That's me criticizing past titles.
My whole argument has been about you criticizing the past FF's without even realizing it (and not saying "I am now criticizing Final Fantasy VIII as well as XIII", lol). I gave examples as to why your criticism applies to every FF before XIII- therefore by criticizing XIII using those examples, you criticized the games before it as well, although not directly. This would be fine, but when you act like the same criticism doesn't apply to the previous games, that's when things just don't seem right no longer.
No, you really didn't give any examples of this. You seem to think you did. But you didn't.
Feel free to count how many cutscenes there are in 13 and compare them to the number of cutscenes in any other FF title.
I think I'll just say that the game has just as many cutscenes as FF's before it (excluding 12, I guess) and that it is readily observable. It's your claim, not mine anyway.
Just for the same of argument:
Cutscenes in FF1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6: zero
Cutscenes in 7: About 3 or 4.
Cutscenes in 8: fewer than a dozen.
Cutscenes in 13: several dozen.
Yes, it had a lot more cutscenes than previous titles, especially considering that no FF title prior to PS1 had -any-. Are you honestly trying to claim that FF13 has "just as many cutscenes" as games that had NONE? Really?
See, it's stuff like that that makes me think you -have- to be trolling.
I am somehow bashing every FF ever made simply because there were some aspects about 13 I didn't like
You are bashing every FF ever made because said aspects you didn't like were also present in previous FF's. Not all of them, no, but the most important ones anyway.
You are also not saying anything more than what you quoted. That's not enough. If you want to prove me wrong, tell me how said aspects aren't present in the previous FF's so I can admit what I said was wrong.
One interesting thing I noticed from that irc chat. If this is all so subjective, why do you feel like you need to come out and tell us your valuable opinion (and so strongly, even)? Especially if you are going to take a neutral approach later when said opinion sparks an argument. Don't say you didn't think it would. Of course it does, especially when you have such an extreme opinion against the title. Somebody is going to take the bait.
And stuff like this too. I'm going to simplify this to just the two basic major points: No, every FF was not "just a map with one exit and entrance". The maps had several exits and entrances. Towns had multiple small houses with NPCs inside them. Dungeons were labyrinths that you had to navigate through. Conversely, in 13, there's one way in to the map and one way out. compare the complexity of the maps in games like 11, 12, or 4, 5, 6 and you're honestly trying to tell me these maps are EXACTLY the same as the tunnel maps of 10 and 13?
The second aspect was the overuse of cutscenes. Go back and play just sixty minutes of FF13. Just an hour. Come on, if you love the game so much, you can do that. Count the total runtime of movie clips in the first 60 minutes proportionate to gameplay and compare it to any other FF title. Prior to 12, none of them come anywhere close. And 13 will still outclass 12 in terms of "time spent watching cutscene" vs "time actively spent playing the game".
I loaned FF13 to someone and told them to take their time with it, but if you want to do the FF13 part, I'll pop in 12 and play it for an hour and compare.
As for my opinion, yeah, I stated it freely. I didn't expect that someone would get so butthurt about it as you did and try to argue with me as long as you have. Did I expect someone would disagree? Sure. Did I expect I'd end up having to explain such simple concepts as "I liked 1-12. I didn't like 13" over and over and over to someone who just isn't getting it? No, I really didn't anticipate that.
My assumption would be that it would have been someone saying "Huh, I liked 13; you know it gets better later?" and me saying "That's cool, I heard that from other people, but I couldn't get that far before I quit" and then maybe them saying "Sorry to hear that" or whatever and then it ends there.
You just seem to really be deadset on the idea of "Because Mik didn't like 13, he must hate every FF title ever" and you really seem intent on running with that as far as you can.
So yeah. Didn't really anticipate that my opinion on one game would result in someone trying to imply I didn't like any of them and not understanding that sometimes, some people can just not like one game and just one game.