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#1 Jan 05 2011 at 4:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hello all,

I sincerely apologize beforehand for the long post…

Like many of you I am a die-hard FF fan who loved FFXI. Though I devoted a lot of time on the end-game contents for FFXI back in 04 and 05, I always considered myself a “casual player” since in-game interaction and world immersion is always what I prefer in a MMO… For example I would literally fish for hours in FFXI not for profit, but just relax and enjoy the scenery/casual conversation while I’m at it…

But when I say “truly casual player” I’m actually referring to my wife :P …as I’m thinking of playing FFXIV with her. Now what does “truly casual” mean you may ask? Well…

1. My wife almost never played any video game before… that is including all consoles like Wii or basic PC/mobile games like Bejeweled.

2. Has zero concept on what MMO and RPG is about… I had a hard time explaining the difference between Super Mario and Final Fantasy (it’s all “video game” to her lol)

3. Would get a headache just by watching me play 3D games like Vindictus and Fable III…

4. Admitted that she had some degree of negative stereotypical viewpoint toward video games and gamers (just for kids, waste of time, etc)

Now at this point you may ask, “why the **** do you even want to try to get her play FFXIV then???” Well here’s the thing..

- As much as she knows little (or even dislike to some extent) about video game, she genuinely wants to give FFXIV a try since she know how passionate I was with FFXI

- I’ve been selling the idea of us playing FFXIV together as one of our past times.. and she’s particularly intrigued with the idea of being a culinarian and we get to travel/explore in a fantasy world with beautiful scenery.. “just like watching a movie/anime/manga, but instead we get to control the characters in it and how the story evolves” is how I described it to her…

- We bought and installed FFXIV last night and tried out character creation just for fun.. I wasn’t as surprised that she’s quite interested in the character creation process (she literally spent 40 min deciding which “eye brow” and “lip” feature she wants on her female Hyur lol).. what really surprised me was that once we gone through the initial cut scene before we reach the starting city, she made the following comments:

“Wow… this world IS beautiful..!”

“It is very hard to believe this game received such bad review like you said…!”

And she actually wanted to start playing around with her character as I was showing her some basic emotes lol..! but I stopped playing right away as I realized even I were having trouble with the controls with mouse/keyboard first time playing it (I don’t want her feel discouraged right off the bat hehe..)

To be honest I was gonna give up the idea of getting her playing FFXIV altogether after reading the horrendous reviews and issues for this game for the past 3 months… but now she actually shows real interest in the game, I am starting to wonder if perhaps I can pull it off and make her a FFXIV fan…

For those of you who have the patience to read up to this point.. thank you!! Now I have couple questions for you and need your advice/suggestion on how I can make this work…

Questions:

1. Does (or will) each character gets his/her own moghouse like in FFXI? If not is there anything closely resembles to a moghouse in which players can decorate and hang their memorabilias?

2. Does everyone agree that for casual players, gamepad/controller is a much better option than mouse/keypad?

3. One of my biggest fears is that if the game stay the way it is (food effect not useful) and my wife soon finds out there’s no “value” or that much of a “need” for being a culinarian in FFXIV… Do we know if this will change down the road..?

4. For a couple who wants to be culinarian and fisherman, which would be the ideal starting city?

5. I have heard that it is difficult to gather crafting materials even at low levels.. Would it painful for my wife and I, if all we want to do is just to gather cooking ingredients + fish?.. So for example if half of the stuff she’ll need to “cook” at low lvl would need to be purchased from market ward and requires a lot of gils.. that means we’ll be forced to level up and earn some gils just to get her culinary career started?

Advice/Suggestion for how I should approach FFXIV with my wife:

1. I will probably start playing for couple months myself first to get all the game basics/mechanics down.. so she doesn’t have to go through the initial learning pain with me…

2. Once we start together, we’ll just focus on teaching her the basic commands for culinarian.. then we would go on those mini ingredient gathering trips + fishing… I wouldn’t even bother with combat unless we run into mobs from time to time… Currently (or near the future) is this even fun to do in FFXIV..?

Thanks again for reading this lengthy post..!
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#2 Jan 05 2011 at 4:59 PM Rating: Good
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It's good to hear she is enjoying it initially! I'm sure others will beat me to it but here goes:

#1: There is no mog house. The closest we have are two retainers that you can dress up with equipment and sell items from. She may enjoy dressing them up, but there really isn't aesthetic oriented gear in the game, so she'd have to make/buy any equipment she wanted to use to dress them up.

#2: Simply due to chatting, I don't like gamepads. I don't want to have to set a controller down everytime I wanted to talk with my LS.

#3: They haven't said much about food. It's anyone's guess right now. Considering how an entire class is built around it I would assume they would want to make it more important though.

#4: I don't recall where the fishing and culinary guilds are, sorry. :(

#5: I don't know where you heard this but I have to NPC materials I gather because they fall from the sky. You won't have a problem gathering.



Edited, Jan 5th 2011 4:59pm by Hydragyrum
#3 Jan 05 2011 at 5:12 PM Rating: Good
I've barely gotten mine into the Wii... I get death glares when I log into XIV... not gonna happen for me, good luck to you
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#4 Jan 05 2011 at 5:22 PM Rating: Good
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#3 Food effects does have an effect, easiest to notice are the MP/HP buff food, with the higher rank and HQ ones give somewhere from 8%-12% Hp buff which is quite nice provide you can make them in the first place.
#4 Limsa Lominsa has both the Culinarian Guild and Fisher Guild, however you don't have to start there to use the Guild. You only need the Guild when you get Guild Marks to purchase some of that class special abilities, or generally using Guild Facilities for synth that requires them. However, Culinarian also requires a large degree of material from Botanist (the Guild is in Gridania) and sometimes the help of an Alchemist (the Guild is in Ul'dah). The good news is, Alchemist, Botanist, Culinarian and Fisher are all closely related and support each other!
#5 Gathering involves playing a mini-game, you should search around for a guild explaining about the gather mini-game and sweet spot. Once you understand that however, it is relatively fun and easy to play with. There's nothing more satisfying than being able to pull Eagle Feather from grade 3 tree at r20, because it is a challenge, much more so than say beating a Dodo. At low level all you need to purchase are Table Salt and make Salt Cod/Grilled Carp (the fish, well, you fish them for her). After that CUL can level by clean just about any fish of appropriate level (Grade 1 = r1-8, Grade 2 = r8-18, Grade 3 = r18-28 etc.) for Sea Sand. Doing local leve will also give her some recipes to get a general idea of what to do at the current level.

FYI I've dabbled with AlC, CUL, BOT and FSH on my own. They are not my main focus but I'm trying to bring them all to r25 whenever I have spare time.

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I played FFXI since NA release and couldn't enjoy XIV with the keyboard, I connected my PS2 controller with a 5$ adaptor and the interface OWNS.
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#6 Jan 05 2011 at 6:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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^^^^^ Thanks everyone for the valuable info!

Hydragyrum – Thanks I’ll go learn more about the retainer feature… I really hope that down the road we’ll be able to get our own little place (moghouse, house unit, castle? Lol) that we can call “home”… I’m sure she’ll have a lot of fun decorating it if its available :)

Khornette – Your response to #5 really made me feel excited! Thank you!! Sounds like material gathering is actually easy + interesting! I understand how some people here dislike mini-games… but for someone as simple minded like I am, I still get a kick out of FFXI’s fishing mini game after 40-60 hrs into it XD


PerrinofSylph, ****** Superhero wrote:
I've barely gotten mine into the Wii... I get death glares when I log into XIV... not gonna happen for me, good luck to you


LOL /comfort

I know everyone is different and your situation may be way more difficult than mine... What I found useful was to be real engaged and particpate in something that she has passion with.. after a while she just might start appreciate/willing to be involved in what you are passionate for as well... For example my wife is really into cheese so I spent a lot of time (and money) going to cheesemaking classes/local creamery visits/read cheese-related books with her... Not because I want her to do something in exchange (well, maybe she playing FFXIV with me is what driving me to do stuff with her subconsciously lol), but I just think its important for couples to reach out to one another and learn to appreciate/participate what each other like to do....

But again who knows she may ended up hating FFXIV.. which is fine because I know she gave it a shot with 100% effort :)
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#7 Jan 05 2011 at 6:12 PM Rating: Good
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Kimutako,
Hey bud hows it going. I will tell you my wife is now playing xiv with me and its scary lol. Others have answered the general questions. I will give you a few tips on how i turned my wife into a gaming monster with xiv. First off she has never ever even touched a console game and leveled jobs in xi and wow to maybe 15ish then dropped interest. In xiv she is 36 pugilist 43 physical level and loves every minute she spends online, And god forbid is already asking me when our ls is going to kill "The monster buffalo" we keep seeing @ r40 camps. Best thing I can say is be patient with her I find myself forgetting at times
that she has not played as many mmorpg's as I and is learning the basic stuff still( i.e. watching her mini map lol). Be patient encourage her to try every job, keep at least job at her level if she does not play as much my wife really loves to do leeves etc. with me and the ls as long as we are together. If you have not invested much time yet come to bodhum and /tell me we have 4-5 different husband and wife teams in our ls which also helps as when i can'y get on and wife does she has friends in game that give her a feeling of companionship that she enjoys. Stay open and help her till it hurts and cry when she gets better end game quips than you (lol). Anyhow just a post from someone who has been there and I can proudly say now done that.
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Hello kimutako, long time no see. Glad to see you are still around and want to play FFXIV.

1. Like someone above me said there is no mog house. You get two free retainers which hold 100 spaces each. You can use these npcs in market wards to sell items you wish to sell. They can be summoned by going near a bell located in each adventurer guild(where you get leves).

2. I never tried a gamepad or controller so I can't give an educated answer on this one.

3. For sure it will change, it is just people are just starting to learn and experimenting on the effects of what food items give. Do not worry that culinarian is a no one cares class. It's just people know more about the classes that can repair items and make gear. I am starting to play culinarian since my linkshell doesn't have many and I like it. I will soon post on our lodestone site what effects I notice when someone or I use an item I make.

4. Limsa Lominsa has the guilds of the two classes you want to be, but that doesn't mean the other cities make it impossible for your combo to work. I am a Gridanian and have fished and done culinary leves and made some culinary items with what I collect around Gridania.

5. The leves in the game are very helpful initially. They will make your fisher and Culinarian level at a good pace in the beginning levels. I have gotton Culinarian rank ups with mainly leves since the materials I need later are on the harder side to find, but it isn't impossible.

I remember when we tried for Waterscape we had a similar idea of the casual player. If you choose Karnak as your server my linkshell would be happy to help you and have you both. If you choose another server feel free to PM any questions, I'll help if I can. Hope you both like Eorzea when you start up!
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Unclejer – oh my god.. you cannot believe how encouraged I am after reading your post…!! And I totally agree with you on “being patient”… ultimately I want her to enjoy the game because she likes it, not just because she is doing it with me… so it’s critical for us to approach this at her own pace

MrStyles – Hiya Buddy and thanks for the advice/offer!!! Hope you are having a great time with your LS. Who knows if you see an odd couple who are utterly clueless wandering around Limsa Lominsa one day it might just be us! :)

DoctorMog- LOL to be honest I was expecting a few more people to advise me just to give up on the idea.. which I would be perfectly fine with it.. afterall even a self-proclaimed FF fanboy like I am is still hesistant to play FFXIV until this day.... :P

Got another question for you FFXIV veterans…
What are some of the places near Limsa Lominsa/Gridania that have splendid sceneries that is worth paying a visit + can fish at low level? I’m thinking to keep the initial “WOW” factor up for as long as I can when we start playing by taking her to those places :P


Edited, Jan 5th 2011 4:33pm by kimutako
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kimutako wrote:
What are some of the places near Limsa Lominsa/Gridania that have splendid sceneries that is worth paying a visit + can fish at low level? I’m thinking to keep the initial “WOW” factor up for as long as I can when we start playing by taking her to those places :P

Gridania's not really much for scenery unless you just like hanging out in town all day, because that's about as good as it gets there unless you like walls of trees and a ceiling of... trees.

Limsa's basically all scenery. The moment you arrive there is pretty amazing, not to mention the first time you step outside of it and get a view of the city from the outside. Just head out to the main bridge or one of the nearby cliffs and just fish in awe.
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Do all of your rank 1 leves, get some of the starter weapons and crafting tools.

Fishing is very easy to pick up, but starts getting fun around rank 5 when you can really start catching fish reliably.

The entire Limsa coastline is amazing to view. I particularly like it on a clear day with Limsa behind me ^^
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I highly recommend introducing your wife to Fantaji.com. My gf plays a character (rarely) on my account, but she loves to post pics of her character and interact with others on Fataji. Every time she's on FFXIV she can't wait to run into someone from that website :)

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A few things to add:

Fishing/Botany has a neat little trick to it. Pay attention to sweet spot, then pay attention to where you get your chop/jig succeed, your next one will have a very high chance (I would say 70%) of staying in the same spot if it's the same item. If it moves around, it won't be far off. A good FSH/BOT only need 2/3 jig/chops to pull out everything and anything. I'm doing grade 3 logging and it takes me just a whee bit more than a minute to do all 5 gathers, include Eagle Feather or Log, and I'm only r21.

Fisher's baits for freshwater are made by Culinarian, the XXXX Ball type (Goby Ball, Crab Ball etc.). What it uses is a said fish/crab, a basic bait you can buy from NPC, some Rye Flour and another basic item you can buy from NPC/gather by a Botanist. You can purchase overpriced Rye Flour from NPC in Grid, or you can gather Rye through Botany and grind it into Flour by an Alchemist. Culinarian Synth needs Shard/Crystal, which you can make by using Alchemy on the fish you caught using Fisher. Table Salt, Maple Sugar and Honey etc. are used in many cooking recipe, and those are made partly/wholly by Alchemy from Fishing/Botany gathering. As you can see, it's pretty obvious that FSH, BOT, ALC and CUL are very closely related to each other. My advice is since you're going to do the gather and your wife will like the synth, you pick up BOT + FSH while she do ALC + CUL, it will be very useful.

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"在尋找會說中文的最終幻想XIV 玩伴, 讓我們一起來探索EORZEA的世界吧~ ^^"

我在Wutai Server, 你呢? Anyway, back to topic. Like you I got my wife to joined me at FFXIV because the world and the trailer movie was beautiful. She hated my FFXI playing of FFXI because I always have to rush home or stay home for LS Sky/NM/Cop run. I was the leader of a Titan LS so I have to do it.

My wife had fun fishing/logging/mining/crafting/Leve with me. However, exploring with her was a pain because she has to ability to keep drawing aggros because of her lack of Metal Gear Solid skill lol. She retired at lvl 8 and passed down her character to my 9yrs old son.

I think your wife would have fun if you guys join a social LS. She can have fun shopping for bargain, crafting, traveling.

Good luck and have fun!
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It sounds like you've picked Limsa Lominsa for your starting town. A great place to go explore for that "Wow" factor is to the far south by the lighthouse. You will know when you get there because the place is swarming with sheep. It has greatt scenery and is a great place for the two of you to dou around lvl 5. Not to mention the sheep have great drop rates and sheepskin can make you both a little starter money. Best of luck to the both of you, look for me if your everin Rabanastre.
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Agreed with those that said Limsa offers the best views. I really love Gridania but the lack of clear sightlines diminishes the "wow" factor a little. Limsa really is great to just wander around in, checking out the thousand and one caves and beach nooks. Fishing from the cliffs is fun, too.

Mostly just wanted to comment on the "keyboard vs mouse" question. I am an inveterate keyboard player but I also found some real trouble with the key layout as it existed in beta. Combined with the clunky UI response time, I was struggling more to get anywhere than I thought was acceptable. Since a lot of ZAM swore that the controller solved most issues, I plugged my PS3 one into my computer and... they were right. It was just so much easier to swiftly move through menus, target mobs, etc. However, since I wasn't a big controller fan, I struggled instead with moving while fighting. My thumbs didn't want to tap the joysticks properly while hitting multiple buttons.

Now, moving while fighting in FFXIV might be a moot point, I prefer to keep active, particularly since I was testing if it was possible to get more critical shots in by getting in back attacks. I swapped back and forth for awhile, until I got comfortable enough with both. Now the keyboard layout doesn't bother me in the slightest anymore, since the UI has sped up and I've gotten to the point of the key layout being second nature.

So my take is that if you or your wife are not actually needing to type anything, the controller is much more intuitive out of the gate and the pros outweigh the movement cons. If, however, you need to put the controller down all the time because you have to type at each other (or to other people, such as a linkshell) the constant pick up, put down, type, pick up again will get very old, very fast. You, at least, would probably be better off getting through the "new kid" problems with the keyboard. Your wife will probably still have a better time with the controller.

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I find the controller makes the menus suck less. I have no trouble typing but your wife might find it annoying to switch back and forth.

If you can get your wife into botany as well as cooking and if you pick up alchemist it would be pretty much awesome sauce for you guys. I would suggest you eatch have your own gathering job because gathering fatigue sucks.

You can rank up CUL all the way just making sand out of fish but I have a feeling your wife wouldn't like that very much. It is expensive to cook a lot of the more fun/pretty/neat things if you have to buy items from the npcs - so make sure to get her into doing guildleves. You can yourself make a lot of money fishing so you might have to supply her with cash cause CUL is mostly a money sink since people don't buy a lot of food.
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It's always nice to hear that couples are playing this game. I've been trying to get my other half into the game for ages, but he's simply not interested. A shame, since he played FFXI a lot and really enjoyed it. I think the negative reviews of FFXIV have put him off so I'm hoping to reel him in when the content updates arrive.

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Advice/Suggestion for how I should approach FFXIV with my wife:

1. I will probably start playing for couple months myself first to get all the game basics/mechanics down.. so she doesn’t have to go through the initial learning pain with me…

2. Once we start together, we’ll just focus on teaching her the basic commands for culinarian.. then we would go on those mini ingredient gathering trips + fishing… I wouldn’t even bother with combat unless we run into mobs from time to time… Currently (or near the future) is this even fun to do in FFXIV..?

1. If you'd like my advice, start together. Learn together. The initial learning curve will still be there for her when she starts, even though you'll be on hand to assist. However, learning about the world together, for better or for worse, builds a strong connection to the game. It's those early days that become the most nostalgic when you look back, so make them count.

2. Culinarian requires foods from a variety of sources, some of which require combat to obtain (mostly meats). Switching classes is as simple as equipping a new tool, so there's no problem should you wish to branch out and enjoy the best of both worlds. There are craft-specific quests which will give you all the materials you need to make items, though you cannot sell the resulting product. Those are a good way to earn skill points and advance your crafting.

Fun is difficult to quantify since everyone's idea of it is different. Crafting involves selecting a series of options and a little luck. Many craft classes learn special crafting skills on their 10th rank, which can aid greatly in the creation of difficult or high-quality items. As a result, you may find it beneficial to learn more than just one skill.

You can do crafting without ever initiating in combat, but in all likelihood your wife will eventually need to use the market wards and purchase meats to use in her crafts. Since they're player-run, prices can vary quite a bit, and earning gil in this game is largely dependent on participating in battle guildleves where combat is unavoidable. That's not to say it's the only method, but it is the easiest and earliest way to earn money if you're set on mastering a craft skill first.

Gathering non-meat items requires a different class. The gathering classes are Miner, Botanist and Fisher. Much like the crafters, you equip a new tool in order to swap to these classes. I'd strongly advise working on Botanist and Fisher if your wife intends to become a culinarian as you can gather herbs used in various recipes as well as fish. Much like with crafting, the more you harvest or fish the more your skill will increase and your rank improve. It's also a solid way to earn an income as you can sell the materials you don't use in the market wards.

I play this game casually myself, and I love it. I'm certain your wife will too, especially if enjoyed together. It's good to have clear goals, but don't try to limit yourself too much. There's much in the game to enjoy, and your experience will be all the better for it if you do.
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1. Coming soon, there isn't one implemented yet though but player housing was confirmed by SE and will most likely be more hands on that FFXI's mog house.

2. Preference really, but I guess the general consensus for this game so far is that the gamepad is the way to go. SE is working on a new UI currently that is going to be released with the next patch (which hopefully is coming soon) and this UI is for K&B users, so your wife can try both and see which one she likes best (you can change UI's at will to cater to your preference when the new one is released - this is according to SE).

3. I'd bank on it changing. Food effect isn't useless, its just that there aren't many situations where you would need to be "elitist" I guess, in which case you want to maximize your performance...I do know however that some high level linkshells taking on NMs are using food and so are a lot of serious crafters on some servers. So I'd say food will play a big role in the game's future.

4. Limsa Lominsa, both those guilds are housed there.

5. If anything isn't hard its gathering materials. Basically in this game if you want food materials you will need to play Botanist as well which can harvest for a lot of the cooking ingredients plus a lot of vendors will sell a lot of the stuff you want, you just need to do your homework a little first. But, on top of this, there are "daily quests" called guildleves (which you've probably heard of) that even crafters can partake in, so if you want the "casual" approach you can pick up 8 local leves (as they're called for crafters) every 36 hour reset and level up that way. The local leves provide you with the quest, which NPC to talk to to pick up your materials, and a nice xp/sp/gil reward as you gain higher levels.

As for your suggestions, that's a good way to start out. Basically you can play a crafting class as your main in this game without a need to even touch combat BUT sometimes some quests have you venturing into hostile grounds for "delivering" so you need to study the routes first so it doesn't get frustrating for her when she dies a couple hundred times on the way to any given camp. That's it, have fun.
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If I had to guess, I'd say player housing will be implemented eventually. Dev comments, plus player demand, plus SE history, plus some stuff in game suggests that that we will have player housing in the future.

I would also guess that food effects will be changed to make culinarian viable (if not necessary) to support high level crafting and adventuring. SE seems to be making a concerted effort to ensure that crafting is an integral part of their game, and there's no reason to think that they would shun culinarians in the long term.

I'd probably encourage wifey to use keyboard. If she's not a gamer, then I doubt she has much experience with a controller, and all those buttons on PS3 / Xbox360 controllers can be pretty intimidating. Unless you guys live in a cave, I assume that she has seen and/or used a keyboard before, so it's an easier transition.

I'd recommend basing your operations out of Limsa based upon your chosen professions. Plus it's gorgeous. Uldah would be my 2nd choice, as (at least on my server) it's the busiest city with the most players running around. Gridania is pretty to look at it, but feels desolate and too spread out for my tastes (just like Windy...).

Keep us posted on your progress, I'd be interested to hear how it works out (i.e. please teach me how to get my fiance to play FFXIV!) Best of luck to both of you, and I hope you enjoy your time in Eorzea.
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Thanks again for the valuable input everyone! If these info aren't already been posted somewhere we should totally consolidate it into a "Casual Player Guide" or "Get your Significant Others to play FFXIV Guide" :P

Just to sum it up what I gathered so far (please feel free to add or correct me if I’m not getting it right):

Scenery – Limsa Lominsa seems like the ideal choice, some places we can visit would be heading out to the bridge and look right back at the town // caves and beach nooks // Lighthouse at the south (aww reminds me of the good old Bastok lol)

Keyboard vs gamepad – Seems like control wise gamepad is more intuitive and user-friendly.. but if we are to do a lot of chatting keyboard would be less of a hassle… though good point on my wife being more familiar with a keyboard over a controller (which is totally true… she was having a hard time just to get the Fable III character run a straight path with a 360 controller)

Class/Job – Seems like botany and alchemy are great compliments to CUL. I'm planning to work on botany/alchemy/fishing and my wife on CUL/fishing.

Questions:

1. Crafting Fatigues - Is this the same "fishing fatigue" that we had in FFXI..? If yes does this mean we have to level up our character (and not the job lvl?) some before we can do extensive crafting?

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You can rank up CUL all the way just making sand out of fish but I have a feeling your wife wouldn't like that very much. It is expensive to cook a lot of the more fun/pretty/neat things if you have to buy items from the npcs - so make sure to get her into doing guildleves. You can yourself make a lot of money fishing so you might have to supply her with cash cause CUL is mostly a money sink since people don't buy a lot of food.


Olorinus I agree with you 100% that my wife wouldn't be interested in just making the same 1-2 items over and over because its profitable... This is one of my main concern on the CUL job... From a MMO newbie perspective (and going back to my newbie days with FFXI), it would be more rewarding to have people purchase the food you crafted in-game in a regular basis, ESPECIALLY if you can just make the food that you prefer...

If my wife were playing FFXI, I would totally imagine that she would want to craft different items like cakes/cookies and not just the sushi and curry over and over hehe... But I totally understand how unrealistic this is since food in MMO = stats boosts so people will only purchase food that gives them the most bang for their buck... I still remember the good old days when us NAs started playing FFXI in 04, people would just make food that "looks tasty" and send it to their friends... Ahh good memories...

So to keep my wife interested in CUL, I'm actually thinking to start buying her stuff from her Market Ward without her knowing that its me LOL.. or maybe create a small network of FFXIV friends (LS, etc) to have people buy her products and I'll pay them on the backend XD You know just to have her feel the sense of accomplishment + still having the freedom to spend time/energy on crafting the items she prefer
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#24 Jan 06 2011 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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My only advise would be to start together. I think you will enjoy it more if both of you learned the game at the same time. My gf started only 1 week after I did and still to this day she complains that I have a few physical levels higher than she does.
#25 Jan 06 2011 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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Bravo! My fiance got me to join FFXI back in 2004 and I, while not as unschooled as your wife, was a relative newb. :) I fell in love with XI and now XIV.

I'm a casual player myself. It took me 5 years to hit 75 in XI, if that helps. :P

A couple of notes.

~Friends will help immensely. Chat with people as you're playing and you'll find plenty of good people. As you meet more, some will be leveling other disciplines that will be beneficial to her, and hopefully she will be able to help out others in the future. I'd happily sell stuff I don't craft, like mojo grasses and feathers, etc, to our LS weavers.
An added bonus may even be friends that remain friends outside the game. I haven't played XI in over a year now but still talk to former LS mates. Several are now real life friends. I'm **** grateful for the game because of this.

~I know others have said that Gridania isn't really much on scenery, but I disagree. I'm from Limsa myself, but Gridania reminded me of a Thomas Kinkade painting. It's just lovely and that's the perfect descriptive word for it. Eternal springtime, really. Flowers and babbling brooks. I think it's a matter of preference. Ul'Dah itself is pretty staid and boring, but outside if stunningly beautiful. Reminds me of Utah or Colorado.

~I think your wife might enjoy botany and mining as well as cooking. Fishing too, of course. Those 4 together can keep her suppied with ingredients to cook as well and get her gil to purchase what she needs otherwise. One thing this game definitely does right is make it easy to level those at lower levels. Minimal risk of aggro.

All this said, I wish both of you the best. I hope you enjoy the game as much as myself and my fiance do. :)


PS~I'm hoping for mog houses in the future too. :P
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#26 Jan 06 2011 at 2:05 PM Rating: Default
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The best thing about this is because she is so naive she will think the game is amazing

Honestly, for people who don't game, you can throw almost anything in front of them and their jaw will drop to the floor and they'll become hopelessly addicted
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tylerbee wrote:
The best thing about this is because she is so naive she will think the game is amazing

Honestly, for people who don't game, you can throw almost anything in front of them and their jaw will drop to the floor and they'll become hopelessly addicted

Not quite true. My gf ran away from the TV screaming when she wanted to try out Gears of War and I popped out of a corner and massacred her with a chainsaw.

Edited, Jan 6th 2011 3:08pm by SoumaKyou
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kimutako wrote:


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Olorinus the Vile wrote:

You can rank up CUL all the way just making sand out of fish but I have a feeling your wife wouldn't like that very much. It is expensive to cook a lot of the more fun/pretty/neat things if you have to buy items from the npcs - so make sure to get her into doing guildleves. You can yourself make a lot of money fishing so you might have to supply her with cash cause CUL is mostly a money sink since people don't buy a lot of food.


Olorinus I agree with you 100% that my wife wouldn't be interested in just making the same 1-2 items over and over because its profitable... This is one of my main concern on the CUL job... From a MMO newbie perspective (and going back to my newbie days with FFXI), it would be more rewarding to have people purchase the food you crafted in-game in a regular basis, ESPECIALLY if you can just make the food that you prefer...


Worse - sand isn't even profitable - it is just efficient - the good thing is all the events so far have had food crafting components - and people are more than happy to give them away. If you get a nice shell people are often more than happy to give away food drops since very few people rank up culinarian.

As for food being useful - it is INCREDIBLY AWESOME but people don't use it cause it isn't always obvious. That said I made some bubble chocolate +1 and without even having affinity (tasty, delicious, divine) it gave me MORE THAN 100 MP (lie I was mistaken! More like 40 lol - please forgive) on my 26 THM. That's huge. People will come around and get into food eventually - they just haven't yet.

Edited, Jan 6th 2011 3:24pm by Olorinus
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#29 Jan 06 2011 at 2:47 PM Rating: Good
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Your wife reminds me of myself when it comes to gaming experience, so I thought I'd put in my 2 cents (and I probably spent about the same amount of time as her on my female hyur, lol). ^^ As someone who has done no other gaming, I find my PC's mouse/keyboard to be easy to use. It took a bit of time to get used to some of the controls but it got easy fast. So if your wife uses a computer regularly, and doesn't have much experience with a gamepad/controller, I'd imagine she might be more comfortable with a keyboard/mouse (at least at first).

Regarding culinarian's usefulness, I think others have answered better than I could already. But honestly, if it is fun for your wife then I wouldn't worry about it. Gil is really easy to come by in this game! I very rarely sell anything I make with my main craft (which is one of the less useful ones) except to the NPC, so it doesn't make me money, but I like it and find it useful for myself so I do it anyway. Doing crafting leves and making things almost only with the stuff I gather makes for slow but steady leveling without too much grindy-ness. And one big bonus of being a culinarian that I can see is that it uses less shards than other crafts! And I think botany would be a great idea for her, too. ^^

As for combat, I suggest giving it a chance. I wasn't too excited at the thought of it either when I first started (I wanted to be a botanist), but thaumaturge is now my favorite class to play. If your wife simply isn't too keen on fighting, maybe she'd prefer the DoM to the DoW classes -- casting spells on critters has a different "feel" than whacking at them with a huge axe, IMHO. xD And it is quite nice to be able to kill some of the critters you may find on the way to/around your gathering nodes. There aren't a lot of aggressive ones near most nodes, and some will be too powerful for you anyway, but you do run into them from time to time.

Best of luck! :)
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SoumaKyou wrote:
tylerbee wrote:
The best thing about this is because she is so naive she will think the game is amazing

Honestly, for people who don't game, you can throw almost anything in front of them and their jaw will drop to the floor and they'll become hopelessly addicted

Not quite true. My gf ran away from the TV screaming when she wanted to try out Gears of War and I popped out of a corner and massacred her with a chainsaw.

Edited, Jan 6th 2011 3:08pm by SoumaKyou


Haha, you mixed female with one of the most manly games in existence.

Thats your own fault! :P
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#31 Jan 07 2011 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Haha, you mixed female with one of the most manly games in existence.Thats your own fault! :P


No, destroying newbs when you're meant to be encouraging them that a game is fun would be the culprit.

I on the other hand lose every which way possible.

We get a new game so we're on the same page. In this example I'll use Mario Kart Wii. I was pretty bad *** at the other Mario Karts, so I opted to not use my controller and stuck with the motion controls.

Round 1 I come in first, her in like 9th. I was quite happy she didn't finish last, and I told her how proud I was. I get accused of being so nerdy that I'm instantly awesome at any game. So I pick the hardest track possible for some one with nothing unlocked. I come in last she comes in 6thish. I get accused of letting her win.

So I choose a medium track but disadvantage myself by choosing an innapropriate charactor and vehicle, I come in 3rd she comes in 4th... I'm the worlds biggest ***. Ok fine, I come upstairs to play XIV while she learns MK a bit better... 2 hours later I return downstairs. She's having a blast, so I decide just to spectate and reccomend when to drop whatever item she has. I'm an *** again because I won't play multi with her. I'm geniunely having a good time watching her enjoy my 2nd favorite past time (my 1st is racing, but she hates my car and thinks racing is a waste of money). I explain I'm enjoying myself spectating, and I'm an *** again because I'm obviously lying so I don't have to let her win.

In my situation, it's going to take years to break the barrier. It's possible, I'm making progress... it's just barely visible. Good thing she doesn't know I have parental controls enabled on the PS3 and I can check playtime on both consoles... She's been secretly playing on Mondays while I'm at work, though mostly only in 15-30 minute chunks, it's a start.
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PerrinofSylph, ****** Superhero wrote:

No, destroying newbs when you're meant to be encouraging them that a game is fun would be the culprit.

I on the other hand lose every which way possible.


I have the same approach/mentality PerrinoSylph, even to people that I don't know lol... With my "avoid-conflict-at-all-cost" personality, I have the tendency to wanting to let people win, especially when I can sense their frustration on being behind/losing... that's why eventually I had to gave up on competitive games like CounterStrike, StarCraft and StreetFighter since I always found myself giving my opponenets some slacks when I had initial advantage, and then get beat/destroyed at the end lol
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#33 Jan 07 2011 at 11:52 AM Rating: Decent
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PerrinofSylph, ****** Superhero wrote:
No, destroying newbs when you're meant to be encouraging them that a game is fun would be the culprit.

Haha, I guess this is correct.

kimutako wrote:
I have the same approach/mentality PerrinoSylph, even to people that I don't know lol... With my "avoid-conflict-at-all-cost" personality, I have the tendency to wanting to let people win, especially when I can sense their frustration on being behind/losing... that's why eventually I had to gave up on competitive games like CounterStrike, StarCraft and StreetFighter since I always found myself giving my opponenets some slacks when I had initial advantage, and then get beat/destroyed at the end lol

I'm the opposite. I'm competitive by nature. In every single game I played before, I had to be recognized as one of the best. In RO, I was one of the best Hunters. In FFXI, I was the highest level NA DRG before I quit. In WoW, I was in a US Top 50 and World Top 100 Guild. CounterStrike, I played in the highest division of CAL.

Not so much anymore, though. However, I do still find myself feeling bad if an LS-mate gets a higher level than me, which they often do.
#34 Jan 07 2011 at 12:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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SoumaKyou wrote:

I'm the opposite. I'm competitive by nature. In every single game I played before, I had to be recognized as one of the best


And I respect that :) I believe as gamers we have the tendency to forget that everyone is different in how they approach a game based on their personality/competititveness/preference/etc...

I can totally understand that for some FFXIV players the casual stuff we talked about here are utterly meaningless and/or irrelevant... Same with all the "lack-of-content" arguments that we see a lot around here... for some people meaningful contents = challenging end-game NMs/Raids, for some its PVP, for some its side-quests, and for people like me its stuff that'll help me (and hopefully my wife) immerse ourselves into the world of Eorzea.
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#35 Jan 07 2011 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Nice post Kimu :)

Totally the right way to go
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In addition to cooking and fishing I suggest you take up alchemy. With alchemy you can break your fish down into shards and crystals to use to cook and break more fish down. Botany will also be needed to help gather cooking ingredients.

I would suggest a controller for a casual gamer over keyboard/mouse.
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