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#1 Jan 14 2011 at 11:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I want to get a feel for the what everyones thoughts are on the first FFXIV expansion. This is ofcourse pure speculation at this point:

FFXI got ROZ about one year out from release. Will (Should) FFXIV get the same treatment?

I don't think so. I think if the dev team has shown us anything it's that they're still struggling to flesh out the main game and that every resource available to them is hard at work making fixes or filling in the gaps everyones been complaining about. At the same time, how long can they wait till early adopters of the game start getting bored and wanting new stuff (on the scale of an expansion) to grind their teeth on.

I think they really need an expansion late this year, but given their resources, it'll be difficult to fix everything AND release a worthwhile expansion until sometime 2012.

ROZ added a completely different storyline, two major new islands and some new zones on the mainland (and other stuff I'm probably forgetting). What should FFXIV add?

IMO, Eorzea (the mainland and la noscea) feels a lot smaller than Vanadiels main continent. I think the first expansion will probably add Ishguard, expand on it's story and give us a couple of new zones around the continent. Future expansions IMO will be a lot more about new islands (with multiple zones and their own storylines like TOAU).

EDIT: Just wanted to add that ROZ also added a good amount of what is still considered end-game content to FFXI. I believe the first expansion for FFXIV may have the same effect in shaping what will be FFXIV's end game.

Would retailers carry an FFXIV expansion at this point or would SE be forced to release them as download only (like the add-on scenarios)?

I think it'd be difficult to justify a PC only expansion for any retailer. Who knows how many players are left playing at this point. And given that only a portion of the playerbase buys the expansion at release (Cata had 3 million sales in the first month but that's still a far cry from WOW's ~12 million subscribers) I think retailers like gamestop or bestbuy would have a hard time dedicating shelf space to what may be a very nieche title.

On the other hand if they timed it with a ps3 release (PC expac, PS3 full game + expac on same disc) it may change the stakes a bit. But again, this all depends on whether they even have much resourced devoted to developing an expansion right now. PS3 version has already been pushed back to an unknown date, this may further delay the release. So I guess the final question should be...

How much of their resources do you think they have devoted to fixing the main game and how much on developing a new expansion?

I think at this point last year they would've planned for most of their developers to be working on the expansion. Given the current climate though, I can't help but think that they've probably had to divert much of those resources to fixing the main game. The expansion is probably on a back burner for now, SE's priority atm seems to be of the games survival, not long term support.

Edited, Jan 15th 2011 12:14am by Nutchoss
#2 Jan 14 2011 at 11:24 PM Rating: Good
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FFXI got ROZ about one year out from release. Will (Should) FFXIV get the same treatment?

I do think that was the plan. However, with how the game was received I think they should instead work on, instead of making a new expansion, a cataclysmic change in Eorzea instead. As far as the lore goes, this could mean Garlean attack as well as the Beast-tribes invasion, making it a 3-lock war. The existing regions would be changed to something more "war-like" (which translates to removing some of the copy/paste and making areas more unique) and implementing more dynamic content similar to how Campaign was. And more importantly, it would fit well with the release of whatever overhauls they have planned, as well as the PS3 release. If reboot is what they have in mind, playing their cards right should be the main priority. All this should have a great impact to draw the masses attention. Right now they should polish the game up to current standard and later this year release this "bomb" (a year after release I guess).

This would obviously mean that the first expansion would be delayed by a year at least, but I don't think that is a catastrophe or anything. They have yet to release half of the vanilla's regions including the beast-tribe regions and the "fallen city" regions.
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#3 Jan 14 2011 at 11:52 PM Rating: Good
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My thoughts as harsh as they might be...

Ideally; If FFXIV hadn't been he steaming pile it was... I'm sure an expansion woulda been in development by now if not already announced. It very likely would have focused on the north since that's what the games story has largely been about. (semi rant the story makes so much about it but no payout and not even present what were they thinking?) Before release they were talking like they had some ideas for expansions already. Probably already had the first one in the beginning of development.

Reality; I will be shocked if there ever will be an expansion. I don't think I need to list the multitude of reasons why. Unless SE can get their act together and make their promised changes quickly. (And by quickly I mean within 3-6 months.) I don't see this games servers being plugged in unless they go f2p. They've already alienated the western market my understanding the Eastern market isn't too far behind. With so many big mmos coming SE has to pull a miracle to get people into eorzea before they come. (Which is sadly very doubtful)
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#4 Jan 15 2011 at 12:22 AM Rating: Good
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I think that the main game should be fleshed out and have an identity first. From the beginning, they mention that eorzea is only a region of Hadaylin, which is the entire world so they left themselves very open for plenty of new lands in the future, and i can not wait to see what these new lands entail. For a first expansion though, more things dealing with the garlean empire and fleshing them out would be the right direction to go.
#5 Jan 15 2011 at 12:37 AM Rating: Decent
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FFXI got ROZ about one year out from release. Will (Should) FFXIV get the same treatment?

I do think that was the plan. However, with how the game was received I think they should instead work on, instead of making a new expansion, a cataclysmic change in Eorzea instead. As far as the lore goes, this could mean Garlean attack as well as the Beast-tribes invasion, making it a 3-lock war. The existing regions would be changed to something more "war-like" (which translates to removing some of the copy/paste and making areas more unique) and implementing more dynamic content similar to how Campaign was. And more importantly, it would fit well with the release of whatever overhauls they have planned, as well as the PS3 release. If reboot is what they have in mind, playing their cards right should be the main priority. All this should have a great impact to draw the masses attention. Right now they should polish the game up to current standard and later this year release this "bomb" (a year after release I guess).

This would obviously mean that the first expansion would be delayed by a year at least, but I don't think that is a catastrophe or anything. They have yet to release half of the vanilla's regions including the beast-tribe regions and the "fallen city" regions.


I have no idea why this was sub-defau--OH, right... you recommended a good idea inspired from... yeah. I agree with you. Inject some life into this lifeless game.
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Hyanmen wrote:
FFXI got ROZ about one year out from release. Will (Should) FFXIV get the same treatment?

I do think that was the plan. However, with how the game was received I think they should instead work on, instead of making a new expansion, a cataclysmic change in Eorzea instead. As far as the lore goes, this could mean Garlean attack as well as the Beast-tribes invasion, making it a 3-lock war. The existing regions would be changed to something more "war-like" (which translates to removing some of the copy/paste and making areas more unique) and implementing more dynamic content similar to how Campaign was. And more importantly, it would fit well with the release of whatever overhauls they have planned, as well as the PS3 release. If reboot is what they have in mind, playing their cards right should be the main priority. All this should have a great impact to draw the masses attention. Right now they should polish the game up to current standard and later this year release this "bomb" (a year after release I guess).

This would obviously mean that the first expansion would be delayed by a year at least, but I don't think that is a catastrophe or anything. They have yet to release half of the vanilla's regions including the beast-tribe regions and the "fallen city" regions.


I have no idea why this was sub-defau--OH, right... you recommended a good idea inspired from... yeah. I agree with you. Inject some life into this lifeless game.


seconded. we were just talking about this game in relation to rift in another thread (Well mostly i was) and i was saying how dynamic content such as rift invasions would beeven more effective in xiv given the very mundane, peaceful state of the game world as it is.
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#7 Jan 15 2011 at 1:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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A paid expansion should be the last thing on SE's mind right now. Having said that, I do feel they need to take about half of what they would have put into an expansion, and give us one double-triple sized update in about a year or so. I think that'll help to put the game where it should have been initially, as well as act as a gesture of good faith.
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KujaKoF wrote:
A paid expansion should be the last thing on SE's mind right now. Having said that, I do feel they need to take about half of what they would have put into an expansion, and give us one double-triple sized update in about a year or so. I think that will help to put the game where it should have been initially, as well as act as a gesture of good faith.



I half agree with you but the other realistic half of me thinks of how much money they already have lost and even free to play games have to get their revenue from somewhere.

As a player though I don't care what the reasoning is I want a full product before I invest a large amount of time into it.

Keeping in mind what players had before RoZ came along I'd say XIV has a long way to reach that point of game play content. I'd be willing to buy expansions if it lengthens my enjoyment of the game.
#9 Jan 15 2011 at 3:28 AM Rating: Good
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seiferdincht wrote:
I half agree with you but the other realistic half of me thinks of how much money they already have lost and even free to play games have to get their revenue from somewhere.

As a player though I don't care what the reasoning is I want a full product before I invest a large amount of time into it.

Keeping in mind what players had before RoZ came along I'd say XIV has a long way to reach that point of game play content. I'd be willing to buy expansions if it lengthens my enjoyment of the game.


Yeah, but I imagine that's what the nDS titles have been for -- funding the larger projects. Considering how quickly they've been pumping them out I doubt they're *that* costly to make considering the last few haven't sold as well as I'd expect. Well, but not "Square-Enix" well.

I wouldn't be surprised if needing cash is the reason they're doing yet another FFIV remake.
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Wada said he wants the newer employee's of the company get some experience first before moving on to larger titles, and spin-offs, remakes and such are meant to accomplish this.
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I don't think SE should be taking marketing or development advice from Wada. :/

Hmmm. Guess it's unavoidable until he also resigns in shame.
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#12 Jan 17 2011 at 2:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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If SE needs to make money so badly all they need to do is make another Chrono game. It still baffles me that they had the license for Chrono Break for like 8 years, have had an INSANE amount of fan mail calling for the game, yet have completely ignored it. I know a lot of the team that made them has moved on to other things, but they could still sell an insane number of copies of it regardless.

As for FFXIV, I don't EXPECT an expansion any time soon, but I also would not be surprised by one. Like someone above mentioned, the Garlean Empire is the perfect expansion. They've already got the foundation in place with a pretty epic storyline, and with the idea of the Garlean's vast technology and machinery, they could make an absolutely WICKED new continent. I'd love to see a Machine City like in FFVII, or whole armies of mechs roaming the landscape. Really, the possibilities are endless, and that is one of the reasons I can't give up on this game. If they actually flesh out some of the gameplay and combine it with the amazing storyline they have so far, this game could be so phenomenal. There is so much unrealized potential just waiting to be tapped.
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#13 Jan 17 2011 at 2:21 AM Rating: Excellent
FFXI got ROZ about one year out from release. Will (Should) FFXIV get the same treatment?

Certainly not. Right now, there's not really much of a game to expand upon... we still don't have the guts of the game's story in place to be experienced. Square Enix needs to lock down the initial version of the game before even contemplating an expansion. I mean, the very word "expansion" implies there is something in place to be expanded upon. We need a lot more basic content in place before we should have an expansion.

Would retailers carry an FFXIV expansion at this point or would SE be forced to release them as download only (like the add-on scenarios)?

At this point, I doubt anyone would carry a FFXIV expansion, but that's somewhat irrelevant because SE is not releasing any expansions at this time. I still believe this game has a playerbase-in-waiting that wants this game to be great... and if SE can make the changes to make it great, then I fully expect many players to come back. Plus, if SE fleshes out the game before the PS3 release, then there could be a huge influx of players. Never underestimate two things: 1) the power of marketing, and 2) how quickly people forget things (thus paving the way for grand re-openings).

How much of their resources do you think they have devoted to fixing the main game and how much on developing a new expansion?

I would hope there are zero resources dedicated toward an expansion at the moment. Every single Square Enix employee and contractor who can possibly help with the current state of FFXIV should be doing exactly that, and only that.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 12:21am by Thayos
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FFXI got ROZ about one year out from release. Will (Should) FFXIV get the same treatment?

Certainly not. Right now, there's not really much of a game to expand upon... we still don't have the guts of the game's story in place to be experienced. Square Enix needs to lock down the initial version of the game before even contemplating an expansion. I mean, the very word "expansion" implies there is something in place to be expanded upon. We need a lot more basic content in place before we should have an expansion.

Would retailers carry an FFXIV expansion at this point or would SE be forced to release them as download only (like the add-on scenarios)?

At this point, I doubt anyone would carry a FFXIV expansion, but that's somewhat irrelevant because SE is not releasing any expansions at this time. I still believe this game has a playerbase-in-waiting that wants this game to be great... and if SE can make the changes to make it great, then I fully expect many players to come back. Plus, if SE fleshes out the game before the PS3 release, then there could be a huge influx of players. Never underestimate two things: 1) the power of marketing, and 2) how quickly people forget things (thus paving the way for grand re-openings).

How much of their resources do you think they have devoted to fixing the main game and how much on developing a new expansion?

I would hope there are zero resources dedicated toward an expansion at the moment. Every single Square Enix employee and contractor who can possibly help with the current state of FFXIV should be doing exactly that, and only that.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 12:21am by Thayos


couldn't have said it better myself.
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#15 Jan 17 2011 at 5:02 AM Rating: Decent
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I agree entirely. Based upon the feedback that the game recieved when it was put out, I wouldn't want to be a gaming store/department caught selling games that suck. Surprisingly enough, I have seen FFXIV at a local Walmart recently, which is interesting since they refused to carry FFXI expansions at all after the initial release of FFXI+Zilart.
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It's my understanding that a large portion of the Chrono team worked on/ is working on FFXI/FFXIV. S-E has stated in the past that Chrono Cross didn't do as well as they wanted, and if fans wanted a new Chrono game, they should buy the Chrono Trigger remake on DS (which also underperformed IIRC) to show support. Even if S-E released the Chrono game of fanboys' dreams and it sold millions of copies, it still wouldn't bring in the revenue that a subscription-based online Final Fantasy can.
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If SE released and charged for an expansion for a game which even THEY don't feel right charging for... They would NEVER, EVER hear the end of it.
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#18 Jan 17 2011 at 3:04 PM Rating: Default
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Hello,

I do not think an expansion is what they are/ should be worried about at this point in time they should focus on all major issues in the game adding content along the way. Launch new content with the ps3 release and ADVERTISE THE GAME! They need comercials, popups and banners.
#19 Jan 17 2011 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
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They need comercials, popups and banners.


Yes, no, and no.

WoW has TV commercials. ****, even DC Online is playing TV commercials.

After the game is fixed, SE needs to invest in TV commercials for FFXIV. They can do it for friggin Kingdom Hearts and FF13, why the **** can't they do it for 14?
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Yes, no, and no.

WoW has TV commercials. ****, even DC Online is playing TV commercials.

After the game is fixed, SE needs to invest in TV commercials for FFXIV. They can do it for friggin Kingdom Hearts and FF13, why the **** can't they do it for 14?
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Because for whatever reason they don't treat their MMO games like the rest and they need to. The only time FFXI was advertised was when it came out for xbox. ><
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