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#1 Jan 04 2011 at 3:19 AM Rating: Good
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Completing 1.5 leaves and our weapons are damaged? Really? A 15,000$ Gil repair every 10 fights makes legitimate sense to you?

Please fix this stupid issue. It's one of those minor things that will make the game more enjoyable.


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#3 Jan 04 2011 at 3:22 AM Rating: Decent
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FFXI, the THF forums? (Must be, I was on Bahamut server).

But back to topic -- am I the only one that thinks this is ridiculous (how quickly weapons become damaged)?

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#4 Jan 04 2011 at 3:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Completing 1.5 leaves and our weapons are damaged? Really? A 15,000$ Gil repair every 10 fights makes legitimate sense to you?

Please fix this stupid issue. It's one of those minor things that will make the game more enjoyable.


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stop using rank 50 wapons with your rank 5 Gladiator. thx. bye.
#5 Jan 04 2011 at 3:33 AM Rating: Good
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Not one piece of gear that I'm wearing is above my rank, "kthnxbai". Never has been, never will be. Why would I gimp myself? No, that isn't the problem. What IS the problem is simply a poor system - plain and simple, among all the others. And it seems weapons seem to break much more often lately, post update.


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#6 Jan 04 2011 at 3:35 AM Rating: Decent
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If you're wearing equipment appropriate to your Rank, not Level btw, then there is no chance that you needs to repair even every 2 or 3 leves nevermind 1.5
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#7 Jan 04 2011 at 3:38 AM Rating: Good
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If you're wearing equipment appropriate to your Rank, not Level btw, then there is no chance that you needs to repair even every 2 or 3 leves nevermind 1.5


Well, Sir, respectfully - I do.

I do not wear anything about my rank, and am very opposed to it (because all that does is gimp yourself) - and I have to repair my bow every 1.5 - 2 leves. Note, yes, that I use the NPC out of laziness, admittedly - but dropping from 75% to 40% in less than what, 20 fights is ridiculous. And also, seemingly worse lately - as if the update increased the rate that weapons weaken.

But apparently I'm completely alone in this opinion.


Edited, Jan 4th 2011 4:40am by JerseyProphet2
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#8 Jan 04 2011 at 3:41 AM Rating: Decent
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As I've said before, so do take my experience with a grain od salt, I dont fight much but usually weapon lasts me for 10 id not more leves, mostly solo, and armour i still havent repaired any.
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#9 Jan 04 2011 at 3:43 AM Rating: Decent
Sorry, but I wasn't in Gear Damage for over 3 weeks now... I use 2 weapons when I level (Iron Lance/Iron Spear) and I can do at least 8 Behest and 8 Leves with each one of them. And I'm talking about hitting the 50% condition not 0.

pS: I played for a week now, and for the first time both of my weapons are on 50-54% (good that I bought a third weapon ^^)

Edited, Jan 4th 2011 4:45am by CroBudi
#10 Jan 04 2011 at 3:45 AM Rating: Decent
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I can only tell you what I deal with, and I'm sure you can understand the frustration of repairing a weapon every 20 or so fights for 15-20K. Personally, I find it annoying, and not necessary.

EDIT: I'm referring to yellow status, so 65% or less. After repairing from an NPC, after 2 leves or so, and granted, perhaps a behest (1) - I'm already at 40% or so. For a bow well below my level.




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#11 Jan 04 2011 at 3:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Your weapon should last longer... Make sure you're not confusing physical level with your job level. My weapons usually last around 1.5-2 leve runs, so thats 12-16 leves.

Also, most people buy multiples of their weapons so they can switch on the fly. I carry around 4/class at any given time and bazaar them overnight for repairs.
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Maybe you should consider leaving your weapons/gear overnight in a Menders Ward so they get 100% and thenh compare how long they last?

At the moment I only use the NPC for 1 repair (Brass Spectacles).
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Your weapon should last longer... Make sure you're not confusing physical level with your job level. My weapons usually last around 1.5-2 leve runs, so thats 12-16 leves


I'll say again. My bow is well below my RANK. Forget it. Thanks anyway.




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Completing 1.5 leaves and our weapons are damaged? Really? A 15,000$ Gil repair every 10 fights makes legitimate sense to you?

Please fix this stupid issue. It's one of those minor things that will make the game more enjoyable.


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stop using rank 50 wapons with your rank 5 Gladiator. thx. bye.


I use a rank 24 bow with my rank 26 Archer and It took me about 6 leves and 2 hours of gameplay for durability to drop below 50%...kthnxbai.
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JerseyProphet2 wrote:
Completing 1.5 leaves and our weapons are damaged? Really? A 15,000$ Gil repair every 10 fights makes legitimate sense to you?

Please fix this stupid issue. It's one of those minor things that will make the game more enjoyable.


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stop using rank 50 wapons with your rank 5 Gladiator. thx. bye.


I use a rank 24 bow with my rank 26 Archer and It took me about 6 leves and 2 hours of gameplay for durability to drop below 50%...kthnxbai.


Ok, so thats one other person at least some-what experiencing this. 6 leves / 2 hours is, I'm sorry, NOT long enough for durability to drop that much. Just an opinion, and you know what they say about them - but come on, really? Ease up on the repairs, SE.

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i do agree though the repairing is getting very annoying, they do need to make weapons last a bit longer before needing repairs or they should just remove the system all together, but regardless it need adjusting

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If you're wearing equipment appropriate to your Rank, not Level btw, then there is no chance that you needs to repair even every 2 or 3 leves nevermind 1.5


Well, Sir, respectfully - I do.

I do not wear anything about my rank, and am very opposed to it (because all that does is gimp yourself) - and I have to repair my bow every 1.5 - 2 leves. Note, yes, that I use the NPC out of laziness, admittedly - but dropping from 75% to 40% in less than what, 20 fights is ridiculous. And also, seemingly worse lately - as if the update increased the rate that weapons weaken.

But apparently I'm completely alone in this opinion.


Edited, Jan 4th 2011 4:40am by JerseyProphet2


When you don't repair to 100%, yes the weapon does get to yellow MUCH faster.

75% to 40% (to use the numbers you listed) is 35% of your weapon.

100% to 50% (where it will actually start turning yellow) is 50% of your weapon.

Everyone does have their weapon break quickly, but not at the speed you are stating because when they get others to repair to 100% (or can do it themselves).

Edit: Wrong word choice.

Edited, Jan 4th 2011 5:12am by Ravashack
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I don't think anyone will say they think that weapons degrade too slow to the OP is an exageration.

We have had people reporting 2 hours grind and a lot of us agree but 1.5 leves later that like 20 mins, no way a weapon goes from even 75% to 24% in 20 minutes.
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If you're wearing equipment appropriate to your Rank, not Level btw, then there is no chance that you needs to repair even every 2 or 3 leves nevermind 1.5


Well, Sir, respectfully - I do.

I do not wear anything about my rank, and am very opposed to it (because all that does is gimp yourself) - and I have to repair my bow every 1.5 - 2 leves. Note, yes, that I use the NPC out of laziness, admittedly - but dropping from 75% to 40% in less than what, 20 fights is ridiculous. And also, seemingly worse lately - as if the update increased the rate that weapons weaken.

But apparently I'm completely alone in this opinion.


Edited, Jan 4th 2011 4:40am by JerseyProphet2


When you don't repair to 100%, yes the weapon does get to yellow MUCH faster.

75% to 40% (to use the numbers you listed) is 35% of your weapon.

100% to 50% (where it will actually start turning yellow) is 50% of your weapon.

Everyone does have their weapon break quickly, but not at the speed you are stating because when they get others to repair to 100% (or can do it themselves).

Edit: Wrong word choice.

Edited, Jan 4th 2011 5:12am by Ravashack


Regardless they still go fast. The first time I repaired my Bow to max I paid 15k gil for the repair because the NPC would charge me 15k to get it to 75% so I thought it'd be a good deal, I literally used it for about 3 or 4 hours before it hit 50%...that's way too fast.
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#20KristoFurwalken, Posted: Jan 04 2011 at 4:30 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Here's the deal, the rate of degradation is acceptable. BUT, if you are using an NPC for repairs, depending on where you are grinding, you may have a 10 minute hike into town to repair. And if you repair everything yourself, you are using a bunch of inventory slots, which makes your bags fill up faster, and you once again got a 10 min trek to town to dump your inventory. Now, you can use anima, and run out in no time and be stuck hiking the rest of the week, 20 min round trips for repairs/inventory cleaning.
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No fun mechanic is no fun. This game is going to die, make repairs a penalty not a burden.

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No fun mechanic is no fun. This game is going to die, make repairs a penalty not a burden.


If you havent experienced the game in the last few weeks you have no stand point to talk about the game, one of my latest repair needed were with a Ragstone Wetstone thing and that being unusual I had a LS mate of mine just saying he would craft me another +1HQ instead and even so I got it reapaired while runing arounf town within 20 mins.
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If you managed to repair your equips to 100% then it would take twice longer to drop from 100% to 50% compared to 75% to 50%. Repair NPCs are quite a gil sink at this point and I would advise you to consider it as your last resort. There is an option for you to keep your equips durability in a consistent manner such as by having a multiple weapons etc. Even so, I would like to see some adjustment made to the repair NPC to be able to repair a full percentage of certain equips for example those that are not falls under Unique category perhaps?


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I agree with shady113.

Maybe if the standard would be a normal weapon/equipments and you could forge it to be better for a set period of time.

The system gets all my neuroses going as I'd like to fight with 100% gear all the time but instead I'll have to get used to the fact that some piece of armor is always broken. Even if it's just a tiny bit it still bothers me. *nervoustwitch*
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I agree with shady113.

Maybe if the standard would be a normal weapon/equipments and you could forge it to be better for a set period of time.

The system gets all my neuroses going as I'd like to fight with 100% gear all the time but instead I'll have to get used to the fact that some piece of armor is always broken. Even if it's just a tiny bit it still bothers me. *nervoustwitch*


I might be mistaken as I haven't really paied atention to it but I'm under the impression that HQ items gain more durability....
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Maybe if the standard would be a normal weapon/equipments and you could forge it to be better for a set period of time.


How about you pretend that broken weapons are actually normal, and normal weapons are actually enhanced for a set period of time? :]

Seriously, broken (0% Durability) penalty is very lolcake. Very minimal damage reduction and very debatable accuracy penalty (since someone said it before, it should be called in-accuracy instead).

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Completing 1.5 leaves and our weapons are damaged? Really? A 15,000$ Gil repair every 10 fights makes legitimate sense to you?

Please fix this stupid issue. It's one of those minor things that will make the game more enjoyable.


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If you're wearing equipment appropriate to your Rank, not Level btw, then there is no chance that you needs to repair even every 2 or 3 leves nevermind 1.5


Well, Sir, respectfully - I do.

I do not wear anything about my rank, and am very opposed to it (because all that does is gimp yourself) - and I have to repair my bow every 1.5 - 2 leves. Note, yes, that I use the NPC out of laziness, admittedly - but dropping from 75% to 40% in less than what, 20 fights is ridiculous. And also, seemingly worse lately - as if the update increased the rate that weapons weaken.

But apparently I'm completely alone in this opinion.


Edited, Jan 4th 2011 4:40am by JerseyProphet2


Put it up for repairs in your bazaar. It takes less than 5k to get a weapon fixed.
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The reason your bow is breaking so fast is because bows have strings on them. String is not as durable as the steel of a sword or axe, or the wood of a staff. Therefore, according to S-E logic, bows should break faster. (I know this may sound like a joke, and it is somewhat funny, but think about it, it's S-E we're talking about...)
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#29 Jan 04 2011 at 7:08 AM Rating: Decent
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what you need to do is level up crafting and bring the mats with you , when your weapon is damaged just repair it right away

i know its kinda frustrating that they force you to lv crafting
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Archer too here. So i repair my weapon every 20k or so(which is correct, i guess): That means around 250 mobs, at an average rate of 5 arrows/mob. So 1250 hits and weapon is broken. I don't know how your weapon coud be broken after two leves(or you miss a lot).
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If you havent experienced the game in the last few weeks you have no stand point to talk about the game, one of my latest repair needed were with a Ragstone Wetstone thing and that being unusual I had a LS mate of mine just saying he would craft me another +1HQ instead and even so I got it reapaired while runing arounf town within 20 mins.


You can get enough ragstone to make yourself 50 or more whet stones in 20 minutes by quarrying around camp Drybone... The drop rate on it seems to have been dramatically increased with the same patch.
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I can only tell you what I deal with, and I'm sure you can understand the frustration of repairing a weapon every 20 or so fights for 15-20K. Personally, I find it annoying, and not necessary.

EDIT: I'm referring to yellow status, so 65% or less. After repairing from an NPC, after 2 leves or so, and granted, perhaps a behest (1) - I'm already at 40% or so. For a bow well below my level.




Edited, Jan 4th 2011 4:46am by JerseyProphet2



That's the problem, you're using the NPC which only repairs to 75%.

The rest of us repair our own gear, or spend 30 seconds in a city asking for a repair which costs 1-5g (closer to 1g for the R20 items).

The easiest thing to do, sans actually leveling a craft, is to buy/farm the repair material, and put it in your bazaar along with the item to be repaired. It will facilitate the process.

I can confirm what others are saying, too. Using a rank-optimal weapon, I can grind at least 2 hours without hitting 50% durability.
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Don't repair at the NPC, that's your problem. Carry two weapons and place the damaged one in your bazaar for a reasonable price. (you can always beat the NPC price) Since the addition of the repair icon I've never used a damaged weapon for more than a few fights, and I'm constantly getting gil without selling much in the wards.
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#34 Jan 04 2011 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
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Completing 1.5 leaves and our weapons are damaged? Really? A 15,000$ Gil repair every 10 fights makes legitimate sense to you?

Please fix this stupid issue. It's one of those minor things that will make the game more enjoyable.


Ok sorry only read a few post in. Yes I know what you mean. I need to repair my RANK 24 Dagger I use on my RANK 30 Glad three times in one day before. Its a tad crazy, #2 I let it get to 0% because I can repair it myself. And I think its crazy to belive that carring around 3-4 weapons of the same type around should be the norm. Wait untill you get that RARE AF weapon and see how that works out.....
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Ok sorry only read a few post in. Yes I know what you mean. I need to repair my RANK 24 Dagger I use on my RANK 30 Glad three times in one day before. Its a tad crazy, #2 I let it get to 0% because I can repair it myself. And I think its crazy to belive that carring around 3-4 weapons of the same type around should be the norm. Wait untill you get that RARE AF weapon and see how that works out.....

I do have a Blunt Goblin Longsword and it's working out fine, thanks. :)

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Yes... no warrior would bring his Sword of Doom to fight... Marmots from LV 1-45 (?) anyway.
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ok now lets see you carry three of them....
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I do agree weapon wear happens too fast, but I can go 3-5 leves before needed repairs on my PGL (and I can do all 8 without it mattering if I plan accordingly)... I can't imagine what you're doing on ARC that causes such a high rate of weapon wear.

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It took me anywhere from 5-10 leves before my weapon dropped to even 60% durability. Some weapons wear faster or slower depending on who synth'd it. If they did a shoddy job it will wear faster from what I've seen compared to someone who "aces" it because I tried **** well 20 Flacions and each wore at a noticeably different rate.

They wear quick, but durability is something SE already said they'll continually adjust through updates.
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Weapons and tools should wear roughly the same rate as armor. Considering most battling players dont have many crafts to upkeep their own repairs.Doesn't have to be identical, but should be close.
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ok now lets see you carry three of them....

Nobody needs three if they are offering fair rewards for repairs. It takes on average 5 mins for a crafter to see that it's damaged and repair it for me for 5k gil. I carry a dagger with me for this purpose.
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Nobody needs three if they are offering fair rewards for repairs. It takes on average 5 mins for a crafter to see that it's damaged and repair it for me for 5k gil. I carry a dagger with me for this purpose.


You did read the other post where people say they are taking three weapons with them because they wear so fast? And if I'm at a camp way off somewhere, Im sure its going to take longer then 5 minutes for someone to fix my item since I'm not in a city.
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Nobody needs three if they are offering fair rewards for repairs. It takes on average 5 mins for a crafter to see that it's damaged and repair it for me for 5k gil. I carry a dagger with me for this purpose.


You did read the other post where people say they are taking three weapons with them because they wear so fast? And if I'm at a camp way off somewhere, Im sure its going to take longer then 5 minutes for someone to fix my item since I'm not in a city.


at camp bloodshore on beseid this isnt an issue for anyone right now while im living there, i have every craft in the range to repair every item someone who has proper gear for that area should have(and its materials)
the problem i still have doing it is they wont pay for it properly, in which case they can waste anima to go to town and do it for all i care
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You did read the other post where people say they are taking three weapons with them because they wear so fast? And if I'm at a camp way off somewhere, Im sure its going to take longer then 5 minutes for someone to fix my item since I'm not in a city.

That hasn't been my experience. If your reward doesn't cover the crafters mats they aren't going to fix your gear, assuming that you do, crafters jump at the chance to fix gear in my experience.

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I only have to ask others to repair my leather gear due to leveling my crafts and keeping th proper materials on hand. That being said, it takes about 8 leves if I do not die repeatedly to hit 50% durability on my axe and around 80% on armor.

In regards to getting crafters to repair things, aldgoat horns work best as an offer. I get somewhere around 12 every 15 mins of grinding since I know how to incapacitate my aldgoats (hint, only male ones drop horns.)

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Wait, so you NPC repair your gear to 75% and you complain when it hits "yellow" ie. 65% ???????
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Wait, so you NPC repair your gear to 75% and you complain when it hits "yellow" ie. 65% ???????

That's is indeed what he's doing.
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Some suggestions, OP

Buy more than one weapon for grinding out levels. Save the toss away weapons for the trash mobs and break out the good weapons for the tough fights. Repair the toss aways if you choose or just buy more.

Make friends with a crafter that can supply you with weapons and repairs. If Gil is a concern, farm your own mats and find a crafter who will cut you a deal.

Get your current gear repaired by a crafter to 100% and keep in mind the time it will take it to need repair.
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Wait, so you NPC repair your gear to 75% and you complain when it hits "yellow" ie. 65% ???????

That's is indeed what he's doing.


HURRRRRRRRRRRR DURRRRRRRRRRRRR, he's trolling us then

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i have no problems finding repairs as i know high rank crafters in each area, but its just getting tedious. yea my weapon lasts a bit longer than 1-3 leves but it seems when fighting NMs they just trash your armor lol either they should make the repair NPC give an option to repair to 100% if even its a bit more. or slow down the rate that weapon degrade, or just remove the system entirely
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#51 Jan 04 2011 at 4:03 PM Rating: Good
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Quote:
Jefro420 wrote:
benilla wrote:
Wait, so you NPC repair your gear to 75% and you complain when it hits "yellow" ie. 65% ???????

That's is indeed what he's doing.


HURRRRRRRRRRRR DURRRRRRRRRRRRR, he's trolling us then

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I was saying that after getting an npc to repair it to 75%, after only just a couple leves its at 40% already. Even if a player took it to 100%, it would be safe assuming after the same amount of leves it would be around 70% - and that's what I'm complaining about. How fast they lose durability. Take the time to actually read, or go back to /b/.


For everyone else, thank you very much for the advice. I do appreciate it, and enjoyed reading all of the responses. There was a lot of good information here. I'll seek repairs and once I get to R50 Archer and have some free time, will perhaps level the appropriate repairing craft to 50 as well to support my own repairs.


Again, my thanks. /bow
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