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#1 Jan 19 2011 at 11:29 PM Rating: Good
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Its a simple question. When anyone says the servers are dead there are usually several replies from people saying their servers are packed with people and their LSs are growing. So has the bleeding of players stopped? Is FFXIV adding more players than we are losing? Just kind of wondering what the general concensus is on this?
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#2 Jan 19 2011 at 11:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd say overall there hasn't changed much on Istory from November til now...it didn't grow much, but also didn't lose much.
#3 Jan 19 2011 at 11:32 PM Rating: Good
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Sure SEEMS like there are still plenty of people on Rab.

Not sure about hard stats, though.
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#4 Jan 19 2011 at 11:35 PM Rating: Decent
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It's hard to tell since you can't type /sea all function right? I hear the population went down around Novemberish. But hey, I'm sure more people will come back with all these updates and PS3 release, FF14 is gonna make a big come back!
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UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
Its a simple question. When anyone says the servers are dead there are usually several replies from people saying their servers are packed with people and their LSs are growing. So has the bleeding of players stopped? Is FFXIV adding more players than we are losing? Just kind of wondering what the general concensus is on this?


Blue LS has 30 people. 25 of those people stop playing. The other 5 go looking for a new shell with a bit more life to it. Red LS recruits 5 new members. I know there are still people buying the game and playing but I really don't think those new players are on par with the number of people leaving. I do know you can't judge game population by LS recruitment.
#6 Jan 19 2011 at 11:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think as people left and LS's fell apart, the remaining shells picked up more players giving the illusion of server pop going up. Then again we've had a couple brand new players in our LS recently too. I'd really love the /sea all function back.
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#7 Jan 19 2011 at 11:56 PM Rating: Good
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I think as people left and LS's fell apart, the remaining shells picked up more players giving the illusion of server pop going up. Then again we've had a couple brand new players in our LS recently too. I'd really love the /sea all function back.


we'd all love the search function to come back but SE would rather keep us in the dark as much as possible when it comes to what is going on. It really speaks a lot about how SE views its playerbase. Seriously, they must think we're a bunch of retarded cattle.

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#8 Jan 20 2011 at 12:01 AM Rating: Good
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Llester wrote:
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I think as people left and LS's fell apart, the remaining shells picked up more players giving the illusion of server pop going up. Then again we've had a couple brand new players in our LS recently too. I'd really love the /sea all function back.


we'd all love the search function to come back but SE would rather keep us in the dark as much as possible when it comes to what is going on. It really speaks a lot about how SE views its playerbase. Seriously, they must think we're a bunch of retarded cattle.



I dont know how they feel about us now, but on release day when they chose to release the game in the state it was in they must have thought their customer base wasnt very smart.
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#9 Jan 20 2011 at 12:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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UncleRuckusForLife wrote:

I dont know how they feel about us now, but on release day when they chose to release the game in the state it was in they must have thought their customer base wasnt very smart.


to be honest i think it's less a matter of SE thinking we're stupid, and more that they are tremendously out of touch with everything MMO-related. At least the new guy seems to know what's up.
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#10 Jan 20 2011 at 12:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Llester wrote:
UncleRuckusForLife wrote:

I dont know how they feel about us now, but on release day when they chose to release the game in the state it was in they must have thought their customer base wasnt very smart.


to be honest i think it's less a matter of SE thinking we're stupid, and more that they are tremendously out of touch with everything MMO-related. At least the new guy seems to know what's up.


I hope so. I want to like this game.
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#11 Jan 20 2011 at 12:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Llester wrote:
UncleRuckusForLife wrote:

I dont know how they feel about us now, but on release day when they chose to release the game in the state it was in they must have thought their customer base wasnt very smart.


to be honest i think it's less a matter of SE thinking we're stupid, and more that they are tremendously out of touch with everything MMO-related. At least the new guy seems to know what's up.


I think the main pull for me on this Yoshida dude is that he said (or SE said?) he's played MMOs and his favorite was DaoC, which was a really good game for it's time. It says something about him being open minded to MMOs whereas Tanaka, rest his soul, probably hasn't played many MMOs in his day. It's like applying for some kind of supervisor position in let's say retail or food service. You can have all the degrees and status in the world, but if you've never worked in the **** that is a restaurant or a department store, I wouldn't hire you. As far as I know he helped start FFXI, but when someone else took over for him the game got better. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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#12 Jan 20 2011 at 12:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Seriously, they must think we're a bunch of retarded cattle.


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#13 Jan 20 2011 at 1:00 AM Rating: Good
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#14 Jan 20 2011 at 3:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Population is dropping.
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#15 Jan 20 2011 at 4:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sad to say I'm seeing less and less people in main hubs of cities every day. Its slow and gradual but I think people are getting tired of waiting for the miracle patch of 2011 as their patience thresholds expire.
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#16 Jan 20 2011 at 5:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Almost zero content has been added recently. There is no way the pop is going up.
#17 Jan 20 2011 at 5:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Last we knew of the populations, I'd seen it drop into the 600s regularly. I don't think it's changed much since then. The only thing noticable to me is that some who hit 50 are becoming disinterested in the game, and are either playing less or not at all.

But no, I don't believe populations are going up. I would guess there hasn't been 1,000 people on my server for 24 straight hours since the first month or two after release.
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#18 Jan 20 2011 at 5:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes, it seems to be going up. As I run between the cities, I am now passing other people doing the same when over the last few months there was no one else. The Rank 1 Camps have more people in them, doing Crafting and other things.
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#19 Jan 20 2011 at 5:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yesterday I saw 4 less people than I did the day before.
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#20 Jan 20 2011 at 6:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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OP: Sorry but no way server pops are going up. The servers will go up once they add some things to do besides GL, and crafting.
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#21 Jan 20 2011 at 6:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I had one linkshell until we hit the max number of members (128). When that happened, we moved to a new linkshell. Out of that 128, about 40 of the active members transferred to the new LS. That was a couple of weeks ago. Now the LS is sitting at 72 members and counting. But they all seem to be pretty active. I also know that some of thee people who have joined the LS are in more than one LS and probably joined ours because they heard that we are active and welcoming.

So I don't know that we're getting an influx of people into the game. People are just moving around, or creating new characters, etc.
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#22 Jan 20 2011 at 7:48 AM Rating: Good
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No they are not going up. I'm not being a negative nancy either. I am on Rab and what the faithful said is true Uldah has a lot of people, however the other two citys are desolate. There is also a noticeable decline from the Uldah of today and the Uldah of yesterday when people crowded both the repair npc and adventurer's guild. Also the fact that I remember seeing more people just in Limsa before I quit then all of Uldah last night was not encouraging.

If the Development team can start delivering I do believe people will return. Heck I returned just because I wanted to play again, the game does have potential. Hopefully they do deliver soon.
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#23 Jan 20 2011 at 8:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can't see why the numbers would be going up. No updates recently, and anyone who got the game for Xmas would have started before now.

What I do think we're seeing is a lot of LS merging, and possibly server migrating. I see a lot of people from rabanaster noticing more players, and I have to wonder if that's because its one of the 3-4 servers that had a reputation for being rather full, and housing a lot of zam members. Its possible that people were getting fed up and making new characters over there.
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#24 Jan 20 2011 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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Going UP? -.-/
Like, "up" as in "upwards"?
#25 Jan 20 2011 at 8:41 AM Rating: Good
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I know for sure that some of the "new" players just rerolled from other servers to ours because they hear it was active. My "White Knight" friends have stopped playing. Every once in awhile someone logs into one of my shells and everyone is like WOW where have YOU been?!! and they arent seen for weeks. Uldah used to be alwasy crowded, now the steps near the adventure guild are barren. I can see the repair NPC just fine. There are a handfull of BIG LS and every knows which ones cus everyone belongs to them. Lots of merges. At camps I see the same people over and over and over again. So no i dont believe anything is going up at all, only a lot of shifting around that makes it seem like there is new life when its just the same life.
#26 Jan 20 2011 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
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I think it's pretty reasonable that SE is hiding server stats. Pop bleed is a vicious cycle - people start leaving, people start noticing pop going down, they leave, people notice them leaving, they leave, ad infinitum. No one wants to go down with a sinking ship, no one wants to invest time in a game no one is playing, and a lot of people don't want to play a MMO alone.

Why is WoW popular? Because WoW is popular. Everyone you know who MMOs has had a toon on it. Why is Windows popular? Because Windows is popular. Every piece of software you could want is going to see a Windows release (besides [very few] Mac-exclusive titles, predictably produced by Apple).

When you could see server pops, people posted server pops here a lot. The numbers were clear - FFXIV's player base was shrinking at a rapid rate despite being temporarily subscription-free. Since they stopped allowing this, well, just read the posts in this thread - most people playing seem to perceive some stability in the player base size. And they're sticking around, feeling optimistic about it. That's crucial from SE's standpoint. Once the true believers stop believing, FFXIV is dead.

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#27 Jan 20 2011 at 8:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd say that there are probably way more people who are quitting or taking a break than joining, for sure. Without any solid numbers, because they removed the ability to see the numbers, I'd wager at least 2/3 of active subscriptions are people who still have an active character but sign on once a week or not at all while waiting for the game to improve.

I'd also say that once the game DOES improve, the population will skyrocket. But I'd be surprised if the average amount of players per server at any given time exceeded 500.
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#28 Jan 20 2011 at 8:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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I had one linkshell until we hit the max number of members (128). When that happened, we moved to a new linkshell. Out of that 128, about 40 of the active members transferred to the new LS. That was a couple of weeks ago. Now the LS is sitting at 72 members and counting. But they all seem to be pretty active. I also know that some of thee people who have joined the LS are in more than one LS and probably joined ours because they heard that we are active and welcoming.

So I don't know that we're getting an influx of people into the game. People are just moving around, or creating new characters, etc.


I agree that people may be just moving around across LS, but other than that, I know I have observed much more people between November and January, at least on Figaro.

Seriously, if I'm not at camp exactly at the hour I'm almost sure Behest will be full and I won't be able to get in, especially at rank20 camps.

Keep in mind that the there is a lot of variation through time in the number of people logged on, and I think that the active players may not play as intensively as in other games due to the state of the game, but my feeling is that the overall number of players has increased in the past two months. Granted I can't back this statement.
#29 Jan 20 2011 at 8:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
I'd say that there are probably way more people who are quitting or taking a break than joining, for sure. Without any solid numbers, because they removed the ability to see the numbers, I'd wager at least 2/3 of active subscriptions are people who still have an active character but sign on once a week or not at all while waiting for the game to improve.

I'd also say that once the game DOES improve, the population will skyrocket. But I'd be surprised if the average amount of players per server at any given time exceeded 500.


Excellent point.

I personally log on once or twice a week for 1 or 2 hours due to "lack of time", because right now there's nothing that can keep me up all night and justify being tired the next day. (sounds stupid I know).

But I consider myself an "active" player and I spend a lot of time on forums when I can because I'm still very interested in what the game can/could/will provide.
#30 Jan 20 2011 at 9:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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If anything the pop is going down. Their is no Positive feedback on the game it was released at least 2 years to early. Ya i'm a ff fan boy loved ffxi played it for 6 years and ffxiv is still in ALPHA. Ya sorry for all who want the game to kick *** ( I do as well)but their is times when you need to cut the cord and just walk away. It was dificult but some relationships are not ment to be.

I do hope that FFXIV fights back and makes the game fun and addicting like it was in the first couple of days playing. After that its a broken record and should be thrown out.

Sorry for the people who are a White Knight for the game but come on, look at it it really is boring. Looks great/awsome but just boring. I defended it ( I played Beta) and i said like everyone else "Oh its just beta and it will be so much better with a lot more content". Then it was released and well it sucked, it sucked still. Then the Dec update made it playable ,lagg issues and Synth lagg was delayed, but it still was boring.


I really really hope this game turnes around, I want to play a FF series they were a lot of fun and hopefully this one will be to.

For a lot of people, SE needs to hear what is broken will fix the game to make it better then Defending it. I defended it sense BETA and well the game is really the same. So i'm just putting out my thoughts on the game. Oh ya and god forbid i misspell a word or get rated down on this but IDC. How will SE fix it if WE dont tell them what is broken.
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#31 Jan 20 2011 at 9:47 AM Rating: Good
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Fabul is a ghost town and I to have stopped logging in due to a lack of desire to play and I will not log back in till I hear something from SE
#32 Jan 20 2011 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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I want to clarify I didnt start this thread because I think server populations are going up. When i log on I see less and less people but when people bring that up on the forums I always see people counter with "My servers population is awsome and my LS is growing daily. Thats why I made the thread I just wanted to see what you guys are seeing.
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#33 Jan 20 2011 at 3:35 PM Rating: Good
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UncleRuckusForLife wrote:
I want to clarify I didnt start this thread because I think server populations are going up. When i log on I see less and less people but when people bring that up on the forums I always see people counter with "My servers population is awsome and my LS is growing daily. Thats why I made the thread I just wanted to see what you guys are seeing.


Yea to be blunt, the people saying this are either white knight defending the game or just oblivious to whats really going on. Linkshells are dying and all of the hardcore players sticking it out are joining a small number of large linkshells. Just because one ls is growing doesnt mean the pop is going up.
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I would guess its going down, on Fabul at least, but can't say for sure. Can only guess that it is from what I have seen. It seems I am seeing less and less people at the camps. For the last couple of weeks I have been doing a lot of behests solo
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On Karnak my Iron Guisarme always gets repaired by the same 3 people no matter what time I play day or night no matter how much reward I offer. Did a little test a week ago offered 100K for the person who repaired it, stood next to Gogorano and shouted for 72 min. On a active server there should be more then 3 people being able to repair that !
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#36 Jan 20 2011 at 6:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Nah, absolutely not, and why would it be? Not until the fundamentals are fixed and advertised will you see a rise in population. The game is in an 'active hiatus' right now, basically.
#37 Jan 20 2011 at 11:18 PM Rating: Good
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Must be painful, trying so hard to remain a fanboi of this game, huh? I can see you're getting frustrated.
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#38 Jan 21 2011 at 1:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Is it surprising that there haven't been server mergers yet? I doubt the population will ever go back to what they hoped for with the amount of servers available since launch. They could easily do a 2:1 or even 3:1 to bring each up to a healthier level.

Anyway I completely agree with what most are saying here. A lot of the white knights really baffle me when they insinuate that pop levels are stable/rising by citing how great their LS is doing.

The more realistic conclusion here should be that the game is still bleeding players. As such, those remaining will find themselves looking to move away from the dyin LS's into more active ones.

Unfortunately, this is also where a lot of the games systems will start failing which require a healthy population. The repair system was a complete nightmare before, can't imagine how bad it is now. Finding crafting mats was also pretty bad before, with a dying population, are people still able to find the mats they need at low/med/high levels?
#39 Jan 21 2011 at 8:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Is it surprising that there haven't been server mergers yet? I doubt the population will ever go back to what they hoped for with the amount of servers available since launch. They could easily do a 2:1 or even 3:1 to bring each up to a healthier level.

Anyway I completely agree with what most are saying here. A lot of the white knights really baffle me when they insinuate that pop levels are stable/rising by citing how great their LS is doing.

The more realistic conclusion here should be that the game is still bleeding players. As such, those remaining will find themselves looking to move away from the dyin LS's into more active ones.

Unfortunately, this is also where a lot of the games systems will start failing which require a healthy population. The repair system was a complete nightmare before, can't imagine how bad it is now. Finding crafting mats was also pretty bad before, with a dying population, are people still able to find the mats they need at low/med/high levels?


Server mergers at this point would be a bad idea, for two reasons:

1) Merging worlds is pretty much conceding that they don't think they can win their customers back. This, in itself, would be cause for many to leave.

2) If they merge before the PS3 release and then get an influx that causes them to reopen old servers, it would leave them with a lot of egg on their face.
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#40 Jan 21 2011 at 9:04 AM Rating: Default
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No way the pop is increasing with no new content. If anything it is slowly decreasing.

Although todays news might slow that decline even further.
#41 Jan 21 2011 at 10:47 AM Rating: Default
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No way the pop is increasing with no new content. If anything it is slowly decreasing.

Although todays news might slow that decline even further.


Nope, FFXIV is still bleeding, people stop caring what Square Enix has to say a very long time ago.. They could be bsing you right now without you even knowing it..
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#42 Jan 22 2011 at 5:05 AM Rating: Decent
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with a dying population, are people still able to find the mats they need at low/med/high levels?

Whom would they be crafting for?

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Not me; I left about a month ago, but am ready to come back once there is something worthwhile to come back to.
#43 Jan 22 2011 at 1:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd say overall there hasn't changed much on Istory from November til now...it didn't grow much, but also didn't lose much.


I want to let you know that Istory grew by at least one. :D
#44 Jan 22 2011 at 2:37 PM Rating: Default
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Feels like to me that my server population is going down slowly. I'm debating quitting myself since the grind is starting to get to me. Mainly the crafting grind due to the repair system.
#45 Jan 22 2011 at 9:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Grid and LL on my server don't seem as empty as they used to be. Camps are busy during peek hours and weekends. Seems to be picking up.
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Grid and LL on my server don't seem as empty as they used to be. Camps are busy during peek hours and weekends. Seems to be picking up.


you are a whiteknight....there could be only 3 people there one day then the next day there are 5, and you would think OMG this game is getting popular again!*runs to forums* "hey guys my server is super busy during peek hours!"
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Grid and LL on my server don't seem as empty as they used to be. Camps are busy during peek hours and weekends. Seems to be picking up.


you are a whiteknight....there could be only 3 people there one day then the next day there are 5, and you would think OMG this game is getting popular again!*runs to forums* "hey guys my server is super busy during peek hours!"


hes not a white knight, your just an uber troll who cant stay away from these forums


on a related note for this topic. i believe there isnt as much bleeding as some people think there is
I see ALOT of new people coming to the game right now, as i have been for the last month. im not talking new to LS, but new players in general, level 1 characters and so on.

now granted some areas of the game are still deserted, and it hink this is mainly due to the fact people are starting to converge on specific camps as they get higher in level, and word is getting around that those camps are where to go
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Vedis wrote:
ironmonk25 wrote:
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Grid and LL on my server don't seem as empty as they used to be. Camps are busy during peek hours and weekends. Seems to be picking up.


you are a whiteknight....there could be only 3 people there one day then the next day there are 5, and you would think OMG this game is getting popular again!*runs to forums* "hey guys my server is super busy during peek hours!"


hes not a white knight, your just an uber troll who cant stay away from these forums


on a related note for this topic. i believe there isnt as much bleeding as some people think there is
I see ALOT of new people coming to the game right now, as i have been for the last month. im not talking new to LS, but new players in general, level 1 characters and so on.

now granted some areas of the game are still deserted, and it hink this is mainly due to the fact people are starting to converge on specific camps as they get higher in level, and word is getting around that those camps are where to go


Why would new people start to play this game now? Especially after the recent news, theres almost no reason to play now because the game will probably be radically different in a year. I just find it hard to believe that you are seeing ALOT of new players.
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Vedis wrote:
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Grid and LL on my server don't seem as empty as they used to be. Camps are busy during peek hours and weekends. Seems to be picking up.


you are a whiteknight....there could be only 3 people there one day then the next day there are 5, and you would think OMG this game is getting popular again!*runs to forums* "hey guys my server is super busy during peek hours!"


hes not a white knight, your just an uber troll who cant stay away from these forums


on a related note for this topic. i believe there isnt as much bleeding as some people think there is
I see ALOT of new people coming to the game right now, as i have been for the last month. im not talking new to LS, but new players in general, level 1 characters and so on.

now granted some areas of the game are still deserted, and it hink this is mainly due to the fact people are starting to converge on specific camps as they get higher in level, and word is getting around that those camps are where to go


Why would new people start to play this game now? Especially after the recent news, theres almost no reason to play now because the game will probably be radically different in a year. I just find it hard to believe that you are seeing ALOT of new players.


you would really be surprised the kind of things you see in game if you really look.
just because you cant understand it, doesnt mean it isnt happening.
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Two words free sub, children will never understand the value of free to an adult. Our server has a solid mix of japanese players and NA, during the weekends r20 camps of all three cities are filled with people during peak hours.

I took that server because it was a medium sized server, the population died down, then when it was announced that FFXIV sub would be free, people started coming. Players I was not familiar with started showing up. Lag is rough in the lower rank camps in all three cities. It's no longer filled with just gil seller groups.

Kashuan has always had a very expensive economy since beta, something that has not changed even a little. Cotton gears are still selling well. This is an indication that new players are coming in.

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#51 Jan 23 2011 at 5:51 PM Rating: Default
I made some new chars the other day, and it seems the servers are quite full.

I counted 18 servers total, about 8 of them were full or high population(denoted by the chocobos on the side) another 5 or so were 2/3 chocos, with the remaining 3 or 4 at 1 choco.

Population seems pretty ok to me. If they were all full at the start, i don't know. But there seems to be quite alot of people playing.
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