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#1 Jan 14 2011 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
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This concludes FINAL FANTASY XIV Player’s Poll the First.
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Looks like all they did was ninja edit the end of the post from the hilarious "legal" info to the above. A sad day indeed. Smiley: frown

EDIT: Changed thread title as some found it misleading.

Edited, Jan 14th 2011 3:37pm by Sephrick
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Not gonna lie was expecting a little bit more. Possibly something more formal. :(
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MippsCat wrote:
Not gonna lie was expecting a little bit more. Possibly something more formal. :(


You can't possibly expect them to publish the statistics immediately upon completion of the poll. At least give them a little time to compile and polish it into something we can make heads or tails of. I'm sure they'll release the results in the next few days (my money is on Monday), but I think it's a bit unreasonable to expect it the same day as the poll conclusion.
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Sephrick wrote:
Lodestone wrote:
This concludes FINAL FANTASY XIV Player’s Poll the First.
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Looks like all they did was ninja edit the end of the post from the hilarious "legal" info to the above. A sad day indeed. Smiley: frown



Wow, what a douche bag response...they just couldn't show us the poll? They didn't have to say anything else...just show us the results...is it that hard to slap it up for all to see?
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LillithaFenimore wrote:
Sephrick wrote:
Lodestone wrote:
This concludes FINAL FANTASY XIV Player’s Poll the First.
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Looks like all they did was ninja edit the end of the post from the hilarious "legal" info to the above. A sad day indeed. Smiley: frown



Wow, what a douche bag response...they just couldn't show us the poll? They didn't have to say anything else...just show us the results...is it that hard to slap it up for all to see?


There's the possibility that they want to organize it better and lay out a plan alongside it rather than just posting a plain bar graph/pie chart (which people would complain about it and we all know it).

Who knows though.
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#8 Jan 14 2011 at 11:52 AM Rating: Excellent
I wasn't expecting anything more than that today honestly. Now if come mid next week we don't have anything, THEN I'll be a bit sad.
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Not really liking this new Dev team so far . . .

Communication with their customers is obviously not very high on their priority list. Oh well, guess we can all be patient together.
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communication with customers does not equal showing the raw poll results

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I would like to see them organize the data before releasing it - possibly cross-referencing poll data with player data.
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I was hoping for something mind blowing. But, deep down I knew there wouldn't be anything major.

Still, I expected a little more hoopla than this. The poll largely seemed about buying time. Will be interesting to see how long they leave us hang with no "goal" out there like the end of the poll was.
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I can hovewer help you with this link: http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=152&mid=1294955260292376414&page=1where I may have mentioned something like this might happen.
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I think if they are gonna post it, they will have a formal write up ready to go with it.

and its fair enough to say that we can wait to let them write it first.....
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#14 Jan 14 2011 at 12:24 PM Rating: Good
I just looked at the Lodestone, and I don't see anything updated since yesterdays world recovery...
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PerrinofSylph, ****** Superhero wrote:
I just looked at the Lodestone, and I don't see anything updated since yesterdays world recovery...



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I think that's the update.
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99% chance they will not show it. They will post some sort of right up about what they play to do "based n the poll" but never show the results of the poll. Like many other i think the poll was more of a way for them to kill time and make a plan of action.
#17 Jan 14 2011 at 12:38 PM Rating: Decent
I understand that they want to wait to show the poll results until they can also say what they're going to do with the info. However, I think they could have at least made a new post on Lodestone saying that that's what they were doing, and preferably with an estimate as to when we can expect more info.
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LillithaFenimore wrote:
Sephrick wrote:
Lodestone wrote:
This concludes FINAL FANTASY XIV Player’s Poll the First.
Thank you for your cooperation.


Looks like all they did was ninja edit the end of the post from the hilarious "legal" info to the above. A sad day indeed. Smiley: frown



Wow, what a douche bag response...they just couldn't show us the poll? They didn't have to say anything else...just show us the results...is it that hard to slap it up for all to see?


If they did that, people would immediately jump to conclusions on what SE was planning to do based on their own biases, only to get ****** off later when SE does something completely different. Waiting until they've had time to analyze all the data collected and formulate a strategy with it is the best option.
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I understand that they want to wait to show the poll results until they can also say what they're going to do with the info. However, I think they could have at least made a new post on Lodestone saying that that's what they were doing, and preferably with an estimate as to when we can expect more info.


"The player's poll first has now ended, thank you for your participation and we expect to have the data compiled and ready for presentation in a week or two."

Typical cynic: "Wtf SE? Really? You make us wait a week for you to gather ******* polls results now you make us ******* wait another week so you can display the results? ******* fail **** **** ******* **** **** ****!"

In short, if SE did make a post like that people would complain about having to wait more just like some seem cynical about them not posting anything.
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LuthienOfSeraph wrote:
I understand that they want to wait to show the poll results until they can also say what they're going to do with the info. However, I think they could have at least made a new post on Lodestone saying that that's what they were doing, and preferably with an estimate as to when we can expect more info.


I agree. Something, at least.
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LuthienOfSeraph wrote:
I understand that they want to wait to show the poll results until they can also say what they're going to do with the info. However, I think they could have at least made a new post on Lodestone saying that that's what they were doing, and preferably with an estimate as to when we can expect more info.


"The player's poll first has now ended, thank you for your participation and we expect to have the data compiled and ready for presentation in a week or two."

Typical cynic: "Wtf SE? Really? You make us wait a week for you to gather @#%^ing polls results now you make us @#%^ing wait another week so you can display the results? @#%^ing fail @#%^ @#%^ @#%^ing @#%^ @#%^ sh*t!"

In short, if SE did make a post like that people would complain about having to wait more just like some seem cynical about them not posting anything.


You forgot to mention the response when it's 3 days late because it took longer than expected to analyze the data:

"OMFG! You said two weeks, and it's been two weeks, 3 days! WTF is this ****? This game has no hope! I can't believe I paid $10,000 for this! WHAT THE **** WAS THAT 'LAB FEE' FOR?!"
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#22 Jan 14 2011 at 12:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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PerrinofSylph, ****** Superhero wrote:
I just looked at the Lodestone, and I don't see anything updated since yesterdays world recovery...



This concludes FINAL FANTASY XIV Player’s Poll the First.
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I think that's the update.


That's not an update, it's just something they edited onto the poll posting. The updates are in the information bar or would bump down the information below that where there are pictures. We're all getting up in a huff for no reason.

Seph, modify the thread title to something else. It's misleading people and it will unfortunately cause even more dissent on this board. Call it "Players poll officially comes to an end" or something.
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communication with customers does not equal showing the raw poll results

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I would like to see them organize the data before releasing it - possibly cross-referencing poll data with player data.


Not expecting poll results yet, but prior to the New Year we were getting 3+ Lodestone posts a week. Now we are barely getting 2 and they are repeated posts.

I compeltely understand that they are busy working on new content/improvements and crunching the data from this poll. But I honestly expected them to still have some new info about the "Early 2011 update". Thats all.

Perhaps we've been spoiled by the previous Dev team in terms of Lodestone posts.
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Olorinus the Vile wrote:
communication with customers does not equal showing the raw poll results

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I would like to see them organize the data before releasing it - possibly cross-referencing poll data with player data.


Not expecting poll results yet, but prior to the New Year we were getting 3+ Lodestone posts a week. Now we are barely getting 2 and they are repeated posts.

I compeltely understand that they are busy working on new content/improvements and crunching the data from this poll. But I honestly expected them to still have some new info about the "Early 2011 update". Thats all.

Perhaps we've been spoiled by the previous Dev team in terms of Lodestone posts.


http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=cb4dc09784bc24b4fde2e45de9f018ec5fb504d2

Since things changed hands they have to review it as well as start planning what they're going to do, it's like handing off your code to someone else to finish/redo...gotta give em time to read the documentation.

There was also that topic posted on the lodestone as an overview, so it would be no new knowledge gained, which is why they need to review what the previous team were doing and the new director said he won't post anything till he's 100% certain it will be added which is why they're likely reviewing the 2011 update (and did the poll) to see what to do.

People get ****** when they make promises and don't keep it or bastardize it.

People will get ****** if they don't make promises.

When it comes to SE and XI/XIV, they're always in a lose/lose situation, which is why waiting is all that can be done lol.
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You can't possibly expect them to publish the statistics immediately upon completion of the poll. At least give them a little time to compile and polish it into something we can make heads or tails of. I'm sure they'll release the results in the next few days (my money is on Monday), but I think it's a bit unreasonable to expect it the same day as the poll conclusion.


Wasn't expecting poll results. A ninja statement on previous posts are fine however they could have bumped their own site with that they are looking at the information, thanks for the job, here is a free hat as well. The site hasn't seen much love. :/
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Mistress Theonehio wrote:
Sigmakan wrote:
Olorinus the Vile wrote:
communication with customers does not equal showing the raw poll results

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I would like to see them organize the data before releasing it - possibly cross-referencing poll data with player data.


Not expecting poll results yet, but prior to the New Year we were getting 3+ Lodestone posts a week. Now we are barely getting 2 and they are repeated posts.

I compeltely understand that they are busy working on new content/improvements and crunching the data from this poll. But I honestly expected them to still have some new info about the "Early 2011 update". Thats all.

Perhaps we've been spoiled by the previous Dev team in terms of Lodestone posts.


http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=cb4dc09784bc24b4fde2e45de9f018ec5fb504d2

Since things changed hands they have to review it as well as start planning what they're going to do, it's like handing off your code to someone else to finish/redo...gotta give em time to read the documentation.

There was also that topic posted on the lodestone as an overview, so it would be no new knowledge gained, which is why they need to review what the previous team were doing and the new director said he won't post anything till he's 100% certain it will be added which is why they're likely reviewing the 2011 update (and did the poll) to see what to do.

People get ****** when they make promises and don't keep it or bastardize it.

People will get ****** if they don't make promises.

When it comes to SE and XI/XIV, they're always in a lose/lose situation, which is why waiting is all that can be done lol.


No doubt they are in a lose/lost situation, but they put themselves there.

Right now, what players need to hear from the Dev team is what their plan is even if its just a rough outline. When there is a news void people tend to fill in the blanks with a bunch of random and negative thoughts. They are at a fairly critical juncture right now, and the last thing they need is a lack of communication.

I understand WHY there hasnt been as much info on Lodestone, but that still doesn't make it good business choice.

Just my opinion, feel free to sub-default me :/
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Mistress Theonehio wrote:
Sigmakan wrote:
Olorinus the Vile wrote:
communication with customers does not equal showing the raw poll results

>.>

I would like to see them organize the data before releasing it - possibly cross-referencing poll data with player data.


Not expecting poll results yet, but prior to the New Year we were getting 3+ Lodestone posts a week. Now we are barely getting 2 and they are repeated posts.

I compeltely understand that they are busy working on new content/improvements and crunching the data from this poll. But I honestly expected them to still have some new info about the "Early 2011 update". Thats all.

Perhaps we've been spoiled by the previous Dev team in terms of Lodestone posts.


http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=cb4dc09784bc24b4fde2e45de9f018ec5fb504d2

Since things changed hands they have to review it as well as start planning what they're going to do, it's like handing off your code to someone else to finish/redo...gotta give em time to read the documentation.

There was also that topic posted on the lodestone as an overview, so it would be no new knowledge gained, which is why they need to review what the previous team were doing and the new director said he won't post anything till he's 100% certain it will be added which is why they're likely reviewing the 2011 update (and did the poll) to see what to do.

People get ****** when they make promises and don't keep it or bastardize it.

People will get ****** if they don't make promises.

When it comes to SE and XI/XIV, they're always in a lose/lose situation, which is why waiting is all that can be done lol.


I agree with everything you said, up to the bolded. You talk as though the players are placing SE in a lose/lose situation. SE puts SE in a lose/lose situation. If they hadn't misrepresented the game as complete and sold it only to make their balance sheets look nicer, they wouldn't HAVE this situation on their hands. You shouldn't be such an apologist.

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I didn't expect anything, but I still wished they would have told us something new.
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You shouldn't be such an apologist.

Edited, Jan 14th 2011 2:31pm by hexaemeron


It's not being an apologist. It's called common sense if you take even an hour to browse most XIV related discussions as they almost always end up with people being over negative, cynical or trolling no matter what SE does. They want to see what players want? People complain they're giving us a week to take a survey. They don't FORMALLY post that it's over? People get Smiley: dubious. This is the lose/lose situation, it doesn't matter who's at fault because at this point nothing will please people even if they get what they want.
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For all those of you who are raging over not seeing anything right after the poll closed..... get a grip, go out and have a drink, spend time doing other things. They need time to sort out all the results that they got. You're as bad as a 6yr old in a toy store.

You're playing a game that is free atm until they have a course of action for it. So with that in mind give the new dev team a chance to see what they got and where they wanna go with it. If you're to impatient then, quit.. walk away from the game. You will be doing everyone on your server a huge favor by not playing with people such as yourself.
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One would think that poll results are analyzed as they come in so they can get a head start on what decisions to make regarding the new direction of the game. The poll shouldn't be a ballot lock box where it is counted/analyzed AFTER the poll closes.

My guess is SE already has an idea of what to implement/change days before the poll close date. I wouldn't be surprised, come Sunday/Monday, if they released a comprehensive update list. I'm looking forward to that.

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Mistress Theonehio wrote:
hexaemeron wrote:
You shouldn't be such an apologist.

Edited, Jan 14th 2011 2:31pm by hexaemeron


It's not being an apologist. It's called common sense if you take even an hour to browse most XIV related discussions as they almost always end up with people being over negative, cynical or trolling no matter what SE does. They want to see what players want? People complain they're giving us a week to take a survey. They don't FORMALLY post that it's over? People get Smiley: dubious. This is the lose/lose situation, it doesn't matter who's at fault because at this point nothing will please people even if they get what they want.


So... you're saying you're not an apologist because people are legitimately upset about the state of game and a perceived (up to opinion, of course) lack of communication.

We can agree to disagree, respectfully.
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It's not being an apologist. It's called common sense if you take even an hour to browse most XIV related discussions as they almost always end up with people being over negative, cynical or trolling no matter what SE does.


Well to be fair - the reason for this is because it's been a really long time, a complete restructuring of the team, some random polls with very generic questions, and no real information or planning coming out of SE other than "free until undisclosed\undetermined time." If you want to accuse the community of being negative - you have to acknowledge and accept that the buck starts and stops with SE. Changing leadership always causes customers to lose at least a little bit of faith in a company, especially when the names being replaced are well-known and the replacements aren't so well-known. I don't blame people for having mixed feelings towards SE.

I come here a couple times a week (down from every day in the early part of things) looking for updates and information, and so far I've always left disappointed.

Today is no different - I agree with some others that the thread title really ought to be changed. It's misleading, and disappointing.
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Before people started talking like it was expected, it never even occurred to me that SE would release the results of the poll to the public. This poll was for their own internal use, and they have little to gain and lots to lose from releasing the results. For instance, there are a lot of legitimate reasons they might prioritize certain changes to the game that go against what the players asked for (they can be finished more quickly, or the players' requests were just dumb) and it would be a major headache for them to be seen going against the poll results.

I'm not saying its impossible given SE's recent public relations turnaround, but it's pretty unlikely we'll ever see these results.
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So yeah, they better give us some results. and fast. me, i don't trust them at all anymore. SE needs to take a long hard look at how other, especially western, companies communicate with their customers. they still havent figured out how to be open and honest with us. All they've shown so far is that they know how to say what we want to hear. not enough.
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Changing leadership always causes customers to lose at least a little bit of faith in a company, especially when the names being replaced are well-known and the replacements aren't so well-known.


Actually, I felt completely the opposite. I was thrilled, overjoyed, and all that. Even though the new team isn't as well known as the old...I just can't see how they could ***** it up worse. Not only that, I would imagine they are all fully cognizant of exactly what kind've pressure they are under to not just deliver, but deliver pure win.

With that being said, I think things can only get better from here.

(And, if I repeat that to myself often enough, it gets me to sleep at night.)
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I'm just wondering.....how long ago did the poll come out and how many people most likely took the poll as soon as it came out. Do you think people waited untill the last minute to fill out the poll and that it made -that- much more of a difference vs the first week of responces? I dont. Im sure they had a clear picture of what the poll results where by day three. I don't care about the poll results. Its already too little to late. I still play but SE time grows thin each passing day they don't say something. Whatever your thoughs about the matter are all well and good, but I know may people are leaving/have left and or will leave in about 2 months. GET IT TOGETHER SE lol.
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YOU KNOW WHAT IM REALLY MAD ABOUT >.> it looks like they forgot to close the </span> that makes the type red OOOOOOOO THAT GETS ME SOOOOOO ANGRY i should give them syntax back hand for that.
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I'm just wondering.....how long ago did the poll come out and how many people most likely took the poll as soon as it came out. Do you think people waited untill the last minute to fill out the poll and that it made -that- much more of a difference vs the first week of responces? I dont. Im sure they had a clear picture of what the poll results where by day three. I don't care about the poll results. Its already too little to late. I still play but SE time grows thin each passing day they don't say something. Whatever your thoughs about the matter are all well and good, but I know may people are leaving/have left and or will leave in about 2 months. GET IT TOGETHER SE lol.


I was saying pretty much the same thing a week after the poll came out and they announced it had another week. Anyone who had any interest at all in this game, playing or not checks the loadstone pretty often, or at least the forums. Within the first couple of days you would think 90% of the people who intended to take the poll took it. When that second part cam about a reminder and giving a close day came, i said what was the point? Its not like this poll news suddenly went anywhere else aside from the fan forms and the loadstone and the articular below it was about the **** poll.

If they took 2 weeks to dilly dally and wait for the polls to end, then they are a bunch of fools. By now they should have already known and started to work on what they wanted to do like a week ago. The only thing that took any time to figure out was the specific things people put in the "other category" which would need translating.
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I'm just wondering.....how long ago did the poll come out and how many people most likely took the poll as soon as it came out. Do you think people waited untill the last minute to fill out the poll and that it made -that- much more of a difference vs the first week of responces?


At my work we recently had a poll, Don't Ask Don't Tell... I won't go too deep into it but the published results based on yes or no when the poll had options like maybe or I don't care except... Any way had they released the info on that poll to the publc we'd be throwing tea in the harbor again. Instead they FUBAR'd the poll and published the results as yes or no. It skews the results alot. The results were the basis of a law. The law is about to cause alot of problems. (please don't take this wrong, I'm not trying to start a debate about the DADT example).

What I'm saying is, any responsible entity would accumulate the whole data and compute it against the source. IE if 500k people voted, yet only 200k are playing you have to skew the results a bit. There's math involved and I completely suck at statisticts... We aren't going to see a response to the poll today. It closed today. Only an irresponsible company would release naked data without having researched it first. They will look at it, disect it, mathemwhatever it, AND then ONLY then decide how to feed it back to us.
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#42 Jan 14 2011 at 4:15 PM Rating: Default
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PerrinofSylph, ****** Superhero wrote:
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I'm just wondering.....how long ago did the poll come out and how many people most likely took the poll as soon as it came out. Do you think people waited untill the last minute to fill out the poll and that it made -that- much more of a difference vs the first week of responces?


At my work we recently had a poll, Don't Ask Don't Tell... I won't go too deep into it but the published results based on yes or no when the poll had options like maybe or I don't care except... Any way had they released the info on that poll to the publc we'd be throwing tea in the harbor again. Instead they FUBAR'd the poll and published the results as yes or no. It skews the results alot. The results were the basis of a law. The law is about to cause alot of problems. (please don't take this wrong, I'm not trying to start a debate about the DADT example).

What I'm saying is, any responsible entity would accumulate the whole data and compute it against the source. IE if 500k people voted, yet only 200k are playing you have to skew the results a bit. There's math involved and I completely suck at statisticts... We aren't going to see a response to the poll today. It closed today. Only an irresponsible company would release naked data without having researched it first. They will look at it, disect it, mathemwhatever it, AND then ONLY then decide how to feed it back to us.


I think they said you needed to log in with a FFXIV ID to even do it meaning you had to have played it at some point (might include beta people) to even give a response, so i cant see it being that drastically skewed. If it was to anyone with an SE ID, then it could be, people can make accounts when they want. Il see if i can check up on that then edit what i find.
#43 Jan 14 2011 at 4:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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PerrinofSylph, ****** Superhero wrote:
nonameoflevi wrote:
I'm just wondering.....how long ago did the poll come out and how many people most likely took the poll as soon as it came out. Do you think people waited untill the last minute to fill out the poll and that it made -that- much more of a difference vs the first week of responces?


At my work we recently had a poll, Don't Ask Don't Tell... I won't go too deep into it but the published results based on yes or no when the poll had options like maybe or I don't care except... Any way had they released the info on that poll to the publc we'd be throwing tea in the harbor again. Instead they FUBAR'd the poll and published the results as yes or no. It skews the results alot. The results were the basis of a law. The law is about to cause alot of problems. (please don't take this wrong, I'm not trying to start a debate about the DADT example).

What I'm saying is, any responsible entity would accumulate the whole data and compute it against the source. IE if 500k people voted, yet only 200k are playing you have to skew the results a bit. There's math involved and I completely suck at statisticts... We aren't going to see a response to the poll today. It closed today. Only an irresponsible company would release naked data without having researched it first. They will look at it, disect it, mathemwhatever it, AND then ONLY then decide how to feed it back to us.


I'd personally love to see the raw data, but I'm a dataphile (is that a word?) and I wouldn't blame them for wanting to compile it, review it, and decide how to present it in a reasonable, concise fashion before posting it. I'd give em a week to do that, sure.
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#44 Jan 14 2011 at 4:21 PM Rating: Decent
I'd like to see the raw data too, but I know I have an EU and a US SE account. I voted 1x but I think I could have voted 2x. I'm postive people voted multiple times.
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#46 Jan 14 2011 at 5:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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They need some time to decide if/how they want to reveal the results. Obviously they need to decide if they like what they see, and what they're going to follow through on. I actually would have expected them to work on that during the voting, but they'll post it when they're ready. This is yet another opportunity for them to gain back some of that player trust (trust isn't the right word, reputation maybe) and we'll see what they do with it.
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PerrinofSylph, ****** Superhero wrote:
I'd like to see the raw data too, but I know I have an EU and a US SE account. I voted 1x but I think I could have voted 2x. I'm postive people voted multiple times.


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Seriously people... chill out and give them time to analyze the data, cross reference it, and present it in a way everyone can understand it. The pol just ended today, and you are already demanding results and throwing salt in the wound.

This is what being obssesed with twitter and facebook creates: If you don't post each 5 minutes what are you doing, you feel like your world crumbles or that you need a "big explanation" on what everyone is doing. I seriously think people believes there is a magic button that have the answers to everything and does everything in 5 seconds. Add to the that the wrong if you do it, wrong if you don't do it, and you have all this people whinning and crying over everything.
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#49 Jan 14 2011 at 8:19 PM Rating: Default
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For instance, there are a lot of legitimate reasons they might prioritize certain changes to the game that go against what the players asked for (they can be finished more quickly, or the players' requests were just dumb) and it would be a major headache for them to be seen going against the poll results.


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This poll is all PR (in which case his quote is the truth) or they'll do what the poll tells them to do (which is dumb as well).

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#51 Jan 14 2011 at 10:27 PM Rating: Default
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It has to be just PR to some extent. I mean, what are they working on right now? and for the past couple weeks? Just waiting for the poll results and eating wasabi peas? Obviously not (i hope, but man who knows anymore).

Point is, if they are smart, they have been busy at something, probably something on one of those poll lists. Either that or they are implementing the last of the former team's content, but that seems awfully foolhardy if they are just going to change everything down the line.

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