos here people would come out flaming about how they didn't want FFXI-2. Well here we have it, a massively multiplayer game where nobody talks to each other. Fun...
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That's one of the main reasons I stopped playing. I can deal with the bad UI and lack of content as long as I can find some fun people to play with. The lack of a party seeking tool and any kind of adventuring community pretty much ruined the game for me.

I had a linkshell and we played together occasionally until everyone else quit. Even when the linkshell was full though it was hard to get everyone on at the same time, and that's when you need a pick up party which, as far as I could tell, rarely happen in this game. I had a few that I was invited to because I happened to be in the right place at the right time. Most of the time when I logged on, I'd solo grind for a few minutes then get bored and play something else. As more people quit, I'm sure it will only get worse.

I knew it was going to be like this before the game even came out, but every time I mentioned the downsides of button mashing, solo focused mmos here people would come out flaming about how they didn't want FFXI-2. Well here we have it, a massively multiplayer game where nobody talks to each other. Fun...

You know you can join more than one LS, right? Join 2 or 3 big ones and finding a group is simple.
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While on Lindblum, I have a rather hard time talking in /s or /sh in the big city because it just seems everyone is too busy focusing on crafting what needs to be done. Although, I do try to spur some sort of conversation while doing behest by acting like an obnoxious idiot stating, "I'll be sure to attack all the yellow and blue names while we fight off the reds," in hopes to get some sort of reaction, and people will go on from there.

It has worked pretty well in my opinion.
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It's actually very beneficial to talk. A couple days ago I was in leve parties nearly all day because of communication, and not just with the LS.

I'm at a crystal and about to do a leve when I ask if anyone wants to join before I start it. I get one reply, add him as a party member, and we're off. Turns out he has leves to do that I don't have, so after I'm done with mine we do his. On his last one we ask if anyone has leves they want to party up and do and we have a couple who decides to join us. Turns out they have leves to do all over the place as well! We're doing their leves when they start asking if anyone wants to join our group, and we get another bite. This new guy has lots of leves to do. We party up with him, do a behest, and then get to his leves. A LS mate says he's looking for a group, so I invite him to our group. He stacks up his leves and heads out our way.

I met 5 new people that day and must have played for 7 hours just doing behest, leves, and cycling in and out party members all the while gaining SP. I took the initiative to talk and was rewarded for it. I realize the stereotypical MMO player is an introverted shut-in but if you can put the effort into talking and don't allow yourself to be let down by griefers and trolls (like this "don't chat in /say" dude) then you'll find a much more rewarding experience. It does take effort, however, which I believe is why no one wants to do it anymore. I can think of other more popular MMOs that give the player so much they almost never have to say anything to another player (get dumped in a dungeon, zerg the boss, wave goodbyes when your loot drops).

So get out there and chat some.

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Haven't really had a problem with this. Figaro's LL usually has pockets of people chatting away in /say around different areas, usually in scenic spots with a nice view of the city. Sometimes people will /shout asking if anyone's talking and that usually starts a pretty good conversation. Mind you, this is during NA hours. When JP get on, both /say and /shout are usually full in town. LL's not even near as crowded as Ul'dah, but I haven't been to Ul'dah in a long while, so I wouldn't know what the chatting there is like. I'd assume better than LL's. LS chat is awesome too if you're in an active LS.

Honestly, like the guy in the post above me said, even WoW has this problem. The group finder just dumps you in a random dungeon with 4 other people and you literally just run through the whole thing without talking. The only talking done in towns is through trade chat, and while trade chat is full of people talking, it's usually a bunch of little kids talking crap and/or trolling. Rarely any productive conversations outside of guild chat.

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I find that people rarely talk to each other normally. Usually if they are, they're helping out a newbie or talking to their linkshell mate in local.
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