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#1 Jan 07 2011 at 10:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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I keep running across claims that when an item is listed with a zero beside it in the Market Ward search it signifies availability in another ward. I.E. if Tin Squares have a zero beside them when you search the Ironmongers Ward it means they are for sale in another ward, such as the Battlecraft Ward.

If you've ever been online when the Market Wards crash, you know this is wrong, because just about everything will be listed with a zero and there will be essentially no retainers present to be selling much of anything, but since I'm seeing this claim more and more I took the liberty of running a test.

First I had to find an item that wasn't already in the Database. I ran across Tin Squares a few days ago when I attempted to repair my Tin Alembic. As you can see in the below screen shot, Tin Squares are not in the item search database at all. This is because they haven't yet been listed on a bazaar in the Ironmongers Ward.

[img=http://i52.tinypic.com/14ljack.jpg]

Then I had to see if when I placed the Tin Squares in my retainer's bazaar, which was in the Tradescraft Ward, would they show up with a zero beside them.

[img=http://i53.tinypic.com/2v967uc.jpg]

This did not happen, and after waiting almost twenty minutes, Tin Squares still remained absent in the item search; zero or no zero.

[img=http://i56.tinypic.com/4tstx4.jpg]

Then I proceeded to place my retainer in the Ironmongers Ward, and after only two minutes, Tin Squares were now listed in the item search.

[img=http://i55.tinypic.com/2nq9o5g.jpg]

As I expected, when I removed them from my retainers bazaar the item search entry did not go away, but instead was simply listed as zero.

[img=http://i56.tinypic.com/ot21rr.jpg]

If I remember correctly, this is exactly how the AH worked on FFXI. An item did not show up in a specific AH listing until it had been put up for sale in that specific AH, and once it had the listing remained whether there was currently an item being sold or not.

This may have been obvious to many of you, but I hope it cleared up some confusion for the rest.

EDIT: Apparently the IMG markup does not work on here. Is this a premium only feature or did I simply do it wrong?

EDIT: Resized the pictures since I can't put actual screenshots on here.

Edited, Jan 7th 2011 10:34pm by Invalice

Edited, Jan 7th 2011 10:36pm by Invalice
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#2 Jan 07 2011 at 10:34 PM Rating: Default
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Yeah, it's definitely incorrect. The number denotes the total number in all wards (combined) in that city. The item may have a 10 next to it, but when you head to the proper ward, you may only find four starred retainers there. The other 6 are scattered to **** and gone. A 0 means you're SOL for now, unfortunately. lol
#3 Jan 07 2011 at 10:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elswick78 wrote:
Yeah, it's definitely incorrect. The number denotes the total number in all wards (combined) in that city. The item may have a 10 next to it, but when you head to the proper ward, you may only find four starred retainers there. The other 6 are scattered to **** and gone. A 0 means you're SOL for now, unfortunately. lol


This isn't correct either, and hopefully I didn't come across as if I was saying this. The number only denotes what is listed in the ward that is appropriate for the item. However, it can say zero and still be for sale in another ward. What people were claiming is that IF it said zero than it WAS for sale in some other ward, which is untrue.

If it happens to be for sale in another ward it is merely coincidence.

Edited, Jan 7th 2011 10:51pm by Invalice
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#4 Jan 07 2011 at 10:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elswick78 wrote:
Yeah, it's definitely incorrect. The number denotes the total number in all wards (combined) in that city. The item may have a 10 next to it, but when you head to the proper ward, you may only find four starred retainers there. The other 6 are scattered to **** and gone. A 0 means you're SOL for now, unfortunately. lol


::facepalm:: No, no no, that's totally wrong. The item having a number 10 next to it means there is 10 STACKS(or single items, but stacks count as +1, whether they are partial or full stacks) in the correct ward. That means there may only be 4 retainers, but between them there are 10 stacks of the item total. (or singles. or partial stacks.)

The number does NOT show the amount of an item that are in the wrong wards whatsoever. It can say 0 next to an item, yet you can find that item in the (wrong) ward.
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#5 Jan 07 2011 at 10:43 PM Rating: Decent
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PsionCrystalis wrote:
::facepalm:: No, no no, that's totally wrong. The item having a number 10 next to it means there is 10 STACKS(or single items, but stacks count as +1, whether they are partial or full stacks) in the correct ward. That means there may only be 4 retainers, but between them there are 10 stacks of the item total. (or singles. or partial stacks.)

The number does NOT show the amount of an item that are in the wrong wards whatsoever. It can say 0 next to an item, yet you can find that item in the (wrong) ward.


Exactly.
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#6 Jan 07 2011 at 11:02 PM Rating: Good
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PsionCrystalis wrote:
Elswick78 wrote:
Yeah, it's definitely incorrect. The number denotes the total number in all wards (combined) in that city. The item may have a 10 next to it, but when you head to the proper ward, you may only find four starred retainers there. The other 6 are scattered to **** and gone. A 0 means you're SOL for now, unfortunately. lol


::facepalm:: No, no no, that's totally wrong. The item having a number 10 next to it means there is 10 STACKS(or single items, but stacks count as +1, whether they are partial or full stacks) in the correct ward. That means there may only be 4 retainers, but between them there are 10 stacks of the item total. (or singles. or partial stacks.)

The number does NOT show the amount of an item that are in the wrong wards whatsoever. It can say 0 next to an item, yet you can find that item in the (wrong) ward.


Swing and a miss. Lol. Sorry guys. My mistake. :)
#7KingWinterclaw, Posted: Jan 07 2011 at 11:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) May assumption is that a 0 means they are there but in the wrong ward while it not being listed means it's not in any of the wards.
#8 Jan 07 2011 at 11:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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KingWinterclaw wrote:
May assumption is that a 0 means they are there but in the wrong ward while it not being listed means it's not in any of the wards.


That's exactly the claim I just got done evaluating in the original post.

It does not work like that. An item is not listed at all until that item is posted in a bazaar that is located in the appropriate ward, and the listing exists from then on, whether there is any of that item for sale or not.

I just explained it, but I'll go over it more concisely.

1. Tin Squares were not listed at all in the item search database, and had never been as far as I can tell.

2. I posted Tin Squares on my bazaar in the Tradescraft Ward, and waited a good twenty minutes to let them load into the database and they never showed up in the item search.

3. I moved my bazaar to the Ironmongers Ward and they showed up on the listing almost instantly, an when I took them off my bazaar the listing still showed, only it showed as a zero.

Edited, Jan 7th 2011 11:42pm by Invalice
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#9 Jan 08 2011 at 12:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Totally off topic, sorry, but I like your desktop wallpaper. Where did you get it from?
#10pixelpop, Posted: Jan 08 2011 at 1:00 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i bought boots and a hat today that both had 0s next to them and found them in the incorrect wards, infact both were in the battle ward in uldah, so i dont think your statement is totally true.
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Edited, Jan 8th 2011 12:51pm by Shredmastah
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#12 Jan 08 2011 at 9:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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pixelpop wrote:
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A 0 means you're SOL for now, unfortunately. lol
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i bought boots and a hat today that both had 0s next to them and found them in the incorrect wards, infact both were in the battle ward in uldah, so i dont think your statement is totally true.

infact, i find 0 items in the wrong wards so often i could probly make a video and youtube it.



That may very well be true - but as the OP stated, having 0 items in the Search Counter does not NECESSARILY mean that the item is available in a different (wrong) ward. It might be in another word, but it might not. The presence of items in the wrong wards has nothing to do with the number in the search counter.

What the number DOES mean is that it was recently available in the right ward, but has sold out. That's it. The 0 is essentially a 'cached' entry for the item.

OP, thanks for explaining this several times, with proof. Hopefully we can put this issue to rest now.
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#13 Jan 08 2011 at 10:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you can't be bothered to take 15 seconds to read the OP, don't bother to take 15 seconds to post incorrect info. It is people like this who make these forums downright unbearable at times...
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#14 Jan 08 2011 at 11:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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To add a useful piece of inforamtion (which I am sure many already know but some may not) if you tag the item in search to show the stars it will show them regardless of which ward the retainer is in. So as the OP said it may or may not exist in another ward if its listed as 0 in the ward search, if its somethign you really need take a moment to tag it and hop from ward to ward and you might find one.

To further confirm his findings I have gone through all wards on 2 separate occasions looking for specific dodo leather parts that came up as 0 and were not available on another retainer througout

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