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#1 Jan 24 2011 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
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{Hello!} thanks for your time!

Issue: I am using the most recent version of Nvidia drivers (260.99) and I am seeing 0 improvement with SLI470s. As a matter of fact I believe it has hurt the performance. I have had to turn of DoF since activating it and am still seeing stuttering. Never Hit 60 FPS and average 30 or less. According to MSI afterburner they are both running in the 90s although they frequently dip to 50s. I am hoping that some one can point me in the direction of optimization or tell me that my issue is common and to return one card . I do play in full screen.

PC Stats
CPU AMD 955 BE OC to 3.8
CPU Cooling Thermaltake Frio cooler
MOBO MSI NF750-G55
RAM 4gb Patriot 1333 7*7*7*20
GPU Asus 470GTXx2 SLI
#2 Jan 24 2011 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
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260.99 isn't recent.

It's up to 266.45 right now or something. I stopped keeping track after I got 265.90 because these are the best for my two setups.
#3 Jan 24 2011 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
1, you're running SLI on an AMD board... they often don't play nice together.... even worse it's an nForce board... they tend to run hot, and I would think that the chipset heat isn't helping your 470s out at all.

2, sounds like your settings are too high? I have 2x MSI 470's and can play the game in full screen with max settings with AO turned off, but it just doesn't net consistant 60fps.

I currently play windowed @1680x1050 with more or less everything set to standard or high, DoF on, AO off, 4x AA (I can do 16 but no point really in this game you don't notice it too bad compared to the performance hit), shadows on very high (I can't stand the lower quality shadows). Any way 0 problems what so ever. Maybe the occassional dip below 40fps but usually I stick around 60.

I changed my setup again so my cards are sitting on top of eachother. After changing the TIM the top card hangs out in the high 70s and high 80s except on plants it will try to hit 100. The bottom card rearely goes above 65.

When they were separated I could run higher settings and both cards generally stayed under 75ish C with fluctuations either direction. I'm going off memory as I lost my temp and fps logs that I'd been making everytime there was a new driver or a patch for the game.

*EDIT* Good catch above, yes there are more current drivers. I think the one's you mentioned in OP didn't even have the SLI fix for XIV?

Edited, Jan 24th 2011 8:34pm by PerrinofSylph
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#4 Jan 24 2011 at 2:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I may have been wrong on Drivers as I am posting from work but there are new ones from the 18th that I do not have. Thank you!!

In terms of the mobo it is my understanding that the only way to SLI with AMD is to have an Nforce board. Would it be possible to tell me what specific drivers you are currently using as well as your current settings in their entirety for ffxiv?

Again thank you both

Edited, Jan 24th 2011 3:54pm by AstallGH
#5 Jan 24 2011 at 2:56 PM Rating: Decent
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PerrinofSylph, ****** Superhero wrote:
4x AA (I can do 16 but no point really in this game you don't notice it too bad compared to the performance hit)

Since you've got an NVIDIA card, you should do 16xCSAA. It's a noticeable improvement, plus the performance hit is only 2-4 FPS on the low end. About the same as normal 8xAA.
#6 Jan 24 2011 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
AstallGH wrote:
In terms of the mobo it is my understanding that the only way to SLI with AMD is to have an Nforce board. Would it be possible to tell me what specific drivers you are currently using as well as your current settings in their entirety for ffxiv?

Again thank you both


I'm using the most current, though to be honest I don't notice any difference between them and the last ones... but nothing negative either. As to AMD and nForce you may be correct, I dunno. I've never really had good luck with AMD/ATI support in the past so I've been avoiding desktop setups with their parts for the last few upgrades (though my last 2 laptops had either or both brands inside and still outpreform the crap out of my most recent laptop... but that's got a GMA gpu.. pure crap).

Having said that make sure the BIOS on the nForce is current, the last board I had with an nForce chip was neglected for a long period and netted a pretty noticable FPS and overall performance increase with a current driver.

SoumaKyou wrote:
Since you've got an NVIDIA card, you should do 16xCSAA. It's a noticeable improvement, plus the performance hit is only 2-4 FPS on the low end. About the same as normal 8xAA.


It's not about the performance hit, it's about the audiable hit I suppose I should have worded that better. Fan noise for these cards running above 90c isn't pleasant. I can run the game fullscreen with everything on full and AO on and get almost 60fps everywhere... but I am not going to run the cards at 100% fanspeed. I've been looking into watercooling, but there are other purchases I would like to make in the near future and I'm quite content playing at my current mostly quiet settings.


Edited, Jan 24th 2011 9:44pm by PerrinofSylph
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#7 Jan 24 2011 at 3:53 PM Rating: Decent
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PerrinofSylph, ****** Superhero wrote:
SoumaKyou wrote:
PerrinofSylph, ****** Superhero wrote:
4x AA (I can do 16 but no point really in this game you don't notice it too bad compared to the performance hit)

Since you've got an NVIDIA card, you should do 16xCSAA. It's a noticeable improvement, plus the performance hit is only 2-4 FPS on the low end. About the same as normal 8xAA.


It's not about the performance hit, it's about the audiable hit. Fan noise for cards running above 90c isn't pleasant. I can run the game fullscreen with everything on full and AO on and get almost 60fps everywhere... but I am not going to run the cards at 100% fanspeed. I've been looking into watercooling, but there are other purchases I would like to make in the near future and I'm quite content playing at my current mostly quiet settings.

Ah I see. I'm one of those who likes to brute force my way through things. Fan gets loud, I turn up the music/sfx. Though I can never really hear anything with my headset on, and the sound isn't audible while watching movies or listening to music. Actually, I think my CPU fans are louder than my GPU fans.
#8 Jan 24 2011 at 6:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Updated drivers after a quick sweep. Still some Issues. Can you tell me what settings you are using for your SLi? I have everything at max w/o Ambient Occlusion. I suppose my thinking is I will run only 1 card if the 2nd does such minimal improvements.
#9 Jan 25 2011 at 10:10 AM Rating: Decent
My normal settings (ie long play periods and or wife is home)

Video Settings
Windowed
1680x1050
4xMSAA
Standard
Standard
Highest

Graphics
AO Off
DoF On
cutscene effects not disabled
Hardware mouse enabled
High
Highest

FRAPSing right now outside of UlDah fluctuating between 59 and 60 fps. In town or crowded camps or high vegetation areas it will dip a bit lower but never under 40ish at these settings.

Also, keep your SLI setup unless you are willing to trade across or up to a crossfire setup. Current SLI nets 70+% increase in most recent titles. Crossfire efficiency is gradually improving with each driver release from AMD but its still a ways behind in most titles.

When I'm going to be the only one home I play in fullscreen at 1920x1200 max settings and have my fans forced to a more aggressive profile. At these settings high traffic areas will net 30sh fps, but generally it stays above 50fps.

Edited, Jan 25th 2011 4:12pm by PerrinofSylph
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#10 Jan 25 2011 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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I'm curious...

PerrinofSylph, ****** Superhero wrote:
My normal settings (ie long play periods and or wife is home)

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When I'm going to be the only one home I play in fullscreen at 1920x1200 max settings and have my fans forced to a more aggressive profile. At these settings high traffic areas will net 30sh fps, but generally it stays above 50fps.


Why does having your wife home affect the settings? Noisy fans?
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#11 Jan 25 2011 at 12:17 PM Rating: Decent
Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
I'm curious...

Why does having your wife home affect the settings? Noisy fans?


Yup. I honestly don't mind the fans too much even though the computer is like 2' away from my face on desk level... when they go above 80% it's a bit much but not unbarable... However I get dirty looks when they go above 65ish% when I'm not gaming alone ^.~
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#12 Jan 25 2011 at 1:06 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah noisy fan irritates my wife almost as much as me. It's hard to read a book or something with a jet taking off in your room.
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#13 Jan 26 2011 at 9:16 AM Rating: Decent
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I get the same Wife {Emnity} on the fans as my PC is in the loft. I am now able to see some benefits after tweeking the system a bit. I have AO off, 16xaa and everything on max except drawing quality, 8/9 I believe and shadows on high not highest. Seem to run about 60-70% usage until behests where I sit at 95-99%. No more visual lag. I guess I just expected to be able to run max.
Thank you for help!
#14 Jan 26 2011 at 9:51 AM Rating: Good
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You are running a 64bit OS?

I know silly question, but I have troubleshoot a relative's system that performance died due to the way windows 7 32 was splitting up the memory pool.
#15 Jan 26 2011 at 10:03 AM Rating: Decent
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PerrinofSylph, ****** Superhero wrote:
It's not about the performance hit, it's about the audiable hit I suppose I should have worded that better.

Actually, now that I think about it, 16xCSAA shouldn't increase your fan speed that much, especially since you're already using 4xAA. 8xCSAA and 16xCSAA are both around the same stress level as 4xAA on a card, considering CSAA is just 4xAA with more coverage samples, which is why most NVIDIA owners (myself included) consider the vast visual improvement of having 16xCSAA well worth it over 2x or 4xAA for minimal added GPU stress. You could even try 8xCSAA for a noticeable improvement but less risk of higher fan speeds.

Edited, Jan 26th 2011 11:08am by SoumaKyou
#16 Jan 26 2011 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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AMD CPU, MSI motherboard, Patriot ram, and 2 gtx470?
Theres your problem.
Did you build this computer? The parts don't flow.
Is that sli ram? I dont have time to google it.

solution:
Sell one of the gtx470. Buy a intel cpu and a mother board to match. That will get you started.

computer- core2duo, win7 64bit, gtx460, built correct. 40-58 fps

#17 Jan 26 2011 at 4:45 PM Rating: Decent
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pinktacoman wrote:
AMD CPU, MSI motherboard, Patriot ram, and 2 gtx470?
Theres your problem.
Did you build this computer? The parts don't flow.
Is that sli ram? I dont have time to google it.

solution:
Sell one of the gtx470. Buy a intel cpu and a mother board to match. That will get you started.

computer- core2duo, win7 64bit, gtx460, built correct. 40-58 fps



Not so much. Intel is not where I want to go so that can not be the only option. All sli cert. memory means is that it works well in sli certified boards, although other sets can work more or as well as these. The rig works great in other benchmarks as well as games.
#18 Jan 26 2011 at 4:46 PM Rating: Decent
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nyopo wrote:
You are running a 64bit OS?

I know silly question, but I have troubleshoot a relative's system that performance died due to the way windows 7 32 was splitting up the memory pool.



Yes sir, I am running win7 64 Bit, ultimate.
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