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#1 Jan 31 2011 at 6:15 PM Rating: Default
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Hey guys, ive only posted maybe once or twice here, but ive been a member for a few months and ive been keeping up with the forums enough to see what kind of state this game is in. I was anticipaiting this game so much, i was a huge fan of ffxi played it for many years. I really think this game is going to get better and with that being said I really want to buy it now, the only problem is: Is it worth buying a new cpu just to play this game? I use a laptop, ive been intrested in getting a desktop but i wouldnt spend more than $700 building it . I dont want to wait until ps3 version comes out because who knows when that even will be. I really dont want to end up spending around $750 just to realize i dont like this game, but theres something in me that is telling me I will enjoy it and to go out and get it anyway. I just want to know what you guys think about the sitution. i miss playing ffxi, but i want something new so i think im going to do it.
#2 Jan 31 2011 at 6:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just for this game I would definitely have to say no.
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People on here could prolly help you build a good rig for $700 american (if you are in the states).

Worse case scenario - if you don't like the game, you have a decent computer you can use to try something else.
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#4 Jan 31 2011 at 6:26 PM Rating: Good
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Yea ive already picked out a build and spoke with someone about it, Ive never played games on a computer other than ffxi, but might try it out. I really need to buy a desktop anyways, this laptop isnt even mine.
#5 Jan 31 2011 at 6:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd be happy to help you spec out a build. $700-$750 is semi reasonable to work with, and depending on any parts you may already have (Operating System, Hard Drive, DVD drive, case) that you would want to re-use, that can save you some money. Of course if you want to build all new from scratch, that's fine too.

Prices are all from newegg and current as of this post

XFX Radeon 5770 Juniper XT - $140 (Regular $160, on sale)
Antec EarthWatts 650W Power Supply - $65 (Regular $100, on sale)
ASUS M4A79XTD EVO and AMD Phenom II X4 965 Combo - $249 ($165 * $99 seperately, $15 off when bought as a combo)
G.Skill Ripjaws 4 GB (2x2) DDR3 PC1600 RAM - $50
7200 RPM SATA 1 TB Hard Drive - $70 (Roughly; more or less depending on manufacturer and model)
Windows 7 Home Premium OEM - $100
DVD-RW Drive - $20

Total for all of this (does not include case, monitor, keyboard, mouse) is $694.

Case can be anything from $20 up to several hundred depending on what you want it to look like. $40-60 is a good average.

I assume you already have a monitor, keyboard, and mouse.

Again, if you want to re-use a Hard Drive or Optical drive that you already have, that will drop a little bit off. If you already have a copy of Windows to use, that will shave $100 off as well.

As for the overall situation, even if you decide you don't like XIV, you still have a good system that can run nearly any game you throw at it at pretty high settings.

If the above is too much and you want to step down, I would suggest the Radeon 5750 and perhaps a Phenom II 925 (instead of the 965) and compatible motherboard. I didn't see any combo deals on any Phenom II X4 CPUs that were less expensive than the one I liked; the rest of the AMD combo options were only dual core, and would not suggesting purchasing a dual core if you're buying a new computer; it would be one thing if you already had one, but I wouldn't suggest buying one brand new.

Edited, Jan 31st 2011 7:52pm by Mikhalia
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#6 Jan 31 2011 at 7:01 PM Rating: Good
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another option out there is to buy a pre-made gaming pc. a lot of people will say it's snot worth it and to some extent it is not but i recently bought an ibuypower from tiger-direct.com and i am very happy with it. its easy to find on their website its the one with a red front on the case. it has a phenom II x4 965 but only a radeon 5670 video card. i run the game on medium to medium-high settings and get 45-55 fps so that's fine for me. right now it is listed for $716 i think so about the same price as the parts mikhalia posted and comes with the case and keyboard/mouse and already made. this is just my opinion and i will say right up front i do not know much at all about pc's but i am very happy with this system so far, even though i am already looking into upgrading the video card and maybe cpu but it is not necessary at all more of a new found hobby since im slowly learning about pc's.
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another option out there is to buy a pre-made gaming pc. a lot of people will say it's snot worth it and to some extent it is not but i recently bought an ibuypower from tiger-direct.com and i am very happy with it. its easy to find on their website its the one with a red front on the case. it has a phenom II x4 965 but only a radeon 5670 video card. i run the game on medium to medium-high settings and get 45-55 fps so that's fine for me. right now it is listed for $716 i think so about the same price as the parts mikhalia posted and comes with the case and keyboard/mouse and already made. this is just my opinion and i will say right up front i do not know much at all about pc's but i am very happy with this system so far, even though i am already looking into upgrading the video card and maybe cpu but it is not necessary at all more of a new found hobby since im slowly learning about pc's.


If you aren't interested in building your own, then a website like cyberpower or ibuypower is a good place to purchase from. You'll pay a little bit more, but not nearly the markup that a more common manufacturer like Dell/Gateway/HP would charge, and you have more control over parts and a better selection.

A prefab system (one you would buy in a store, for example) is the least optimal route for a gaming system, due to the fat that they tend to cut costs by using cheaper, lower end power supplies, motherboards, and RAM, coupled with a subpar GPU. Most of their websites have options to configure your own system, but even the upgrades they offer through this route will still cost way more than they're actually worth. That's how the company makes money obviously; buy cheap parts and sell them to you for as much as they can - Capitalism, Ho!

So if you're interested in building it yourself, go that roue. Otherwise, look online for a good deal at one of the sites mentioned.
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#8 Jan 31 2011 at 7:54 PM Rating: Decent
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XFX Radeon 5770 Juniper XT
or
Palit GeForce GTX 460 SE (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5

i dont no much about video cards, but I have all the other parts covered, thanks alot for everyone input by the way,

edit

i was also going to get that mb cpu combo you listed, but after reading reviews alot of people were saying they werent compatible together and they had problems. i choze these instead.
ASUS M4A88T-M/USB3 and a phenom II 955

Edited, Jan 31st 2011 9:08pm by Zeviont757
#9BushwicktheBlack, Posted: Jan 31 2011 at 8:06 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Retail is the only way to go.
#10 Jan 31 2011 at 8:06 PM Rating: Good
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i may be completely wrong here but i thought that it was different mobo's and cpu's that ran radeon and gtx cards.
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#11 Jan 31 2011 at 8:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Retail is the only way to go.

You can easily get an i5-750, 6gb ddr3 and a gtx 460 for $700 ish from HP. That will play the crap out of Final.

It is indeed worth it, listen not to these negative naysayers, always saying nay.


HP's "High Performance" options.

Best Buy's HP desktops

Best graphics card in these is a AMD (ATI) 5570 (which is very meh), and those computers are $900+.

I work at Best Buy. I have defended retail (and been Sub-Defaulted) for other reasons many times.

You are wrong.

It is ALWAYS cheaper to build your own high performance desktop. PERIOD.
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#12 Feb 01 2011 at 12:31 AM Rating: Default
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The game requirements are posted on the box and website.

I recomend a Intel based CoreI5 or CoreI7 based system with 8 gigs of ram and a 64bit Windows 7

if you want no client side lag at all i recommend a solid state harddrive.

This game sometimes taxes my quad core amd athlon II X4 620 you cant even watch a movie on another screen because the mpeg encoder struggles to get cpu slices and its choppy and often desyncs audio. Even with 8gb of ram and a Nvidia 450 1gb.

that is why i recommend a better cpu like Intel as they multitask much better.
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#13 Feb 01 2011 at 12:35 AM Rating: Decent
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also never buy retail pc's as you will be tempted to use their retail support which is always crap even best buys geek squad is garbage when you have a problem. hp dell and most others have terrible tech support if you have problems. if your not willing to backup all your data and reformat every time you call a retail pc support then you cant get help.

word to wise if you backup data and reformat 99.9% of time you wouldnt need support anyways unless some capacitor went chernobyl or hd has formed bad sectors and you now bluescreen all the time.

its usually cheaper to build them custom at a local mom n pop shop the chance of it being a lemon is about the same as retail and youll get a better warranty maybe less of a timespan on it but people who have direct knowlege are locally at your fingertips if you have problems.
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#14 Feb 01 2011 at 2:01 AM Rating: Default
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I built a pc through Dell and at the time they offered some pretty good options I paid about $900 but my specs are amd phenom 2 x4 965 8gigs of ram 500gb hdd and a nvida gtx460 1gig gpu and windows 7 64 only thing I had to do was change the power supply to a 850watt because Dell put a sub par one in it
#15 Feb 01 2011 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Zeviont757 wrote:
XFX Radeon 5770 Juniper XT
or
Palit GeForce GTX 460 SE (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5

i dont no much about video cards, but I have all the other parts covered, thanks alot for everyone input by the way,

edit

i was also going to get that mb cpu combo you listed, but after reading reviews alot of people were saying they werent compatible together and they had problems. i choze these instead.
ASUS M4A88T-M/USB3 and a phenom II 955

Edited, Jan 31st 2011 9:08pm by Zeviont757


Video card: They're relatively comparable. People would argue in favor of either one over the other but you can't go wrong between the two.

Combo: The combo I listed should be compatible but the one you mentioned is fine as well.

BushwicktheBlack wrote:
Retail is the only way to go.

You can easily get an i5-750, 6gb ddr3 and a gtx 460 for $700 ish from HP. That will play the crap out of Final.

It is indeed worth it, listen not to these negative naysayers, always saying nay.


Haha... You're pretty funny. Aside from the fact that HP uses 350-450W power supplies (say goodbye to a couple components in a year or two if you tax it and the power supply chokes), I gotta say it: Pics or it didn't happen.

elevencharle wrote:
i may be completely wrong here but i thought that it was different mobo's and cpu's that ran radeon and gtx cards.


You are semi incorrect. So long as your motherboard has a PCI-Express slot (nearly all modern motherboards do), it would fit a Radeon or a GeForce card just fine, whether your build is AMD or Intel.

The only issue would be whether your case can fit it, if the card is large and the case is small. Small form factor cases with large GPUs doesn't work well.

cornyboob wrote:
The game requirements are posted on the box and website.

I recomend a Intel based CoreI5 or CoreI7 based system with 8 gigs of ram and a 64bit Windows 7

if you want no client side lag at all i recommend a solid state harddrive.

This game sometimes taxes my quad core amd athlon II X4 620 you cant even watch a movie on another screen because the mpeg encoder struggles to get cpu slices and its choppy and often desyncs audio. Even with 8gb of ram and a Nvidia 450 1gb.

that is why i recommend a better cpu like Intel as they multitask much better.


I'm going to have to disagree with you on the 8 GB of RAM; 4-6 GB is the sweet spot right now, there isn't really a need for 8-12 GB of RAM unless you're doing video encoding or programming/compiling. More RAM isn't a -bad- thing, but it would be really underutilized.

Athlons are also AMD's mid range CPUs. For gaming, the better product is the Phenom II rather than the Athlon II. I would say that most of the i5s are comparable to most of the Phenom II CPUs, but you are right in that the high end i5s are slightly better than the Phenom II and the i7 blow Phenom II CPUs away in both performance and price. Pay more, get more.

Edited, Feb 1st 2011 9:51am by Mikhalia
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#16 Feb 01 2011 at 8:57 AM Rating: Good
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cornyboob wrote:
The game requirements are posted on the box and website.

I recomend a Intel based CoreI5 or CoreI7 based system with 8 gigs of ram and a 64bit Windows 7

if you want no client side lag at all i recommend a solid state harddrive.

This game sometimes taxes my quad core amd athlon II X4 620 you cant even watch a movie on another screen because the mpeg encoder struggles to get cpu slices and its choppy and often desyncs audio. Even with 8gb of ram and a Nvidia 450 1gb.

that is why i recommend a better cpu like Intel as they multitask much better.


i am running a phenom II x4 965 with a 5670 video card and 4gb ram i run the game just fine and can stream movies or watch youtube on second monitor with no issues im not trying to argue with you or anything since i dont know nearly enough about pc's to do that but maybe something isnt set up right on your system or you are running the game at max settings, just from what i know "and that isnt much" it seems your set up should be doing just fine.
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#17 Feb 01 2011 at 9:04 AM Rating: Good
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no point having more than 4GB for gaming as 32-bit applications will only use a MAX of 2GB so unless your heavily multi-tasking while running FFXIV not much point.

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#19 Feb 01 2011 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd suggest buying an i7 Sandy Bridge series, they are really cheap, and if you buy a mobo/cpu combo at new egg you get some decent deals.
For $500 you can get the motherboard and cpu, the ram for $80 (DDR3), a case for $50, dvd drive for nearly free at any computer store, hard drive for $60
Spend $100-200 on a graphics card, they are easy to upgrade so only spend what your comfortable with. I'd say no less than a 9800GT (or ATI equivalent).

If your going for budget get about a 550W power supply, Altex has them for about $50. A lot of cases will come with a power supply at a store like Altex. You won't be doing any SLI with this but it will run a single card of anything.

With as difficult as CPUs and Motherboards are to upgrade, save yourself some future trouble and get a decent one today. Graphics cards, and hard drives are easy to upgrade, as is ram.

The setup I listed above is about $800 and will run 14 on above average settings. Will run Crysis (not on max settings) and will give you nice startup times, good multitasking, etc.
I just built the setup I listed above for $798.99 at newegg.com for a coworker. I'll list the exact shopping cart when I get home from work so hold off on your rate downs of #s that appear to come from thin air :P

This will give you a bit of future proof, at least to have an enjoyable computer for the next 5 years, and when you want to game more, just switch out the graphics card for the (future) gtx 660 or 760
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Eadieni wrote:
I'd suggest buying an i7 Sandy Bridge series, they are really cheap, and if you buy a mobo/cpu combo at new egg you get some decent deals.
For $500 you can get the motherboard and cpu, the ram for $80 (DDR3), a case for $50, dvd drive for nearly free at any computer store, hard drive for $60
Spend $100-200 on a graphics card, they are easy to upgrade so only spend what your comfortable with. I'd say no less than a 9800GT (or ATI equivalent).

If your going for budget get about a 550W power supply, Altex has them for about $50. A lot of cases will come with a power supply at a store like Altex. You won't be doing any SLI with this but it will run a single card of anything.

With as difficult as CPUs and Motherboards are to upgrade, save yourself some future trouble and get a decent one today. Graphics cards, and hard drives are easy to upgrade, as is ram.

The setup I listed above is about $800 and will run 14 on above average settings. Will run Crysis (not on max settings) and will give you nice startup times, good multitasking, etc.
I just built the setup I listed above for $798.99 at newegg.com for a coworker. I'll list the exact shopping cart when I get home from work so hold off on your rate downs of #s that appear to come from thin air :P

This will give you a bit of future proof, at least to have an enjoyable computer for the next 5 years, and when you want to game more, just switch out the graphics card for the (future) gtx 660 or 760


Except if he wants to upgrade in the future, that 550w PSU will barely cut it for anything. For any gaming rig post 2009, I'd high suggest going with 750+. GPUs have been getting progressively larger.
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#21 Feb 01 2011 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Intel announced a recall on Sandy Bridge yesterday so wait until they roll out the silicon fix and then get one of the 2nd gen core i7s.
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bsphil wrote:
Intel announced a recall on Sandy Bridge yesterday so wait until they roll out the silicon fix and then get one of the 2nd gen core i7s.

Actually Sandy Bridge is the 2nd gen core i7.

Also, the it was the "Cougar Point" support chip of Sandy Bridge that was recalled, the ones going in the new macbook pros and imacs for example.

Not the processors.

http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2011/01/31/intel-identifies-chipset-design-error-implementing-solution

That's the report right from intel.
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#23 Feb 01 2011 at 4:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Eadieni wrote:
bsphil wrote:
Intel announced a recall on Sandy Bridge yesterday so wait until they roll out the silicon fix and then get one of the 2nd gen core i7s.
Actually Sandy Bridge is the 2nd gen core i7.
I know. And yes, it's a motherboard issue and not a processor issue. If you're NOT using SATA ports 2 through 5 you'll still be ok if you already have a Sandy Bridge processor. Basically that's one HDD and one optical drive.



Edited, Feb 1st 2011 4:48pm by bsphil
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#24 Feb 01 2011 at 6:17 PM Rating: Good
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Oh sweet mama jamma gonna build my new rig in a couple of weeks wooo!
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Well i am a computer programmer and also an Mpeg Encoder and a Movie Editor as I use FRAPS and have a pretty sweet Canon HD digital Camera.

So I always recomend no less then 8GB of ram when using 64 bit.

Mikhalia the Picky wrote:
Zeviont757 wrote:
XFX Radeon 5770 Juniper XT
or
Palit GeForce GTX 460 SE (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5

i dont no much about video cards, but I have all the other parts covered, thanks alot for everyone input by the way,

edit

i was also going to get that mb cpu combo you listed, but after reading reviews alot of people were saying they werent compatible together and they had problems. i choze these instead.
ASUS M4A88T-M/USB3 and a phenom II 955

Edited, Jan 31st 2011 9:08pm by Zeviont757


Video card: They're relatively comparable. People would argue in favor of either one over the other but you can't go wrong between the two.

Combo: The combo I listed should be compatible but the one you mentioned is fine as well.

BushwicktheBlack wrote:
Retail is the only way to go.

You can easily get an i5-750, 6gb ddr3 and a gtx 460 for $700 ish from HP. That will play the crap out of Final.

It is indeed worth it, listen not to these negative naysayers, always saying nay.


Haha... You're pretty funny. Aside from the fact that HP uses 350-450W power supplies (say goodbye to a couple components in a year or two if you tax it and the power supply chokes), I gotta say it: Pics or it didn't happen.

elevencharle wrote:
i may be completely wrong here but i thought that it was different mobo's and cpu's that ran radeon and gtx cards.


You are semi incorrect. So long as your motherboard has a PCI-Express slot (nearly all modern motherboards do), it would fit a Radeon or a GeForce card just fine, whether your build is AMD or Intel.

The only issue would be whether your case can fit it, if the card is large and the case is small. Small form factor cases with large GPUs doesn't work well.

cornyboob wrote:
The game requirements are posted on the box and website.

I recomend a Intel based CoreI5 or CoreI7 based system with 8 gigs of ram and a 64bit Windows 7

if you want no client side lag at all i recommend a solid state harddrive.

This game sometimes taxes my quad core amd athlon II X4 620 you cant even watch a movie on another screen because the mpeg encoder struggles to get cpu slices and its choppy and often desyncs audio. Even with 8gb of ram and a Nvidia 450 1gb.

that is why i recommend a better cpu like Intel as they multitask much better.


I'm going to have to disagree with you on the 8 GB of RAM; 4-6 GB is the sweet spot right now, there isn't really a need for 8-12 GB of RAM unless you're doing video encoding or programming/compiling. More RAM isn't a -bad- thing, but it would be really underutilized.

Athlons are also AMD's mid range CPUs. For gaming, the better product is the Phenom II rather than the Athlon II. I would say that most of the i5s are comparable to most of the Phenom II CPUs, but you are right in that the high end i5s are slightly better than the Phenom II and the i7 blow Phenom II CPUs away in both performance and price. Pay more, get more.

Edited, Feb 1st 2011 9:51am by Mikhalia

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#26 Feb 01 2011 at 11:28 PM Rating: Default
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Well the cpu that you lsited is alot better then the CPU that i use. So it would perform better then mine.

I was mearly stating that the CPU i have though good is just barely good enough to play this game. Why i recomended getting something better.


elevencharle wrote:
cornyboob wrote:
The game requirements are posted on the box and website.

I recomend a Intel based CoreI5 or CoreI7 based system with 8 gigs of ram and a 64bit Windows 7

if you want no client side lag at all i recommend a solid state harddrive.

This game sometimes taxes my quad core amd athlon II X4 620 you cant even watch a movie on another screen because the mpeg encoder struggles to get cpu slices and its choppy and often desyncs audio. Even with 8gb of ram and a Nvidia 450 1gb.

that is why i recommend a better cpu like Intel as they multitask much better.


i am running a phenom II x4 965 with a 5670 video card and 4gb ram i run the game just fine and can stream movies or watch youtube on second monitor with no issues im not trying to argue with you or anything since i dont know nearly enough about pc's to do that but maybe something isnt set up right on your system or you are running the game at max settings, just from what i know "and that isnt much" it seems your set up should be doing just fine.

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#27 Feb 01 2011 at 11:46 PM Rating: Good
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cornyboob wrote:
Well i am a computer programmer and also an Mpeg Encoder and a Movie Editor as I use FRAPS and have a pretty sweet Canon HD digital Camera.

So I always recomend no less then 8GB of ram when using 64 bit.


In your specific case, then yes. Go for 8 GB of RAM.

For most people, 4-6 will be fine for the nest 2-3 years.
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