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#1 Jan 13 2011 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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So I was reading news from yahoo, and I came across this:
http://blog.games.yahoo.com/blog/308-looking-for-the-next-warcraft

After reading it, I was hoping I would come across some mention about ffxiv, the only mmorpg i am currently playing.

but, nothing.

it felt somewhat strange, because it is like i am playing something that nobody even knows.

but maybe it is a patriotism thing, because all of the games listed are made in U.S.A.

i always thoughts games have no nationalities...
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#2 Jan 13 2011 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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It's just that FFXIV released in such a bad state, that the chance to overtake WoW in terms of number of subscriptions has long since passed.

IMO, the best we can hope for is that SE turns the game around, releases the PS3 version somewhat close to the original date, and the servers stay up for a few years to come. But the chance for FFXIV to become "the MMO" has come and gone.

Edited, Jan 13th 2011 12:43pm by Jefro420
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#3 Jan 13 2011 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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I think winning Gamespot's "Worst Game of 2010" award guarantees FFXIV will not be taken seriously as a threat to WoW. Ever.
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I used to work as a WoW Gamemaster and played it for a couple years as well. If my experience of the people playing WoW is anything to go by I would love that nobody came to FFXIV from WoW.

Edited, Jan 13th 2011 5:43pm by Hugus
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#5 Jan 13 2011 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
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All of the games in the article have yet to be launched...
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Hugus wrote:
I used to work as a WoW Gamemaster and played it for a couple years as well. If my experience of the people playing WoW is anything to go by I would love that nobody came to FFXIV from WoW.

Edited, Jan 13th 2011 5:43pm by Hugus


I'd love to hear some of these stories.
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Hugus wrote:
I used to work as a WoW Gamemaster and played it for a couple years as well. If my experience of the people playing WoW is anything to go by I would love that nobody came to FFXIV from WoW.

Edited, Jan 13th 2011 5:43pm by Hugus


I'd love to hear some of these stories.


Because of the NDA I shouldnt even mention I was one but since it has been so long ago I don't think it will be a problem. Going into details is probably not the best idea and I probably blocked out the worst of it. Enough to say that 40% of "interventiones" were do reset a certain prince in a certain varanda.
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#8 Jan 13 2011 at 11:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well if I remember correctly, FFXI was also avoided in almost any news about MMOs. Look at TOR, it's advertising as the first MMO to revolve around story when XI obviously came first. The only time XI was ever mentioned was as a comparison about how much WORSE than WoW it was.

Even without XIV's horrible launch and "worst of" award, I doubt it would have ever really been mentioned in MMO news. If SE manages to turn it around and get more reviews with the PS3 release, then we can all hope for "best come back" or something.
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Well I heard one reason people stay in WoW is because all their friends are there. So in order to be a WoW killer, you need a game that's good enough to get a large number of people to come over, stay, and bring over their friends.

I don't see any of the games on that list (or FF14 in its current state) doing that.

ATM, I'm favoring a death by a thousand cuts approach (or blizzard darwin awards it) to what will "kill" WoW. And as for FF14, right now SE would be lucky to end up with EVE's numbers.
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XI suffered from it because it was originally only going to be a JP only title, but then there's news and people felt an online FF game couldn't work. People rather forget that XI even existed despite it being one of the few if not only MMOs back in early 2000 that actually had an engaging storyline that weren't told through "Hey, my farm is infested with imps go kill em for the greater good of our deity." or a 4 minute slideslow while installing the game or first leaving noob island.

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KingWinterclaw wrote:
Well I heard one reason people stay in WoW is because all their friends are there. So in order to be a WoW killer, you need a game that's good enough to get a large number of people to come over, stay, and bring over their friends.

I don't see any of the games on that list (or FF14 in its current state) doing that.

ATM, I'm favoring a death by a thousand cuts approach (or blizzard darwin awards it) to what will "kill" WoW. And as for FF14, right now SE would be lucky to end up with EVE's numbers.

That's the only reason I started playing WoW. My first MMO was Aion, which I played at NA launch alongside with some friends who were WoW veterans. We had fun at first, but they, like most Aion players, eventually grew bored of it and returned to WoW. I tried to stick it out, but increasingly the forums seemed to be growing more and more negative, and, failing to find a guild, I grew sick of spending hours LFGing to do main storyline quests.

From the start I felt WoW was inferior, but I've stuck with it because it's both easy to solo and, when I want other people, it's easy to find them.

If I had friends playing FFXIV (and none of my WoW veteran friends even gave it a shot), I'd be playing it now, but I don't, and I found it too lonely and dull an experience to play solo.
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All of the games in the article have yet to be launched...


Exactly.

The article is about up and coming games. If anyone should be upset that they weren't mentioned then it should be Rift. (Not that I'm advocating the game, just the fact that it's more up and coming than FFXIV is.)

Also I doubt it's patriotism that the author of the article was espousing and rather just the normal state of capitalistic affairs that suggests that well known companies (that just happen to be based in the US) are creating some MMOs right now.

And lastly, unless the OP is being facetious, games definitely can and do have their own cultural influence.
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Even if WOW was dethroned, people would still talk about WOW.
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#14 Jan 13 2011 at 12:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Come to think of it... does anyone else remember when SE was saying "Don't review FFXIV yet!"?

Turns out FFXIV didn't get mentioned. Guess they got what they wanted.
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I don't think that a game thats heavily based on plot or an intrincate job system can overtake WoW subscription wise. Its just not mainstream enough. WoW is the lowest common denominator.
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#16 Jan 13 2011 at 12:38 PM Rating: Good
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triangold wrote:

So I was reading news from yahoo, and I came across this:
http://blog.games.yahoo.com/blog/308-looking-for-the-next-warcraft

After reading it, I was hoping I would come across some mention about ffxiv, the only mmorpg i am currently playing.

but, nothing.

it felt somewhat strange, because it is like i am playing something that nobody even knows.

but maybe it is a patriotism thing, because all of the games listed are made in U.S.A.

i always thoughts games have no nationalities...


I'm just gonna go on a limb here and say: Maybe is because FFXIV will not be the next warcraft ? it failed at release, it has what ? 100k subs ? bad reviews left and right, a dev team change, maybe a NGE restart.

Why would they mention it lol ?
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
I don't think that a game thats heavily based on plot or an intrincate job system can overtake WoW subscription wise. Its just not mainstream enough. WoW is the lowest common denominator.


Hipster Kitty Says: Being a mainstream game is so mainstream.
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#18 Jan 13 2011 at 5:31 PM Rating: Good
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Hi-

While I was perusing a review about the new Sandy Bridge processors from Intel, I ran across this little review on a well known website:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/01/03/intel_sandy_bridge_2600k_2500k_processors_review/4

scroll down to the bottom of the page and look at the name of one of the benchmarks. ^~

I guess that could be credible FFXIV news?

at least FFXIV made it into the news in a semi-positive way.
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While I was perusing a review about the new Sandy Bridge processors from Intel, I ran across this little review on a well known website:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/01/03/intel_sandy_bridge_2600k_2500k_processors_review/4

scroll down to the bottom of the page and look at the name of one of the benchmarks. ^~

I guess that could be credible FFXIV news?

at least FFXIV made it into the news in a semi-positive way.


Using FFXIV as a benchmark tool... That's kinda spiffy. I guess I wasn't too far off when I said it was the next Crysis.
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To the general gaming world, FFXIV is a game that had a bad launch. Its right there with Star Trek. Its not in the news because its not news. Coming back from all this and getting 1 mil + players would be news, but until then its a game that failed expectations.
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People'll only write articles about FFXIV if it'll draw pageviews to their site, or get people to watch their show, or whatever. When FFXIV flopped, it got pageviews; but it's all old news now.

People won't care about FFXIV news until/if the devs turn the game around.

And honestly, FFXIV isn't on my mind lately. FFXI stuck with me for years. A week was enough for FFXIV. I really would like them to fix the game, but I've made my peace with it, if it fails.

Edited, Jan 15th 2011 5:38pm by ghosthacked
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"Blog" Well there's your problem.

I didn't even see Rift in there and that company is actually calling WoW out, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzpnQrUjB14

I all honesty though FFXIV had it's chance and failed, not going to sugar coat it. On thing developers should have learned by now is that you rarely get a second chance in this industry. If you don't launch with a quality AAA game from the start than you are not going to get the numbers you want. For any new MMO to succeed they must bring their "A" game or delay the release till it's finished.

Edited, Jan 15th 2011 4:24pm by dyvidd
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#23 Jan 15 2011 at 5:26 PM Rating: Good
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I think winning Gamespot's "Worst Game of 2010" award guarantees FFXIV will not be taken seriously as a threat to WoW. Ever.


Sadly this is true. A co-worker literally laughs his **** off whenever I mention FFXIV to him. He's a hardcore WoW player who brags about his latest achievements whenever I see him.
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#24 Jan 15 2011 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
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"Blog" Well there's your problem.

I didn't even see Rift in there and that company is actually calling WoW out, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzpnQrUjB14

I all honesty though FFXIV had it's chance and failed, not going to sugar coat it. On thing developers should have learned by now is that you rarely get a second chance in this industry. If you don't launch with a quality AAA game from the start than you are not going to get the numbers you want. For any new MMO to succeed they must bring their "A" game or delay the release till it's finished.

Edited, Jan 15th 2011 4:24pm by dyvidd


See that's a company i can get behind for, i loved that cheap shot, even tho Trion has to thank blizzard for polishing Rift :) But they had the balls to actually call them out :) Not like SE when one day they said oh we are competing with wow, then they failed and totally did a 180 lol
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