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#52 Jan 11 2011 at 12:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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They are not white knights, or defenders, they are hypocrite's.

Remember from release date up to before SE came out and said "Sorry our bad, this game sucks!" Anybody that dared to question this game was faced with "Oh go back to wow, you dont know what a good game is, this is the greatest game developed ever, this game is not for scrubs that like to faceroll, or have their hands held and my personal favorite "This game will turn into the greatest MMO ever created it has the POTENTIAL XD!" Remember the reviews ? and all the theories the fanboy's came up with ? Lmao! my personal favorite "Oh they dont know wtf they are talking about they only played up to lvl 10-15, every body knows the game is fun at lvl 45+"

Then once SE came out and admitted to what everybody else had said was true, the fanboy's gave little ground, the game was still the greatest thing to hit the market, to them it was GROUND BREAKING!

Now SE came out and said hey "What if we go NGE?" and now they are all for it XD!

I don't recall that many people saying the game was perfect when it was released. I do however recall plenty of people saying the game was still enjoyable, and it is for some of us despite what others might choose to believe. And yes, the game does still have potential. The groundwork is in place for some great additions, all it needs is the time to get that content to the players and, in some cases, a drastic overhaul (I'm looking at you, combat system).

SE admitted that it wasn't up to the players standard, not necessarily their own, and they couldn't really deny this much because of the backlash given to them by the majority of those who played it. I started pretty much near release day, and found a plethora of bugs and slowdowns, crashes and annoyances. Many of which have now been ironed out or removed entirely. Is it perfect now? Not by a long shot, but its definitely improving by leaps and bounds.

As for player reviews, there were a percentage of them where the 'reviewer' in question wasn't actually writing on their own experiences, but were copying (practically verbatim) what other people had wrote. Another issue I had was that I found at least 2 reviews where the player in question hadn't even gotten to rank 5, let alone 15. Had they known about viewing player profiles on Lodestone, maybe they would have thought twice about lying about their experiences. It was largely a case of jumping on the bandwagon, though I do agree with the few genuine reviews I read out there.

I don't think many people want a genuine "New Game Experience" just a tidy up of things which went horribly awry with the design of the game. Classes aren't distinct enough, and combat feels uninspired. Spells are forgettable and SP gains don't reflect monster difficulty as they should. Crafting feels too random (even by FFXI's standards) and the gathering hot/cold games get dull quickly. All the same, there are aspects of the game I enjoy and continue to enjoy.

There will be people who hate the game and there will be people who love the game. The rest of us are sitting in limbo waiting to see what Square-Enix will make of this game and hoping beyond hope that the end results justify the wait.
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#53 Jan 11 2011 at 1:47 AM Rating: Decent
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-points to my sig-

It will be this way forever


and for the record A NGE could make this game fun in less than 6 months, while remodeling the game as it is will take years some of the faults are far to ingrained

Edited, Jan 11th 2011 2:49am by BriktheImmortal
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#54 Jan 11 2011 at 2:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Or, maybe your so-called "White Knights" actually enjoy the games they say are "great" and/or "awesome" in their current state(s?) and wish to see them remain unchanged in their core mechanics while having the effort spent on making the game "troll-friendly" instead directed towards new content and updates.
A troll will NEVER be happy with what they have. Just take a look at any game's forums and you'll see them harping away while your infamous "White Knights" tell them to shut the heck up because they are tired of hearing complaints about every fricking thing under the sun from the size of a character's nether-regions to the amount of time it takes to beat a boss.



Edited, Jan 11th 2011 6:15am by Uryuu
#55 Jan 11 2011 at 6:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Or, maybe your so-called "White Knights" actually enjoy the games they say are "great" and/or "awesome" in their current state(s?) and wish to see them remain unchanged in their core mechanics while having the effort spend on making the game "troll-friendly" instead directed towards new content and updates.
A troll will NEVER be happy with what they have. Just take a look at any game's forums and you'll see them harping away while your infamous "White Knights" tell them to shut the heck up because they are tired of hearing complaints about every fricking thing under the sun from the size of a character's nether-regions to the amount of time it takes to beat a boss.

Edited, Jan 11th 2011 2:08am by Uryuu


The whole White knight/troll argument is getting a bit stale.

Honestly I hate that stupid article for shining so much light on those labels.

I dont play the game much, but I keep it installed as I would love to see it get better, but I know the game as a whole is crap. a steaming pile of crap. Sure, some aspects of the game are good but they hardly work well together.

Regardless of how you would label yourself the game is garbage. both sides know it. you are right though, the "white Knights" just want the "Trolls" to shut up already. Only the complaints are warranted and hardly about nothing.

I dont understand how anyone can fear a NGE when theres so much wrong with the current one.

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#56 Jan 11 2011 at 6:18 AM Rating: Decent
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I label myself neither, as I know the game has issues, however everyone likes different things, and I can assure you at least a half thousand forum-goers would hate to see the game changed radically. And, as the saying goes, for every person who says something, there is a thousand who would feel that way if asked.
#57 Jan 11 2011 at 8:44 AM Rating: Default
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Vedis wrote:
AuryanofAsura wrote:
this game sucks. they can barely get people to play for free



thanks for an example of the type of person who really doesnt help anything here and just looks stupid in the process :)

This is what I was talking about by unhelpful hating trolls


No need to be upset, but I do however understand your feelings of frustration. It
s hard to justify spending so much time grinding in a game that'll be shut down by mid year.
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#58 Jan 11 2011 at 9:57 AM Rating: Decent
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AuryanofAsura wrote:
Vedis wrote:
AuryanofAsura wrote:
this game sucks. they can barely get people to play for free



thanks for an example of the type of person who really doesnt help anything here and just looks stupid in the process :)

This is what I was talking about by unhelpful hating trolls


No need to be upset, but I do however understand your feelings of frustration. It
s hard to justify spending so much time grinding in a game that'll be shut down by mid year.


I find it very interesting that you can read peoples minds simply by reading some text over the internet. Can you not consider for a moment that some people actually like this game? and that SE could not let a flagship FF title 'Die' in less than a year? I can truly understand that some or even a lot or even most people not liking this game. We've been over the faults.
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#59 Jan 11 2011 at 10:05 AM Rating: Default
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AuryanofAsura wrote:
Vedis wrote:
AuryanofAsura wrote:
this game sucks. they can barely get people to play for free



thanks for an example of the type of person who really doesnt help anything here and just looks stupid in the process :)

This is what I was talking about by unhelpful hating trolls


No need to be upset, but I do however understand your feelings of frustration. It
s hard to justify spending so much time grinding in a game that'll be shut down by mid year.


thank you for reinforcing my point even further by making yet another 100% ignorant post thaty contributes nothing to the conversation :)
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Vedis wrote:
AuryanofAsura wrote:
Vedis wrote:
AuryanofAsura wrote:
this game sucks. they can barely get people to play for free



thanks for an example of the type of person who really doesnt help anything here and just looks stupid in the process :)

This is what I was talking about by unhelpful hating trolls


No need to be upset, but I do however understand your feelings of frustration. It
s hard to justify spending so much time grinding in a game that'll be shut down by mid year.


thank you for reinforcing my point even further by making yet another 100% ignorant post thaty contributes nothing to the conversation :)


And how long has it been now since SE contributed anything meaningful to the conversation? A bit longer than it should have been, imho.
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Believe it or not, trolls are gamers as well... They happen to be the majority.. if trolls can't be bothered to troll a game that shows how much the game fails already.. it's like saying bots/hacks don't exist for a particular game.. it shows how much hack developers find no real revenue for selling a hack for that particular game.. (i.e. lack of player pop)

So in essence the day this servers sees no trolls at all is the day this game will auto fail just like vanguard.. I still have faith in this game .. but honestly if nothing changes by March .. I am pretty much gone a long with all the trolls to play Rift.. Then all you white knights and fanboys can enjoy your troll free dead game :D

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#62 Jan 11 2011 at 12:03 PM Rating: Decent
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*** trolls is synonymous to critics, on the fence fans, and nay sayers in my context***


Well...

I love the Nostalgia Critic, Chick, Brad, Spoony and AVGN and they aren't trolling..maybe AVGN to some extent, just look at the comments on a NC video, how he points out how bad (insert your child hood favorite movie) is and people go "Oh I used to love this movie, now that you shown me it's **** I ******* hate it"..that's a critic. On the fence I don't think should ever be synonymous with trolling, nay sayers though, yeah because they want no one to like it.

So trolls are gamers yes but they're the reason most games are **** or "omfg yet another WoW clone which is a clone of any Mud/MMO that came out in the 90s!"

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This thread was more of a WoW vs FFXIV based Poll, but I just thought I'd point out some interesting data.

Out of 438 responders, 32.5% said they were in it for the long haul unless SE really screws something up. 15.3% said they were probably staying. 14.7% were on the fence, etc... The interesting result is the first one: 9.4%, or 41 people out of 438, voted "FFXIV could shoot my dog/cat/child and I will still play it forever."

Now while I can't claim that everyone who voted for that option feels the same, or that the following statement applies to all of these people, it does go to show that there is at least a portion of the player base in whose eyes SE can do no wrong. There are some people for whom np amount of flaws, bugs, issues, RMT, broken systems, terrible service, or anything could ever convince them that there is even a single problem with the game; they could believe that it is perfect and that anyone who thinks the game has even the tiniest thing that could be improved upon is a terrible troll who needs to shut up and leave. (Disclaimer for repetition: I wish to reiterate that I'm sure this statement does not apply to EVERYONE who voted for that option)

Of course, conversely, there are people in the opposite crowd as well. There are plenty of people who believe that SE can do no right; that no amount of fixes, patches, content, refunds, or anything could ever give the game even a single redeeming quality, and that anyone who has even one tiny thing to say that could possibly be thought of as positive is just a fanboy.

Both of these types are lost causes and I honestly feel that anyone who either feels that the game is irredeemable or that the game is perfect and flawless both need to stay out of it, because neither opinion helps anyone or anything.

It is in the balance of opinions in the middle, the players who see, understand, and believe that the game has both positive sides that are well done as well as negative features that need improving upon... these are the players who will make the most headway in terms of both civil, logical debate as well as feedback to improve the game and make sure it stays on the right path to progress.
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#65 Jan 12 2011 at 10:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Active subscriptions speak more then forum posts on fan sites.

Let's be honest, if they truely cared about what the forums said they would create their own and actively engage their player base in direct communication.
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Metin wrote:
AuryanofAsura wrote:
Vedis wrote:
AuryanofAsura wrote:
this game sucks. they can barely get people to play for free



thanks for an example of the type of person who really doesnt help anything here and just looks stupid in the process :)

This is what I was talking about by unhelpful hating trolls


No need to be upset, but I do however understand your feelings of frustration. It
s hard to justify spending so much time grinding in a game that'll be shut down by mid year.


I find it very interesting that you can read peoples minds simply by reading some text over the internet. Can you not consider for a moment that some people actually like this game? and that SE could not let a flagship FF title 'Die' in less than a year? I can truly understand that some or even a lot or even most people not liking this game. We've been over the faults.


I don't know that it's necessarily wise to fall under the impression that there's anything about the FF franchise or brand that can save FFXIV all on its own. Whether it's called 'Final Fantasy' or ******** Hero', when the money runs out, the money runs out. It's costing SE easily hundreds of thousands of dollars every month to "fix" the game and has been since it launched almost four months ago. It will continue to cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars every month and until they start charging people to play, they're not balancing that cost with any income much less beginning to recover the millions upon millions of dollars it cost them to develop the game over the last 5-6 years. I'm not implying that I want to see SE pull the plug, but let's face the facts. SE has been relying almost solely on the strength of the franchise to sell games for the last several years and sooner or later it's entirely possible that if they keep up this level of quality, the brand recognition well is going to run dry.
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Apparently FFXIV forums are the only place to freely come and express your disgust or enthusiasm for the game. So I'll come here! XD

I'll just add to the misery to these forums. "Oh no, FFXIV is gonna die!" "FFXIV is awesome! ::jump up and down with gigglies and lollipops!::

Why don't we all here on the forums, either

1) Get lost if you don't play the game. You're a waste of database space.

2) If you do play the game, quit complaining if you can't find anything good to say about the game, or just simply QUIT THE GAME. Or

3) If you do play the game and enjoy it, provide feedback to what your ideas of improving the game even more, would be.

Just sayin. ::shrug::
Put me down for #1. I quit a long time ago. I don't want to waste my time playing a game I don't have much fun with "hoping" it will improve. I occasionally check back here and in the game once in a while to see if anything significant has changed that would make it enjoyable. I liked the core concepts in the game, they were just executed terribly. Obviously I'm still waiting. I won't even play this game for free as it currently stands, much less pay to play.

My opinion is scrap this ****, take what positives you got from the game and start over with a new name once it's actually been in the oven long enough to be worthy of a real release.

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#69 Jan 12 2011 at 4:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Do you realize how long this is gonna take to clean up the mess? It's getting towards the middle of January with pratically no word or update to the game. Everything has been put to halt, and the new devs are obviously clueless as to what to do to fix it. Asking us what will make the game better.


One thing I took away from S-E's poll is that they DO have a pretty good idea of what issues are bothering players the most. I saw several people mention that they wanted to check every radio button on the list of what issues they should fix first, because everything on the list really did need fixing. I felt the same way looking at those questions.

They were also clearly trying to gauge just how radically they could revise some aspects of the game without completely destroying the playerbase, that could mean the new guy already has some fairly radical revisions in mind, or maybe not. Perhaps they just wanted some idea how radically outside the box to think, what they could "get away" with.

And that's where we come in. I do believe complaints and suggestions from this and other fan sites are monitored to some degree, and no matter how much people *****, moan, and argue with eachother, it provides a useful insight into the community's state of mind. It might even provide some good ideas for improvement, since the new guy doesn't seem to be infected with not-invented-here syndrome and appears willing to "steal" some of the best ideas from other games or anywhere else if it will improve FFXIV.

Ultimately, the new director and the dev team are going to play the role of God and decide what changes will be made, but we have a chance to influence that decision with our complaining / suggesting / discussing / debating / arguing posts.

I don't consider any of the game's core concepts/mechanics to be so flawed as to require them to be completely scrapped to the point of requiring that characters be wiped, it's just that all of them are so unpolished and incomplete due to the game being pushed out the door months too early. Same thing with the lack of content.

It's almost a race at this point. Can they do enough fast enough to retain much of the existing player base or begin to see increases, to the point they can begin to charge for subs, before the money or patience of the top brass runs out. That's one **** of a dragon to slay, and only time will tell.
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'sh*tbox Hero'


Marvellous concept - a portable toilet, some screens, and a bumper box of jalapenos. And some musical accompaniment (oboes). A game for the chronically constipated. Also known as Wii ****.
#71 Jan 13 2011 at 4:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Aurelius wrote:
SE has been relying almost solely on the strength of the franchise to sell games for the last several years and sooner or later it's entirely possible that if they keep up this level of quality, the brand recognition well is going to run dry.


What's sad about it is that none of their other franchises have had nearly the same problem, at least as far as I know; Dragon Quest IX was met with favorable reviews, as were the most recent Kingdom Hearts games (though Re:Coded seems to be getting panned), and we can probably guess how Arkham City (which technically is theirs) is going to turn out (the first one was amazing). So it's really just the Final Fantasy franchise that's fallen on hard times. Why isn't Square making every last effort to make sure their flagship franchise is their #1 best, regardless of where it goes? It makes no sense.
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Quanta wrote:
Aurelius wrote:
SE has been relying almost solely on the strength of the franchise to sell games for the last several years and sooner or later it's entirely possible that if they keep up this level of quality, the brand recognition well is going to run dry.


What's sad about it is that none of their other franchises have had nearly the same problem, at least as far as I know; Dragon Quest IX was met with favorable reviews, as were the most recent Kingdom Hearts games (though Re:Coded seems to be getting panned), and we can probably guess how Arkham City (which technically is theirs) is going to turn out (the first one was amazing). So it's really just the Final Fantasy franchise that's fallen on hard times. Why isn't Square making every last effort to make sure their flagship franchise is their #1 best, regardless of where it goes? It makes no sense.


Front mission evolved bombed, so did their last Mana game, so did the last saga game, so has every FF title for gamecube/wii, and a few other's, their only saving grace's have been FFXIII, DQ and KH(besides the tons of remakes they make/port)

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Front mission evolved bombed, so did their last Mana game, so did the last saga game, so has every FF title for gamecube/wii, and a few other's, their only saving grace's have been FFXIII, DQ and KH(besides the tons of remakes they make/port)


SaGa has been terrible since SaGa Frontier. Mana games bombing makes me sad. Crystal Chronicles was always niche.

Still, it sounds like all the talent they had throughout the 90s is long gone. :(
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Quanta wrote:
Ostia wrote:
Front mission evolved bombed, so did their last Mana game, so did the last saga game, so has every FF title for gamecube/wii, and a few other's, their only saving grace's have been FFXIII, DQ and KH(besides the tons of remakes they make/port)


SaGa has been terrible since SaGa Frontier. Mana games bombing makes me sad. Crystal Chronicles was always niche.

Still, it sounds like all the talent they had throughout the 90s is long gone. :(


Saga was good in the snes era, and that bard game (the last one) was good i just dint sell.

As for the talent they had? yes it did go :)
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Mana games bombing makes me sad.

^ This x 9001. What makes it even sadder is the fact that despite remakes and spinoffs making up about 90% of SE's releases in the oughties, there still hasn't been a release of Seiken Densetsu 3 (a.k.a. Secret of Mana 2) outside of Japan... actually, considering what they did to FFA/Sword of Mana, that's probably not such a bad thing, nevermind.

(Why no, I'm not bitter about the series that introduced me to RPGs getting ignominiously driven into the ground, what ever gave you THAT idea?)

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Still, it sounds like all the talent they had throughout the 90s is long gone. :(

And that makes me sad too. It's like watching the baseball player you always admired growing up slowly self-destruct in a spiral of alcohol and drug abuse, only a whole lot more soul-crushing.

Edited, Jan 13th 2011 6:31pm by RajiFarlander
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#76 Jan 13 2011 at 5:36 PM Rating: Good
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Quanta wrote:
Ostia wrote:
Front mission evolved bombed, so did their last Mana game, so did the last saga game, so has every FF title for gamecube/wii, and a few other's, their only saving grace's have been FFXIII, DQ and KH(besides the tons of remakes they make/port)


SaGa has been terrible since SaGa Frontier. Mana games bombing makes me sad. Crystal Chronicles was always niche.

Still, it sounds like all the talent they had throughout the 90s is long gone. :(


It would appear so. :(

Back in the days when SquareEnix was SquareSoft you'd literally have to be a troll to call anything they made subpar. Heck, I hated FF Tactics, yet I had to admit the gameplay and character design was astonishingly good. Fast forward to today, SquareEnix has gone down in quality compared to the game company they used to be. They still make good games, mind you. (DQ8 is one of my all-time favorites) But often they have me asking myself "What were they thinking??" FF14 definately has me asking this. Well actially, I was asking "What were they smoking??"
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Quanta wrote:
Ostia wrote:
Front mission evolved bombed, so did their last Mana game, so did the last saga game, so has every FF title for gamecube/wii, and a few other's, their only saving grace's have been FFXIII, DQ and KH(besides the tons of remakes they make/port)


SaGa has been terrible since SaGa Frontier. Mana games bombing makes me sad. Crystal Chronicles was always niche.

Still, it sounds like all the talent they had throughout the 90s is long gone. :(


It would appear so. :(

Back in the days when SquareEnix was SquareSoft you'd literally have to be a troll to call anything they made subpar. Heck, I hated FF Tactics, yet I had to admit the gameplay and character design was astonishingly good. Fast forward to today, SquareEnix has gone down in quality compared to the game company they used to be. They still make good games, mind you. (DQ8 is one of my all-time favorites) But often they have me asking myself "What were they thinking??" FF14 definately has me asking this. Well actially, I was asking "What were they smoking??"


How can you hate FFT? Is practically one of the greatest games Squaresoft has ever made :@
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Ostia wrote:
SasukeYuchiha wrote:
Quanta wrote:
Ostia wrote:
Front mission evolved bombed, so did their last Mana game, so did the last saga game, so has every FF title for gamecube/wii, and a few other's, their only saving grace's have been FFXIII, DQ and KH(besides the tons of remakes they make/port)


SaGa has been terrible since SaGa Frontier. Mana games bombing makes me sad. Crystal Chronicles was always niche.

Still, it sounds like all the talent they had throughout the 90s is long gone. :(


It would appear so. :(

Back in the days when SquareEnix was SquareSoft you'd literally have to be a troll to call anything they made subpar. Heck, I hated FF Tactics, yet I had to admit the gameplay and character design was astonishingly good. Fast forward to today, SquareEnix has gone down in quality compared to the game company they used to be. They still make good games, mind you. (DQ8 is one of my all-time favorites) But often they have me asking myself "What were they thinking??" FF14 definately has me asking this. Well actially, I was asking "What were they smoking??"


How can you hate FFT? Is practically one of the greatest games Squaresoft has ever made :@


Since he praised the gameplay and character design, I would guess his gripe is with the way the story plays out.
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#79 Jan 13 2011 at 5:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ostia wrote:
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Ostia wrote:
Front mission evolved bombed, so did their last Mana game, so did the last saga game, so has every FF title for gamecube/wii, and a few other's, their only saving grace's have been FFXIII, DQ and KH(besides the tons of remakes they make/port)


SaGa has been terrible since SaGa Frontier. Mana games bombing makes me sad. Crystal Chronicles was always niche.

Still, it sounds like all the talent they had throughout the 90s is long gone. :(


It would appear so. :(

Back in the days when SquareEnix was SquareSoft you'd literally have to be a troll to call anything they made subpar. Heck, I hated FF Tactics, yet I had to admit the gameplay and character design was astonishingly good. Fast forward to today, SquareEnix has gone down in quality compared to the game company they used to be. They still make good games, mind you. (DQ8 is one of my all-time favorites) But often they have me asking myself "What were they thinking??" FF14 definately has me asking this. Well actially, I was asking "What were they smoking??"


How can you hate FFT? Is practically one of the greatest games Squaresoft has ever made :@


It just wasn't my cup of tea. Something about the storyline annoyed the freakin h-e-double hockey stix out of me.

Strangely enough, I loved FFTAdvance. Which even i have to admit is pretty freakin wierd.

Edited, Jan 13th 2011 6:48pm by SasukeYuchiha
#80 Jan 13 2011 at 5:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Quanta wrote:
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Front mission evolved bombed, so did their last Mana game, so did the last saga game, so has every FF title for gamecube/wii, and a few other's, their only saving grace's have been FFXIII, DQ and KH(besides the tons of remakes they make/port)


SaGa has been terrible since SaGa Frontier. Mana games bombing makes me sad. Crystal Chronicles was always niche.

Still, it sounds like all the talent they had throughout the 90s is long gone. :(


It would appear so. :(

Back in the days when SquareEnix was SquareSoft you'd literally have to be a troll to call anything they made subpar. Heck, I hated FF Tactics, yet I had to admit the gameplay and character design was astonishingly good. Fast forward to today, SquareEnix has gone down in quality compared to the game company they used to be. They still make good games, mind you. (DQ8 is one of my all-time favorites) But often they have me asking myself "What were they thinking??" FF14 definately has me asking this. Well actially, I was asking "What were they smoking??"


How can you hate FFT? Is practically one of the greatest games Squaresoft has ever made :@


Since he praised the gameplay and character design, I would guess his gripe is with the way the story plays out.


lol Yep, good guess. I wasn't sold on the story.

Practically everything else, though, was amazing.
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Strangely enough, I loved FFTAdvance. Which even i have to admit is pretty freakin wierd.

Edited, Jan 13th 2011 6:48pm by SasukeYuchiha


Admit it: it was the bunny girls. ;)
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I'm not even gonna ask why <.<
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Strangely enough, I loved FFTAdvance. Which even i have to admit is pretty freakin wierd.

Edited, Jan 13th 2011 6:48pm by SasukeYuchiha


Admit it: it was the bunny girls. ;)


lolz Rate up for making me laugh. XD

Nah, I'm actually a woman myself. (Surprise!) I just liked the story in FFTA more. But the gameplay was no better than that in FFT, and neither was the artwork.
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You killing me :( FFTA storyline was so kidie and .... well not on par with FFT :(
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SE has been relying almost solely on the strength of the franchise to sell games for the last several years and sooner or later it's entirely possible that if they keep up this level of quality, the brand recognition well is going to run dry.


What's sad about it is that none of their other franchises have had nearly the same problem, at least as far as I know; Dragon Quest IX was met with favorable reviews, as were the most recent Kingdom Hearts games (though Re:Coded seems to be getting panned), and we can probably guess how Arkham City (which technically is theirs) is going to turn out (the first one was amazing). So it's really just the Final Fantasy franchise that's fallen on hard times. Why isn't Square making every last effort to make sure their flagship franchise is their #1 best, regardless of where it goes? It makes no sense.


My fiancee is one of the biggest cheerleaders for the Kingdom Hearts series I've ever known, to the point that she would threaten to inflict bodily harm upon a person who would even imply that any of the series is bad and since she got it, I have yet to hear her say one positive thing about it. She actually said that she is debating returning the thing which, if you knew her, is a total Smiley: jawdrop moment.

I haven't been able to play any KH games since the first because they're too cutscene-laden for me to deal with, so I'm not sure what's wrong with it, but if -she- doesn't like it, there has to be something.
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You killing me :( FFTA storyline was so kidie and .... well not on par with FFT :(


It's not really kiddie. The main character essentially wants to destroy a world that all of his friends are happy in...including the crippled kid who can walk again in Ivalice. What a douche.
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#87 Jan 13 2011 at 6:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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You killing me :( FFTA storyline was so kidie and .... well not on par with FFT :(


It's not really kiddie. The main character essentially wants to destroy a world that all of his friends are happy in...including the crippled kid who can walk again in Ivalice. What a douche.


Indeed. He made me so mad. His little brother is crippled, one of his friends wants to escape from the embarassment she feels about being teased daily for her hair color (I personally think white hair is awesome sauce, though), his other friend lost his mother, his father is an embarassment and failure, and he gets bullied at school every day and he's trying to escape from that. So what does this idiot decide? To destroy the world that fixes these problems and makes everyone happy.

I'd have totally killed him.

Edited, Jan 13th 2011 7:13pm by SasukeYuchiha
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SasukeYuchiha wrote:
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You killing me :( FFTA storyline was so kidie and .... well not on par with FFT :(


It's not really kiddie. The main character essentially wants to destroy a world that all of his friends are happy in...including the crippled kid who can walk again in Ivalice. What a douche.


Indeed. He made me so mad. His little brother is crippled, one of his friends wants to escape from the embarassment she feels about being teased daily for her hair color (I personally think white hair is awesome sauce, though), his other friend lost his mother, his father is an embarassment and failure, and he gets bullied at school every day and he's trying to escape from that. So what does this idiot decide? To destroy the world that fixes these problems and makes everyone happy.

I'd have totally killed him.

Edited, Jan 13th 2011 7:13pm by SasukeYuchiha


Yes going from storyline where a peasant became king by back stabbing, and playing the system, to a game where some girl is happy because people dont pick on her hair color is not kiddie <.<
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One thing I think we can agree on: We need a Tactics 2. Not Tactics ADVANCE... just regular Tactics 2.

Don't get me wrong; I liked TA2 just fine and all... but I would kill for a game in the flavor and mood of Tactics.
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One thing I think we can agree on: We need a Tactics 2. Not Tactics ADVANCE... just regular Tactics 2.

Don't get me wrong; I liked TA2 just fine and all... but I would kill for a game in the flavor and mood of Tactics.


That'd be neat. Perhaps they could tie together FFT, FFXII, and Vagrant's Story somehow.
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Don't play that game anymore. :P
#91 Jan 13 2011 at 7:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
One thing I think we can agree on: We need a Tactics 2. Not Tactics ADVANCE... just regular Tactics 2.

Don't get me wrong; I liked TA2 just fine and all... but I would kill for a game in the flavor and mood of Tactics.


That'd be neat. Perhaps they could tie together FFT, FFXII, and Vagrant's Story somehow.


Ugh... I didn't like Vagrant Story. I can't even remember why; it's been so long. I bought the game new and played it new and I just remember getting tired of it and quitting.

Maybe I need to try it again and see if I like it now.
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
One thing I think we can agree on: We need a Tactics 2. Not Tactics ADVANCE... just regular Tactics 2.

Don't get me wrong; I liked TA2 just fine and all... but I would kill for a game in the flavor and mood of Tactics.


That'd be neat. Perhaps they could tie together FFT, FFXII, and Vagrant's Story somehow.


Yes! That would be Awesome! By the way i never finished vagrant story, i have tried 2 times and i always get lost by the end, when you have to open a lot of doors and stuff <.<

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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
One thing I think we can agree on: We need a Tactics 2. Not Tactics ADVANCE... just regular Tactics 2.

Don't get me wrong; I liked TA2 just fine and all... but I would kill for a game in the flavor and mood of Tactics.


I don't care what kind of tactics we get, as long as it's story is better than the first. lol

Gawd, I hated it. XD
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SE has been relying almost solely on the strength of the franchise to sell games for the last several years and sooner or later it's entirely possible that if they keep up this level of quality, the brand recognition well is going to run dry.


What's sad about it is that none of their other franchises have had nearly the same problem, at least as far as I know; Dragon Quest IX was met with favorable reviews, as were the most recent Kingdom Hearts games (though Re:Coded seems to be getting panned), and we can probably guess how Arkham City (which technically is theirs) is going to turn out (the first one was amazing). So it's really just the Final Fantasy franchise that's fallen on hard times. Why isn't Square making every last effort to make sure their flagship franchise is their #1 best, regardless of where it goes? It makes no sense.


If I had to pin it on one word, it would be 'arrogance'. It seems to me that they've fallen into the trap of thinking that previous success has taught them everything they need to know about what they're doing and that they're just some kind of awesome that people are going to buy games from 'just because'. I mean, my first console RPG was Dragon Warrior for the NES and then one day a friend of mine lent me his Final Fantasy cartridge and wow...what a huge difference. I loved Dragon Warrior but then you take a game that you love and improve upon it so dramatically? Pffft. It's like "dating" that hot chick in middle school and how awesome it is when she lets you hold her hand and it's awesome but then you get a little older and she lets you touch her...

Ya know? There's good and then there's REALLY good. But then you get a little older and a few more pretty girls come and go and after you've touched...stuff...you start to realize that you're looking for a little more and it's no longer just about what happens between 9pm and midnight but your focus shifts to everything that happens in between. And all of a sudden you find yourself pining over something that can afford to be a little more plain on the surface as long as there's some personality involved.

SE lately has been all about presenting the super model with nothing going on between the ears. And gamers are largely kind of bored with that. They're not necessarily looking for the super model. They're looking for the gamer chick, or the chick who loves camping just like you do, or the one who will sit down with you and watch the movies you like to watch or the sports you like to watch or who can carry on an intelligent discussion about the things you both find interesting and/or important and if she just so happens to be smokin' hot, so much the better but it's no longer the priority. And then instead of publishing games that have the personality your contemporary gamer is looking for, they make something like FFXIV. The high maintenance super model that not only has nothing going on between the ears but after a couple of months she stops putting out, too. But she's still demanding, oh yes. She still monopolizes your time and drives you insane trying to meet all of her myriad needs but she pulls away if you even try to give her a kiss. At least with FFXIV, she's no longer dipping her hand into your wallet. Yet.

SE needs to find a way to get the personality back into their games instead of falling back on the same tired old **** title after title after title. MMOs are about long-term playability, not a few nights of lusty fluid exchange. And unless/until SE can get in touch with what gamers want on a long-term basis, they're not doing themselves any favors throwing good money after bad trying to make and then fix games that nobody in their right mind would have produced in the first place.
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If I had to pin it on one word, it would be 'arrogance'. It seems to me that they've fallen into the trap of thinking that previous success has taught them everything they need to know about what they're doing and that they're just some kind of awesome that people are going to buy games from 'just because'. I mean, my first console RPG was Dragon Warrior for the NES and then one day a friend of mine lent me his Final Fantasy cartridge and wow...what a huge difference. I loved Dragon Warrior but then you take a game that you love and improve upon it so dramatically? Pffft. It's like "dating" that hot chick in middle school and how awesome it is when she lets you hold her hand and it's awesome but then you get a little older and she lets you touch her...

Ya know? There's good and then there's REALLY good. But then you get a little older and a few more pretty girls come and go and after you've touched...stuff...you start to realize that you're looking for a little more and it's no longer just about what happens between 9pm and midnight but your focus shifts to everything that happens in between. And all of a sudden you find yourself pining over something that can afford to be a little more plain on the surface as long as there's some personality involved.

SE lately has been all about presenting the super model with nothing going on between the ears. And gamers are largely kind of bored with that. They're not necessarily looking for the super model. They're looking for the gamer chick, or the chick who loves camping just like you do, or the one who will sit down with you and watch the movies you like to watch or the sports you like to watch or who can carry on an intelligent discussion about the things you both find interesting and/or important and if she just so happens to be smokin' hot, so much the better but it's no longer the priority. And then instead of publishing games that have the personality your contemporary gamer is looking for, they make something like FFXIV. The high maintenance super model that not only has nothing going on between the ears but after a couple of months she stops putting out, too. But she's still demanding, oh yes. She still monopolizes your time and drives you insane trying to meet all of her myriad needs but she pulls away if you even try to give her a kiss. At least with FFXIV, she's no longer dipping her hand into your wallet. Yet.

SE needs to find a way to get the personality back into their games instead of falling back on the same tired old sh*t title after title after title. MMOs are about long-term playability, not a few nights of lusty fluid exchange. And unless/until SE can get in touch with what gamers want on a long-term basis, they're not doing themselves any favors throwing good money after bad trying to make and then fix games that nobody in their right mind would have produced in the first place.


That was a beautiful rant, and it rings so true. :D
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Someone needs to call Aurelius and let him know that someone stole his forum account and is posting on it.


shutcho mouf, foo.

Also, this weeks BFF Report made me lol. Oh, that crazy fony.
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Someone needs to call Aurelius and let him know that someone stole his forum account and is posting on it.


shutcho mouf, foo.

Also, this weeks BFF Report made me lol. Oh, that crazy fony.


I chuckled at a lot of it. Kinda funny.

And here's where I'll come out and say it and start a whole nother bag of sh*t by talking about *gasp* other games:

The rift idea looks pretty cool. It reminds me somewhat of Aion except in the respect that the reason I could never play Aion is the world PvP. Assuming Rift wasn't world PvP and I only had to deal with mobs in rifts, I would totally play that game.

What's stopping me? The UI. Down to the skill trees and the fact that the rogue uses combo points (How many? Exactly five, you say?) and the colors of the bars and the font of the text box... Two factions you say? That has never been done before. Let's just say it looks almost exactly like I'm playing another game that isn't called Rift. Let's say Allods. Or Shaiya. Or Runes of Magic.

Potential for a great game in here. I just can't look past the fact that the UI is "Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V" and a reskin of 80% of the other MMORPGs on the market to be able to enjoy what is, IMO, a really cool game feature.

I think the rift idea would be pretty cool in XIV; almost similar to XI's Cavernous Maws where you can go in, fight sh*t, come out. Kinda.

See, it's stuff like that... having a portal open and mobs flood out and you have to fight them off... it is a workaround for the boring grind and keeps you on your toes and keeps you having fun. It's a cool feature, and while Rift isn't the first game to use this idea, I get the feeling it won't be the last. This is the kind of feature that other games are sure to start copying (like I said; Rift copied it from Aion, which may have even copied it from somewhere else, I don't know) because it's interesting.

I wish FFXIV could start doing that... come up with some awesome idea or feature that makes other games say "Wow. That's pretty cool. I'm gonna steal that for myself."

EDIT: Hey look! I compared FFXIV to other games and I didn't even mention THAT GAME at all.

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Ya know? There's good and then there's REALLY good. But then you get a little older and a few more pretty girls come and go and after you've touched...stuff...you start to realize that you're looking for a little more and it's no longer just about what happens between 9pm and midnight but your focus shifts to everything that happens in between. And all of a sudden you find yourself pining over something that can afford to be a little more plain on the surface as long as there's some personality involved.


Well buddy, in relation to FFXIV (or even SE games in general) I couldn't agree more.

Unfortunatley, I have yet to evolve enough as a man to the point where I want anything more from a woman than to just 'touch stuff'. Don't get me wrong though... my preference on what to touch/have touched, has changed considerably over the years. And.. now I appear to be talking far too much about touching stuff.

... Who wants to touch me??
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Ya know? There's good and then there's REALLY good. But then you get a little older and a few more pretty girls come and go and after you've touched...stuff...you start to realize that you're looking for a little more and it's no longer just about what happens between 9pm and midnight but your focus shifts to everything that happens in between. And all of a sudden you find yourself pining over something that can afford to be a little more plain on the surface as long as there's some personality involved.


Well buddy, in relation to FFXIV (or even SE games in general) I couldn't agree more.

Unfortunatley, I have yet to evolve enough as a man to the point where I want anything more from a woman than to just 'touch stuff'. Don't get me wrong though... my preference on what to touch/have touched, has changed considerably over the years. And.. now I appear to be talking far too much about touching stuff.

... Who wants to touch me??


Can't touch this.

Stop.

Hammertime.
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