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#1 Jan 17 2011 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
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So it's more than a month since the december update, and we still received no information on the elusive January update that was supposed to add Companys and stuff.

All we got was a lame 1-item fix that took the servers down for all players (after a month of no updates or news) to fix an issue with crafting leves. (It needed to be fixed, but when its the only update in 30 days it's a major letdown).


In the mean time however we can speculate on how cool our Artifact armor is going to be when its finally added :D

Anyways I dug into the old articles to give people some hope of what they should be announcing soon:
This is basically a "stop analyzing the survey and push the update you already promised us" message :)


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Establishment of In-Game Communities

The first version update of 2011 will introduce what are known as "companies," a special type of linkshell with more group-oriented progression and goals.

Once estbalished, companies will be able to work towards acquiring their own communal assets, such as buildings that can serve as headquarters, or ships that can be used to access multiplayer content. The system will provide concrete benefits to players who align themselves with a company, as well as motivate already established companies to seek out new recruits. In essence, the focus will be on providing new, innovative content for all players to enjoy. The FINAL FANTASY XIV Lodestone will also offer a number of online services covering both companies and linkshells.


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Together with the aforementioned improvements to gameplay, the availability of "goal-oriented" content and items, and the need for comprehensive and clear tutorials are issues that will be immediately addressed.



First 2011 Update:
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The addition of new guildleves
Adjustments to existing guildleves
The addition of new main scenario quests
The addition of new class quests
The addition of new tutorial quests
Adjustments to existing tutorials


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Further adjustments to classes
Further adjustments to combat balance
The further differentiation of actions to enhance class identities
Adjustments to the effect of various parameters
Adjustments to enemy population and territory
The addition of notorious monsters (NMs)
The addition of new battle content
The addition of notorious monster-related battle content
The addition of hamlet defense battles
The addition of item exchange quests
The addition of graphic displays to better clarify the effective ranges of actions
The addition of countdown timers on status icons
The addition of an "/assist" text command


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Further adjustments to existing synthesis recipes
The addition of new synthesis recipes
Further improvements to synthesis controls
The addition of a reference list that contains all previously used recipes
Improvements to repair controls
A reduction of the number of commands necessary to begin repairs
The addition of a manual sort function for items
The addition of a gameplay feature that determines the quality of materials obtained from battle and gathering


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Further adjustments to retainers
An increase in retainer inventory capacity
An increase in the number of items that can be placed in a retainer's bazaar
A fix assuring that retainers do not leave their bazaar locations after server maintenance
The addition of a sale/purchase history
Functionality changes to the "buying" feature
The addition of a delivery service


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Changes to main menu display format
Changes to inventory list display format
Improvements to various user-interface layouts
Improvements to the Interactions menu
The addition of a help text window
The reorganization of on-screen information
The reformatting of existing widgets, allowing for access of multiple windows at the same time
Improvements to Actions & Traits menu response time
Improvements to mouse and keyboard controls
Improvements to character controls
The addition of drag and drop functionality
The addition of mouseover popup help text
The addition of right-click menus
The addition of a feature that will allow the cutting and pasting of macro buttons from the macro palette


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The addition of "companies" (player-run guilds)
The addition of company-owned ships
The addition of company-owned buildings
Improvements to existing linkshell features
The addition of an in-game/Lodestone mail feature
The addition of new search features


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The addition of player titles


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The addition of new linkshell page features
The addition of a company page
The addition of a linkshell and company search feature
An expansion of viewable character information
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#2 Jan 17 2011 at 12:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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I just want to point out 1 inacuracy you posted

it was never called the "January" update, it was the early 2011 update.

we are not guarenteed to get it in january, just early in 2011(yes i know january is early, but you get my point)
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Actually if you look in other articles they do reference January update several times.
In the same article they say "The November, December, and January" update. They page I pulled all the data from also said January.
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When did they say this would be in January? I read "Early 2011" and "Before the PS3 release in March" and "Accompanying the PS3 launch in March." So I don't think I've ever read January unless I missed a topic somewhere.
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Eadieni wrote:
Actually if you look in other articles they do reference January update several times.
In the same article they say "The November, December, and January" update. They page I pulled all the data from also said January.



Lodestone wrote:
This Topics post will be detailing the content included in the large-scale version updates scheduled for release in the months of November and December. In addition, content slated for release in future version updates will also be introduced


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All of the additions and changes mentioned above are currently in the final stages of development, and we are optimistic that they will be implemented in the version updates of November, December, and early 2011. Beyond those listed here, there are still numerous other features being planned. More information on these will be released in the future as details become available.
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I could have sworn I saw January somewhere myself. Perhaps my memory is fuzzy.
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#7 Jan 17 2011 at 12:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Well part of the reason I posted this was, I see a lot of forum requests from people requesting features they already told us are on the way :)

It's almost hard to believe they told us this stuff is coming, I think we all tuned out the "2011" content and looked at november/december since they told us this a long time ago.
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I remember seeing January listed, but that was work under the old team, its quite possible the new team is going to be altering their original January update, adding or subtracting things.
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January update that was supposed to add Companys and stuff.


It was always supposed to be on MARCH. Not once has it been said that the update would be on January. On more than one occasion have the developers said they will release updates on a 3 month basis, while the end of the year was only an exception.

I almost caps lock'd that post. sh*t like this gives me a headache.

THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY MENTION OF JANUARY. God **** it.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 9:38pm by Hyanmen
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#10 Jan 17 2011 at 12:42 PM Rating: Good
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This page does in fact say "First 2011 update" and "Early 2011 update".

I could have sworn it used to say January, but I've already admitted that I could be remembering incorrectly.
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Hyanmen wrote:
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January update that was supposed to add Companys and stuff.


It was always supposed to be on MARCH. Not once has it been said that the update would be on January. On more than one occasion have the developers said they will release updates on a 3 month basis, while the end of the year was only an exception.

I almost caps lock'd that post. sh*t like this gives me a headache.

THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY MENTION OF JANUARY. God **** it.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 9:38pm by Hyanmen


If they don't provide some content for the remaining players before March, this game will be over.
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The mistake you all are making in thinking january is very common

in every game i played people do this


early 2011 = january
febuary = febuary 1st at 12:01am
etc etc



the announcements ALWAYS said early 2011 alot of people said january though when interpreting it, which is where the misunderstanding comes from
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Again

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On more than one occasion have the developers said they will release updates on a 3 month basis, while the end of the year was only an exception.


January wouldn't make any sense no matter how you try to slice and dice it.

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If they don't provide some content for the remaining players before March, this game will be over.


If people haven't left at this point, they won't leave before March.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 9:45pm by Hyanmen
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I'm taking that Tanaka list with a grain of salt. There will be changes...but what...who knows now. Adding and trying to improve existing items that are not favorable is not how they are going to get people to come back. There are generic items on the list that will probably happen...but the specific Tanaka regime ideas...not so much.

I'm expecting much bigger and better things to come.

Oh...and if I am right...we won't be seeing much of anything anytime soon....besides information.


Edited, Jan 17th 2011 1:48pm by Simool
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
This page does in fact say "First 2011 update" and "Early 2011 update".

I could have sworn it used to say January, but I've already admitted that I could be remembering incorrectly.


You might be. But I wouldn't put it past SE to 'fudge the facts' either.

Case in point, in October or November they laid out in a Q&A page a spreadsheet conveying when each and every job/story quest was from Rank 1 to 50, at what Rank new leves were unlocked, and the like.

Curiously, they hid that Q&A around a month or so later, even though nothing pertinent had changed from that Q&A, much less anything new being added.

So, you never know. They could have subtly tweaked a thing here or there. They were also emphatic on the next update being "in preparation of the Playstation 3 release", which was going to be in March. But now that the PS3 release has been put on indefinite hold, well ... who knows?

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 1:57pm by Satisiun
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Also I never heard January. Early 2011

Hamlet defense caught my eye, could this be a kind of Behest meets Aht Urgan?

The changes to buying selling seem to be the kind of slow progression to AH that an early economy needs to see and not a sudden implementation as I have said before this needs to be implemented seemlessly not a sudden smack.

Also all the companies stuff ... I wanna know more.
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Really? You're that upset over this?


Yep. Being all ****** to them for no reason and accusing them of something they haven't even said makes me cranky.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 9:53pm by Hyanmen
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Sounds like SE is a fan of Valve Time.
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Hyanmen wrote:
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Really? You're that upset over this?


Yep. Being all ****** to them for no reason and accusing them of something they haven't even said makes me cranky.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 9:53pm by Hyanmen

Guess that's why we have a karma system, to stop people like you.


Anyways the Hamlet Defense I think are the little villas, the two in each nation. You know defending those little towns.

Just my guess though.
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Guess that's why we have a karma system, to stop people like you.


Yes, thinking about a forum without the posters being all ****** to SE for no reason and accusing them of something they haven't even said makes me shiver in fear. Please keep doing the good work as always.
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Hyanmen wrote:
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Guess that's why we have a karma system, to stop people like you.


Yes, thinking about a forum without the posters being all ****** to SE for no reason and accusing them of something they haven't even said makes me shiver in fear. Please keep doing the good work as always.


Like making a ****** game that let down masses of fans XD
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Satisiun wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
This page does in fact say "First 2011 update" and "Early 2011 update".

I could have sworn it used to say January, but I've already admitted that I could be remembering incorrectly.


You might be. But I wouldn't put it past SE to 'fudge the facts' either.

Case in point, in October or November they laid out in a Q&A page a spreadsheet conveying when each and every job/story quest was from Rank 1 to 50, at what Rank new leves were unlocked, and the like.

Curiously, they hid that Q&A around a month or so later, even though nothing pertinent had changed from that Q&A, much less anything new being added.

So, you never know. They could have subtly tweaked a thing here or there. They were also emphatic on the next update being "in preparation of the Playstation 3 release", which was going to be in March. But now that the PS3 release has been put on indefinite hold, well ... who knows?

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 1:57pm by Satisiun


I remember seeing this chart too, but haven't been able to find it since. Can you find a link?
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Satisiun wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
This page does in fact say "First 2011 update" and "Early 2011 update".

I could have sworn it used to say January, but I've already admitted that I could be remembering incorrectly.


You might be. But I wouldn't put it past SE to 'fudge the facts' either.

Case in point, in October or November they laid out in a Q&A page a spreadsheet conveying when each and every job/story quest was from Rank 1 to 50, at what Rank new leves were unlocked, and the like.

Curiously, they hid that Q&A around a month or so later, even though nothing pertinent had changed from that Q&A, much less anything new being added.

So, you never know. They could have subtly tweaked a thing here or there. They were also emphatic on the next update being "in preparation of the Playstation 3 release", which was going to be in March. But now that the PS3 release has been put on indefinite hold, well ... who knows?

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 1:57pm by Satisiun


I remember seeing this chart too, but haven't been able to find it since. Can you find a link?


Click on the words "This Page" in the post that was quoted in the post you quoted. I linked the chart.
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
superdupernuker wrote:
Satisiun wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
This page does in fact say "First 2011 update" and "Early 2011 update".

I could have sworn it used to say January, but I've already admitted that I could be remembering incorrectly.


You might be. But I wouldn't put it past SE to 'fudge the facts' either.

Case in point, in October or November they laid out in a Q&A page a spreadsheet conveying when each and every job/story quest was from Rank 1 to 50, at what Rank new leves were unlocked, and the like.

Curiously, they hid that Q&A around a month or so later, even though nothing pertinent had changed from that Q&A, much less anything new being added.

So, you never know. They could have subtly tweaked a thing here or there. They were also emphatic on the next update being "in preparation of the Playstation 3 release", which was going to be in March. But now that the PS3 release has been put on indefinite hold, well ... who knows?

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 1:57pm by Satisiun


I remember seeing this chart too, but haven't been able to find it since. Can you find a link?


Click on the words "This Page" in the post that was quoted in the post you quoted. I linked the chart.


That's not the chart we're referring to.
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superdupernuker wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
superdupernuker wrote:
Satisiun wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
This page does in fact say "First 2011 update" and "Early 2011 update".

I could have sworn it used to say January, but I've already admitted that I could be remembering incorrectly.


You might be. But I wouldn't put it past SE to 'fudge the facts' either.

Case in point, in October or November they laid out in a Q&A page a spreadsheet conveying when each and every job/story quest was from Rank 1 to 50, at what Rank new leves were unlocked, and the like.

Curiously, they hid that Q&A around a month or so later, even though nothing pertinent had changed from that Q&A, much less anything new being added.

So, you never know. They could have subtly tweaked a thing here or there. They were also emphatic on the next update being "in preparation of the Playstation 3 release", which was going to be in March. But now that the PS3 release has been put on indefinite hold, well ... who knows?

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 1:57pm by Satisiun


I remember seeing this chart too, but haven't been able to find it since. Can you find a link?


Click on the words "This Page" in the post that was quoted in the post you quoted. I linked the chart.


That's not the chart we're referring to.


Oh, okay, I re-read it and I see how I misunderstood based on the quote block; I thought you were referring to the planned updates, not the spreadsheet. I never saw the spreadsheet myself.
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I think they are in a sticky situation:

1. Yoshida says that they want to regain our trust by keeping promises
2. New team comes in and does not want to keep those promises because they want to change things to make the game better. Yoshida in many ways agrees.
3. So Yoshida puts together the poll to help determine what kind of fallout will be expected if the do indeed not live up the the Tanaka development list of future updates based on public feedback.
4. Yoshida will probably have to show some of the poll data to the public in order to reduce the fallout when promises are not kept and the new team removes certain aspects of the game and replaces them is something new.


Just a scenario I think may be unfolding...


Bottom line...I think this may take awhile. More than 6 months easy.
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If they don't provide some content for the remaining players before March, this game will be over.

The most accurate post in this thread so far. The game is already a total snore fest, content needs to be added as soon as possible.

So all the side quests, story quests, scenario quests, class quests, etc. Just more stuff to do other than grind leves and then grind some more. The "game" feels more like work than a game when I log in.
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I remember seeing this chart too, but haven't been able to find it since. Can you find a link?

I think the chart you're referring to is here, look under "Maps and Things."

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 4:33pm by dodokins

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I think they are in a sticky situation:

1. Yoshida says that they want to regain our trust by keeping promises
2. New team comes in and does not want to keep those promises because they want to change things to make the game better. Yoshida in many ways agrees.
3. So Yoshida puts together the poll to help determine what kind of fallout will be expected if the do indeed not live up the the Tanaka development list of future updates based on public feedback.
4. Yoshida will probably have to show some of the poll data to the public in order to reduce the fallout when promises are not kept and the new team removes certain aspects of the game and replaces them is something new.


The impression that I took away from the 4Gamer interview was that he intended to keep his promises, his main one being that he vows to regain player trust and make a better game; I don't think Tanaka's plans factor into that at all.
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The impression that I took away from the 4Gamer interview was that he intended to keep his promises, his main one being that he vows to regain player trust and make a better game; I don't think Tanaka's plans factor into that at all.


I don't think the community looks at them like that. It's just "SE" and "SE's promises" as far as they're concerned.

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I have to vote on some ninja-edits.
I know I saw January in some of the pre-Dec announcements. So sure that I recognized when it changed over to a general "early-2011".
I actively sought out the announcements about Nov-Dec details to verify the Jan list and it was nowhere to be found anymore.
I'm not crazy nor prone to imagining things I haven't actually seen as being real.
There was some ninja redaction, and it's not all that surprising. SE has done a few of these things to stem the flow of blood (removed the ability to see the current population, reworded some of the Nov/Dec release details, etc.) without metioning there was a change, and/or why.
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I know I saw January in some of the pre-Dec announcements.


They have been talking about 3 month update schedules since last Summer. No, you did not see January anywhere in there.
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Quanta wrote:
Simool wrote:
I think they are in a sticky situation:

1. Yoshida says that they want to regain our trust by keeping promises
2. New team comes in and does not want to keep those promises because they want to change things to make the game better. Yoshida in many ways agrees.
3. So Yoshida puts together the poll to help determine what kind of fallout will be expected if the do indeed not live up the the Tanaka development list of future updates based on public feedback.
4. Yoshida will probably have to show some of the poll data to the public in order to reduce the fallout when promises are not kept and the new team removes certain aspects of the game and replaces them is something new.


The impression that I took away from the 4Gamer interview was that he intended to keep his promises, his main one being that he vows to regain player trust and make a better game; I don't think Tanaka's plans factor into that at all.


Yoshida: Well, as for changes you can see in-game, there are things that were promised to players by the previous team and those have been given priority. We want to stand by those promises. After that, we’ll organize the information we have, look deep into the technological issues we have, and then move on to the next step. I also want to have more conversations with the players. To get that ball going, I’ll be posting another message on January 1st. I hope people look forward to it.

So this statement...he himself is not promising anything, and sounds like he is not about to follow any previous blueprint without getting more feedback. His message on the 1st was..."Please...someone, give me a road map because I do not like the road we are on."

Again...big changes are coming. But not what we were originally told.
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I have to vote on some ninja-edits.
I know I saw January in some of the pre-Dec announcements. So sure that I recognized when it changed over to a general "early-2011".
I actively sought out the announcements about Nov-Dec details to verify the Jan list and it was nowhere to be found anymore.
I'm not crazy nor prone to imagining things I haven't actually seen as being real.
There was some ninja redaction, and it's not all that surprising. SE has done a few of these things to stem the flow of blood (removed the ability to see the current population, reworded some of the Nov/Dec release details, etc.) without metioning there was a change, and/or why.


Yeah see I remember seeing somewhere mentioning they were trying to get the early 2011 stuff done by the end of january. Not that they specifically said it would be, but that they were going to try. I googled it for 10 minutes, didn't find anything, and then stopped caring.
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
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Satisiun wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
This page does in fact say "First 2011 update" and "Early 2011 update".

I could have sworn it used to say January, but I've already admitted that I could be remembering incorrectly.


You might be. But I wouldn't put it past SE to 'fudge the facts' either.

Case in point, in October or November they laid out in a Q&A page a spreadsheet conveying when each and every job/story quest was from Rank 1 to 50, at what Rank new leves were unlocked, and the like.

Curiously, they hid that Q&A around a month or so later, even though nothing pertinent had changed from that Q&A, much less anything new being added.

So, you never know. They could have subtly tweaked a thing here or there. They were also emphatic on the next update being "in preparation of the Playstation 3 release", which was going to be in March. But now that the PS3 release has been put on indefinite hold, well ... who knows?

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 1:57pm by Satisiun


I remember seeing this chart too, but haven't been able to find it since. Can you find a link?


Click on the words "This Page" in the post that was quoted in the post you quoted. I linked the chart.


That's not the chart we're referring to.


Oh, okay, I re-read it and I see how I misunderstood based on the quote block; I thought you were referring to the planned updates, not the spreadsheet. I never saw the spreadsheet myself.


Not sure if this got linked yet but HERE And just a word of advice for the original poster looking for the chart, SE didn't "Hide" the chart a month later, it was bumped off the page for newer posts. Try clicking the "Past Topics" button next time.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 2:53pm by Manosuke
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Thanks to dodokins and Manosuke for posting that. I had actually looked at the page but hadn't scrolled all the way to the bottom.
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My inner Troll is growing day by day, and SE is doing nothing to fix this.

Honestly, Ive completely lost hope that S.E. can pull this game out of the gutter.

If it weren't free, I'd have long since forgot about this game out of pure spite.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 2:40pm by Daggit
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Manosuke the Irrelevant wrote:
Not sure if this got linked yet but HERE And just a word of advice for the original poster looking for the chart, SE didn't "Hide" the chart a month later, it was bumped off the page for newer posts. Try clicking the "Past Topics" button next time.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 2:53pm by Manosuke


I appreciate your words of advice, wise Guru, however there was a thread some time back where someone else also took note of the same, suspiciously missing Lodestone article. I even recall someone mentioning the same curious observation that, for whatever reason back then, it had been removed from being able to be found by browsing "Past Topics". Heck, I even remember checking myself back then.

I also know how to use the "Past Topics" button. In the future, if I made any sort of mistake, I'd kindly ask you to bring it up in a way that doesn't come off so haughtily, or as an affront to my perceived ignorance from your perspective.

In fact, here is the very thread I remembered, and frankly, to hold me to the expectation of knowing that they, at some point, added it back for some reason as if I were clairvoyant, seems rather unfair:

http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=152&mid=1291309708179725096&page=1

I think I deserve an apology, good sir or madam, since my prior statement had indeed been accurate based off of past evidence.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 6:00pm by Satisiun
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#40 Jan 17 2011 at 5:36 PM Rating: Good
Satisiun wrote:
Manosuke the Irrelevant wrote:
Not sure if this got linked yet but HERE And just a word of advice for the original poster looking for the chart, SE didn't "Hide" the chart a month later, it was bumped off the page for newer posts. Try clicking the "Past Topics" button next time.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 2:53pm by Manosuke


I appreciate your words of advice, wise Guru, however there was a thread some time back where someone else also took note of the same, suspiciously missing Lodestone article. I even recall someone mentioning the same curious observation that, for whatever reason back then, it had been removed from being able to be found by browsing "Past Topics". Heck, I even remember checking myself back then.

I also know how to use the "Past Topics" button. In the future, if I made any sort of mistake, I'd kindly ask you to bring it up in a way that doesn't come off so haughtily, or as an affront to my perceived ignorance from your perspective.

In fact, here is the very thread I remembered, and frankly, to hold me to the expectation of knowing that they, at some point, added it back for some reason as if I were clairvoyant, seems rather unfair:

...

I think I deserve an apology, good sir or madam, since my prior statement had indeed been accurate based off of past evidence.


First off the topics never get removed, they get bumped off the first page as was noted by someone replying with the link to the post that they got by clicking the past topics button a whopping 23 minutes later. Secondly I apologize for expecting a forum poster, Lodestone Frequenter, MMO Player and or internet user in general to understand the basic features of browsing a Blog (essentially the lodestone page is a news blog for SE). It's a pretty high expectation I know I will try to remember that next time.
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Manosuke the Irrelevant wrote:
First off the topics never get removed, they get bumped off the first page as was noted by someone replying with the link to the post that they got by clicking the past topics button a whopping 23 minutes later. Secondly I apologize for expecting a forum poster, Lodestone Frequenter, MMO Player and or internet user in general to understand the basic features of browsing a Blog (essentially the lodestone page is a news blog for SE). It's a pretty high expectation I know I will try to remember that next time.


I see.

Well. I am sorry you feel that way, since the evidence back then, as well as other people also finding the post on the Lodestone missing, seem to point to that very Lodestone entry indeed being missing for an undetermined period of time. Like I said, I do indeed remember looking for it myself back then and finding the very same conundrum, wherein for some reason, it had been removed from the archives of topics. Hence why, frankly, I saw no reason to have to go back and check if they added it back.

Why was it gone for that time, then placed back on the list of archived previous topics? Who knows? Maybe they took their time in fixing an erroneous error. Or maybe it was a technical issue which went unnoticed for some reason, only to be rectified. Whatever the case, I've given you evidence, and I find your attitude depressing.

If you don't wish to believe me, and continue to use a haughty attitude assaulting my intelligence, well, that's unfortunate. But I respect your right to do so.
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#42 Jan 17 2011 at 6:20 PM Rating: Good
Ok sarcasm off for this one, seeing as I am unsure if you are trolling or actually don't understand.

maseiko Posted at 10:08 wrote:
There was a link on the site awhile back that had a chart/table that showed when you could do quests. I have been unable to find aforementioned chart/table and if someone could post the link I'd be very appreciative. Sorry to clutter the forums with a request like this, but I found it very helpful.


seteboshatter Posted at 10:36 wrote:
as well as the link to the original zam post on this topic.

http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=152&mid=1288020293234052765&howmany=50


The issue was the title of the blog post on Lodestone was unrelated to the content you were looking for and thus was likely glossed over in a skim of the past topics page.

The link to the actual lodestone page (albeit via a zam news post) was supplied exactly 28 minutes (someone linked a chart on Zam in 23) after the OP. Your example thread implies what I was trying to state, that most people expect to be hand fed information rather than go out and find it themselves, which is unfortunate especially when it only requires going through some old blog posts in this case. I have a really good friend that I gave a hard time about this, the end result being he learned to find information for himself, became more self sufficient and wasn't relying on other people for tertiary information as much. It's an important life skill especially for anyone pursuing post secondary education. I am not saying that it is wrong to ask for information but that you should legitimately try to find the information on your own first. Especially in a game like this where so many people state speculations as proven fact it becomes a major issue as I am sure many will agree.


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Manosuke the Irrelevant wrote:
Ok sarcasm off for this one, seeing as I am unsure if you are trolling or actually don't understand.

maseiko Posted at 10:08 wrote:
There was a link on the site awhile back that had a chart/table that showed when you could do quests. I have been unable to find aforementioned chart/table and if someone could post the link I'd be very appreciative. Sorry to clutter the forums with a request like this, but I found it very helpful.


seteboshatter Posted at 10:36 wrote:
as well as the link to the original zam post on this topic.

http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=152&mid=1288020293234052765&howmany=50


The issue was the title of the blog post on Lodestone was unrelated to the content you were looking for and thus was likely glossed over in a skim of the past topics page.

The link to the actual lodestone page (albeit via a zam news post) was supplied exactly 28 minutes (someone linked a chart on Zam in 23) after the OP. Your example thread implies what I was trying to state, that most people expect to be hand fed information rather than go out and find it themselves, which is unfortunate especially when it only requires going through some old blog posts in this case. I have a really good friend that I gave a hard time about this, the end result being he learned to find information for himself, became more self sufficient and wasn't relying on other people for tertiary information as much. It's an important life skill especially for anyone pursuing post secondary education. I am not saying that it is wrong to ask for information but that you should legitimately try to find the information on your own first. Especially in a game like this where so many people state speculations as proven fact it becomes a major issue as I am sure many will agree.


Edited, Jan 17th 2011 5:22pm by Manosuke



I think what we're having here is a failure to communicate, to coin a cliche phrase. And I probably could have been more clear in what I was saying.

The post was never removed from existence on the Lodestone, I should have been more specific about that. What was removed was its existence in the archived past topics, as in the list you get when you pick the months to carouse on the Lodestone. Myself, as well as others in that thread I linked to, each had the same problem: when we looked through the archives, the specific Lodestone entry which linked to it was missing from the archived posts.

Like I said, I likely could have been more clear. The entry itself was never outright purged or removed, as was evident by the way you could still get to it from threads on places such as ZAM already linking specifically to that Lodestone entry. If you did not have the link, or knew of a thread which had the link, you could not.

At some point, and who knows when, between when it could not be found by browsing the Lodestone archives and now, it was put back in to the list of archived posts. Again, I don't know why. I doubt anyone here does, but I would assume (a) they did it to fix an error and it took them some time to add it back to the Lodestone archive list, or (b) there was a glitch. They happen. Either way, all I was aiming to point out was that it is quite possible that they took the steps to remove it from their list of archived topics, so it wouldn't be impossible to believe other stuff could be redacted, changed, fudged with, or whatever. I never knew it was added back to the actual list of previous topics on the Lodestone after that.

And that's really all there is to it, I think. Or so I hope.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 7:48pm by Satisiun
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I don't think many people actually expected an update for January since they didn't give us a heads up before hand(we would have heard about it a week or 2 before this). Mostly we just want some information. I know half a dozen people who quit logging in just because of the possibility of a character wipe. That is just to serious of a topic to be left in the air as it is now. That plus the **** storm of other problems.. Yeah its a no brainer why people are upset and anxious for an update.I have been defending the game since beta but if SE doesnt make a huge turnaround by march im out and i know many others are feeling the same way with another mmo coming out soon. end.
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January update that was supposed to add Companys and stuff.


It was always supposed to be on MARCH. Not once has it been said that the update would be on January. On more than one occasion have the developers said they will release updates on a 3 month basis, while the end of the year was only an exception.

I almost caps lock'd that post. sh*t like this gives me a headache.

THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY MENTION OF JANUARY. God **** it.

Edited, Jan 17th 2011 9:38pm by Hyanmen



I would prefer if it happened in March, but if it happened on March I would be just as satisfied.
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