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#1 Jan 21 2011 at 3:55 AM Rating: Decent
Just a random thing I noticed when reading stuff about FFXIV:

"Final Fantasy XIV has shipped 190,000 copies in Japan, 210,000 copies in North America and 230,000 copies in Europe as of November 4, 2010"

I always thought us Europeans were a minority!!
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My assumptions are based on comon sense, no hard data but I would assume that Europe has a much bigger population than Japan and as such it's natural that sales here would be bigger.

In regards to USA I would think that population would be around the same or higher but due to so many different countries/cultures we are more prone to try out different things so we dont all follow WoW because it's the the most well known game.
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Do you know that, anyone outside Japan, US and Europe will have to use EU version officially? So yes, real EU players would be a minority.
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The JP playerbase are probably waiting out for the PS3 release, then the figure there will increase, we're more used to playing MMO's on a PC, the Japanese are more used to gaming on Consoles, it's a cultural thing. Though as we are the highest current number of players, maybe SE will think twice about putting downtime during EU primetime and affecting their highest playbase.
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I'm a lot more surprised by the JP numbers. The Japanese mainstream doesn't generally play games on PCs, so seeing them hold up so well is really surprising.
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Though as we are the highest current number of players, maybe SE will think twice about putting downtime during EU primetime and affecting their highest playbase.


I'm playing EU version but I live in Australia, and my timezone is close to Japan's. Statistically, my copy was still "shipped to Europe". A lot of EU copies are actually not owned by EU players at all, it's because SE has made it that anyone outside the trinity of Japan, US and EU MUST use the EU version.
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I think that the EU to everyone else is the old NTSC/PAL organization. Japan is NTSC. US is NTSC. Most everywhere else is Euorpean Pal or was colonized by Europeans so they use Pal.
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Do you know that, anyone outside Japan, US and Europe will have to use EU version officially? So yes, real EU players would be a minority.



Oh yeah? So as a Canadian I'm playing the EU version?
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Lexxuk wrote:
Though as we are the highest current number of players, maybe SE will think twice about putting downtime during EU primetime and affecting their highest playbase.


I'm playing EU version but I live in Australia, and my timezone is close to Japan's. Statistically, my copy was still "shipped to Europe". A lot of EU copies are actually not owned by EU players at all, it's because SE has made it that anyone outside the trinity of Japan, US and EU MUST use the EU version.


Statistically, you're in England! All EU accounts are classed as in England (or rather the UK) so who ya going to cheer for now that England won the ashes? :P

Seriously though, the EU has around 500 million people, Australia about err 3 and a kangaroo called Skippy, whats that Skippy? Sheila fell down a well? Who cares, I'm playing FFXIV go bug someone else you silly marsupial! So we can suggest that the majority of EU players are in the EU (UK, France, Germany, combined population of... a lot) so the largest playerbase is indeed, over here, at least till PS3 release when Japan will steam ahead... although if memory serves me correctly, the PS3 is in more households in Europe than in Japan and North America, but we prefer PC's).
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Lexxuk wrote:
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Though as we are the highest current number of players, maybe SE will think twice about putting downtime during EU primetime and affecting their highest playbase.


I'm playing EU version but I live in Australia, and my timezone is close to Japan's. Statistically, my copy was still "shipped to Europe". A lot of EU copies are actually not owned by EU players at all, it's because SE has made it that anyone outside the trinity of Japan, US and EU MUST use the EU version.


Statistically, you're in England! All EU accounts are classed as in England (or rather the UK) so who ya going to cheer for now that England won the ashes? :P

Seriously though, the EU has around 500 million people, Australia about err 3 and a kangaroo called Skippy, whats that Skippy? Sheila fell down a well? Who cares, I'm playing FFXIV go bug someone else you silly marsupial! So we can suggest that the majority of EU players are in the EU (UK, France, Germany, combined population of... a lot) so the largest playerbase is indeed, over here, at least till PS3 release when Japan will steam ahead... although if memory serves me correctly, the PS3 is in more households in Europe than in Japan and North America, but we prefer PC's).


Since the results in the poll clearly diferentiate between UK, France and Germany I don't think youre completelly right!
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I have the PC version

I am so buying the PS3 as well to play on both platforms!!!
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You do know that you (and i guess SE as well if they present statistics for "North America, Japan and Europe") are comparing 2 countries to a continent right?.... A continent totalling about 850 million people...

And even if by "EU" they only mean the European union, and exclude the rest of europe, you still have a population of about 500 million people...
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I'm a lot more surprised by the JP numbers. The Japanese mainstream doesn't generally play games on PCs, so seeing them hold up so well is really surprising.


This. Most of the JP FFXI players were PS2 players, not PC players. It's why the game felt like a console game and was always limited by what the console could do. It's also why XIV feels like a console game (although at least this time they aren't limiting it to what the console can do and the PC version has features the console one won't like 1080p for example)

Once the PS3 release hits, expect the amount of JP players to skyrocket.
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You do know that you (and i guess SE as well if they present statistics for "North America, Japan and Europe") are comparing 2 countries to a continent right?.... A continent totalling about 850 million people...


Last time I checked, North America was a continent, North America, South America, Europe, Aisa, Africa, Australia, Antarctica, I'm missing one, err, India is a sub continent, err, wait, no I'm not. So yes, North America is a continent, there is no country called North America, unless someone changed it when I wasn't watching, did the US invade Canada like they planned to do in the 30's before WW2 distracted them? So we're comparing two REGIONS with one COUNTRY (Australia isn't in Europe, which I'm sure they are glad about, although to be honest, I love Australians because they love Rugby and I'm Welsh).

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Since the results in the poll clearly diferentiate between UK, France and Germany I don't think youre completelly right!


Twas something said in relation to FFXI, SE (probably for tax reasons, or data protection or something) list all EU based accounts as resident in the UK. The poll (I can't remember) may have asked for region, or as it is tied to an account already knows the region you live in so extrapolated it from that. However, why wasn't there a better showing from EU players? We have the greatest number yet if you combine UK/Fr/De you'll find it a really tiny sliver compared to NA/JP, maybe we were just not as aware? Though the US has invaded Canada and renamed to North America and we didn't notice :(

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I think its more disturbing Germanys % of time battling which is a good chunk higher then everyone else think thats cultural. WWI/WWII >.>
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Dude, I'm British so historically, we've been in just as many world wars as Germany, and of course building a huge empire that controlled over 9000% of the planet means we're way more blood thirsty than the Teutonic chaps, ain't met a BMW that tried to kill me yet, just a Mini, the original British car, not the German one. Though I was in a German Mini once with my girlfriend, traffic lights were red.... /coff good times :D
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Lexxuk wrote:
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You do know that you (and i guess SE as well if they present statistics for "North America, Japan and Europe") are comparing 2 countries to a continent right?.... A continent totalling about 850 million people...


Last time I checked, North America was a continent, North America, South America, Europe, Aisa, Africa, Australia, Antarctica, I'm missing one, err, India is a sub continent, err, wait, no I'm not. So yes, North America is a continent, there is no country called North America, unless someone changed it when I wasn't watching, did the US invade Canada like they planned to do in the 30's before WW2 distracted them? So we're comparing two REGIONS with one COUNTRY (Australia isn't in Europe, which I'm sure they are glad about, although to be honest, I love Australians because they love Rugby and I'm Welsh).

Edited, Jan 21st 2011 3:15pm by Lexxuk


Close but wrong. North America and South America are not 2 different continents, its a big one called America, divided into 3 major zones: north america, central america and south america, and North America includes Mexico, USA and Canada... again, even if USA deny it or dont like it.
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You do know that you (and i guess SE as well if they present statistics for "North America, Japan and Europe") are comparing 2 countries to a continent right?.... A continent totalling about 850 million people...


Last time I checked, North America was a continent, North America, South America, Europe, Aisa, Africa, Australia, Antarctica, I'm missing one, err, India is a sub continent, err, wait, no I'm not. So yes, North America is a continent, there is no country called North America, unless someone changed it when I wasn't watching, did the US invade Canada like they planned to do in the 30's before WW2 distracted them? So we're comparing two REGIONS with one COUNTRY (Australia isn't in Europe, which I'm sure they are glad about, although to be honest, I love Australians because they love Rugby and I'm Welsh).

Edited, Jan 21st 2011 3:15pm by Lexxuk


Close but wrong. North America and South America are not 2 different continents, its a big one called America, divided into 3 major zones: north america, central america and south america, and North America includes Mexico, USA and Canada... again, even if USA deny it or dont like it.


As its taught in schools in the US (or at least Minnesota) there are seven continents, North America, South America, Africa, Europe, Asia, Australia, and Antarctica. With the region of Central America being part of the continent of South America. North America is a Continent containing three countries Unites States, Canada, and Mexico. Or so I was taught in school.
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Though as we are the highest current number of players, maybe SE will think twice about putting downtime during EU primetime and affecting their highest playbase.


I'm playing EU version but I live in Australia, and my timezone is close to Japan's. Statistically, my copy was still "shipped to Europe". A lot of EU copies are actually not owned by EU players at all, it's because SE has made it that anyone outside the trinity of Japan, US and EU MUST use the EU version.


Statistically, you're in England! All EU accounts are classed as in England (or rather the UK) so who ya going to cheer for now that England won the ashes? :P

Seriously though, the EU has around 500 million people, Australia about err 3 and a kangaroo called Skippy, whats that Skippy? Sheila fell down a well? Who cares, I'm playing FFXIV go bug someone else you silly marsupial! So we can suggest that the majority of EU players are in the EU (UK, France, Germany, combined population of... a lot) so the largest playerbase is indeed, over here, at least till PS3 release when Japan will steam ahead... although if memory serves me correctly, the PS3 is in more households in Europe than in Japan and North America, but we prefer PC's).


Except when you're talking about people outside of the three mentioned "zones" that are classified as "Europe" by SE, you're talking about a few billion people out there. Pretty sure a few billion is a bit many more than 500 million :P
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Lexxuk wrote:
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You do know that you (and i guess SE as well if they present statistics for "North America, Japan and Europe") are comparing 2 countries to a continent right?.... A continent totalling about 850 million people...


Last time I checked, North America was a continent, North America, South America, Europe, Aisa, Africa, Australia, Antarctica, I'm missing one, err, India is a sub continent, err, wait, no I'm not. So yes, North America is a continent, there is no country called North America, unless someone changed it when I wasn't watching, did the US invade Canada like they planned to do in the 30's before WW2 distracted them? So we're comparing two REGIONS with one COUNTRY (Australia isn't in Europe, which I'm sure they are glad about, although to be honest, I love Australians because they love Rugby and I'm Welsh).

Edited, Jan 21st 2011 3:15pm by Lexxuk


Close but wrong. North America and South America are not 2 different continents, its a big one called America, divided into 3 major zones: north america, central america and south america, and North America includes Mexico, USA and Canada... again, even if USA deny it or dont like it.


As its taught in schools in the US (or at least Minnesota) there are seven continents, North America, South America, Africa, Europe, Asia, Australia, and Antarctica. With the region of Central America being part of the continent of South America. North America is a Continent containing three countries Unites States, Canada, and Mexico. Or so I was taught in school.


After this post, did some little research 'cause had a doubt (since I don't live or study in US) and indeed, in China and US, they are taught that there are 7 continents, having america into north and south, for the rest of the world, it's 6. Since I live in Mexico, here we are taught there are 6 continents.
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After this post, did some little research 'cause had a doubt (since I don't live or study in US) and indeed, in China and US, they are taught that there are 7 continents, having america into north and south, for the rest of the world, it's 6. Since I live in Mexico, here we are taught there are 6 continents


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Would make a lot more sense for there to be 7 continents...

First of all, the land mass that connects the 2 Americas is 'relatively' insignificant when you look at the total landmass of the continent(s).

Secondly, they rest on completely different tectonic plates. Now granted, that isn't what we go by when labeling continents, but it sure seems logical to at least mention.

Not to mention, when you look at a map, and consider what's going on in the world, they just feel as if they were completely different continents.

And to be more on topic... those numbers are somewhat interesting, but I'd be more interested in seeing the first census result post PS3 launch.
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Except when you're talking about people outside of the three mentioned "zones" that are classified as "Europe" by SE, you're talking about a few billion people out there. Pretty sure a few billion is a bit many more than 500 million :P


Yeah, but they don't count :P China has 1B and don't think they would be classed as EU, maybe JP, so maybe JP is really Asia? Add in India which is also Asia and you're knocking up 2 billion, Russia is in Europe though and Europe/Asia form Eurasia which takes me onto the next point:

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Would make a lot more sense for there to be 7 continents...

First of all, the land mass that connects the 2 Americas is 'relatively' insignificant when you look at the total landmass of the continent(s)


Nothing makes sense otherwise Eurasia would be the continent, not Europe/Asia, I think the continents are just stated for convenience, there is no set criteria to define a continent (Greenland is bigger than Australia, but is in North America - and Europe... don't ask).
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The "EU" classification encompasses more than just the usual European nations. Pretty much anyone who isn't NA or JP needs this version to play, so it stand to reason that version would have a high sales rate.
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Japan pop is about 130 mil.

US pop is about 300 mil.

Europe pop is about 700 mil.

Europe wins.
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Japan pop is about 130 mil.

US pop is about 300 mil.

Europe pop is about 700 mil.

Europe wins.


So the 4900+ mil other people are not winning? :P

If we remove 1300 mil from China, that's still 3600 mil other people.
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You do know that you (and i guess SE as well if they present statistics for "North America, Japan and Europe") are comparing 2 countries to a continent right?.... A continent totalling about 850 million people...


Last time I checked, North America was a continent, North America, South America, Europe, Aisa, Africa, Australia, Antarctica, I'm missing one, err, India is a sub continent, err, wait, no I'm not. So yes, North America is a continent, there is no country called North America, unless someone changed it when I wasn't watching, did the US invade Canada like they planned to do in the 30's before WW2 distracted them? So we're comparing two REGIONS with one COUNTRY (Australia isn't in Europe, which I'm sure they are glad about, although to be honest, I love Australians because they love Rugby and I'm Welsh).

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Close but wrong. North America and South America are not 2 different continents, its a big one called America, divided into 3 major zones: north america, central america and south america, and North America includes Mexico, USA and Canada... again, even if USA deny it or dont like it.



There are 6 different ways of counting the number of continents.

#1 - 7 continents = North America, South America, Antarctica, Africa, Europe, Asia, Australia (or Oceania). Is most commonly taught.
#2 - 6 continents = Same as above, only Asia and Europe is combined "Eurasia" as it is one land mass. Is mostly used in geographical sense
#3 - 6 continents = Same as #1 only North and South America is combined into America. Is mostly used in Latin America and some european nmations.
#4 - 5 continents = America, Africa, Europe, Asia, Australia. Antartica is excluded as it is mostly uninhabited. This is where the 5 Olypic Rings is from.
#5 - 5 continents = America, Africa, Antarctica, Eurasia, Australia.
#6 - 4 contenents = America, Antarctica, Afro-Eurasia, Australia. Is essentially the minimum number considering all connected land masses as one continent.

So both of you are correct. Niether one is more correct than another as it is based on the teachings you were brought up with. Similar to how words are spelt differently like 'honor' or 'honour' or wether you use Metric or Imperial.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent#Number_Of_Continents for a nice graphical (with colours) version
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So both of you are correct. Niether one is more correct than another as it is based on the teachings you were brought up with. Similar to how words are spelt differently like 'honor' or 'honour' or wether you use Metric or Imperial.


We use Metric AND Imperial, although there is more than one Imperial, there is UK Imperial and US Imperial, which is why everyone should switch to metric, you know where you are with a kilomile or a miliounce, and when it's 90 degrees centiheight then the world is good. Malm is of course Metric, there are 100 Malms to a Kilomalm, with 1 malm being the length of a Miq'te's tail measured at 0 degrees C in a vacuum, on a Tuesday.
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
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I'm a lot more surprised by the JP numbers. The Japanese mainstream doesn't generally play games on PCs, so seeing them hold up so well is really surprising.


This. Most of the JP FFXI players were PS2 players, not PC players. It's why the game felt like a console game and was always limited by what the console could do. It's also why XIV feels like a console game (although at least this time they aren't limiting it to what the console can do and the PC version has features the console one won't like 1080p for example)

Once the PS3 release hits, expect the amount of JP players to skyrocket.
The PS2 version also came out first, and the PC version months later. On the contrary, the PC version released to the NA crowd first, with the PS2 version months later.

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Japan pop is about 130 mil.

US pop is about 300 mil.

Europe pop is about 700 mil.

Europe wins.
Europe is a continent. Japan and the US are countries. Out of the 15 largest countries in the world (by population), 0 of them are from Europe (Germany is 16th).




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Malm is of course Metric, there are 100 Malms to a Kilomalm, with 1 malm being the length of a Miq'te's tail measured at 0 degrees C in a vacuum, on a Tuesday.


Sun Miqo'te or Moon Miqo'te? The tails are different lengths (Moon is longer and has a coloured tip)
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Germany is 14th with 81m people. FFXIV though is released in the EU in French, German and English, so if you combine the 3 targeted language areas you get a population of 204m people putting the combined nations as 5th with 8 billion GDP putting the 3 in 2nd place behind the US (and in front of China), not bad really, 3 countries contribute 1/2 the GDP of the entire European Union. JP FFXIV is only available in Japanese, and NA FFXIV is only available in English, no idea why not Spanish but there you go.

Europe itself is a continent yes, but the European Union is not, some countries in Europe are not part of the EU, and indeed, within the EU itself some member nations have not adopted the € and continue to use the £ (yay us, though legend has it that Germany wants to leave the Euro and get the Deutsch Mark back).

/edit @ above - no idea, every time I run up to a Miq'te with a ruler they call me a pervert and call a GM :(

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