I disagree about chain pulling contributing to a mindless grind. In FFXI it made partying fun, in fact the one thing I miss most about FFXI lately is the partying. To me, a boring grind is when you stand alone, surrounded by mobs you can kill on your own, knocking them out with no one to talk to about it, getting little exp per kill. Boring.
This is where we pretty much agree.
ANY grind is boring.
If you are doing a repetitive action for no other purpose than to level up, it is dull. Doing boring things over and over again for financial gain, or other advantage, is called work. (I do enough of that personally).
Every mmo involves grind, but the good ones engineer it so that people play for fun and the xp is a side benefit, not the ONLY benefit. (Eg i did most of my leveling in WaR doing pvp scenarios which i enjoyed for their own sake).
To use a FFXIV example, before the sp change, grinding efts was the accepted 'best' way to level.
Were people grinding efts for the fun of killing efts over and over again? No of course not. You would have be a pretty 'special' person to enjoy doing standard attack 1000 times in a row.
They did it for the sp and ONLY the sp, that is what i define as mindless grind and the suggestion that adding a bonus for killing creatures more quickly would do anything other than to encourage mindless grinding is... well misleading.
For an sp group to be considered 'effective' and therefore worth doing, the risk of the party being wiped or people dying has to be extremely low. Otherwise the sp gain (which i have already shown is the only point of the excercise) would be negatively affected.
A much better idea would be to increase the sp gain of extremely difficult mobs where the chances of the party wiping are significantly higher than 50%. (eg mobs are red to the party)
THAT I would consider a challenge. It would also be a nice incentive to get people to work together to kill creatures that are fun to kill rather than just grinding on the same mobs that are easy to kill with a standard party.
P.s. I have not addressed your point about enjoying partying.... So do I. But that has nothing to do with WHAT you are doing. It is only about WHO you are doing it with. You would get equal enjoyment from going to the pub with those same people.
Enjoying being social is called being human. Edited, Jan 8th 2011 12:55pm by Alias3