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#1 Jan 23 2011 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
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Some guy on GameFAQs posted this topic
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/960613-final-fantasy-xiv-online/57900016

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Acceptable:
Offering two odd repair materials for the one you're about to use. Example: Spoken blood
<R30 synth: Twice the cost of repair materials.
R30-40 gear: Twice the cost of repair materials plus 2k in labor.
R40-50 gear: Twice the cost of repair materials plus 4k in labor.
Add 2k to repair cost if off-job material is needed (eg: if a goldsmith needs to use a square, they need armorsmithing too)

Examples:
Iron spatha: 4k
Iron Falchion: 6k.
Electrum Ring: 10k
Oak Cane: 2 horn glue

Unacceptable:
Silver ring: 100 gil
Iron Falchion: 1k.
Heliodor ring: 2k.

This is like the minimum courtesy. I put R40-50 gear up for at least 7k when the cost of mats is 1k and don't consider any synth reward under 1500 gil as legitimate no matter what the level is.

Cost of metals:

Brass: 750 gil
Iron: 1000 gil
Silver: 1000 gil
Steel: 4000 gil
Electrum: 4000 gil

SP is also not part of your reward package to said crafters.



I was wondering how everyone else tips crafters. This guy's way seems overly complicated.
Usually I give 6k for all my cloth gear and wands (currently Velveteen and Walnut), or 4k if I have to look for the mats myself.

Am I not tipping enough? :3
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#2 Jan 23 2011 at 2:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I always put my items up for 5k per item, and they always get repaired by me standing still... so obviously this guy has a stick up his ***. I get people chasing me saying "WAIT IM TRYING TO REPAIR YOUR STUFF STAND STILL" So until that stops I'm leaving all my rank 50 gear at 5k each lol.


I also tip in shards from time to time, but I've found 5k per item is a good #, unless the item is under rank 25 then 2k seems to work. (I mean the crafters tend to have hundreds of the repair items, and they cant sell them to an NPC for more than like 150 gil, so getting 2k for expending a repair item is acceptable).


Edited, Jan 23rd 2011 3:18pm by Eadieni
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#3 Jan 23 2011 at 2:19 PM Rating: Excellent
The only example I have offhand is my Brand. It costs about 12k to repair at npc, I offer 15k for player repair.
#4 Jan 23 2011 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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You can't go off NPC prices because rank 50 items NPCs want 75k through 150k to repair per item.
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#5 Jan 23 2011 at 3:17 PM Rating: Good
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My only rank 50 gear that I can't repair myself is my bracelets, circlet, and wand. The wand breaks super fast, like in 1-2 NM fights which is like 30-40 mins tops. I usually seek repairs for 5k per wand and they get fixed fast in town. The circlet and bracelets I haven't had to repair yet, but the circlet, since it takes an electrum nugget, I would offer like 10k for or so. The pearl bracelets need silver, so I'd offer prolly like 5k.

The rest of my gear is cloth, and since I can repair all cloth items in the game with my 42 weaver, I just fix them myself.

And as far as my take on it when repairing things for other people, I'll fix pretty much anything for any amount. I rarely see anyone offering 1g, but I'd still repair it for that. Usually I see offers between 1k and 4k.

I don't need the gils at all either, I've got everything I need, and the only thing I buy now is cookies for mp during NM's and repairs, and the occasional mat to make someone something. I mainly just repair things to help random peoples out, just like how I stop to heal anyone I see in need of a cure, and toss protect/shell on random people.

My general advice on repairs is to pay for the cost of the repair mat, rounded up to the nearest thousand, and any tip past that is totally optional. People will still repair most stuff that takes cheap mats for like 1-2k, and if you're hurting for gils, don't worry about tipping too much, the quick sp is worth more than the tip anyway. But if you like to tip people, feel free to. Also if you're not tipping, and not afk, at least say thank you, that always makes a repair worth it. :)
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I will usually try to reapair anything i can for people when i encounter someone search. Most of the time gil reqards are alright, but it is frustrating to run into those people seeking repairs with something like 'boar leather spelch' and 'horn glue' for 100gil or something. If their levels are low enough, I try to just assume its a noob who doesn't know what horn glue is, or that it costs me 5-10k gil.
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People love the idea of set prices. Repairs are a market good, that'll follow supply and demand just like anything else. If someone repairs for what you're offering, that was an acceptable offer.
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#8 Jan 23 2011 at 4:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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You can't go off NPC prices because rank 50 items NPCs want 75k through 150k to repair per item.


Why not? If your item costs 75k to repair to 75% isn't it fair to offer 20k as a reward? Considering that I fail slightly less than half of my own repairs, I know I wouldn't repair some one elses item if I won't at least make enough gil to buy 2x the repair material.
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#9 Jan 23 2011 at 4:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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I can be generous when doing repairs and I will sometimes repair stuff even if what the person is offering is sort of insulting. My view is if you are standing around in gear worth 10 million gil, I am not going to do your repairs unless you are offering a fair price.

I will fix anything for any price for what looks to be a new player.

But from general players I just won't bother unless it is worth my time and mats.

If the repair takes a maple branch or a bone chip I am pretty forgiving. But if it takes GFA, horn/fish/wing glue, a potion... etc. Then you better be offering enough to make it worth my while to do the repair. (Like potions - I don't carry them in pot form most of the time so I gotta make the thing... then have 2 pots in my inventory which I then end up dumping or just otherwise wasting to free up my inventory)

For myself seeking repairs I always try to be generous - first of all cause I have more than enough money to meet my needs, second of all because I am still saving money over the repair npc and getting more durability/the ability to trade the item, and third of all because I want to build a reputation of being a decent person.

Examples of what I offer:

10K to fix my skillet/alembic
5-6K to fix my canvas gear
5-7K to fix my silver jewelry
5-6K to fix my belts

I don't really do anything in a hard and fast way, I just put it up for whatever seems right at the time. It may depend on my location. In town I will often offer a little less because there are more people around and repair mats are easier to come up with. Out of town I try to make the reward generous enough so that people who are busy doing other stuff feel like they are not wasting their time.

I know I could offer less and still get repairs (heck I will do repairs for less!) but I don't really need the money - and for me it is important to reward others for helping me.


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#10 Jan 23 2011 at 5:38 PM Rating: Good
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PerrinofSylph, ****** Superhero wrote:
Eadieni wrote:
You can't go off NPC prices because rank 50 items NPCs want 75k through 150k to repair per item.


Why not? If your item costs 75k to repair to 75% isn't it fair to offer 20k as a reward? Considering that I fail slightly less than half of my own repairs, I know I wouldn't repair some one elses item if I won't at least make enough gil to buy 2x the repair material.

Because then your repairs cost you like 150k for your items.

Most items at the NPC cost more to repair than it is to buy new ones.
Usually you get all your armor repaired at 5k each for about 25k, costs the person about 3k in mats and they gain around 500sp.

Expecting someone to pay 20k to repair an axe or something is not standard. I've never had someone complain about 5k for an engraved bhuj repair (a rank 48 axe)
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Look at what your server is charging for the repair mats you need and offer at least that. We do fail on repairs and it gets more expensive with every fail. However, covering the cost of the mat is the very minimum you should offer. I generally go with offering up 4 wind or earth crystals.

I generally will repair anyone for w/e they are offering, provided I have the mat on hand.

Edited, Jan 23rd 2011 7:41pm by Spyrit178
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Eadieni wrote:
PerrinofSylph, ****** Superhero wrote:
[quote=Eadieni]You can't go off NPC prices because rank 50 items NPCs want 75k through 150k to repair per item.

Expecting someone to pay 20k to repair an axe or something is not standard. I've never had someone complain about 5k for an engraved bhuj repair (a rank 48 axe)


The axe is a different example, you only need around r20 to repair that with a Brass Nugget.

I repair craps for people as long as they pay more than repair mat cost. No 2k for Electrum Gemmed ring pl0x.

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No the axe takes r38 goldsmith and a brass nugget.

It's a rank 48 axe but r30s have not been able to attempt repair

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#14 Jan 23 2011 at 7:25 PM Rating: Good
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Usually you get all your armor repaired at 5k each for about 25k, costs the person about 3k in mats and they gain around 500sp.

Try like 20-30 SP a repair, unless they grind it all the way down to like 0-10% before seeking repairs, at which point I sometimes get up to 50 SP for a single repair. Repair SP is hardly worth taking into account, I would need to do 10 on level repairs to equal out to one half mask synth. On a full set of repairs (Head, body, waist, hands, pants, feet and weapon) I sometimes see, at best 120-150 SP.

Edit: That being said, barring weird/expensive materials, 5k standard offer for me. If it's something silly like Horn Glue or Ragstone Whetstones 2x mat cost. (Costs like 6k + 15 wind shards for 3 whetstones those buggers are pricy)

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I tend to get 50-90 sp for repairs
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There are so many players who seeks repair are rediculously frugal, for example they will offer 1K for Oak Cane which requires Horn glue to repair which goes for 5k-7k on Wutai. However, their asking price are usually higher than market rates for their own bazaar retail items, for example 12k for Cactuar needles, 1k for each copper nugget and I am not making this up.

People need to understand these items cost us time and money and shards.
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Eadieni wrote:
No the axe takes r38 goldsmith and a brass nugget.

It's a rank 48 axe but r30s have not been able to attempt repair

Edited, Jan 23rd 2011 8:25pm by Eadieni


Out of topic, but pretty sure the Nov/Dec patch has made it possible for r20 Goldsmith to repair it, since it's a r30 synth.

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Edited, Jan 23rd 2011 8:40pm by Khornette

I got upward to 120-130 SP repairing stuff only if it's very high level and 0% durability. Typically I get 30-40 SP, people need to break their stuff more D: I'm a repair *****, since I can repair everything Goldsmith/Carpenter related except the Champion Lance and Halberd (havent tried) and I carry around 30 repair ingredients in my pocket.

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It doesnt matter which Rank the item has, or what rank is needed to repair it for me.

All that matters to me is that the "offer" is worth more than my expenses. For example...whatever the item is, if it takes an Iron Nugget to repair, I'm doing it for 3k+.

But people offering 2-3k for repairs that require Wing Glue, Electrum Nugget, Mythril Nugget and stuff...I wouldn't even consider it...if I need repairs for my Rings that take an Electrum Nugget, I wouldn't even dare to put them up for less than 10k.
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I am a repair addict too. I love hutning for those hammer icons.

As a TAN/WVR/GLD I can repair 90% of my armour. The only things I can't repair are my tools and weapons. For my r20-30ish gear I tend to offer 5K for repairs as they mostly require just a nugget or two. When I start to use r40-50 items I will probably up that to 7-10K. If repair require more or hard to find items, I add more gil. I don't carry items to repair things I can't repair myself.

For things like cloth gear that only requires a few pieces of cotton/Canvas/Velveteen fent I will go as low as 1K to repair as the mats aren't that much to make. Sheep or Dodo Leather repairs are the same. However for items that require Buffalo Leather spetch I don't go lower than 3K as at my level I am griding on Buffalo Hide->leather->vamps and each piece of leather I use to restock my spetch comes at the cost of SP. Also I don't repair for offers of shards. 10 earth shards for electrum ring repair is just a slap in the face.

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The first thing I must say in my ever evolving prices i accept for repairs

is NOTHING below 3k, period. i dont care how cheap the material is, if you cant be bothered to pay at least 3k per piece, you dont need repairs.
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people are so **** stingy about their money in this game when it comes to repairs, like they are so broke they can never afford them, last week i saw alot of good prices up, but this week.....

ive cheked well over 100 people all weekend, ALL of them had everything up for 1-500 gil tops. it ****** me off to no end.
And if you say something to them, they go balistic and act all offended....
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The first thing I must say in my ever evolving prices i accept for repairs

is NOTHING below 3k, period. i dont care how cheap the material is, if you cant be bothered to pay at least 3k per piece, you dont need repairs.
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people are so **** stingy about their money in this game when it comes to repairs, like they are so broke they can never afford them, last week i saw alot of good prices up, but this week.....

ive cheked well over 100 people all weekend, ALL of them had everything up for 1-500 gil tops. it ****** me off to no end.
And if you say something to them, they go balistic and act all offended....


I have stuff in my bazaar seeking for repair for 1-1000 gil sometimes because I am waiting for my friend to log on and come repair it for me. Usually means I am repairing something for him as well... We live symbiotic existence lol.

But anyways, What I usually do is check the price of the material (if the item is rare (ish)... like wing glue) and then set my price that + 2-5k depending on the item.
If the repair item is very common, like bone chip or something, but the item is too high for me to fix myself, I usually go for 2-5k depending on the item of course. I wouldn't have my bone rings fixed for 5k...

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Just my .02.

I usually bazaar the necessary repair item for cost, and then add in a cash amount for the repair itself.

For example, my pine crook +1. It requires beastkin blood, which drops easily enough so I bazaar it for 100 gil. Then I add in the fact that it takes a low to mid-level carpenter. So I set it for repair at 3100.

I do what I can to supply the needed items to make it less of a chore to the crafter. They're doing me a favor, so why not? And my stuff is usually repaired in less than 5 minutes, right outside the market wards.
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#23 Jan 24 2011 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
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I always love when people offering 500 gil for repairs. I understand their are a lot of crafters but dam i get more gill selling my junk to a npc then what people offer for repairs. For any repairs 1k should be the min. Or like said above maybe those people are waiting for their friend to come and repair it.
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Vedis wrote:
The first thing I must say in my ever evolving prices i accept for repairs

is NOTHING below 3k, period. i dont care how cheap the material is, if you cant be bothered to pay at least 3k per piece, you dont need repairs.
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people are so **** stingy about their money in this game when it comes to repairs, like they are so broke they can never afford them, last week i saw alot of good prices up, but this week.....

ive cheked well over 100 people all weekend, ALL of them had everything up for 1-500 gil tops. it ****** me off to no end.
And if you say something to them, they go balistic and act all offended....

It's probably because while -you- won't accept those prices, hundreds of other crafters do.
If you refuse to repair for those prices, don't do it.

Why should they raise their amount just because you refuse to do it when if they wait a few seconds another crafter will run along and repair for 500g?

They aren't seeking repairs to help -you- they are seeking repairs to help themselves, and you are volunteering a repair service.

People offering high $$ are either being generous to crafters, or they are trying to get it repaired faster.

Keep in mind that most crafters who walk around doing repairs seem to pay no mind to the amount of gil in the bazaar.
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Personally I only repair ARM stuff along with WVR (only needed canvas fent) and LW (only needed buff spech).

On WVR and LW I just wont repair anything under 2K as the mats themselves cost 1.7K I know that if I was to craft the mats I might get the price down but since I'm only SPing them as subs for ARM I dont. If I'm felling all nice and warm I might even explain to people why I dont repair stuff at 1K or less.

On ARM I do have a few mats which I will accept at 1K like copper wire/rings and such but mostly would have a minimum of 2K for me to even consider swapping tool on my main hand nvm rest of gear.
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It's probably because while -you- won't accept those prices, hundreds of other crafters do.
If you refuse to repair for those prices, don't do it.

Why should they raise their amount just because you refuse to do it when if they wait a few seconds another crafter will run along and repair for 500g?

They aren't seeking repairs to help -you- they are seeking repairs to help themselves, and you are volunteering a repair service.

People offering high $$ are either being generous to crafters, or they are trying to get it repaired faster.

Keep in mind that most crafters who walk around doing repairs seem to pay no mind to the amount of gil in the bazaar


people dont look at repair prices?

this is why half these people(i do pay attention to who they are) are STILL seeking the same repairs, on the same items, days later


no, the problem is they are cheap, and defending them, just shows how much you dont support the crafting system

crafters should at bare minimum be paid what the item is worth(im sorry, but im not repairing your brand for 100 friggin gil) and should be tipped on top of it.


also another pet peve of mine....people who offer the repair mat as the reward.

first off, if we have the material, we dont want the material as payment, also, doing this is like saying "repair me for free please!"
if you want to properly compensate while doing this, offer 2 of the material, not just the 1 material itself


also id like to take a minute to point out, when i ask people to raise their prices or comment to them, the ones who do have them low in order for a friend/LS to do it for them do state thats why they are doing it, they arent the ones who get all rude and defensive. Its the people wh honestly think that crafters are here to repair them for dirt cheap free at a loss to the crafter prices who get all mean and nasty over it

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Don't repair their stuff.
Problem solved.

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Now that I think of it, that's a perfect way to attract more crafters to look at the marmot
meat in my bazaar. I'll simply put up an item requiring terribly expensive stuff to repair
in my bazaar for 1 gil.

In the middle fashion ward.

Yay! Me is genius!

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Another reason the repair system is such an annoyance. I always get my gear fixed at the NPC.
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I'm not disputing your main point, that crafters should be properly compensated for their time, but:

Vedis wrote:
crafters should at bare minimum be paid what the item is worth(im sorry, but im not repairing your brand for 100 friggin gil) and should be tipped on top of it.


I read this as saying that you expect someone to offer the same amount that they paid for a new item to get that same item repaired? For example, if it costs 15k to buy an item, you expect the person to pay 15k to have it repaired? I hope I'm reading that wrong, because that's insane. If people are expected to pay the full value of an item to get it repaired, then why not just vendor it and buy a new item? Again, I'm assuming that was probably worded wrong or I'm misinterpreting what you said, right?
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
I'm not disputing your main point, that crafters should be properly compensated for their time, but:

Vedis wrote:
crafters should at bare minimum be paid what the item is worth(im sorry, but im not repairing your brand for 100 friggin gil) and should be tipped on top of it.


I read this as saying that you expect someone to offer the same amount that they paid for a new item to get that same item repaired? For example, if it costs 15k to buy an item, you expect the person to pay 15k to have it repaired? I hope I'm reading that wrong, because that's insane. If people are expected to pay the full value of an item to get it repaired, then why not just vendor it and buy a new item? Again, I'm assuming that was probably worded wrong or I'm misinterpreting what you said, right?


no im not asking for people to pay THAT much
and there are very very few items that cost more to repair then they cost to buy(needles for instance)

dont see where you got how you are interpreting it from, how much an item cost means nothing, im talking about the cost of the repair materials themselves
for instance, wing glue cost 5-7k still, but people offering 1k for repairs on items taking wing glue....thats what im aiming at with alot of what im saying
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Vedis wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
I'm not disputing your main point, that crafters should be properly compensated for their time, but:

Vedis wrote:
crafters should at bare minimum be paid what the item is worth(im sorry, but im not repairing your brand for 100 friggin gil) and should be tipped on top of it.


I read this as saying that you expect someone to offer the same amount that they paid for a new item to get that same item repaired? For example, if it costs 15k to buy an item, you expect the person to pay 15k to have it repaired? I hope I'm reading that wrong, because that's insane. If people are expected to pay the full value of an item to get it repaired, then why not just vendor it and buy a new item? Again, I'm assuming that was probably worded wrong or I'm misinterpreting what you said, right?


no im not asking for people to pay THAT much
and there are very very few items that cost more to repair then they cost to buy(needles for instance)

dont see where you got how you are interpreting it from, how much an item cost means nothing, im talking about the cost of the repair materials themselves
for instance, wing glue cost 5-7k still, but people offering 1k for repairs on items taking wing glue....thats what im aiming at with alot of what im saying


I read "crafters should at bare minimum be paid what the item is worth" and interpreted "what the item is worth" as "How much it cost them to buy the item". It you're saying "What the materials are worth" then that makes more sense.
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Vedis wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
I'm not disputing your main point, that crafters should be properly compensated for their time, but:

Vedis wrote:
crafters should at bare minimum be paid what the item is worth(im sorry, but im not repairing your brand for 100 friggin gil) and should be tipped on top of it.


I read this as saying that you expect someone to offer the same amount that they paid for a new item to get that same item repaired? For example, if it costs 15k to buy an item, you expect the person to pay 15k to have it repaired? I hope I'm reading that wrong, because that's insane. If people are expected to pay the full value of an item to get it repaired, then why not just vendor it and buy a new item? Again, I'm assuming that was probably worded wrong or I'm misinterpreting what you said, right?


no im not asking for people to pay THAT much
and there are very very few items that cost more to repair then they cost to buy(needles for instance)

dont see where you got how you are interpreting it from, how much an item cost means nothing, im talking about the cost of the repair materials themselves
for instance, wing glue cost 5-7k still, but people offering 1k for repairs on items taking wing glue....thats what im aiming at with alot of what im saying


I read "crafters should at bare minimum be paid what the item is worth" and interpreted "what the item is worth" as "How much it cost them to buy the item". It you're saying "What the materials are worth" then that makes more sense.


yeah ok i misworded that

trying to type in being crafting and behest here without failing anything so tend to misswrite words lol
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Vedis wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Vedis wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
I'm not disputing your main point, that crafters should be properly compensated for their time, but:

Vedis wrote:
crafters should at bare minimum be paid what the item is worth(im sorry, but im not repairing your brand for 100 friggin gil) and should be tipped on top of it.


I read this as saying that you expect someone to offer the same amount that they paid for a new item to get that same item repaired? For example, if it costs 15k to buy an item, you expect the person to pay 15k to have it repaired? I hope I'm reading that wrong, because that's insane. If people are expected to pay the full value of an item to get it repaired, then why not just vendor it and buy a new item? Again, I'm assuming that was probably worded wrong or I'm misinterpreting what you said, right?


no im not asking for people to pay THAT much
and there are very very few items that cost more to repair then they cost to buy(needles for instance)

dont see where you got how you are interpreting it from, how much an item cost means nothing, im talking about the cost of the repair materials themselves
for instance, wing glue cost 5-7k still, but people offering 1k for repairs on items taking wing glue....thats what im aiming at with alot of what im saying


I read "crafters should at bare minimum be paid what the item is worth" and interpreted "what the item is worth" as "How much it cost them to buy the item". It you're saying "What the materials are worth" then that makes more sense.


yeah ok i misworded that

trying to type in being crafting and behest here without failing anything so tend to misswrite words lol


Yeah, that's totally reasonable. If the mats to repair the item cost 5k and the person is offering 3k to have the item repaired then they're an idiot.
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#34 Jan 24 2011 at 9:49 AM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Vedis wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Vedis wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
I'm not disputing your main point, that crafters should be properly compensated for their time, but:

Vedis wrote:
crafters should at bare minimum be paid what the item is worth(im sorry, but im not repairing your brand for 100 friggin gil) and should be tipped on top of it.


I read this as saying that you expect someone to offer the same amount that they paid for a new item to get that same item repaired? For example, if it costs 15k to buy an item, you expect the person to pay 15k to have it repaired? I hope I'm reading that wrong, because that's insane. If people are expected to pay the full value of an item to get it repaired, then why not just vendor it and buy a new item? Again, I'm assuming that was probably worded wrong or I'm misinterpreting what you said, right?


no im not asking for people to pay THAT much
and there are very very few items that cost more to repair then they cost to buy(needles for instance)

dont see where you got how you are interpreting it from, how much an item cost means nothing, im talking about the cost of the repair materials themselves
for instance, wing glue cost 5-7k still, but people offering 1k for repairs on items taking wing glue....thats what im aiming at with alot of what im saying


I read "crafters should at bare minimum be paid what the item is worth" and interpreted "what the item is worth" as "How much it cost them to buy the item". It you're saying "What the materials are worth" then that makes more sense.


yeah ok i misworded that

trying to type in being crafting and behest here without failing anything so tend to misswrite words lol


Yeah, that's totally reasonable. If the mats to repair the item cost 5k and the person is offering 3k to have the item repaired then they're an idiot.


exactly

the most underpriced item i see for instance, buffalo leather specth repairs

1 buffalo hide = 20k gil
makes 4 leathers, which in turn make 24 spetches total
cost of shards = 10k-15k more gil

so what we get is about a 1500 gil cost per spetch to the crafter
yet MOST people only want to give you 1k for buffalo repairs, if even that....and even at 2k its not really worth it to offer "hundreds" of gil as a tip


sad part is, its the people who want the repairs jacking up the prices of the hides, its so bad ive started to see them going for 30k in the wards now....which is hilarious when they cost 24k from vendors!

Edited, Jan 24th 2011 7:50am by Vedis
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#35 Jan 24 2011 at 10:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Vedis wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Vedis wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Vedis wrote:
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
I'm not disputing your main point, that crafters should be properly compensated for their time, but:

Vedis wrote:
crafters should at bare minimum be paid what the item is worth(im sorry, but im not repairing your brand for 100 friggin gil) and should be tipped on top of it.


I read this as saying that you expect someone to offer the same amount that they paid for a new item to get that same item repaired? For example, if it costs 15k to buy an item, you expect the person to pay 15k to have it repaired? I hope I'm reading that wrong, because that's insane. If people are expected to pay the full value of an item to get it repaired, then why not just vendor it and buy a new item? Again, I'm assuming that was probably worded wrong or I'm misinterpreting what you said, right?


no im not asking for people to pay THAT much
and there are very very few items that cost more to repair then they cost to buy(needles for instance)

dont see where you got how you are interpreting it from, how much an item cost means nothing, im talking about the cost of the repair materials themselves
for instance, wing glue cost 5-7k still, but people offering 1k for repairs on items taking wing glue....thats what im aiming at with alot of what im saying


I read "crafters should at bare minimum be paid what the item is worth" and interpreted "what the item is worth" as "How much it cost them to buy the item". It you're saying "What the materials are worth" then that makes more sense.


yeah ok i misworded that

trying to type in being crafting and behest here without failing anything so tend to misswrite words lol


Yeah, that's totally reasonable. If the mats to repair the item cost 5k and the person is offering 3k to have the item repaired then they're an idiot.


exactly

the most underpriced item i see for instance, buffalo leather specth repairs

1 buffalo hide = 20k gil
makes 4 leathers, which in turn make 24 spetches total
cost of shards = 10k-15k more gil

so what we get is about a 1500 gil cost per spetch to the crafter
yet MOST people only want to give you 1k for buffalo repairs, if even that....and even at 2k its not really worth it to offer "hundreds" of gil as a tip


sad part is, its the people who want the repairs jacking up the prices of the hides, its so bad ive started to see them going for 30k in the wards now....which is hilarious when they cost 24k from vendors!

Edited, Jan 24th 2011 7:50am by Vedis


I remember the old days where people who farmed slime oil were jacking up prices so that they could afford silent oil, and complaining that silent oil kept going up so they had to keep raising their prices Smiley: lol
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#36 Jan 24 2011 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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It's really hard to have a set pricing system for repairs for a number of reasons:

(1) Every repair mat is different. Some mats are available at NPC vendors. Others are straight up world drops. Other repairs mats require some preliminary synthesis just to make the repair mat.

(2) Gear rank and required repair mat aren't always "in-line" with each other. Some gear has a low optimal rank (e.g. frayed cotton doublet @ rank 10) but requires high level repair mats (e.g. velveteen fent required to repair the aforementioned doublet).

(3) Basic supply and demand laws have a dramatic affect on market price. If you have some high level gear and there are only a handful of people on your server that have the required high level DoH job to repair it, throw logic out the window ><

Generally speaking, you just have to use some common sense. Consider the "cost" of the repair mat (be it gil cost from NPC vendor, or time cost associated with farming the repair mat, or time cost associated with synthesizing the repair mat). Give some consideration to optimal rank of the equipment to be repaired, and give some consideration to the required rank of the repairing DoH class. Don't forget about the RNG that controls everything, and the ever present element of chance in any syntehsis action (including repairs).

At the high end, people will debate ad nauseum what's a fair vig on repairs. Whether you should be offering 10k or 12k for a particular repair is open for debate. However, there is no debating that you are cheap if you offer 3k for a repair that "costs" 10k-12k.

There are a lot of people out there that still put up an insultingly low amount of gil as a reward for repairs. Whenever I try to explain to people why that's not really a fair offer, the response is always the same: "I've had it repaired for [insert way too cheap price here] before, why should I offer more?". And that's a valid point. If the community keeps repairing equipment at a loss, why would anyone throw away more gil on repairs?

I personally refuse to even consider doing any repairs for anything less than 5k. Even if you are offering 2k or 3k for a particular repair and I have extra repair mats that I'm about to vendor, I just won't bother. Call me lazy, call me selfish, call me other choice names, it's just a diminishing return on my investment of time and clicks. But that's just me, and there are apparently plenty of crafters out there who are apparently repairing gear for peanuts.
#37 Jan 24 2011 at 11:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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I am one of those that will repair most items that I can. If someone is offering 1K for a buffalo leather specht I won't unless it is >1600 gil. That's the price to buy the mat from a vendor. Buffalo is too rare (and useful) to waste making specht's so unless they are offering a fair price I just pass it up. The other night i was repairing things for a player and he kept adding other items to be repaired. The only ones I didn't repair were either too high for me or, they were offering too little gil. I don't mind helping someone out but, at least offer more than the mat costs. Oh and if u are offering a mat as a rewards, forget it. Unless you're offering two of the material.

Edited, Jan 24th 2011 12:08pm by NoNametsu
#38 Jan 24 2011 at 11:37 AM Rating: Good
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I generally offer 5-6k for repairs. It seems to work and my stuff gets repaired pretty quickly, which I've taken to mean that my offer must have been acceptable.

Not having done much crafting myself I'm often ignorant of the price/complexity of manufacture of the repair materials. Hopefully, once I've levelled a few crafting jobs myself I'll become a bit more aware of this!
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#39 Jan 24 2011 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
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the majority of my stuff i craft/repair myself so.... i always make sure i pay myself enough.


but yeah... if by chance i cant repair it i start at 1k and just keep incresing the price till it gets repaired
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When I need a repair I usually give the Repair Mat as an Award. Is there a way to give the repair mat plus give a tip? It takes up double the space in your Bazzar to do it this way, but I usually get my gear repaired fast. I repair alot of Goldsmith stuff and it's true that most people want it repaired for 500gil, so I shout at them that the price of "Silver Nuggets" has gone up, lol. I will not repair anything that I will lose money on that's for sure, but at the same time I don't charge a ludicrous price.
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#41 Jan 24 2011 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
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To all the non-crafters:
5K for most repairs is fair. Crafters are in business to make gil. If you're buying an item for 50K that only cost 10K to make, why do you have a problem paying 5K for a repair that'll make your item brand new again?
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Eadieni wrote:
Vedis wrote:
The first thing I must say in my ever evolving prices i accept for repairs

is NOTHING below 3k, period. i dont care how cheap the material is, if you cant be bothered to pay at least 3k per piece, you dont need repairs.
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people are so **** stingy about their money in this game when it comes to repairs, like they are so broke they can never afford them, last week i saw alot of good prices up, but this week.....

ive cheked well over 100 people all weekend, ALL of them had everything up for 1-500 gil tops. it ****** me off to no end.
And if you say something to them, they go balistic and act all offended....

It's probably because while -you- won't accept those prices, hundreds of other crafters do.
If you refuse to repair for those prices, don't do it.

Why should they raise their amount just because you refuse to do it when if they wait a few seconds another crafter will run along and repair for 500g?

They aren't seeking repairs to help -you- they are seeking repairs to help themselves, and you are volunteering a repair service.

People offering high $$ are either being generous to crafters, or they are trying to get it repaired faster.

Keep in mind that most crafters who walk around doing repairs seem to pay no mind to the amount of gil in the bazaar.


Keep in mind that you dont have any crafts high enough to repair "valuable" stuff regularly and so how do you know what crafters pay attention to? Right, you got no clue.

I check Menders Ward everytime I get into a city the first time of the day, I check many people seeking for repairs to see if they have anything I can repair for them. And if they offer 1k or less, no matter what it is, it's not worth the expense of my repair items.

And as others already said...people who offer 500gil for stuff they want repaired...you can usually see the same people looking for repairs days later, so crafters do pay attention to what is offered for repairs.
Why do you feel the need to comment on pretty much any topic, even if you are not even nearly involved? You don't craft, you got no clue about how crafters work(as your post shows it)...so stop talking about stuff you don't know.

Edited, Jan 24th 2011 11:05pm by Shezard
#43 Jan 24 2011 at 5:14 PM Rating: Good
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Shezard wrote:
Eadieni wrote:
Vedis wrote:
The first thing I must say in my ever evolving prices i accept for repairs

is NOTHING below 3k, period. i dont care how cheap the material is, if you cant be bothered to pay at least 3k per piece, you dont need repairs.
'

people are so **** stingy about their money in this game when it comes to repairs, like they are so broke they can never afford them, last week i saw alot of good prices up, but this week.....

ive cheked well over 100 people all weekend, ALL of them had everything up for 1-500 gil tops. it ****** me off to no end.
And if you say something to them, they go balistic and act all offended....

It's probably because while -you- won't accept those prices, hundreds of other crafters do.
If you refuse to repair for those prices, don't do it.

Why should they raise their amount just because you refuse to do it when if they wait a few seconds another crafter will run along and repair for 500g?

They aren't seeking repairs to help -you- they are seeking repairs to help themselves, and you are volunteering a repair service.

People offering high $$ are either being generous to crafters, or they are trying to get it repaired faster.

Keep in mind that most crafters who walk around doing repairs seem to pay no mind to the amount of gil in the bazaar.


Keep in mind that you dont have any crafts high enough to repair "valuable" stuff regularly and so how do you know what crafters pay attention to? Right, you got no clue.

I check Menders Ward everytime I get into a city the first time of the day, I check many people seeking for repairs to see if they have anything I can repair for them. And if they offer 1k or less, no matter what it is, it's not worth the expense of my repair items.

And as others already said...people who offer 500gil for stuff they want repaired...you can usually see the same people looking for repairs days later, so crafters do pay attention to what is offered for repairs.
Why do you feel the need to comment on pretty much any topic, even if you are not even nearly involved? You don't craft, you got no clue about how crafters work(as your post shows it)...so stop talking about stuff you don't know.

Edited, Jan 24th 2011 11:05pm by Shezard


so you obviously see what i see too

in LL on beseid theres are 3 people who havew been outside the market for 3 weeks who have had the SAME repairs up for 500gil.....always up, never repaired, i wonmder why if people dont care about price
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