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#1 Jan 17 2011 at 9:01 AM Rating: Decent
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People might hate me for this thread, but I have already looked around for answers and it's pretty unanimous that integrated graphics, even Intel HD are a bad idea for gaming and FFXIV. But I don't think I've seen people mention exactly why this is. Intel HD is capable of running Crysis smoothly (as an example), but it doesn't look very good, but for some people (like me), that's not an issue and an Intel HD would suffice, particularly as Intel HD runs cooler and consumes less battery power. But for what reason is it that Intel HD is a bad idea for FFXIV? Is it possible for it to be playable with graphic settings at minimum? Or does FFXIV simply refuse to run?

The reason I ask is that it's the difference of £60 out of my wallet. I am about to buy a new laptop and I've got the simple choice of paying: £480 for an Intel i3, Intel HD, 500gb HDD, 2gb RAM laptop or £540 for an Intel i5, ATI Radeon Mobility HD 5145 512mb, 320gb HDD, 3gb RAM laptop (they're both the same model, just different configurations). Chances are, I'll be grabbing a desktop PC at a later stage, so if I go for the i3 laptop, it doesn't necessarily matter, as the laptop isn't being bought with FFXIV in mind, but it'd be nice to be able to play it.

Or are both laptops simply destined to fail and I should just save £60 anyway?

Thank you :)

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 10:02am by Saefinn
#2 Jan 17 2011 at 10:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Intel HD is not able to play crysis at anything even remotely reasonable.

Intergrated graphics are rubbish full stop when it comes gaming. No intel grpahics chipset no matter what they say has ever been good for games/ 3D applications.

i seriously wouldnt recommend gaming on either of those laptops for FF

minimum requirements for FFXIV are

2Ghz Core2 so CPU is fine in the laptop although FF loves the CPU
2GB of RAM which the laptop has but its gunna be **** poor slow and this will be a real killer
Graphics card is an ATI/Nvida GPU with 512VRAM 9600+ or 2900+ respectively - not even sure if it supports Intel HD its doubtful at best

oh and the kicker minimum RES of 1280x720 so make sure the laptop has that which it most likely will.

out of the 2 you mentioned the i5 is considerably faster since its has much better CPU, more RAM, a much better GPU.

this list is a good general comparision between mobile GPUs
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

Intel HD (best one) RANK= 215
ATI 5145 RANK= 138

so even though the ATI GPU isnt that good is stupidly faster than the intel HD





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#3 Jan 17 2011 at 11:34 AM Rating: Good
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If you just have to have a laptop for whatever reason, don't expect it to do much gaming as a general rule...as far I know, the bare minimum cost for a gaming laptop equal to a 500-700 USD gaming PC is around 1500 USD if you buy from stores, maybe a few hundred less if you get it online...
General rule of thumb for computers is laptops cost twice as much for the same capabilities as any given PC, not counting the ability to place it on your crotch without causing bodily harm.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 11:35am by Uryuu
#4 Jan 17 2011 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
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Integrated graphics are terrible. No exceptions.
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#5 Jan 17 2011 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
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To give you an idea why it's a bad idea I'll use my laptop as an example:

I have a 2.93ghz Core 2 Duo in my laptop, with an Nvidia 9600M GTX 512 and 4GB DDR3 1066mhz.

On this computer, at 1280x800 (it's 16:10 instead of 16:9 ratio) on Lowest settings possible, not only does the game look as bad as FFXI did, but it was incredibly choppy and hard to even get through town. You can't see the names of players until they are right next to you (they basically show up as a bar and aren't readable because of pixelation), you can only see about 40 feet and everything else is foggy ...


Yes I can run 14, and I meet the "Desktop minimum specs" but Laptop GPUs are way weaker than their desktop counterparts. A 9600 is the minimum for FFXIV but a 9600M is closer to the performance level of say, a 6800.

When you run through town, every other second the game seems to pause. I have an 80 gig SSD hard drive too, with 40 gig free and no AV running.


On my desktop using dual GTX 480s and an i7 I get a performance of 7200 on the benchmark and 60 FPS in town. However, if I turn on NVidia 3D Vision I drop to about 35 fps. So, maybe a 580 will do better.



To give you some hope though, my friend has a laptop with a 9800M GTX 1 gig, at a similar resolution, 1366x768 with a 2.66ghz processor and it runs the game mostly smoothly on default settings, a little laggy at times in town, but overall the game looks nice and plays nice. Just try not to stand in the middle of Ul'dah
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#6 Jan 17 2011 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Nobody would hate you for this thread but its more like who ever had told you intergrated graphics can play games needs to brush up on their home work. There is a reason why there are minimum requirements and recommended requirements are on boxes/websites for the game. Any high end game requires a dedicated graphics card and there is no exception.

For example I own laptop i7 1.6GHz,4gb ddr3, GT 230M. On normal settings its only playable with extended drawing turned off, and I also turned off physics just to allow the game to run much smoother but playable with it on.
#7 Jan 17 2011 at 2:07 PM Rating: Decent
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I was scrolling through YouTube vids and found examples of an Intel Core i3 with Intel HD graphics running Crysis, low quality, but it had a smooth gameplay, this is why I thought perhaps an Intel HD would be moderately okay for games. Here's a link to one vid.

The general idea for the laptop is to not for running games, but for other purposes, but I like the idea of being able to play FFXIV nonetheless and might be willing to spend £60 more. Otherwise I can wait until I purchase a new desktop. If I get what I'm expecting next week, I'll probably go for the i5 anyway as it'll be an extra gig of RAM, a better processor and better graphics. I was having a chat with somebody in my LS about it and he has a laptop of the same make (Lenovo) with a similar spec, but running AMD and an ATI Radeon HD 4200 512mb, he says it works on lower settings, but he gets some lag, I suspect with an i5 processor and Radeon HD 5145 I'd have a better run at it. His desktop has a 5600 and it runs nicely with decent graphics, though of course, as mentioned, the laptop version of a card doesn't perform as well. And of course, with an example given in this thread, there's some hope. I think sometimes laptop gaming is a hit and miss anyway, I found on my (now dead) Acer Aspire, I was over the spec for the original Mass Effect game but it ran horribly (though Crysis, AC and FO3 ran fine), but someone with one of a similar spec ran ME beautifully.


So when I get my laptop, I'll just have to see how well I do in the benchmark, I know it isn't a brilliant reference for how it'll be in game, but it'll give some indication. The fact there's some hope and that the extra £60 is probably worth the investment, I might just get it. I guess I'll leave it to how much I get paid. :D

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Ah, don't worry, I was being facetious, 'can my PC run this?' seems to be a common thread on these kind of forums and a question that can be answered with a bit of research. ;)
#8 Jan 17 2011 at 2:35 PM Rating: Decent
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His desktop has a 5600 and it runs nicely with decent graphics


do you mean a 5670 ? if so that isnt a very high end card either more like top of the low end maybe and performance on FFXIV would be sluggish unless some settings are turned down or the resolution is lowered considerably.


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I think sometimes laptop gaming is a hit and miss anyway, I found on my (now dead) Acer Aspire, I was over the spec for the original Mass Effect game but it ran horribly (though Crysis, AC and FO3 ran fine), but someone with one of a similar spec ran ME beautifully.


it isnt hit or miss at all. decent hardware makes it possible. pay £1000+/$1700+ for a gaming laptop and you will have something that can play games decently although no where near as a good as a dekstop.

buy laptops with intergrated GPUs or low-mid range mobile GPUs and performance is still rubbish.

regarding spec just because your over the minimum to play doesnt mean it will play good. **** even if your over the recommended you wont be able to run it with all settings on MAX at a good res.. also when they quote specs they mean desktop varieties not laptop ones. even if it says 2Ghz core2 or whatever and your laptop has this it isnt as powerful as its desktop counterpart which was pointed out earlier.

I guess if your getting the laptop anyway it cant hurt to try. I can recommend you turn down most of the settgins to minimum and use the lowest res.

to put it into perspective of how rubbish your laptop will play it. i have a i7 @ 4GHz with 6GB of DDR 1600mhz and a 1 GB 4870 (i know its old, im due for an upgrade) which is leagues ahead of the 5145, like pitting a fly to fight a lion lol. I can not run this game at full settings I have most stuff on high/highest but no AA and 1 or 2 effects turned off like ambiant occulsion and depth of field. i run it at 1920x1080 though and score around 50+ FPS avg but dips to 30's when its in town with tons of peopel around.

ideally to check run FRAPS when in game and make sure you dont go below 30FPS and keep adjusting till you hit this if you can.

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#9 Jan 17 2011 at 6:49 PM Rating: Good
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Just to give you a heads up...I bought an HP dm4-1265dx notebook a couple of weeks ago (which I love) mainly for school.

Just for my personal reference I decided to see if I could install FFXIV and run it on the lowest settings, just so I can work on my crafting while I'm away from home.

Install went fine - no issues, but the game just will not run. I turned all the settings down as low as possible and after selecting "Start Game", it goes to Now Loading and then "FFXIV has stopped responding".

So just for everyones reference, the Intel HD won't run this game. Like the other posters, I wouldnt recommend buying this notebook for gaming anyways, every computer has its purpose, and this is not one of them.
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#10 Jan 17 2011 at 7:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I was considering one of these http://www.xoticpc.com/asus-g73jwrog-limted-edition-asus-gaming-laptop-p-2938.html , for this year. If you want to game I suggest this is probably the one to go with.

Currently I have an alienware m17, it's almost 3 years old. It has ATI Mobility HD 3870 X2, Intel Core 2 Quad Q9000 @ 2.0Ghz, and 4 gb of ddr3 ram. Handles the game fine, except for the drivers issues that alienware and ati refuse to upgrade.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 8:24pm by Spyrit178
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#11 Nov 28 2011 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
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This may be quite a bit on from this thread date but it does work on Intel HD. Driver needs updated to the latest but the manufacturer may not allow this and may only allow u to download drivers from there website, but theres a way around this.
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#12 Nov 28 2011 at 4:31 PM Rating: Decent
daza19 wrote:
This may be quite a bit on from this thread date but it does work on Intel HD. Driver needs updated to the latest but the manufacturer may not allow this and may only allow u to download drivers from there website, but theres a way around this.


Quite a bit of research, blood, sweat and tears have gone into my efforts to get FFXIV to run on integrated graphics from Intel - using a HP EliteBook 8000 series with Core i7 processor - no luck, the game will install but will not run. SE is clear on what the cards / series are supported, and Intel Integrated are not included. No functional work-around has been found without modifying the driver files - and even that puts your CPU at risk of heat damage.

edit: dangit - missed the necro tag, my bad for perpetuating it.

Edited, Nov 28th 2011 5:33pm by Dyrwydi
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#13 Nov 29 2011 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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I have had the game run on a friend's laptop that has an Intel integrated graphics card, but the settings are set so low, it looks like a low-resolution of a glitched Final Fantasy VII.

It's not worth it.

Edited, Nov 29th 2011 11:07am by UltKnightGrover
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