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#1 Jan 17 2011 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
Let the whining commence...

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=988d5b53ff87b73f2172bcff7c64ded284583f44

Q.What is a retainer?

A.Retainers are non-player characters (NPCs) who can be employed by players. They may be entrusted with both gil and items, placed in market areas to manage bazaars, and given a number of other tasks.

Q.How do I go about employing a retainer?

A.Retainers can be employed by following the procedure detailed below.

■Step 1
Visit an Adventurers' Guild and speak to the relevant NPC (pictured below).
* Retainers can be hired in any city-state, not only the one selected during character creation.
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#2 Jan 17 2011 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent
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hahahahahahahahaha *deep breath* hahahahahahaahah
#3 Jan 17 2011 at 10:47 AM Rating: Decent
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These silly updates don't really bother me anymore, its not like there's still tons of unanswered questions out there. And then they did take people's suggestions and title them beginners guides instead of FAQs.
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#4 Jan 17 2011 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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Wait...did we all just get *****-slapped by SE?
They're just trying to help the new players...ahhahhaa.

*bursts into tears*

I really hope this wasn't the post of the week and the next one isn't a week away.
#5 Jan 17 2011 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
The entire post is actually pretty detailed. I wish it was there last night when my newly recruited newbie players I added to my Linkshell were asking me all these questions. Would have spared me another lesson about aspects of the gameSmiley: lol
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#6 Jan 17 2011 at 11:00 AM Rating: Decent
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...wow. It's getting harder and harder to trust SE with these absolute bullsh*t posts. Seriously, it'd be better if they posted nothing than posting that. It is a slap in the face to every person playing this game. =/

Edit: Ok, perhaps this was a bit of a knee-jerk reaction. It's just getting very frustrating seeing these posts coming before any info on updates, and every time I see them my faith in SE's gets shaken just a little bit more. Hopefully they can come through with something good soon.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 12:19pm by BartelX
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#7 Jan 17 2011 at 11:02 AM Rating: Default
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It is a slap in the face to every person playing this game. =/


If the reason anyone is playing this game are the posts on the lodestone, I have great news to deliver.

You don't have to play the game to visit the lodestone.
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#8 Jan 17 2011 at 11:06 AM Rating: Decent
You guys are pathetic.

At first you praise SE for making "Q&A" and for "talking" to us, but you actually don't want them to "communicate" with you. You just want Update-announcements, nothing else.

I am really dissapointed in you guys. You don't give a **** about new players, but you complain about these same players, who wear r40 gear at rank 10 or don't socialize because they just get ignored when they ask for help.

I'm actually quite happy that the majority of you guys aren't on my server.
#9 Jan 17 2011 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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It is a slap in the face to every person playing this game. =/


If the reason anyone is playing this game are the posts on the lodestone, I have great news to deliver.

You don't have to play the game to visit the lodestone.


Yeah hyanmen, the reason I play this game is to see posts on the lodestone... really? This has absolutely nothing to do with playing the game for posts on the lodestone, and everything to do with wanting to here some kind of information on how they are progressing with the latest version update, or some inclination that they are actually accomplishing anything and not just expecting the few remaining players to blindly follow them.

I don't want this to turn into another ffxi, where the only time we get relevant information is a week before the version update, and even then they only give us a glimpse as to what might change. I was hoping that things would be different this time around, and perhaps they still will be, but not having a single relevant post about what they are doing in almost a month is very disheartening.
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#10 Jan 17 2011 at 11:10 AM Rating: Excellent
It's not a BS update to the lodestone, what it is is misguided. They're trying to make the game more accessible to new purchasers, the problem is we take it as them ignoring our pleas to describe other items. These ARE good guides, obviously some people need them that have been playing since release. They just should have been in place at launch and we should be getting into in depth tactics or crafting at this point.
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#11 Jan 17 2011 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
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CroBudi wrote:
You guys are pathetic.

At first you praise SE for making "Q&A" and for "talking" to us, but you actually don't want them to "communicate" with you. You just want Update-announcements, nothing else.

I am really dissapointed in you guys. You don't give a @#%^ about new players, but you complain about these same players, who wear r40 gear at rank 10 or don't socialize because they just get ignored when they ask for help.

I'm actually quite happy that the majority of you guys aren't on my server.


I'm pathetic for actually wanting to here something about what they are doing to improve the game? Wow, someone has their priorities mixed up. I would be perfectly happy if this information was released alongside some information about the actual content that we are patiently awaiting. Instead, they are writing these posts and giving us no inclination as to when we might expect to see improvements. I'm sorry if I'm starting to get a little bored with the monotonous grind of this game. That's what happens when there is absolutely nothing to do other than level multiple classes.

I'm not demanding a version update. I'm not giving them some ultimatum or deadline as to when I'll quit. I'm just expecting that for a game with so little content and so many issues, that the devs would at least be a little bit more forthcoming with what they are doing, instead of posting information that, while useful, is an absolute kick to the crotch to anyone playing this game for more than a couple weeks.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 12:21pm by BartelX
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#12 Jan 17 2011 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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...about 4 months too late, that one.
Besides, a far better explanation would be:

Q: What is a retainer?
A: A herding type of zombie that lives in the battlecraft dungeon and sells marmot meat.
#13 Jan 17 2011 at 11:22 AM Rating: Decent
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...about 4 months too late, that one.
Besides, a far better explanation would be:

Q: What is a retainer?
A: A herding type of zombie that lives in the battlecraft dungeon and sells marmot meat.


...and won't be able to sell anything because said dungeon will crash 3x a day. =P
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#14 Jan 17 2011 at 11:25 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm sorry if I'm starting to get a little bored with the monotonous grind of this game. That's what happens when there is absolutely nothing to do other than level multiple classes.


I have the perfect solution for you, that doesn't involve SE posting anything on the lodestone (which changes... what? Monotonous grind becomes Exciting grind?)

If you can not behave rationally, that's not SE's problem.

And to those who play the game because they like it, this is not a slap in the face. Granted, there's not many people like that around, because people act irrationally.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 8:26pm by Hyanmen
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#15 Jan 17 2011 at 11:25 AM Rating: Default
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***** you SE. ***** you hard.

I am now oficially giving up on this garbage of a game/company. I have found other mmorpgs that have a much higher entertainment value to me. I gave you so many chances, SE...and all you gave us was the run-around. I haven't logged in for weeks becuase I simply cannot find anything entertaining to do in the game. I have absolutely no reason to level my rank or character.

I appreciate the situation that this game is in, but you could at least keep us informed. Instead, you continue to post useless beginner guides (as if there are actually droves of new players eager to explore Eorzea).

I'd say it has been a fun experience, but it really has been everything but that. No longer will I drink your kool-aid, SE. I hope some of you really are enjoying your time in game rather than just sticking around in hopes of a miracle. Personally, I'm sick of that s***. I'd much rather be enjoying my time with an mmorpg that entertains me.

Yes, I'm bitter. But, I now know better.

{Take care}
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#16 Jan 17 2011 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
Upon further study I wonder if there's not a hint in there some where... the example retainers are named Version Update 3 and 4... We've technically had 2 major updates right? Maybe it's a hint as to the 5th one will be completely done by the new team, or that we should expect 3 and 4 soon... or or or or

Sorry I'd rather come up with silly theories than whine like I guessed some folks would.
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#17 Jan 17 2011 at 11:30 AM Rating: Default
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PerrinofSylph, ****** Superhero wrote:

Sorry I'd rather come up with silly theories than whine like I guessed some folks would.



I'd rather look like an a****** than a fool.
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#18 Jan 17 2011 at 11:31 AM Rating: Decent
BartelX wrote:
Instead, they are writing these posts and giving us no inclination as to when we might expect to see improvements. I'm sorry if I'm starting to get a little bored with the monotonous grind of this game. That's what happens when there is absolutely nothing to do other than level multiple classes.


Game is free, you don't pay for it. Come back when the announce an update.

BartelX wrote:
Personally, I think you're the pathetic one for not asking more from them.


I'm asking way more from them than any of you guys, but I my PRIORITIES are acutally the changes and not information about them. They can write a 400 page book about how they want to change the game and what will be in the next update, it doesnt matter! I still wont have the content they are talking about.

BartelX wrote:
I'm not demanding a version update.


Read your post, you are demanding a version update, everyone is.

BartelX wrote:
BartelX wrote:
I'm pathetic for actually wanting to hear* something about what they are doing to improve the game? Wow, someone has their priorities mixed up. I would be perfectly happy if this information was released alongside some information about the actual content that we are patiently awaiting.

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I'm not giving them some ultimatum or deadline as to when I'll quit. I'm just expecting that for a game with so little content and so many issues, that the devs would at least be a little bit more forthcoming with what they are doing, instead of posting information that, while useful, is an absolute kick to the crotch to anyone playing this game for more than a couple weeks.


FINAL FANTASY XIV Player's Poll the First. Never seen a game actually ask the players what they want. But I guess for you it was yet again a punch in the face, because in your pathetic opinion they have no clue what to do so they ask us.
#19 Jan 17 2011 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Smiley: lol The bitterness is a lot more hilarious than a beginner's guide. I don't see how a guide for beginner's is funny to begin with. What unanswered questions are out there? Everything is known and accounted for unless it's a question about content, then people are just being impatient because for 8 years in XI, 2-3 in FMO and 4 months in XIV it's well known when we're about to get content.
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#20 Jan 17 2011 at 11:35 AM Rating: Good
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CroBudi wrote:
You guys are pathetic.

At first you praise SE for making "Q&A" and for "talking" to us, but you actually don't want them to "communicate" with you. You just want Update-announcements, nothing else.

I am really dissapointed in you guys. You don't give a @#%^ about new players


1.) I think by "communication," many people meant more than a Q&A for basic systems that everyone figured out for themselves within two days of release.

2.) Yes, people really want update announcements, or meaningful announcements; something that shows the game won't be dead a month from now would be nice.

3.) First of all, everyone else figured out how to summon a retainer, so it's not like this "guide" was keeping all the hordes of new players from playing (and if they know how to look up lodestone, they know how to look up a wiki, or come to Zam); second, I am not sure how many new players are joining up for people not "not give a @#%^" about. This leads back to number 1 and 2.


Edited, Jan 17th 2011 1:10pm by KaneKitty
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#21 Jan 17 2011 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm sorry if I'm starting to get a little bored with the monotonous grind of this game. That's what happens when there is absolutely nothing to do other than level multiple classes.


I have the perfect solution for you, that doesn't involve SE posting anything on the lodestone (which changes... what? Monotonous grind becomes Exciting grind?)

If you can not behave rationally, that's not SE's problem.

And to those who play the game because they like it, this is not a slap in the face. Granted, there's not many people like that around, because people act irrationally.]


How is it irrational to ask them to post information relevant to the changes they will be making? To me, that seems extremely rational. What seems irrational, is your inability to take off the blinders and realize that this game NEEDS some updates.

And as to it changing nothing, it at least lets me know that changes are DEFINITELY coming and what they are actually doing to improve the game. It might not change the game itself, but it gives a reassurance that changes will come. Right now, what reassurances do I have that anything is changing? We got a players poll that ended last week and we have gotten no information from it. We've had repeated beginner's post with no information as to changes that are intended, and we have no timeline as to when these changes come out. ****, SE could make a post saying "Hey, we're working on the following changes: X, Y, Z, but they will not be ready for at least 2 months" and I would be satisfied. At least then they are telling us what their approach is.

People seem to think that anyone who posts anything negative about the game must hate it or something. That is absolutely not true. I LOVE the game. But yes, I am getting bored with the monotony and would like to see more content added. If it takes them a while, that's fine, but at least let me know when I can expect it and what I can expect.
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Do the whiners know the results of the poll?

Well perhaps they should consider "what if" what if the results of the poll are that players want more in-depth guides (what I actually voted for) then this thorough in-depth guide is exactly what I asked for and what players want?

stop whining, if you really hate the game so much, go away. We will get an update as soon as its ready.
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#23 Jan 17 2011 at 11:43 AM Rating: Default
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1.) I think by "communication," many people meant more than a Q&A for basic systems that everyone figured out for themselves within two days of release.


Nope. People were posting HERE ON ZAM how much they love the Q&A and how much better it is compared to FFXI.

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2.) Yes, people really want update announcements, or meaningful announcements; something that shows the game won't be dead a month from now would be nice.

They get it! Just not on a weekly basis NOT A SINGLE GAMING COMPANY* gives information about future updates EVERY WEEK!
*prove me wrong.

[quote=KaneKitty]3.) First of all, everyone else figured out how to summon a retainer, so it's not like this "guide" was keeping all the hordes of new players from playing (and if they know how to look up lodestone, they know hwo to look up a wiki, or come to Zam); second, I am not sure how many new players are joining up for people not "not give a @#%^" about. This leads back to number 1 and 2.


oh my, So **** ALL Q&As. ZAM has every information you need. SE was wasting their precious time with these Guides. SOME PEOPLE DONT GO TO FORUMS TO LEARN ABOUT THE GAME! I didnt. I learned it the hard way by testing. I learned how to use the Market Wards/Bazaar after 2-3 weeks!
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BartelX wrote:

How is it irrational to ask them to post information relevant to the changes they will be making?


http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=cb4dc09784bc24b4fde2e45de9f018ec5fb504d2

They know the game needs update, we know the game needs updates but they also want to post guides for beginners (which isn't a crime by the way) it's just people are so bitter and impatient they're letting the frustration blind them because if it was any other company they'd welcome any information with open arms.

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Do the whiners know the results of the poll?

Well perhaps they should consider "what if" what if the results of the poll are that players want more in-depth guides (what I actually voted for) then this thorough in-depth guide is exactly what I asked for and what players want?stop whining, if you really hate the game so much, go away. We will get an update as soon as its ready.



You strike me as the type of person who clicks on every internet pop-up claiming that you've won a cash prize...you, know..just in case you really did win...

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 12:47pm by McDomination
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Mistress Theonehio wrote:
BartelX wrote:

How is it irrational to ask them to post information relevant to the changes they will be making?


http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=cb4dc09784bc24b4fde2e45de9f018ec5fb504d2

They know the game needs update, we know the game needs updates but they also want to post guides for beginners (which isn't a crime by the way) it's just people are so bitter and impatient they're letting the frustration blind them because if it was any other company they'd welcome any information with open arms.


thanks, thats what I was looking for to post here lol
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#27 Jan 17 2011 at 11:47 AM Rating: Decent
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How is it irrational to ask them to post information relevant to the changes they will be making?


It is irrational to act like your enjoyment of the game depends on said information. The updates won't come any faster regardless.

And if it doesn't, then it shouldn't matter either way. You like the game in that case, and that's what should logically matter, not what happens outside the game.
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Metin wrote:
Do the whiners know the results of the poll?

Well perhaps they should consider "what if" what if the results of the poll are that players want more in-depth guides (what I actually voted for) then this thorough in-depth guide is exactly what I asked for and what players want?stop whining, if you really hate the game so much, go away. We will get an update as soon as its ready.



You strike me as the type of person who clicks on every internet pop-up claiming that you've won a cash prize...you, know..just in case you really did win...

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 12:47pm by McDomination

what.. are you suggesting that they arent genuine? ZOMG you blow my mind
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CroBudi wrote:
BartelX wrote:
Instead, they are writing these posts and giving us no inclination as to when we might expect to see improvements. I'm sorry if I'm starting to get a little bored with the monotonous grind of this game. That's what happens when there is absolutely nothing to do other than level multiple classes.


Game is free, you don't pay for it. Come back when the announce an update.


I love the way some people think. It's free and if you don't like something, GTFO! What a great philosophy to have...

CroBudi wrote:
BartelX wrote:
Personally, I think you're the pathetic one for not asking more from them.


I'm asking way more from them than any of you guys, but I my PRIORITIES are acutally the changes and not information about them. They can write a 400 page book about how they want to change the game and what will be in the next update, it doesnt matter! I still wont have the content they are talking about.


No, but I would like a timeline as to when it will come out. Why is it so hard to grasp that some people actually WOULD like to know what is going on with the game instead of getting beginner information that everyone knows? News flash, there aren't that many new players. It's not like the PS3 version just came out and there are a flood of low-level players. They are posting this information to a group of MOSTLY people who have been here since release. Oh, and kudos to you for "asking more from them than any of you guys", that's a super solid argument you have there.

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I'm not demanding a version update.


Read your post, you are demanding a version update, everyone is.


Where exactly did I demand a version update. If you actually took the time to READ my posts, you'd realize that ISN'T what I demanded. I asked for them to give us info as to what they are doing and a possible timeline for when things might change. If you can't understand the difference, just stop posting because you're just wasting my time.

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BartelX wrote:
I'm pathetic for actually wanting to hear* something about what they are doing to improve the game? Wow, someone has their priorities mixed up. I would be perfectly happy if this information was released alongside some information about the actual content that we are patiently awaiting.

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I'm not giving them some ultimatum or deadline as to when I'll quit. I'm just expecting that for a game with so little content and so many issues, that the devs would at least be a little bit more forthcoming with what they are doing, instead of posting information that, while useful, is an absolute kick to the crotch to anyone playing this game for more than a couple weeks.


FINAL FANTASY XIV Player's Poll the First. Never seen a game actually ask the players what they want. But I guess for you it was yet again a punch in the face, because in your pathetic opinion they have no clue what to do so they ask us.


Wow, I didn't realize an opinion could be wrong. Oh by the way, what exactly did the Player's Poll tell us about what they are changing? Did they give a SINGLE specific as to what would change, or any timeline to these changes, or any concrete information? No? Then seriously, STFU.


Edited, Jan 17th 2011 12:57pm by BartelX
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#30 Jan 17 2011 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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How is it irrational to ask them to post information relevant to the changes they will be making?


It is irrational to act like your enjoyment of the game depends on said information. The updates won't come any faster regardless.

And if it doesn't, then it shouldn't matter either way. You like the game in that case, and that's what should logically matter, not what happens outside the game.


More baseless assumptions. Never once did I say that my enjoyment DEPENDS on said information. I said that I am getting bored with the monotony of the game, and that giving us some kind of timeline would be a nice way to tell us when to expect changes and what to expect. My enjoyment of the game is from playing the game. However, being able to know when things will change will allow me to better understand what the future of this game is about and the direction it is taking.

Liking the game =/= liking the manner in which they post information. The two are completely separate, and just because posting information won't make the update come faster, it WILL let me know what to expect from the update, the direction of the game, and the pace at which things will change. That is actually pretty significant in my eyes. Perhaps it isn't in yours, and that's perfectly fine. But don't try to call me out as irrational for wanting information, that's just a childish accusation.
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#31 Jan 17 2011 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I love the way some people think. It's free and if you don't like something, GTFO! What a great philosophy to have...


Y O U. A R E. N O T. B E I N G. F O R C E D. T O. P L A Y. You can actually stop playing the game, and write some suggestions on how to improve the game. I'm a huge FF fan, but I didnt play FFXII because it was ****.

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Wow, I didn't realize an opinion could be wrong. Oh by the way, what exactly did the Player's Poll tell us about what they are changing? Did they give a SINGLE specific as to what would change, or any timeline to these changes, or any concrete information?


Common sense. some people were born with, and it some werent. When was the last update? 21st, before christmas! So, SE probably didnt work until the... wait, arent there holidays right after new year? Oh right! hmmm... that must mean that the poll ended at the moment they started to work on ffxiv again. WHICH MEANS, that they are analyzing the results, so they know what to do next -> WHICH means that we will have to wait for at least another month for a new update BECAUSE ADDING CONTENT AND UPDATING a game actually consumes a lot of time.
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BartelX wrote:

How is it irrational to ask them to post information relevant to the changes they will be making?


http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=cb4dc09784bc24b4fde2e45de9f018ec5fb504d2

They know the game needs update, we know the game needs updates but they also want to post guides for beginners (which isn't a crime by the way) it's just people are so bitter and impatient they're letting the frustration blind them because if it was any other company they'd welcome any information with open arms.



The post you bring up shows what they are planning on changing, but it was also posted BEFORE the change in the dev team and also has no timeline as to when anything will come out. It says "First 2011 Version Update", that could anytime from now until whenever.

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If it was any other company, we wouldn't be having this issue.


I played lotro for over 2 years. Every single class had its own dev that regularly posted in the forums, explaining what was to come for the class and what changes to expect. The main page was updated CONSTANTLY with new information on when changes would happen and what they would be. They actually had feedback sessions with the players asking them what they wanted to see on a regular basis, and then came back with proposed changes from those sessions. I felt like the players actually had a voice in that game and that the devs actually listened, or even if they didn't, they at least posted as to why they weren't making certain changes or when other things would happen.

I'd love to see SE do something similar. The Player's Poll was a great idea, but until they post the results from it or what they plan to do based off of it, it is meaningless. I just don't understand why people can be content with a company that is so back and forth about information. Just give us regular progress reports, or tell us what you are doing to improve things. Don't throw up some posts about retainers that, while useful to someone just starting out, does absolutely nothing for the vast majority that have been playing since launch.
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#33 Jan 17 2011 at 12:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Metin wrote:
Mistress Theonehio wrote:
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How is it irrational to ask them to post information relevant to the changes they will be making?


http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=cb4dc09784bc24b4fde2e45de9f018ec5fb504d2

They know the game needs update, we know the game needs updates but they also want to post guides for beginners (which isn't a crime by the way) it's just people are so bitter and impatient they're letting the frustration blind them because if it was any other company they'd welcome any information with open arms.


thanks, thats what I was looking for to post here lol


Well if SE can make a "Bazaars - Part Deux" announcement, maybe they can also make a post confirming that their old announcement (made before the team that made it was removed from leading the project, by the way) is still in effect.
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#34 Jan 17 2011 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good
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CroBudi wrote:
BartelX wrote:
I love the way some people think. It's free and if you don't like something, GTFO! What a great philosophy to have...


Y O U. A R E. N O T. B E I N G. F O R C E D. T O. P L A Y. You can actually stop playing the game, and write some suggestions on how to improve the game. I'm a huge FF fan, but I didnt play FFXII because it was sh*t.


Go take a look at the feedback forum here, or the lodestone. I've written up COUNTLESS posts on improvements I'd like to see, or bugs and glitches I've encountered. I want this game to succeed.

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Wow, I didn't realize an opinion could be wrong. Oh by the way, what exactly did the Player's Poll tell us about what they are changing? Did they give a SINGLE specific as to what would change, or any timeline to these changes, or any concrete information?


Common sense. some people were born with, and it some werent... BECAUSE ADDING CONTENT AND UPDATING a game actually consumes a lot of time.


Wow, really? Adding content takes time? I would have never guessed that! Is there a reason they can't regularly tell us what they are working on? Is there a reason they are focusing on beginner guides to stuff 99% of people already know instead of telling us what's going on with the changes? To me, it seems like common sense that a company would let its players know what they are working on, especially for a game that has had so much adversity in its first 4 months, and has seen nothing but a dwindling playerbase to which they respond by posting information that is next to useless to the vast majority of players.

Yes, I realize the info is great for people just starting out. So why wasn't it available at launch? I mean, if they were too busy working on all the bug fixes and whatnot, shouldn't they be too busy now working on all the content? The truth is, this information should have been available months ago. For them to post this now says to me that they are just trying to stall as long as they can. Perhaps I'm wrong and tomorrow or later this week we'll see some big post on changes to come. I certainly hope so.
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#35 Jan 17 2011 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Well if SE can make a "Bazaars - Part Deux" announcement, maybe they can also make a post confirming that their old announcement (made before the team that made it was removed from leading the project, by the way) is still in effect.


They did actually, I think in the 4gamer interview. They said that they owe it to the players to fulfil the promises of the last dev team before making their own specific promises.
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#36 Jan 17 2011 at 12:33 PM Rating: Decent
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giving us some kind of timeline would be a nice way to tell us when to expect changes and what to expect.


We have already been given both- so what is the problem?

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it WILL let me know what to expect from the update, the direction of the game, and the pace at which things will change.


Why does it matter? What matters is that you play a game you like. Updates will come when they come- they shouldn't be that important since you seem to be enjoying the game as-is.

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I said that I am getting bored with the monotony of the game


So, you are starting to get bored with the game. That's all there is to it. Nobody forces you to play. Saying you want them to post info because you are getting bored is silly- just don't play if the timeline of an update is what's keeping you from getting bored in the first place. That' what the rational people do.
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#37 Jan 17 2011 at 12:36 PM Rating: Good
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PerrinofSylph, ****** Superhero wrote:
KaneKitty wrote:
Well if SE can make a "Bazaars - Part Deux" announcement, maybe they can also make a post confirming that their old announcement (made before the team that made it was removed from leading the project, by the way) is still in effect.


They did actually, I think in the 4gamer interview. They said that they owe it to the players to fulfil the promises of the last dev team before making their own specific promises.


On Lodestone, I meant; somehow it seems less official, and they less accountable, when all we get is a fan-translation of an interview never even directed at the non-Japanese playerbase...
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#38 Jan 17 2011 at 12:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Hyanmen wrote:
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giving us some kind of timeline would be a nice way to tell us when to expect changes and what to expect.


We have already been given both- so what is the problem?

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it WILL let me know what to expect from the update, the direction of the game, and the pace at which things will change.


Why does it matter? What matters is that you play a game you like. Updates will come when they come- they shouldn't be that important since you seem to be enjoying the game as-is.

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I said that I am getting bored with the monotony of the game


So, you are starting to get bored with the game. That's all there is to it. Nobody forces you to play. Saying you want them to post info because you are getting bored is silly- just don't play if the timeline of an update is what's keeping you from getting bored in the first place. That' what the rational people do.


Actually no, what a rational person does is ask questions and challenge things they don't agree with. A mindless sheep will just sit back and wait, hoping for the best.

And the timeline we were given was released before the November/December patches, before the new dev team, before the player's poll, before the postponing of PS3 launch... there are a LOT of factors that could and HAVE clearly changed the direction of this game since then.

edit: just so you're aware, I have not been the one rating you down hyan. It seems someone might be karma camping you and I'd advise you to talk to an admin if it continues.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 1:43pm by BartelX
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#39 Jan 17 2011 at 12:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually, I saw your edit to the first post

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Ok, perhaps this was a bit of a knee-jerk reaction. It's just getting very frustrating seeing these posts coming before any info on updates, and every time I see them my faith in SE's gets shaken just a little bit more. Hopefully they can come through with something good soon.


That sounds more rational. Why do you always ninja-edit your posts to trick me, lol D:

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And the timeline we were given was released before the November/December patches, before the new dev team, before the player's poll, before the postponing of PS3 launch... there are a LOT of factors that could and HAVE clearly changed the direction of this game since then.


Well, they have said that they need to get the stuff that was promised out before doing anything else, and some of those things were already in development in November, making scrapping them so suddenly a silly move really. I wouldn't say their earlier plan was bad at all either.

It's all in there, regardless. And until someone changes it, the ETA is still March (3 months after Dec. patch).
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#40 Jan 17 2011 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
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Hyanmen wrote:
Common sense. some people were born with, and it some werent.


Lmao, yeah I tend to edit a LOT. I basically just write whatever I feel initially, and sometimes it comes off in a way that I don't really intend, so I try and edit if I re-read it and see mistakes in my thought process or major grammatical issues. =P
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