Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
I'm very pleased to see more people who like the idea of group grinding. I hope it becomes a possibility.
The vocal minority ruins MMOs if a developer listens too closely to them. Not trying to be mean guy, but it's the truth. People only stand up when they feel the urge to complain. In a sea of 100,000 people, if 1% of those people have a gripe they can seem very, very loud in an awful hurry. In a thread labeled as this one is, it wouldn't surprise me that you'd get a polarized response and given that these boards are now largely dominated by FFXI expats, it only makes sense that they'd call for what they're familiar with. Doesn't make it something the devs should be paying close attention to.
I said before that I know I'm in the minority, and I agree that vocal minorities are louder than silent majorities. That's why I said "I hope it becomes a possibility" and not "OMG SEE WE NEED TO KILL SOLOING AND MAKE THE GAME GROUP GRINDING ONLY". I'm sure someone would try to make that argument, but it won't be me.
I'd like group grinding to be an option that is available to people, should they choose to go that route, but it should not be the primary focus of leveling in FFXIV because it's not fair to the majority of people who -don't- like it.
Cant believe people bash WOW'S Dungeon tool, and then say this is supposed to be a MMORPG! Jesus christ you can group up with people from a totally different server, what more MMORPG can you get ? Does the feature kills in-server grouping ? No, does it not let you make a party from your server or friends or guild and tackle some dungeons ? No!
Then what are you complaining about lol ?
The major complaint about WoW's dungeon tool is the cross server aspect. The best part about making your own groups in WoW pre DF tool or in FFXI is that you meet new people, you remember them, you add them to your friend list, and you try to party with them again. If I meet someone who is on a totally different server, it is impossible for my character and their character to say "Hey, after this dungeon, do you want to do leves?" or "Hey, do you think you'd be willing to help me with an NM later?" because once the group breaks, they're gone pretty much forever, unless luck groups you together again or one of you wants to server hop.
The biggest positive aspect (and for some, the ONLY positive aspect) of forced group leveling in XI was that you met new people and ended up helping each other. Maybe I'm in a group on my level 37 NIN and the healer says they need a coffer key on their PLD. Guess what? I can change to something else and help you with that after this party! Maybe I'm on a party and a guy mentions that he needs a DRK for PM 3-5. Someone else steps in and offers to join.
Here are just a few things that never would have happened if FFXI allowed me to group cross server:
- Our group in Kuftal allianced with another group in Kuftal to take down Pelican for the other group's RDM who wanted the shield.
- I got my Carbuncle's Ruby when a party disbanded and someone asked me if I wanted help with anything; he changed to THF and we headed to Qufim.
- I spent 5 hours helping someone get items for Genkai 1 after a Dunes party when they mentioned that their main was stuck at 50.
- I was invited to a Soboro run by some people I partied with.
- I was in a level 30ish party; Garlaige was full and we actually ended up doing all three Promyvions and getting Lufaise access for four people instead of XPing.
The list could go on, but my point is: Unless you're going to also let my character server hop back and forth as much as I want, for free, with no limitations, I'd rather stick to playing only with players who exist in the same world I do rather than players who exist on another server and I'm likely never to see again. That means no pelican, no ruby, no genkai items, no soboro, no CoP missions...
"Hey, want to join our Linkshell? You can't; you're not on our sever."
"Hey, want to go explore the world? We can't, we're on different servers."
"Hey, do you need me to craft anything for you? I can't, I'm on another server."