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#1 Jan 19 2011 at 10:23 PM Rating: Default
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Behest needs a min level to participate based on which behest you are signing up for. To my knowledge SP is calculated based on the lowest rank in the group. I'm sick and tired of doing r30 behests at horizon and getting awful SP because some dude decided to level his god damned r10 job there when he could be getting a lot more SP from behests at camp black brush.

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#2 Jan 19 2011 at 11:09 PM Rating: Good
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lowest doesnt determine it

the level difference between everyone does


so people who are low and high for them are actualy both hurting the behest SP
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#3 Jan 19 2011 at 11:25 PM Rating: Good
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Needs a min and a max level. Say +- 5.

I'll use Horizon as an example, players 15 through 25.

I notice a lot of rank 35+ joining the behest there and thats gotta be low SP for them ...
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#4 Jan 20 2011 at 6:18 AM Rating: Decent
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I second that idea. Though I'd go for wider range, eg 20-40 for a level 30 one, so that an LS group of friends can all play together.
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I agree on a minimum rank I personally would take -2/3 to +10, so 17/18 to 30 for Horizon behest for example.

lightsome wrote:
I second that idea. Though I'd go for wider range, eg 20-40 for a level 30 one, so that an LS group of friends can all play together.


a 20 rank gap is too big imo. this was annoying at horizon we had a rank 11-31 group, it didnt go well.
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#6 Jan 20 2011 at 7:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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From Lodestone Comprehensive Version Update Details (11/25/2010)

The rank range that allows for bonus skill and experience point within a party has been expanded from ±5 to +5/-10.
Ex. In a party of three players, ranks 10, 15, and 20, the rank 10 player receives bonuses equivalent to that of a two-person party, as only one of the other players is within the rank range. From the perspectives of the rank 15 and 20 players, however, both of the other two party members fall within the rank range. They will therefore both receive bonuses equivalent to a three-person party.
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#7 Jan 20 2011 at 7:35 AM Rating: Good
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Eadieni wrote:
Needs a min and a max level. Say +- 5.

I'll use Horizon as an example, players 15 through 25.

I notice a lot of rank 35+ joining the behest there and thats gotta be low SP for them ...


I think +-5 is a good idea. Horizon 15-25 Nanawa 25-35 same for Wells. Add autogroup for behest as well. Avoid the cluster$%^& that is building the behest party. As far as LS's doing it together I sympathize but, with people leveling on behest and leve's, forcing an out of whack level range just hurts everyone. My $.02

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From Lodestone Comprehensive Version Update Details (11/25/2010)

The rank range that allows for bonus skill and experience point within a party has been expanded from ±5 to +5/-10.
Ex. In a party of three players, ranks 10, 15, and 20, the rank 10 player receives bonuses equivalent to that of a two-person party, as only one of the other players is within the rank range. From the perspectives of the rank 15 and 20 players, however, both of the other two party members fall within the rank range. They will therefore both receive bonuses equivalent to a three-person party.


Well this expands the range but, still like to see a max cap as well.

Edited, Jan 20th 2011 8:38am by NoNametsu

Edited, Jan 20th 2011 8:40am by NoNametsu
#8 Jan 20 2011 at 7:37 AM Rating: Good
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As I understand it (as per the SE quote above), it's more to do with who is in YOUR -10/+5 rank range rather than people of low rank joining - Party 'bonus' is personal.

I.E. if a lot of 'low ranked' people partied for Behest, they should see relatively good SP, if they were all in the -10/+5 range.

But yes if there were a Min &/or Max rank applied, it would 'force' people into the best 'range bracket'.

Edited, Jan 20th 2011 8:55am by boshed
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#9 Jan 20 2011 at 4:20 PM Rating: Decent
You know I would prefer scaling DOWN to a certain level, but not full exclusion.
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#10 Jan 20 2011 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
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I guess the whole reason for this is to prevent PLing people, but it seems to be hurting the people who are at the appropriate range the most. I'd rather they just limit behests to the level range you're supposed to be when you do it. I would suggest they base it on the target level, and just lower SP the further you get away from it, but that still allows a couple 50s to PL their friends.
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KujaKoF wrote:
I guess the whole reason for this is to prevent PLing people, but it seems to be hurting the people who are at the appropriate range the most. I'd rather they just limit behests to the level range you're supposed to be when you do it. I would suggest they base it on the target level, and just lower SP the further you get away from it, but that still allows a couple 50s to PL their friends.


Its unbelieveable the ammount of people who camp behest at horizon. Implementing a rank range would make the player population more spread throughout more areas as there are many which are completely empty when behest starts.
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#12 Jan 20 2011 at 5:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Excluding people from being allowed to join a behest isn't stopping them from doing behest really.
It's stopping them from joining a behest that's way too far above or below their level and thus gimping everyone else who is in range. Thus encouraging them to join behest at the right place for them, and probably getting them more exp. Sometimes idiot-proofing something helps out everyone, including the idiot.

A rank 35 has no business doing behest at horizon because he's adding 15 levels to what the recommended level is and probably only getting 40 exp himself, while making sure nobody else is getting 150 a kill.

Whenever we have a behest with 10 players in level range, on my rank 20s I get about 150-200 a kill, but when a rank 35 joins the SP drops to about 40-60.

Edited, Jan 20th 2011 6:39pm by Eadieni
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#13 Jan 24 2011 at 8:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok after today....i must say we really need a min level

sitting at cedarwood with a bunch of level 15s......and they are whining cuz the 30s belong at the level 40 behests and talking trash up and down about how if we form 2 parties so that they dont leech off us and penalize our SP, they will change to their 50s and "hold" a mob the whole 30 minutes so we dont get to finish(can we say bannable offense)


there really needs to be a min level on behest if im gonna have to deal with this crap for the weeks they are in this range now
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#14 Jan 24 2011 at 9:06 PM Rating: Good
MajidahSihaam wrote:
Behest needs a min level to participate based on which behest you are signing up for. To my knowledge SP is calculated based on the lowest rank in the group. I'm sick and tired of doing r30 behests at horizon and getting awful SP because some dude decided to level his god damned r10 job there when he could be getting a lot more SP from behests at camp black brush.

/endrant


Apparently you missed everyone telling you this when you posted it in the feedback forum last week, but Horizon is a R20 camp with a R20 behest, you are as much a problem if not more so than the people at R10 doing behests there at R30, Atleast those R10 people with be in the proper range in an hour or so. Go to Cedarwood, Humblehearth, Nine Ivies those are actually R30 behests. In addition to that SP is calculated individually by your rank VS monster rank * what ever tier of party bonus you get, so by being really high level you are actually detracting from more people's SP by being out of the +5 range than the R10 people are as they are more likely to fall within the -10 range. for other people and hurt themselves by not being within their own +5 range.
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#15MajidahSihaam, Posted: Jan 24 2011 at 9:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I posted it twice at the same time, buddy. Once for SE feedback, once for discussion here.
#16 Jan 24 2011 at 9:16 PM Rating: Good
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MajidahSihaam wrote:
Manosuke the Irrelevant wrote:
MajidahSihaam wrote:
Behest needs a min level to participate based on which behest you are signing up for. To my knowledge SP is calculated based on the lowest rank in the group. I'm sick and tired of doing r30 behests at horizon and getting awful SP because some dude decided to level his god damned r10 job there when he could be getting a lot more SP from behests at camp black brush.

/endrant


Apparently you missed everyone telling you this when you posted it in the feedback forum last week, but Horizon is a R20 camp with a R20 behest, you are as much a problem if not more so than the people at R10 doing behests there at R30, Atleast those R10 people with be in the proper range in an hour or so. Go to Cedarwood, Humblehearth, Nine Ivies those are actually R30 behests. In addition to that SP is calculated individually by your rank VS monster rank * what ever tier of party bonus you get, so by being really high level you are actually detracting from more people's SP by being out of the +5 range than the R10 people are as they are more likely to fall within the -10 range. for other people and hurt themselves by not being within their own +5 range.


I posted it twice at the same time, buddy. Once for SE feedback, once for discussion here.
Horizon holds the r30 leves, what would your pretty mouth call it then? I had been leveling my r20 jobs there, actually. Nowhere did I mention a r30 job, and if you'd look at my profile you'd notice my highest is maraduer 28. And now that I'm nearing r30 with them the SP has gone noticeably down so I do those behests with my thau (which I've taken to 27).

If it was you who downvoted the thread into default, its pretty **** pathetic seeing everyone in this thread pretty much agreed with what I said.



um, horizon holds level 20 leves, NOT 30, you are way off on your logic
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Vedis wrote:
MajidahSihaam wrote:
Manosuke the Irrelevant wrote:
MajidahSihaam wrote:
Behest needs a min level to participate based on which behest you are signing up for. To my knowledge SP is calculated based on the lowest rank in the group. I'm sick and tired of doing r30 behests at horizon and getting awful SP because some dude decided to level his god damned r10 job there when he could be getting a lot more SP from behests at camp black brush.

/endrant


Apparently you missed everyone telling you this when you posted it in the feedback forum last week, but Horizon is a R20 camp with a R20 behest, you are as much a problem if not more so than the people at R10 doing behests there at R30, Atleast those R10 people with be in the proper range in an hour or so. Go to Cedarwood, Humblehearth, Nine Ivies those are actually R30 behests. In addition to that SP is calculated individually by your rank VS monster rank * what ever tier of party bonus you get, so by being really high level you are actually detracting from more people's SP by being out of the +5 range than the R10 people are as they are more likely to fall within the -10 range. for other people and hurt themselves by not being within their own +5 range.


I posted it twice at the same time, buddy. Once for SE feedback, once for discussion here.
Horizon holds the r30 leves, what would your pretty mouth call it then? I had been leveling my r20 jobs there, actually. Nowhere did I mention a r30 job, and if you'd look at my profile you'd notice my highest is maraduer 28. And now that I'm nearing r30 with them the SP has gone noticeably down so I do those behests with my thau (which I've taken to 27).

If it was you who downvoted the thread into default, its pretty **** pathetic seeing everyone in this thread pretty much agreed with what I said.



um, horizon holds level 20 leves, NOT 30, you are way off on your logic


I am? Oh okay. Sorry.

Still my point stands. (check previous post's last sentences. added them after you replied)

Edited, Jan 24th 2011 10:21pm by MajidahSihaam
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#18 Jan 24 2011 at 9:23 PM Rating: Decent
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@Maj yeah i agree, at level 28, your fine to still be at the 20 camp, past that though, you really need to move on
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what i think is r13-r23 behest at r20 camps, r23-r33 behest at r30 camps, r33-r43 behest at r40 camps, r43-r53 behest at r50 camp oh sorry no r50 behest yet.


you guys/girls know at r13 u get r20 leves, till you r23 you get 30 leves, and so on. SE already make the 5- + ranks for all you people, hope guys get it, but is your game so they wont do any cap on behest, so you could have some freedom. so when you guys get less sp in behest plz dont complain, you choose it.
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#20 Jan 24 2011 at 10:44 PM Rating: Good
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namasy wrote:
what i think is r13-r23 behest at r20 camps, r23-r33 behest at r30 camps, r33-r43 behest at r40 camps, r43-r53 behest at r50 camp oh sorry no r50 behest yet.


you guys/girls know at r13 u get r20 leves, till you r23 you get 30 leves, and so on. SE already make the 5- + ranks for all you people, hope guys get it, but is your game so they wont do any cap on behest, so you could have some freedom. so when you guys get less sp in behest plz dont complain, you choose it.


i dont mind it when a 23 shows up to behest for a level 30....

but the problem comes when teens show up to 30s, people who havent even hit 10 show up to 20s and so on
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#21 Jan 24 2011 at 11:05 PM Rating: Good
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Rather than a level cap which turns away anyone outside the specific parameters of that area, I'd prefer they just scale down the level of the higher level characters to match the intended level of the behest. Characters under such a level cap restriction would keep all of their skills, but their stats would be scaled down to match the intended level of the behest. Naturally, completion of the behest or leaving the zone the behest is in will cause the level cap restriction to be removed.

Additionally, some kind of NPC Pearl telling you when a behest was going on and in what area so people could more easily participate in them and didn't feel as though they have to camp one specific region because they might miss out on the behest if they left.

I prefer a scaling down effect to a straight restriction because I like my behests to be populated with plenty of people so that it feels more like a war, and less like a skirmish. That, and not being able to play = not much fun.

Edited, Jan 25th 2011 12:06am by WarkupoZ
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Rather than a level cap which turns away anyone outside the specific parameters of that area, I'd prefer they just scale down the level of the higher level characters to match the intended level of the behest. Characters under such a level cap restriction would keep all of their skills, but their stats would be scaled down to match the intended level of the behest. Naturally, completion of the behest or leaving the zone the behest is in will cause the level cap restriction to be removed.

Additionally, some kind of NPC Pearl telling you when a behest was going on and in what area so people could more easily participate in them and didn't feel as though they have to camp one specific region because they might miss out on the behest if they left.

I prefer a scaling down effect to a straight restriction because I like my behests to be populated with plenty of people so that it feels more like a war, and less like a skirmish. That, and not being able to play = not much fun.

Edited, Jan 25th 2011 12:06am by WarkupoZ


I for one would appreciate the idea of rank scaling, since that would actually increase the difficulty of the Behest and reduce the feeling of zerg-fest :-) Even so, there's still the odd person or two - the one who's in the Behest but isn't in the main party (an oversight, easily done,) who then engages the mobs (and getting excellent SP) which are not engaged to our party while going in /say "(Party) (Please invite me.)" 'sigh'

With the Behests, a Warden will appear every hour at every Aetheryte Camp/Gate that offers leves, and an automated message that repeats every minute will appear in local if you're around the camp area. Most people will know this already, and newer players will learn it very soon :p
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#23 Jan 25 2011 at 4:29 AM Rating: Decent
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I agree that +-10 does seem too large a range, problem with +-5 is that if you are in a group of say 15-25s, and you rank up to 26, now you have to head to the level 30 behests, leaving rest of party behind.
Rank scaling would solve this, but I don't know how easy it would be to implement. EQ2 (and others) allow mentoring to lower ranks. Difficult to get right.

One thing that I would like to see is to auto-party all those on the behest. This should be easy enough to implement. Avoids the which-party-will-drop with two partys doing same behest.
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I don't know but maybe it is just me, but it seems too many have the main focus on the wrong thing... SP. You have higher Ranks going to lower Rank Camps, because the -10 in Rank range in the party bonus gives them more sp. You have lower Ranks going to higher Rank Camps because the Mobs are giving them more SP. The whole focus has become SP... not just enjoying the game and working on other aspects of the game. My DoW is only R30, I do the Behest in Cedarwood and Cassiopeia Hollow... that is when I am not doing other things like exploring the regions, finding places I haven't been before, smacking a few Mobs for Mats... not the SP they give.

I know the SP is the main focus for too many because when a Behest is over, many have said "Thanks for the SP" then left... not thanks for the fun... thanks for the help. To me that is just sad, so very sad.
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