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#1 Jan 05 2011 at 9:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just a poll to see what everyone's goal is. This also applies not just specifically to FFXIV, but your ideal as an MMORPG player in general.

Furthermore, this is not asking "How good do -you- think you are?" but rather your ideal perception by others.

This poll wasn't brought about by any thread in particular, but a conversation I was having with someone in terms of player mindsets when it comes to reputation.

Feel free to vote honestly, since it's anonymous and all. No one is going to judge you.

How skilled would you want everyone else to think you are?
I could be the worst player ever and I'd be fine with that.:5 (3.8%)
I'm okay with people thinking that I suck in general, just so long as they realize I have SOME redeeming qualities.:3 (2.3%)
I would be okay if people thought I was subpar, but I wouldn't want to be thought of as terrible.:1 (0.8%)
I'd want to be considered an average player. Not great, not bad.:4 (3.0%)
I don't really want to be considered "The best", but I'd like to be thought of as a good player.:75 (56.4%)
I'd ideally be in the upper echelon of players.:36 (27.1%)
If it were up to me, I would be the best player on the server and everyone would know how great I am.:9 (6.8%)
Total:133


Edited, Jan 5th 2011 10:42pm by Mikhalia
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#2 Jan 05 2011 at 9:51 PM Rating: Decent
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How about adding I don't really care about what people think of my skill?



Edited, Jan 5th 2011 10:53pm by Golophei
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Golophei wrote:
How about adding I don't really care about what people think of my skill?

Edited, Jan 5th 2011 10:52pm by Golophei


I heavily debated adding that option, and I was initially going to, but the truth is, what other people think really -is- irrelevant to many people, so I was afraid that including that as an option would skew the results due to too many people voting for it. For example, I'd probably vote for such an option myself.

So I figured that without that option, even if you don't care that strongly, if you have a slight preference (even if it's unimportant to you), you could still pick whatever option you like, or just pick none.

EDIT: That's weird - you edited your post when I quoted you and it got part of your original post and part of the new post and I ended up with "I don't really care less" from "couldn't care less" and "don't really care". Not sure how that happened.

Edited, Jan 5th 2011 10:57pm by Mikhalia
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#4 Jan 05 2011 at 10:17 PM Rating: Good
"I don't really want to be considered "The best", but I'd like to be thought of as a good player."

Not so much what other people think of my skills, but that's a level I like to get to with any game for my own pleasure. Especially in an MMO, where you need to be competent enough to help out your friends and random passersby that might need a hand.
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#5 Jan 05 2011 at 10:38 PM Rating: Good
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I also went for the apparently popular "I'd like to be thought of as a good player". While I really don't have any big investment in how other people view my skills, for own satisfaction I need to know that I'm competent. If I feel I'm not doing a "good job" or am getting continually sandbagged by play mechanics that I wasn't expecting and can't compensate for, then I'm frustrated and eventually end up giving up on the game.

I'll spend more time on a solo game trying to work out a strategy for something though, since there's nobody breathing down my neck to get it done but me.

EDIT: Although in the interests of brutal honesty, I really love to be complimented on an outstanding job, by people I respect. So I suppose my nonchalance towards the opinions of others should be taken with a grain of salt.

Edited, Jan 5th 2011 11:40pm by jadyness
#6 Jan 05 2011 at 11:23 PM Rating: Decent
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what about "I was born to play FFXIV, and you may call me God. I can prove it, I live in my parents basement and i'm a proud 32 y/o virgin; FFXIV is my only love."
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I only really care what my linkshell members think of me.

And they best recognize.
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#8 Jan 05 2011 at 11:34 PM Rating: Good
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Average. *grin* Mostly because my preference, like jadyness, is a mix of several factors.

Those players that I respect for their abilities, setting aside what personality quirks may offend or annoy me, I would ideally like to be respected in turn for my abilities. Those whom I view as *willfully* ignorant and repeatedly choose *not* to even try to learn from their mistakes, I sometimes view their ire as a rather perverse badge of pride. *grin*

I realize that last is not the best attitude to have, but when dealing with such people (as I am sure most of you know the type) there aren't many really good options.

And, given my sometimes eccentric schedule, I accept that I will never be among the first 25% or so of the server to reach 50 in any class. Or among the incisive minds that parse and scrutinize every attack, every defense, to find the absolute best combination- though I will happily enjoy the fruits of their labour, should they choose to share such information.

I do like to have fun. The grind can be quite fun sometimes (speaking of MMO's in general) with the right group. I do my job and try not to make too many mistakes. I am not especially perturbed at being merely "average." *grin*
#9 Jan 06 2011 at 1:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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I strive to be average.

I have already proved to myself (and others) that I have what it takes to be the best.

Really all I got for my efforts was grief, though.

Anyway, the older (possibly wiser) version of myself (currently incarnated in XIV) would prefer to be thought of as average. It was annoying to me (in XI) to bust my balls and see other sh-tty players get rewarded (even worse: get rewarded before me).

I'd rather just be kinda mediocre and put in mediocre effort now in games where rewards are determined by players. Player driven systems have too much corruption. I don't need video games to mimic real life THAT MUCH.

Honestly, that's what's great about the Faction NMs (as opposed to the free roam). I spend my points. I get a chance at a reward that no one can take away from me. I can trade it or give it away as I see fit. It's mine. I did the work. I got the reward. I don't have to be any LS leaders best friend or girlfriend to get rewarded first.

In a world where "being the best" actually meant anything (besides disappointment and drama) I'd love to have that status again, but I don't think MMO is the place (for me) to be the best anymore. ^^

Maybe I just have jaded opinions based on several years of bad XI experiences. I dunno.
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#10 Jan 06 2011 at 1:09 AM Rating: Good
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I'd normally go with the hidden option of "I don't really care about the way others think about my skill"

But after reading the first 3 post I had to answer for the sake of the poll, I picked:

"I'd ideally be in the upper echelon of players."

This isn't as much about how people think of my skill as it the place I would ideally reach, keyword "ideally".

I know "The Best" is reserved for a rare mix of deep knowledge, perfected skill and lot... lot of time, that by my current schedule and responsibilities it's simply impossible to spend, however I want to think that a "upper echelon" is still within the reach.

I also believe that MMORPG's are for some of us about being the best player that you can be (with your fair share of RL limitations of course) and beyond the entertainment and trill of virtual world that you can share with others, the final feeling of accomplishment of reaching your own limits it's a shinny price for those up to the task.

Interesting poll Mikh, what exactly are you trying to prove with it?

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#11 Jan 06 2011 at 1:10 AM Rating: Decent
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I can't really answer, given I could easily pick both the first and the last option. Most of the options aren't even remotely mutually exclusive, and even if I had to pick the "best" answer for me, I don't think I could.

I guess I'd like to be the best, but then if I'm having fun, why should I care if I'm the worst?
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#12 Jan 06 2011 at 1:16 AM Rating: Good
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Hmm, went ahead and voted "I could be the worst player ever and I'd be fine with that" since that's about the closest to not caring what people think of me. I've been on both ends in various MMOs throughout the years however. I've gotten tells from people about how awesome I was and wished that they could play with more people like me. I've also gotten tells wishing that my mother would die from cancer and that I should kill myself afterward at how bad I was.

I suppose it's nice to be thought of in a good light, but I can't say I go out of my way to do that. I just play to have fun and take the rest in stride I guess.
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#13 Jan 06 2011 at 3:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't really care as long as I'm having fun.

I've had my entire party killed as a BLM several times because I didn't even know what hate control means, but nobody has given me bs about it. Learning through mistakes is part of the fun in games.

When a huge fail-whale strikes and everyone loses to a bunny for one reason or another and the whole party is wiped out that to me is more hilarious than something to blame other players for =D

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#14 Jan 06 2011 at 3:50 AM Rating: Good
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The limit of my desire for recognition is that members of parties I take place consider me as a good player enough to be happy when we party again together!

Don't much care about being the best in a server or such!
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#15 Jan 06 2011 at 6:31 AM Rating: Default
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This thread could do without the fake modesty. Typical, anti-"elitist" ZAM ********* I guess.
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This thread could do without the fake modesty. Typical, anti-"elitist" ZAM bullsh*t, I guess.


What it didnt need was the stupid, childish reaction but that would have been expecting too much.
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#17 Jan 06 2011 at 8:25 AM Rating: Good
I would like to known among the best on the server. I try my best at everything I do. Hopefully one day I will be among the best. ^^

I mean why play a MMO if you don't want widespread recognition? lol

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#18 Jan 06 2011 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good
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As long as folks aren't avoiding me in-game I really don't care what people think, so I chose option 2.

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I'm okay with people thinking that I suck in general, just so long as they realize I have SOME redeeming qualities.
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#19 Jan 06 2011 at 9:44 AM Rating: Decent
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... its not like there are a great many mechanics in XIV to distinguish a competent player from a scrub - but what the ****, upper echelon.
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#20 Jan 06 2011 at 9:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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kenage wrote:
Interesting poll Mikh, what exactly are you trying to prove with it?

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Nothing in particular, just wanted to see how people looked at reputation based on skill.

It's kinda interesting, I expected more people to answer the bottom two than did, and I wasn't really expecting many people to answer the first two at all.

Edited, Jan 6th 2011 10:53am by Mikhalia
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In an online world, where people dont even know who you really are

why does anyone care what others think of them?

Cuz you know, one day, when i am trying to get that job, I can use my MMO friends and coleagues as references and they can tell the interviewer how awesome a raider I am if they call them :)


No really guys, its just a game, people need to get over themselves and not care whos the best, who can do what better then who. Its a friggin game
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youre missing an option:

i dont care what anybody else thinks because its a game and im playing supposedly for fun
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Vedis wrote:
In an online world, where people dont even know who you really are

why does anyone care what others think of them?


I'm thinking that the majority of people still hanging in the game must be the FFXI afficionados, as such because you actually needed the comunity on that game the same preocupation with the way you're perceived is streaming into FFXIV as well.
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#24 Jan 06 2011 at 10:58 AM Rating: Decent
I wouldn't MIND being numbered among the best (though that's not going to happen now that I have IRL obligations, like a family), but I honestly don't care as long as I'm generally known as a good player that can be relied on WHEN I'm online.
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#25 Jan 06 2011 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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Why would someone's goal be to be a terrible player? Obviously success can be measure and weighed in a variety of ways, and the definition is very individualistic, but honestly who plays any online or multiplayer game with the goal of losing or being a burden to others? Unless they are just a real jack off, and at that point who cares what their goal or motives behind being one is?
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Pop recreational psychology lesson, as I'm prone to do.

Among a variety of contexts, individuals have different motivational orientations, generally categorized as either performance-oriented or mastery-oriented. Performance oriented people are concerned with their abilities with respects to normative information; i.e., how good am I compared to others? Mastery oriented people are concerned with personal improvement, meeting their expectations of themselves. It's possible to have both orientations to differing degrees towards any given ability/activity.

So how does this relate to MMOs? Well, "hardcore" players are more likely to be performance oriented. Unfortunately, in a game where progress is defined more by dedication than skill (not just XI and XIV but many other MMOs), that means that the serious players are more likely to value performance to the end that they will be the min/maxers. These are generally the "elitists." There are others who will simply set high goals for themselves-- they may be obsessively goal-oriented, i.e., perfectionists.

Generally in most areas, mastery oriented individuals perform better. But in an MMO, where players spend less time acquiring personal skill and more time developing their character statistically, the game isn't conducive to mastery orientations unless people strongly identify with the game. They're frequently a more competitive environment (even if the game is inherently cooperative, just like many athletes are concerned more with their personal standing than the team's performance). Considering most games don't promote the attainment of personal skill development, most mastery-oriented individuals will eventually leave their game when they realize that their goals are no longer a meaningful measure of personal growth.
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