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#1 Jan 06 2011 at 7:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm from Portugal and I just bought FFXIV for 11,68€. So me and some ppl will start playing on 13th of this month. Some of us are FFXI players and yes, we did read those reviews. Still we are gonna give this game a chance and wait for some SE's major updates =]

Getting to the point..

What server do you advice? (We wanted to start on a medium populated server)

What classes can repair equipment?

What should we know before we step in?

As a FFXI player, what's the FFXIV classes compared to? (Conjurer it's like BLM/WHM, Thaumaturge it's like RDM/BRD, the other's are?)

Explain me more or less the Ward System =]
#2 Jan 06 2011 at 7:27 PM Rating: Default
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Bliyaal wrote:
I'm from Portugal and I just bought FFXIV for 11,68€. So me and some ppl will start playing on 13th of this month. Some of us are FFXI players and yes, we did read those reviews. Still we are gonna give this game a chance and wait for some SE's major updates =]

Getting to the point..

What server do you advice? (We wanted to start on a medium populated server)

(Lol stay off Fabul its got a pretty low population)

What classes can repair equipment?

(All crafting classes)

What should we know before we step in?

(Read the Faq's on the lodestone)

As a FFXI player, what's the FFXIV classes compared to? (Conjurer it's like BLM/WHM, Thaumaturge it's like RDM/BRD, the other's are?)

(Cant really compair them)

Explain me more or less the Ward System =]

Like a auction house pretty much

Edited, Jan 6th 2011 8:29pm by Rankin657
#3 Jan 06 2011 at 7:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Its not like an auction house at all.

don't lie to people


#4 Jan 06 2011 at 8:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Its a bazaar that uses NPCS in place of players with an auction house interface thrown in for telling you where things are in said bazaar but not telling you the price. Think RolanMart meets AH system of XI minus price history.

Every crafting class can repair certain types of equipment except for cooks. Even alchemists can repair wands and such with "growth formula" and "glue" type items. Armorers deal with metal armor, leatherworkers deal with leather armor, goldsmiths fix things made from precious metals and bones which can include both jewelery and weaponry as well as tools made from precious metals. Carpenters tend to repair bows and offhand gathering tools. Blacksmiths repair metal tools and weaponry made from base metals, which are usually Disciple of War.

I suggest the Cornelia realm because that's the only one I have any idea of the population of and it seems "medium-ish" to me.

Marauder is like warrior meets dark knight with massive AOE damage without the magic and self-damaging. Pugilist is monk meets thief minus steal and TA. Lancer is dragoon without the wyvern and plus a few piercing AOE, debuffs, and self-buffs. Gladiator is paladin minus the magic. Archer is, well its an archer... Ranger with no guns as of yet.

Did I miss any?


Edited, Jan 6th 2011 8:16pm by Uryuu
#5 Jan 06 2011 at 8:09 PM Rating: Decent
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you guys don't see the point here.

1. the bazaar system removed the limit of 7 items and expand it by the amount of retainer you need/like

2. you don't have to pay the tax to put up items anymore instead whoever buy it pays it.

3. It open up more possibilities such as using your retainer for other thing like minning or botanist in future.

4. System is fine as it is. Does it eliminate the fact you open several windows during auction house in FFXI? now you just run a little and you get the price without guessing the prices.
#6 Jan 06 2011 at 8:19 PM Rating: Decent
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you guys don't see the point here.

1. the bazaar system removed the limit of 7 items and expand it by the amount of retainer you need/like

2. you don't have to pay the tax to put up items anymore instead whoever buy it pays it.

3. It open up more possibilities such as using your retainer for other thing like minning or botanist in future.

4. System is fine as it is. Does it eliminate the fact you open several windows during auction house in FFXI? now you just run a little and you get the price without guessing the prices.


And you (and most people) dont see that the current market wards ARE an AH just that you dont pick the items up at your mailbox, but from a retainer.


Edited, Jan 6th 2011 9:20pm by CroBudi
#7 Jan 06 2011 at 8:27 PM Rating: Decent
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The current ward system is not like an AH. -_-;

If it was like an AH it would function like one...it doesn't.

The way the wards work is you have your NPC that you can use as a kind of a MH and a person who stands in the "specified" ward to sell things.

Yes there is a search feature, however, you can only sell certian items in certian wards. For example, I am selling a wand, well if you are searching for a wand you look it up in the "Spellcraft" ward. And there will be stars over the NPC's heads stating which one is selling them. The search feature will also tell you how many are being sold in that ward.

Now in the other wards, there COULD be someone selling that same item, but the search feature won't tell you that because it's not in the proper ward. You would actually have to go to ward to ward to see if anyone else maybe selling it. A star will appear above their heads as well.

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#8 Jan 06 2011 at 8:29 PM Rating: Default
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#9 Jan 06 2011 at 9:39 PM Rating: Decent
LillithaFenimore wrote:
If it was like an AH it would function like one...it doesn't.

Imo, it does.

LillithaFenimore wrote:
The way the wards work is you have your NPC that you can use as a kind of a MH and a person who stands in the "specified" ward to sell things.

Yes there is a search feature, however, you can only sell certian items in certian wards. For example, I am selling a wand, well if you are searching for a wand you look it up in the "Spellcraft" ward. And there will be stars over the NPC's heads stating which one is selling them. The search feature will also tell you how many are being sold in that ward.

So whats the difference? People still can see the items IF they are in the correct ward, but if some idiots put it in the wrong ward its the players fault. The search function works like the AH, you look for the item you want, and instead to buy it and recieve it per mail, you walk to the "mailbox"-retainerr and buy it. Well, of course you are limited in your selling, but you usually dont have 5 different kinds of items you sell... (I for example have one retainer for loot/shards and another one for Gear - and I have no problems selling my stuff)

LillithaFenimore wrote:
Now in the other wards, there COULD be someone selling that same item, but the search feature won't tell you that because it's not in the proper ward. You would actually have to go to ward to ward to see if anyone else maybe selling it. A star will appear above their heads as well.

Not the problem of the Market Ward System, but of the seller and YOU. You are supporting the idiots who can't put their Weapons into the Battlecraft Ward, but sell them at the Crystaliers Ward.

Sorry, but it's really making me mad that everyone complains about AH when you have one right in your face. Implementing an AH is the LEAST IMPORTANT thing at the moment, and probably for ever. I already know your and the forums reaction to this post... Its one of the reasons I stay away from posting MY OPINION, but I can make an exception this time.
#10 Jan 06 2011 at 9:49 PM Rating: Decent
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They really are not alike at all.

the market wards are designed to keep certain price and quantity numbers hidden, with the intent to artificially keep prices high enough to allow crafters to keep making a profit, so said Mr. Tanaka in an interview shortly before he was removed. It is an intentional inefficient market, whereas most forms of auctions are an attempt to make sales at the equilibrium price.
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#11 Jan 06 2011 at 9:52 PM Rating: Decent
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They really are not alike at all.

the market wards are designed to keep certain price and quantity numbers hidden, with the intent to artificially keep prices high enough to allow crafters to keep making a profit, so said Mr. Tanaka in an interview shortly before he was removed. It is an intentional inefficient market, whereas most forms of auctions are an attempt to make sales at the equilibrium price.


prices are NOT hidden. Is it THAT hard to look at 2 retainers to COMPARE the prizes? no! And with the search function the quantity is also visible, duh.

Using a pre-search function interview, with someone who isn't in charge anymore to prove your point is not very inteligent.

Edited, Jan 6th 2011 10:57pm by CroBudi
#12 Jan 06 2011 at 10:50 PM Rating: Decent
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CroBudi wrote:
KujaKoF wrote:
They really are not alike at all.

the market wards are designed to keep certain price and quantity numbers hidden, with the intent to artificially keep prices high enough to allow crafters to keep making a profit, so said Mr. Tanaka in an interview shortly before he was removed. It is an intentional inefficient market, whereas most forms of auctions are an attempt to make sales at the equilibrium price.


prices are NOT hidden. Is it THAT hard to look at 2 retainers to COMPARE the prizes? no! And with the search function the quantity is also visible, duh.

Using a pre-search function interview, with someone who isn't in charge anymore to prove your point is not very inteligent.

Edited, Jan 6th 2011 10:57pm by CroBudi


First off, yes, it is very difficult to compare ALL relevant prices, as you should be able to in a good market. No, quantity is not completely visible, as other wards and players are not included. Both of those things create market inefficiencies as I said.

Please tell me how a guy losing his job, some how negates the intentions of a system that his people designed? Again, an AH ideally gives you all relevant information, and even if not, it still gives you equal access to each item being sold, the market wards do not.

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#13 Jan 06 2011 at 11:08 PM Rating: Decent
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First off, yes, it is very difficult to compare ALL relevant prices, as you should be able to in a good market. No, quantity is not completely visible, as other wards and players are not included. Both of those things create market inefficiencies as I said.


Yes, I like it that way, 3 different AHs in each city, epic. seriously, who cares about that, just check what the players sell and for how much, its not like you have to browse through 100 people. And with rank20+ you should know what cities sell what more frequentyl/cheaper (at least I do) - or you dont because you simply hate the system and dont care to adapt to it. Your fault.

<The problem with FFXIV is, that everyone wants it to be "his" dream game, so they try to change everything the dont like. Well, why dont just live with the Market "AH" Ward, the Repair System, the Crafting system and the "so called" broken sp gain...?>

KujaKoF wrote:
Please tell me how a guy losing his job, some how negates the intentions of a system that his people designed? Again, an AH ideally gives you all relevant information, and even if not, it still gives you equal access to each item being sold, the market wards do not.


He did not "design" the search function, your argument is invalid. The point was that the interview was made BEFORE the search function was even a topic.
#14 Jan 06 2011 at 11:37 PM Rating: Good
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I choose to ask my linkshell if someone has or can make whatever it is that I'm looking to buy before hitting up the wards. If someone's ripping people off they will have their reputation to think of as an incentive not to, as well as giving back to the linkshell and building a good reputation for yourself as well. I do the same for repairs so my linkshell mates know I pay well and gladly help me repair my spear or other gear.

I just prefer to deal with real people before wading through the abyss that is the wards. This is an MMO, so communication will get you far.
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#15 Jan 06 2011 at 11:44 PM Rating: Good
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Way to go turning this guy's happy thread into a war zone guys.

To the original poster, welcome to Final Fantasy 14, I hope you have a fun time playing with your friends.

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What server do you advice? (We wanted to start on a medium populated server)

What classes can repair equipment?

What should we know before we step in?

As a FFXI player, what's the FFXIV classes compared to? (Conjurer it's like BLM/WHM, Thaumaturge it's like RDM/BRD, the other's are?)

Explain me more or less the Ward System =]


1.) I can't really recommend a server, I would guess it's pretty hit and miss, but you should be able to get an idea of which servers are more or less populated when you create your character.

2.) All of the Disciple of Hand classes can repair equipment, and what they can repair is naturally reflected by the type of crafting they do.

3.) What to know before stepping in? I can't think of much other than keeping in mind this forum doesn't necessarily reflect the nature of the community in game (thank god).

4.) I have not played a melee character so I can't really compare, but the Conjurer has a combination of offensive skills like a black mage as well as support skills like a white mage. Thaumaturge I'd say has a combination of offensive and enfeebling skills that remind me of a red mage and maybe a dark knight (absorb def, atk, etc.)

5.) Ward System? I personally don't have a problem using it and finding what I need, but I refuse to comment lest I incur the wrath of people on these forums waiting to pounce on someone who says anything good or bad about the system.

Cheers, and again have fun.

Edited, Jan 7th 2011 12:50am by ThePacster
#16 Jan 07 2011 at 12:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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What server do you advice? (We wanted to start on a medium populated server)
When you load up the game and create a character, it will tell you the rough population of the various servers. I'd suggest using that as your guide and calling your friends to let them know your choice. It's hard to tell specific server populations exactly since we can no longer see how many players are online.

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What classes can repair equipment?
The repairs depend on the item. Blacksmiths can repair swords and other metallic weaponry while weavers repair clothes and goldsmiths repair jewellery. There is an NPC you can visit for repairs, but they're relatively expensive and he will only repair them to 75% strength rather than to full. You will require specific materials to repair your equipment, which varies from item to item.

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Peistes are evil. Goobbues are evil. Non-guildleve Yarzons are vicious. Morbols have bad breath. Birds are deadly. Avoid, avoid, avoid. At least until the higher ranks.

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As a FFXI player, what's the FFXIV classes compared to? (Conjurer it's like BLM/WHM, Thaumaturge it's like RDM/BRD, the other's are?)
You've got CON nailed down, but THM is more like RDM/DRK, but minus the melee capabilities. They use banish and scourge spells to deal light and dark elemental damage along with their enfeebles. They also have spells such as Absorb-DEF and Siphon MP making them more closely resemble the Dark Magic set of skills from FFXI.

In truth, however, this all matters very little since you can use skills from any class in the same discipline. There are technically four disciplines but as you can mix magic/war, I consider it to be only three. These are Disciple of War/Magic, Disciple of the Land and Disciple of the Hand. The first is your combat, the second is gathering and the last is crafting. Many skills are reduced in effectiveness when cross-classed, but are still reasonably effective unlike, for example, having a 75 PLD/BLM trying to nuke.

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I'll leave this one since it's already been contested over in the above posts. Welcome to Eorzea!

Edited, Jan 7th 2011 1:09am by Glitterhands
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#17 Jan 07 2011 at 12:46 AM Rating: Good
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Ill just answer your server question since thats all i care about atm :)

Beseid is very well populated, if you want somewhere like that, come to Beseid.
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#18GuardianFaith, Posted: Jan 07 2011 at 1:15 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) WoW's AH fixes every single one of these problems and kicks the market system's A S S.
#19 Jan 07 2011 at 1:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Back to helping the original poster... please?
#20 Jan 07 2011 at 1:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Welcome to XIV!

From what I understand there are no dead servers.
On Fabul at least the population seems pretty steady everywhere.

For future reference mentioning AH in any sentence on XIV forum is a sure way to make the internet explode.


The market isn't exactly an AH but with some trouble you'll be able to find what you're looking for. Coming from XI I don't see that big of a difference except that AH was faster to use.

The search has improved the XIV system 400% from what it was at release.
#21 Jan 07 2011 at 1:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Not the problem of the Market Ward System, but of the seller and YOU. You are supporting the idiots who can't put their Weapons into the Battlecraft Ward, but sell them at the Crystaliers Ward.

Sorry, but it's really making me mad that everyone complains about AH when you have one right in your face. Implementing an AH is the LEAST IMPORTANT thing at the moment, and probably for ever. I already know your and the forums reaction to this post... Its one of the reasons I stay away from posting MY OPINION, but I can make an exception this time.


Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You clearly are obtuse if you think that most people only have two different types of items to sell. In order to make anything you will be using items from several crafting disciplines. You will have items that you pick up from DoL, from monster drops and from leve quests. At any given time it would be unusual to have item appropriate to no less then 6 or 8 different wards. Your retainers can only be placed in one ward. So if one of my two reatainers are selling the rank 10 weapon I just replaced upon attaining rank 20 and an appropriate weapon, 3 of the logs I got while harvesting to build the new weapon, some meat and leather that I got farming crystals, the extra ingots and rivets and such that I had left over from making that weapon along with some of the armor and clothing that I am longer using then I have items belonging in no less than eight different wards. I place my retainers in the wards appropriate to the items I want to move fastest.

Even someone as thick skulled as yourself will see that those items placed appropriately will be sold sooner than the extra items that are put up for sale on my retainers. Between the time when the item is sold and the ward crashes or I log in and get back to the wards my retainers will be in the wrong ward. Just like yours will be if you ever have more than two different types of things to sell.

Until SE makes it so that a retainer that has sold all of the items appropriate to it's current ward is able to move to the next appropriate ward this will continue. Calling people idiots because of your own lack of intelligence is not productive.
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#22 Jan 07 2011 at 1:52 AM Rating: Good
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Bodhum is a great server to be on!

Lots of fun people ^^

It's not really heavily packed but at the same time I don't think I've ever seen an RMT train..... not yet at least.
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#23 Jan 07 2011 at 1:57 AM Rating: Decent
It's an AW (Auction Ward) ^^

Most AH's I have used have a search function that shows you the details of all the items you serached for, item amount, price, quality etc. The AW only shows you that there is items available and where to get them, its up to the user to manually go and find said items.


So no its not a AH but instead a AW.
#24 Jan 07 2011 at 1:59 AM Rating: Default
yeah I do think people have only 1-2 different types of items to sell (which are not junk).

Im using only ONE retainer and I'm sitting on my pile of gil, and im not the only one...


Edited, Jan 7th 2011 3:01am by CroBudi
#25 Jan 07 2011 at 2:10 AM Rating: Decent
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KujaKoF wrote:
...with the intent to artificially keep prices high...


While I'm not saying it isn't possible, how would you do it?



EDIT:

Just wanted to interject a small, but potentially important, distinction in market strategy here:

IlethiusTarraban wrote:
Most AH's I have used have a search function that shows you the details of all the items you serached for ... price ...


The FFXI AH never showed you the price of the item.

Edited, Jan 7th 2011 12:33am by Gutspraygore
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#26 Jan 07 2011 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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A simple way to put it:

FFXI = eBay

FFXIV = craigslist


However, I don't think anyone outside of the US will understand the craigslist comparison, but that's how I see it.
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#27 Jan 07 2011 at 11:08 AM Rating: Default
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FFXIV = craigslist


Jerk my crystal bro!
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#28 Jan 07 2011 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Ill just answer your server question since thats all i care about atm :)

Besaid is very well populated, if you want somewhere like that, come to Besaid.


I would have to agree. Come to Besaid! There are plenty of talkative people there, and I'm sure that you would have no problem finding a linkshell to join there. (We're always looking for new people!)
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